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Hang 10
Footballguy
So...
Got my MRI results back and there's no structural issues. I have tendonitis (achilles and tibial). With that knowledge, I decided to jump on the treadmill last night and see how it felt. 20 minutes...no pain. I started to get a crazy idea...#### it maybe I'll just run this marathon Saturday if I can run 5 miles tomorrow without pain. Well, I ran 5.5 today and at worst it was only mildly uncomfortable. Better than it's been in a month. Now I'm sweating what to do.
ANYWAY...how crazy would it be for me to run this thing Saturday?? Hell, I've already canceled my hotel so I'd either have to drive up (2 hour drive) in the morning or try to find a last minute place to crash. THOUGHTS???
TIA
Got my MRI results back and there's no structural issues. I have tendonitis (achilles and tibial). With that knowledge, I decided to jump on the treadmill last night and see how it felt. 20 minutes...no pain. I started to get a crazy idea...#### it maybe I'll just run this marathon Saturday if I can run 5 miles tomorrow without pain. Well, I ran 5.5 today and at worst it was only mildly uncomfortable. Better than it's been in a month. Now I'm sweating what to do.
ANYWAY...how crazy would it be for me to run this thing Saturday?? Hell, I've already canceled my hotel so I'd either have to drive up (2 hour drive) in the morning or try to find a last minute place to crash. THOUGHTS???
TIA
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Hang 10
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think you just answered your own question. Go for broke!
Aggravate the tendonitis. Crash and burn. DNF.
El Floppo
Footballguy
exactly- there is no down-side.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I guess I should have expected everyone here to just say, "go for it".
Wondering if anyone has any anecdotes of people that have almost exclusively cross trained because of injury before a marathon and still performed well. @SteveC702 You know anyone?
Part of my apprehension is not just because of the injury but at this point I'm not sure what's realistic either.
Wondering if anyone has any anecdotes of people that have almost exclusively cross trained because of injury before a marathon and still performed well. @SteveC702 You know anyone?
Part of my apprehension is not just because of the injury but at this point I'm not sure what's realistic either.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Do. Worst case scenario is you don't finish and have to bow out. But as least you will know.Hang 10 said:
Best case scenario is you'll probably run a 2:58 marathon and prove once and for all you are one bad mother-####er.
Edit to add: and great news on the MRI.
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Hang 10
Footballguy
I've run a few short runs in the past 2 weeks but the last time I really ran was doing 18 miles on 10/23.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
dunno... I'm an outsider in here and don't really know your story/intent with the race.
you asked about anecdotes... I did my one and only full IM on a broken foot- but I knew a few months before what was going on and had to make the switch in expectations and training from "racing" to "finishing"- especially because I knew I was proposing at the end. as a upper elite mid-packer with some modest goals, not "racing" sucked- but so did doing it all on a broken foot. and getting married. dammit all to hell.
Nigel
Footballguy
I have an MRI tomorrow. Based on symptoms and the ortho exam pretty sure I have a meniscus tear severe enough that it will warrant surgery. I'm hoing so, recovery should be quick enough that I'd be back running in 4 - 6 weeks. The way it is now with the lack of progress for 3+ months I feel like it's the only path to running any time soon.
Also getting a cortisone shot in my shoulder on Monday. Was sure I had a torn rotator cuff but doc thinks it might be something called frozen shoulder, a condition popular with diabetics and old women...getting old sucks!
Also getting a cortisone shot in my shoulder on Monday. Was sure I had a torn rotator cuff but doc thinks it might be something called frozen shoulder, a condition popular with diabetics and old women...getting old sucks!
mr. furley
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
I'm not sure I could run it without still trying to get after it. That's what I'm trying to figure out though. Am I still capable of coming close to my goal?
MAC_32
Footballguy
I am becoming a smarter runner, but I've still got a ways to go. I was a much dumber runner in 2003 than 2012 when I first stumbled in here, when I was clearly a dumb runner then. So I didn't know how to train properly when I ran Chicago 13 years ago, but I got shin splints 3 weeks out and ran about as much as you have lately (and cross trained much less)...and was absolutely fine for 20 miles.
The likelihood of you qualifying is certainly less now than it was 3 weeks ago, but given your training performances it's still a possibility. With very little if any long term (or even short term) risk I'd say the potential reward is worth it. Worst case, you need to shut it down until after Thanksgiving. Eat, drink, and be merry in the meantime.
