The Iguana
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Rolled my ankle in a stupid manner this morning on a run. Currently growing a baseball there as I ice it... Not good.
Yup it’s all about the calves and to a lesser extent the hamstrings.Everything you experienced and the symptoms you mention are the same as for me except mine seems to ebb and flow instead of just getting progressively worse. For me it seems calf tightness plays a key role.
(By the way, I’m just sharing. No advice implied. I know similar injuries can be quite different.)
Get well soon, OG.I got through the relay race. Last couple legs (6 miles each) we’re tough. Hip’s hurting pretty bad. Might need to skip the final 5K in a month and just heal up and switch to winter training, ala Oz.
I just handed her my phone and showed her these two posts and she just shook her head.
Say what?!
The first rule of Fight Club? You do not talk about Fight Club.I just handed her my phone and showed her these two posts and she just shook her head.
Self reply!Fueling stuff... I took a leftover Roctane out on a run last weekend and then realized I needed some more fuel stuff to try. Stumbled online upon gel by Maurten that I remembered from the ‘Breaking 2’ coverage that those guys were drinking custom Maurten blends. I ordered some so I can report/compare in a few weeks. Anyone tried?
? glad you’re feeling better.Had a Clif bar beforehand, a Gu and some Gatorade around mile 6, and a Gu and some Gatorade around 11.75.
Tri guys always tough it outI got through the relay race. Last couple legs (6 miles each) were tough. Hip’s hurting pretty bad. Might need to skip the final 5K in a month and just heal up and switch to winter training, ala Oz.
That sounds horrible. I’ll let my friend know ...Heel became really tender to the touch. Like if I bumped it against something without a shoe on it’d be a pretty sharp pain. During runs it would be stiff around that area of the heel and ankle but it always loosened up on a run. So I ignored it. Then getting out of bed would suck where it was super stiff and I’d limp to the bathroom. Again it would loosen up after moving so I ignored it. It snowballed over months and finally killed me during my taper and it blew up during my last marathon.
Ice ice ice, plenty of ibuprophren.Rolled my ankle in a stupid manner this morning on a run. Currently growing a baseball there as I ice it... Not good.
Yep, that's my biggest concern too..
In the end, and to be honest, I was most worried about physically be able to sit in the saddle for those 10+ hours. I was really surprised at how bad it wasnt. I do have a really nice pair of bike shorts, which I swear by, but it’s not like they were new.
So you didn’t finish last? :beer:wound up running in a 5k yesterday. the route goes right past my house so how could i not?
turned out the thing was a sort of steeplechase with jumps over hay bales, running through tires, jumping over hurdles
finished 5th in my AG!
out of 7
That’s awesome! Sounds like you are pushing yourself hard. Don’t forget to give yourself an off week at some point. I like the 3 weeks on, 1 week off.I feel like I have a semi-legit workout week to talk about for the first time in forever.
This was a tough week to get workouts in with work being insane, kids’ soccer schedule, and my brother getting married this weekend.
Mon - 6mi @ 9:09/151. Legs were tired from Sunday’s 20mi Ride (longest I’ve ever gone on the road bike).
Wed - 20mi road bike with my brother. The bike path is pancake flat so it’s easy to maintain pace. Like everything else with him it slowly turns into a competition. We pushed the last 4mi or so. He slowly dropped me inch by inch. The burn you experience pushing on the bike is pretty unique; my bike fitness sucks balls.
Fri - 6mi with 2-3 at LT. I wanted to see where I was at now that I’ve started to adjust to running semi regularly again. Went 7:24/7:27 and hoped to do a third mile, but my quads were still torched from Wed’s ride and my HR was creeping.
Sat - 8mi @ 9:19/149. I knew I had to run first thing in the AM or not at all for the weekend with the wedding Sat night. :X First time I’ve seen an avg HR under 150 in a long time. My legs were dead the whole time, but I felt really good energy-wise at the end and cruised it in on the last mile at 8:27. I was happy that felt like a smooth effort.
Sorry to hear that. What did your tempo paces look like?My mileage situation is different than others on here, but after a good chunk of months trying to follow the less is more approach to pace (ie most miles at a slow pace), I'm not seeing the results. My fitness is worse off than when I just run by feel. Injury situation /leg health is no different either.
Everyone's situation is different, but I'm just not seeing this approach for me.
Agree with this. This is why I like Hanson’s. Similar philosophy.I know it was the smart decision to not race today....but I should've raced today. Instead, I went out for a long run, knowing I wanted to do at least 12, maybe more. It was a picture perfect fall morning with temps in the 40s and clear skies. Started nice and easy with the first couple of miles at 8:33 and 8:16 and progressively got faster. Ended up doing 18 miles with the last two miles at 6:55 and 6:48. Overall average 7:33/mile. I'm convinced that I could've run sub-86 in the half today.
Texted my coach, and he replied, "There is no freaking way I wud have guessed that LR wud have gone that well after the way your ankle felt on fri. How the hell did that happen?"
My response? Fresh legs. Given my cumulative mileage base, I think he's really onto something with having me do fewer really long runs (only two 20-milers this cycle) and more faster MLRs. For me, less definitely seems to be more.
I understand the premise of the go slow method - 10 miles at 9:00/mi pace may be more beneficial than 5 miles at 7:30 pace (for example). My problem is that pushing the mileage over 6 per run starts to cause calf strains, so I get 6 miles at 9:00/mi pace which I don't think is doing me better than 5 miles at 7:30 pace. I'm not planning to do every run as a mock race, but I will do more up tempo miles and listen to the body as I do so.Sorry to hear that. What did your tempo paces look like?
