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tri-man 47
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So a step-back week, but unfortunately, a set-back week, too.
One swim, but it was a decent 2,500 yards. Very tired before I even started (at 9 pm), but final laps were really smooth.
One bike, but another killer and effective workout for an hour pushing hard resistance for 1-2 minutes on the ten minute marks with a strong spin in between.
An 8 mile run back on Monday ...but I'm still feeling the pain/tightness around the lump on the back of my foot several days later, and walking carefully. I gotta see the doc and get another x-ray to see how the bone spur compares to last November. The lump is bigger than before (dammit). With the triathlon scheduled ten weeks out, I might need to be creative in my training with lunges, squats, stair masters, etc. to build the leg strength and then just work off my swim and bike cardio.
One swim, but it was a decent 2,500 yards. Very tired before I even started (at 9 pm), but final laps were really smooth.
One bike, but another killer and effective workout for an hour pushing hard resistance for 1-2 minutes on the ten minute marks with a strong spin in between.
An 8 mile run back on Monday ...but I'm still feeling the pain/tightness around the lump on the back of my foot several days later, and walking carefully. I gotta see the doc and get another x-ray to see how the bone spur compares to last November. The lump is bigger than before (dammit). With the triathlon scheduled ten weeks out, I might need to be creative in my training with lunges, squats, stair masters, etc. to build the leg strength and then just work off my swim and bike cardio.
SFBayDuck
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Ned
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bushdocda
Footballguy
I went 13.3% of BassnBrews 75 miles yesterday morning in DC. Chilly morning gave way to great run time temps sunning in upper 40s. Highlights include wake up/drive at 330 and shat at a 24 hr CVS. Probably could've fueled a little better but was off my bathroom game a bit. Was pushing for an average/mi that started with a 7 and just missed at 1:20:48. Couldn't finish the last 3 miles where I needed be to around 7:40/mi to make up for the slow 1st mile. I'll probably feel better about the effort later this week. Pleased my groin/abs thing didn't pose a problem during race.
I'll rest well this week after back to back race weekends and catch up on some sleep. Then it's 8-10 week block of strength & mobility stuff and ~20 miles/wk at MAF before I start an 18 week marathon focus on increasing mileage. Like the look of the Higdon intermediate weekly progression. If Hanson or others are suggested for first timer who hasn't crossed out of mid 20s per week, please let me know. Primary objective is to arrive to race healthy, I can hardly speculate on goal time given lack of experience but sub 4 hours is a start.
Enjoying the journey, trusting the process. Thanks for helping me be accountable, it's a big help to a lone wolf trainer like me.
I'll rest well this week after back to back race weekends and catch up on some sleep. Then it's 8-10 week block of strength & mobility stuff and ~20 miles/wk at MAF before I start an 18 week marathon focus on increasing mileage. Like the look of the Higdon intermediate weekly progression. If Hanson or others are suggested for first timer who hasn't crossed out of mid 20s per week, please let me know. Primary objective is to arrive to race healthy, I can hardly speculate on goal time given lack of experience but sub 4 hours is a start.
Enjoying the journey, trusting the process. Thanks for helping me be accountable, it's a big help to a lone wolf trainer like me.
ChiefD
Footballguy
12.2 miles yesterday to finish up a 27 mile week, which has been my longest in awhile. Legs are feeling pretty good but still tight. Half marathon this week, so still trying to figure out how to pace it. Original plan was to just treat it as a training run, so my expectations are pretty low.
Probably go out and try to at least get in under two hours. I think that is doable, but I don't think my fitness is there for even that. Either way, it's supposed to be a beautiful morning, so there should be more sports bras and shorts
this year than in years past.
Should be fun.
Probably go out and try to at least get in under two hours. I think that is doable, but I don't think my fitness is there for even that. Either way, it's supposed to be a beautiful morning, so there should be more sports bras and shorts
this year than in years past. Should be fun.
worrierking
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BnB!!!!!!!
I ran into an armadillo on my run this morning. Drinking out of a puddle on the sidewalk. It reminded me of my epic encounter a few years back and the hilarity on here.
I hate those prehistoric ####ers!. They creep me out.
I ran into an armadillo on my run this morning. Drinking out of a puddle on the sidewalk. It reminded me of my epic encounter a few years back and the hilarity on here.
I hate those prehistoric ####ers!. They creep me out.
Felt great at 62.5. Was moving good and passing people. Stopped to get some foot work done and change clothes. About an hour break. Headed back out and it wasnt good, but was power hiking. At mile 70 the wheels fell off. Pace eroded from 18 min mile to 35 min mile. Training wasn't going to support more. Shower and sleep sounded better than a 9 hour death march.