Hang 10
Footballguy
He's got as much knowledge of the sport as he does ability. Not asking if it's ever happened to him but I bet he knows someone.
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MAC_32
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I can't tell you about your goal... but even with a couple months of psychological preparation to not go as fast as I knew I could... I still went as fast as I thought I could- until the foot shut things down and I ended up walking a bunch of the second half of marathon. kona was always a reach- even fully healthy- at a certain point it was just about finishing under a certain hour mark and making sure I didn't lose the ring while doing it.
sounds like you should just go for it, and make sure you're prepped with some painkillers in advance. you can always dnf or just gut out the finish as best you can if you the pain becomes too much.
It depends on how long you were cross-training beforehand and if you are actually sufficiently healed. (and later part only you really know, and you don't really know until you are 20 miles or so into the race). I have done this twice, and it didn't work out particularly well either time.
The first time was my first marathon where I was forced to cross train from 28 days out up until the week before with a foot injury. Then 8 days before the race I did a short run (probably similar to your 20 minute run) and felt good, so I went out and did 2x3 miles at 6:00-6:05 pace the next day. I also did a 5-mile tempo run about 4 days out from the race and a 6-miler the day before. (I was young and apparently an even bigger idiot than I am now). I started the race with a goal of running under 3 hours, but by 5-6 miles my 6:45-6:50s turned into 6:20s and I rolled with it up until about halfway when my foot (same injury that forced me into cross training a few weeks earlier) started hurting. I still averaged 6:40/mi through 20 miles before the wheels completely came off and I jogged/walked a 54ish last 10K for a 3:07.
The second time I tried something like this was Boston in 2013. The deck was stacked even more heavily against me because I still wasn't healed. I popped about 2-3 ibuprofen pills an hour before the race and off I went. I was okay up until about halfway (1:17) and then everything started tightening up due to changing my form to compensate for my injury. I walked/ran the last 10K again.
The only case really famous case I know where somebody pulled this off was Carloes Lopes who won the 1984 LA Olympic Marathon after supposedly not taking a step for at least a week leading up to his race because he got hit by a car 7-10 days out from the race. Nobody really knows how serious his injury was though, and his training was pretty much done anyways and he just missed out on the last week or so of his taper. I actually had a similar case to his where I mysteriously jammed my hip/glutes 5 days before Rock n Roll Arizona in 2012 and couldn't even jog for 3-5 minute without excruciating pain until about 24 hours before the race (and I could still feel it jogging around a 9-minute mile pace the day before). I started the race with the intention of dropping out if things ever got bad and ended up finishing with a 5-minute PR in 2:37. However, I didn't have to cross-train much before this instance either since my mysterious injury came on the week of the race and seemed to have gone away just in time.
My only advice if you want to do this is:
1. You are probably still in decent shape if you have cross-trained seriously, but you absolutely want to start at the slowest end of your goal pace range.
2. If your injury has healed sufficiently, your legs are likely going to feel better and more fresh than you usually do for a race - even one when you have fully tapered - due to the fact that you haven't run very much. Don't let this fool you into picking up the pace too early, wait until 20 miles or so at the earliest.
3. Have backup (drop out) plans ready - even if it's just carrying a credit card of some $$$. If you injury starts rearing its head and all your time goals have gone out the window, do not finish. I ended up not being able to run pain free for about 3-4 months after both cases I cited above, definitely not worth it.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Hang 10 - I've been fighting some issues over the past few months ...probably Achilles tendonitis and a lot of pain on the back of my right heel. At best, I was running 3x a week. But I did slip in a HM a month ago, and two weeks after that did the 5K/10K double. The point I wanted to make is that both race days went fine - once I was loosened up, I was OK to keep going. My guess is you'd be able to do the same. However, a marathon can expose any issues, so as Steve notes, you run the risk of a late blow-up ...but maybe not. I don't think the cross-training taper will be much of a hindrance at all. I'd lean toward giving it a shot and see if the great training of this whole season contributes to a great race.
Ned
Footballguy
I'll be honest......... I bit my tongue when you posted the MRI results on Strava. I really wanted to urge you to give it a shot, but didn't want to be that guy.