Still amazed at how quickly I went from good to barely able to move. Should have stopped at 50 as planned but I was feeling better at that point then I did early in the day
Still amazed at how quickly I went from good to barely able to move. Should have stopped at 50 as planned but I was feeling better at that point then I did early in the day
ChiefD
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#1. You are awesome.
#2. Please provide a full report once you recover in a month or so. Thanks in advance.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
No, I really can't push on it much. It's quite firm, so it doesn't feel like typical swelling that I could ice/ice bath back down. There's not a sharp pain spot either. I just don't know what's going on in there! I'll talk to the doc about another xray (for the bone spur) and maybe MRI? (for the muscular/ligament issues?).Ned said:
JShare87
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Stopped reading after your first sentence made absolutely zero sense to me. How does a human feel great after 62.5 miles!?!? Just kidding, in all seriousness what you did is really inspiring and gives me confidence to complete a full marathon. Awesome, awesome accomplishment!
Juxtatarot
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But, you know, you can create your own segments...
Ned
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mr. furley
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ChiefD
Footballguy
So I don't get it. Was the six seconds late irrelevant, as Robbins didn't properly complete the loop counter-clockwise? Or would his finish have counted had it been six seconds faster? The video and article aren't real clear IMO.
ETA - Regardless, that video makes me never want to suffer as those guys do. Damn.
ETA - Regardless, that video makes me never want to suffer as those guys do. Damn.
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mr. furley
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i think irrelevant as he not only went the wrong way but also apparently wandered off course
SFBayDuck
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I've been following for three days, but missed the drama of the finish other than the 6 second miss. Can't wait to hear more about it. But either way, heartbreaking. I've been following his training, it's been insane.
SFBayDuck
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SFBayDuck
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Another good video with John's finish: https://youtu.be/St3ZXLVhric
And from Laz via email tonight:
i wish i had never said 6 seconds...gary had just come in after having run off courseand missing the last 2 miles of the barkley.that is, of course, not a finish.i do, however, always record when runners come in,whether they are finishing a loop, or not.so, i had looked at the watch,even tho there was no possibility that he would be counted as a finisher.so, when someone asked if he had gotten in before the limit;i foolishly answered.i never expected the story to somehow become that he had missed the time limit by 6 seconds.he failed to complete the course by 2 miles.the time, in that situation, is meaningless.i hate it, because this tale perpetuates the myth that the barkley does not have a course.the barkley is a footrace.it is not an orienteering contest,nor a scavenger hunt.the books are nothing more than unmanned checkpoints.the boston marathon has checkpoints.and you have to show up at all of them or you can be disqualified...that does not mean you are allowed to follow any route you choose between checkpoints.now, the class with which gary handled this terrible disappoinmentat the end of a truly magnificent performance...that was exceptional,and is, in and of itself, a remarkable achievement.but he did not miss the time limit by 6 seconds.he failed to complete the barkley by 2 miles.laz
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-OZ-
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Congrats B - simply awesome.
Sounds crazy to say but it's probably great that you found the breaking point. Now you know where you're at and can choose what to do about it.
I'm slightly irritated that I lived less than an hour from the Umstead park for 4 years and never even knew about the race, it sounds awesome. Congrats again!
Ned
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Lol. He can say it's a foot race but if you read the race reports it's more like a scavenger hunt than a race
mr. furley
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Juxtatarot
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I'm been thinking about running this 50-miler in October. Although a capacity of only 150 people seems weirdly small. I suppose I should run an ultra at least once, right? I don't have any other running plans for fall so it might be nice to try something different. And I won't have to run fast!
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beer 30
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Followed the Barkley this weekend, crazy disappointment for Robbins. If you've never seen it The Barkley Marathons you should, it depicts the race to a tee. One of the runner dudes I'm friends with ran it in 2012 I think, managed one loop. He runs ultras in sandals and owns a running shop so pretty into it, he finished one loop. It's an experience.
As for Umsteadt, from the website:
The course is rolling hills with a total of 8,000 feet of climb over the 100 miles (1,000 feet per loop). The entire course is runnable for front-runners with nicely spaced hills. Getting lost, even for a short time, will be difficult (but not impossible). By day the course will be well marked, and at night the course will be marked with colored, Umstead 100 Logo direction signs and glow sticks.
BnB, did you run into a pacer Bryan Hojnacki by any chance? He spent the night there grabbing runners as they came thru. Most people know him by Hojo, super cool dude, paces a lot of other races around here as well. Great job on the race, you never cease to amaze!
As for Umsteadt, from the website:
The course is rolling hills with a total of 8,000 feet of climb over the 100 miles (1,000 feet per loop). The entire course is runnable for front-runners with nicely spaced hills. Getting lost, even for a short time, will be difficult (but not impossible). By day the course will be well marked, and at night the course will be marked with colored, Umstead 100 Logo direction signs and glow sticks.
BnB, did you run into a pacer Bryan Hojnacki by any chance? He spent the night there grabbing runners as they came thru. Most people know him by Hojo, super cool dude, paces a lot of other races around here as well. Great job on the race, you never cease to amaze!
SFBayDuck
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SFBayDuck
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Juxtatarot
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Yes, since the distance would be enough of a new experience, I don't want to have to deal with terrain too. But I don't think I would even try to "crush" it. Primary goal would just be to finish.
beer 30
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whatever
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
"In that raw moment however, I see two options, turn back up the mountain and finish over time, or shoot a bearing and find yet one more reserve of energy to get to the yellow gate in under 60 hours. I bushwhacked down the mountain at breakneck speed and I found myself at a large river. The river was maybe fifteen feet wide and absolutely raging from all the rain we were experiencing. I took one step off the river bank and was already chest deep. I would never have made the decision to attempt to swim such waters under anything other than a highly sleep deprived and stressed state of mind."
gruecd
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I've got friends who've done that for their first ultra. Just my two cents, but if you're gonna do an ultra, then do the "real" thing and do a trail ultra.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
There's validity to this. I know the course you're looking at, Juxt. It's the same trails as the Prairie State HM and marathon that I've run a few times. I love the trail ... in part, because it's easy running. It's a great course, too, for race support.
mr. furley
Footballguy
first run of the season tonight while wearing shorts!
Osaurus
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Is it too late for a race report from Saturday? I was hoping to write it earlier but there they had technical difficulties with timing and didn’t release “official” results until last night. There are still problems but more on that later.
I was excited for this race. Going into this marathon cycle, I signed up for 4 races – the marathon, a 5K, a half marathon and this 10K. I didn’t think I could PR in the 5K or the half for a variety of reasons (and that ended up being true) but I thought a PR was likely for this 10K. My 10K PR (39:12) was my oldest set back in 2013 on this same course when I was training for the Boston Marathon. At the time I was ecstatic with the race. I remember thinking I may never run a race better in my life. However, as the years went by I got faster little by little and it ended up being my weakest PR. Despite that softness I had trouble besting it by failing in three attempts including twice last year.
It was perfect weather Saturday. 40 degrees at start, clear skies, and a wind less than 10 mph. My goal was to run the miles between 6:00 and 6:10. The race is for both a 5K and 10K run at the same times. Basically, the 10Kers run the 5K course twice. It’s not a big race. Only 80 finishers in the 10K and 158 for the 5K. However, the run is to benefit a high school track team and there were many high school track and cross country runners.
Although we had timing chips, there wasn’t a timing mat at the start. This is the only race I’ve run like that. Everyone starts at the same time and you only cross the finish mat. I lined up right behind the high school runners so it wasn’t a big deal for me but I can see how those missed seconds would be annoying to people farther back.
Mile 1: 6:02
At the start there are about a dozen runners ahead of me. Almost all in high school. I tell myself to not get competitive. A lot of them are probably running the 5K anyway. A felt pretty good and had to hold myself back from running faster.
Mile 2: 5:56
I’m still feeling good. I passed a few people. In my recent failed 10K results I’d feel almost as tired as I would if I was running a 5K during mile 2. This time it just felt like a manageable pace.
Mile 3: 6:04
The first two miles are a slight net downhill but that’s made up on the third mile. This caused me to slow a little. However, I was still happy that although I was certainly tiring, I didn’t have the urge to give up and stop with the 5Kers.
Mile 4: 6:03
After we split from the 5Kers and started the second loop, I can count the runners ahead of me. I’m comfortably in fourth. Only teenagers are ahead of me. Third place is maybe 50 yards ahead. Nobody was close behind.
Near the end of mile 4 I started feeling the onset of a side stitch. I focused on breathing slower and deeper. And guess what? It went away! I’m not sure if the breathing made it better but I’ll try that again when I get another some day.
Mile 5: 6:00
I pass some high school age volunteers and one tells me, “Don’t worry about them beating you, they are running every day!”. “So do I!” I reply. My calves are really burning and I’m very tired but I still feel under control. I notice I’m gaining ground on the 3rd place kid. We’re also lapping some of the walkers and slower runners.
Mile 6: 6:08
This is that uphill section again. I get within 10 yards of the kid but he must have spend up because he then widens his lead. I’m tired enough no longer to care.