You're a super fit guy and have done a remarkable job with the cross training. I highly doubt you lost very much fitness over the past couple of weeks. I agree with @SteveC702 - take it out EASY and adjust accordingly. Don't be too proud to bail if it gets really painful....you already have a plan B in place.
Also.....weather is looking about damn near perfect. Right?
You're a super fit guy and have done a remarkable job with the cross training. I highly doubt you lost very much fitness over the past couple of weeks. I agree with @SteveC702 - take it out EASY and adjust accordingly. Don't be too proud to bail if it gets really painful....you already have a plan B in place.
Also.....weather is looking about damn near perfect. Right?
Ned
Footballguy
Ugh, sorry to hear. I've been wondering what you've been up to. Hope you can bounce back quickly.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Attaboy. Let us know if you have a bib number and tracking link so we can follow along.
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El Floppo
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gl Hang 10!
one of my clients just started doing tris... did a 1/2 out in san diego that was supposed to have been designed by navy seals or something. showed me video of the swim- 6-10' waves pounding in at the beach start! looked absolutely terrifying. any of you tri-guys ever have to race in conditions like that? not me.
one of my clients just started doing tris... did a 1/2 out in san diego that was supposed to have been designed by navy seals or something. showed me video of the swim- 6-10' waves pounding in at the beach start! looked absolutely terrifying. any of you tri-guys ever have to race in conditions like that? not me.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I had a friend attempt an IM in Utah years ago where the winds made the large lake choppy with impossible sight lines. They eventually went out in boats to pick people up, though I recall that one competitor did drown.
When a couple of our Bourbon Chase guys did the Cedar Point IM a couple years ago, Lake Erie was rather choppy ...strong currents and waves of maybe a foot or so. Even then, the swim was brutal, and I think a quarter of the field missed the first cut-off.
That's the bigly difference between a tri and a marathon: For tri's, "boom!," you're in it. For marathons, la-de-da, cruise for a bunch of miles and then see how well you hold up for the tough finishing miles.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I remember that Utah IM... IIRC, they bagged that location completely- no?
Escape from Alcatraz was the trickiest I did- and I did it when the swim conditions couldn't have been any better for the SF bay (grew up there, and had a healthy terror of the bay- mainly for hypothermia and strong currents).
they had tons of boats out for support, steering us within a consistent swim channel towards T1. problem was- and I should have known this from sailing/racing there a lot as a kid- the tide starts ripping along the shoreline long before it officially changes. so about a hundred yards offshore all of a sudden, the entire race pack was being dragged off course away from the desired exit from the water. fortunately, most of us made it down the shoreline a ways, clambered out of the water and ran back through the parking lot towards the St Francis yacht club. but I imagine there were some who got pushed past the end of the jetty and either swam into the harbor and wandered around the docks, or got rescued by volunteers on boats (past the harbor, nothing but piers and nowhere to climb out of the bay).
only other open ocean water race I did was Panama City Beach 1/2 IM... it was wavey at the beach, and a little chop past the break- but very mild (even though some of my club-mates mentioned getting sea-sick in the open water). nothing like the huge waves I saw on the SD video.
eta: and
at "la-de-da"
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mr. furley
Footballguy
triathlons sound fun 
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
God I miss them. I gotta get healthy by next season to get a few in. AND, everyone knows the real swim bad###es are guys that have done 5K Swims
Sand
Footballguy
That just seems to have the ring of truth to it.AND, everyone knows the real swim bad###es are guys that have done 5K Swims
Where can one find one of these athletic gods, Adonises? Ones such as these deserve to be treasured, respected, worshiped.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
I met one of them once. Fantastic guy ...all that and more. But then he kind of chunked out and, as I recall, worked himself to death.
Nigel
Footballguy
Got a call from my doc late today regarding MRI results, not good. The meniscus tear I have is a root tear, a rare type that at my age coupled with the somewhat advanced arthritis they also found is likely unfixable.
So trying to process the fact that my goal now is to find a path to walking comfortably, running days are over. :(
So trying to process the fact that my goal now is to find a path to walking comfortably, running days are over. :(
El Floppo
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
Gun went off at 7:45. Hoping when I come back from my recovery run I'll see some good 10K splits and all pain free.
ChiefD
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