Final .2: 5:48 pace
I finish in 4th. My watch says 37:45. My “official” time was 37:37. I think that’s messed up though. Maybe I hit my watch a few seconds after the finish mat but not 8 seconds later. I think this probably has something to do with not having a starting timing mat. The results also have me finishing in 5th instead of 4th. They have some 55 year-old guy in 2nd. I emailed the race director who said he’s already “on it”. My guess is the guy signed up for the 10K but quit at 5K and went over the timing mat.
My calves really felt trashed at the end of the race. When I got out of my car after driving home, I literally couldn’t walk. I could barely waddle. Fortunately they were mostly OK by Sunday and I was able to run 18. I still have a marathon to train for, you know.
I was excited for this race. Going into this marathon cycle, I signed up for 4 races – the marathon, a 5K, a half marathon and this 10K. I didn’t think I could PR in the 5K or the half for a variety of reasons (and that ended up being true) but I thought a PR was likely for this 10K. My 10K PR (39:12) was my oldest set back in 2013 on this same course when I was training for the Boston Marathon. At the time I was ecstatic with the race. I remember thinking I may never run a race better in my life. However, as the years went by I got faster little by little and it ended up being my weakest PR. Despite that softness I had trouble besting it by failing in three attempts including twice last year.
It was perfect weather Saturday. 40 degrees at start, clear skies, and a wind less than 10 mph. My goal was to run the miles between 6:00 and 6:10. The race is for both a 5K and 10K run at the same times. Basically, the 10Kers run the 5K course twice. It’s not a big race. Only 80 finishers in the 10K and 158 for the 5K. However, the run is to benefit a high school track team and there were many high school track and cross country runners.
Although we had timing chips, there wasn’t a timing mat at the start. This is the only race I’ve run like that. Everyone starts at the same time and you only cross the finish mat. I lined up right behind the high school runners so it wasn’t a big deal for me but I can see how those missed seconds would be annoying to people farther back.
Mile 1: 6:02
At the start there are about a dozen runners ahead of me. Almost all in high school. I tell myself to not get competitive. A lot of them are probably running the 5K anyway. A felt pretty good and had to hold myself back from running faster.
Mile 2: 5:56
I’m still feeling good. I passed a few people. In my recent failed 10K results I’d feel almost as tired as I would if I was running a 5K during mile 2. This time it just felt like a manageable pace.
Mile 3: 6:04
The first two miles are a slight net downhill but that’s made up on the third mile. This caused me to slow a little. However, I was still happy that although I was certainly tiring, I didn’t have the urge to give up and stop with the 5Kers.
Mile 4: 6:03
After we split from the 5Kers and started the second loop, I can count the runners ahead of me. I’m comfortably in fourth. Only teenagers are ahead of me. Third place is maybe 50 yards ahead. Nobody was close behind.
Near the end of mile 4 I started feeling the onset of a side stitch. I focused on breathing slower and deeper. And guess what? It went away! I’m not sure if the breathing made it better but I’ll try that again when I get another some day.
Mile 5: 6:00
I pass some high school age volunteers and one tells me, “Don’t worry about them beating you, they are running every day!”. “So do I!” I reply. My calves are really burning and I’m very tired but I still feel under control. I notice I’m gaining ground on the 3rd place kid. We’re also lapping some of the walkers and slower runners.
Mile 6: 6:08
This is that uphill section again. I get within 10 yards of the kid but he must have spend up because he then widens his lead. I’m tired enough no longer to care.
Final .2: 5:48 pace
I finish in 4th. My watch says 37:45. My “official” time was 37:37. I think that’s messed up though. Maybe I hit my watch a few seconds after the finish mat but not 8 seconds later. I think this probably has something to do with not having a starting timing mat. The results also have me finishing in 5th instead of 4th. They have some 55 year-old guy in 2nd. I emailed the race director who said he’s already “on it”. My guess is the guy signed up for the 10K but quit at 5K and went over the timing mat.
My calves really felt trashed at the end of the race. When I got out of my car after driving home, I literally couldn’t walk. I could barely waddle. Fortunately they were mostly OK by Sunday and I was able to run 18. I still have a marathon to train for, you know.
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ChiefD
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mr. furley
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one of the ladies i work with is down in Southern Florida somewhere. when i talked to her yesterday she was moaning about it already being 90.Might get back down to the high 70s by the end of the week
ChiefD
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mr. furley
Footballguy
well, i sure hope not. she's in her middle 60s, about 5 feet tall and gotta be nipping at 200lbs heels.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Ned
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