Makes sense to me.I understand the premise of the go slow method - 10 miles at 9:00/mi pace may be more beneficial than 5 miles at 7:30 pace (for example). My problem is that pushing the mileage over 6 per run starts to cause calf strains, so I get 6 miles at 9:00/mi pace which I don't think is doing me better than 5 miles at 7:30 pace. I'm not planning to do every run as a mock race, but I will do more up tempo miles and listen to the body as I do so.
On the few occasions that I'm doing a true tempo run, it's probably between 7 and 7:30 pace.
Thanks, boss. Ankle feels fine today, but man, my legs feel almost like I ran a marathon yesterday. Left quad and right hammy just sore. Did an easy 7-mile recovery run this morning, and thankfully just an easy 5/5 double tomorrow.? glad you’re feeling better.
Thanks, man. If you're really serious about Boston, I could put you in touch with my coach. Only $97 per four weeks. The accountability alone is worth it.Agree with this. This is why I like Hanson’s. Similar philosophy.
After Boston 2018, i went into slow mile mode, lots of them for the summer. As i prepare for my pacing gig and ultra, I’ll stick with slow miles.
But Boston 2019 training will again try to be similar to a lot of the stuff you are doing now.
cant wait to see how your marathon goes
Nice. I played it safe this morning, the aches and more effing rain convinced me to listen to my body and just go to the gym. Spun a bike for a bit and stretched / body weight stuff for a while and feel good again ready for the morning.gruecd said:Thanks, boss. Ankle feels fine today, but man, my legs feel almost like I ran a marathon yesterday. Left quad and right hammy just sore. Did an easy 7-mile recovery run this morning, and thankfully just an easy 5/5 double tomorrow.
IMO, succeeding at the 5K/10K level calls for a mix of both aerobic ability and leg strength/rotation. While the long, slow miles are a way to accomplish both, I believe you're right in approaching it in another manner - shorter runs (up to 6 miles) at a moderate or fast pace. Instead of prioritizing the aerobic dimension (critical for long races like marathons), you're developing the leg strength/power needed for shorter races and getting sufficient aerobic development to support that.Brony said:I understand the premise of the go slow method - 10 miles at 9:00/mi pace may be more beneficial than 5 miles at 7:30 pace (for example). My problem is that pushing the mileage over 6 per run starts to cause calf strains, so I get 6 miles at 9:00/mi pace which I don't think is doing me better than 5 miles at 7:30 pace. I'm not planning to do every run as a mock race, but I will do more up tempo miles and listen to the body as I do so.
On the few occasions that I'm doing a true tempo run, it's probably between 7 and 7:30 pace.
We all know that training stress + recovery is what leads to fitness gains. So when looking at LSD-type runs it needs to be "stressful" enough, which means volume. If it's easy for you to run slowly for 6 miles at 9:00 pace and you can't bump that up that volume to 8-9-10-20 miles at 9:00 pace, then it's not going to lead to improvement.Brony said:I understand the premise of the go slow method - 10 miles at 9:00/mi pace may be more beneficial than 5 miles at 7:30 pace (for example). My problem is that pushing the mileage over 6 per run starts to cause calf strains, so I get 6 miles at 9:00/mi pace which I don't think is doing me better than 5 miles at 7:30 pace. I'm not planning to do every run as a mock race, but I will do more up tempo miles and listen to the body as I do so.
On the few occasions that I'm doing a true tempo run, it's probably between 7 and 7:30 pace.
Go stay at a Holiday Inn Express tonight. Re-read the above.None of this makes sense to me.
Update: I hit my 50th ride the other day and I'm at about 44 days straight without missing a day. I started looking up info on the Peloton studio in NYC and may head up there with the wife for my 100th ride which could be around 11/10. We may take the day off Friday, head up and do a class and then grab dinner / drinks, stay there at a hotel in the area and hit another class in the morning before heading home. Lots of good reviews on the studio so looking forward to checking it out.Just followed you, I'm Lehigh98 on there too.
I had been looking at them for a while and waiting for a good deal on one on the facebook resell group or on ebay near me but just couldn't pull the trigger for a year or so. Then I hit the heaviest I've ever been (205.5 lbs - BMI 27.9) at the same time my wife was complaining that she wasn't losing any weight from going to her (group fitness class type) gym and not listening to me saying she needed to do more cardio if that was her goal.
Anyway, found a bike about an hour away and added to watch list. The bonus was that the shoes included were my wife's size. Got sniped at last second but winner backed out and I got a second chance offer. Almost the same time I got the offer, ebay started a discount promotion and I got an extra $100 off when I paid for it. Drove an hour, and picked it up last weekend. Rode Sunday, Monday, and then 2x a day for the last six days. My wife has done six cycling classes in the last eight days.
We set it up in the bedroom and I like that I can basically get out of bed and jump on. Also, if I tried to run twice a day for seven days in a row I'd be in PT before long. I like that I can basically ride the bike as much as my legs (and schedule) will let me and that I can bang out 1,000 calories+ per day. Hopefully it stays... I wouldn't say "fun" but almost enjoyable.. for a long time and I can drop this weight I picked up and get back to running too.
Anyone else on Peloton that I can follow? I'm Lehigh98 on myfitnesspal too if anyone uses that.
Juxtatarot said:Makes sense to me.
TLR - Makes sense to me.
TLR - Makes sense to me.
Not sure whether to be confident or scared.None of this makes sense to me.
Either one makes sense to me.Not sure whether to be confident or scared.
Good luck but that looks rough to me.Did a little schedule re-arranging this week to better suit a little road trip with the wifey this coming weekend. Probably not the smartest idea coming off an injury, but I basically took my Thursday rest day and postponed it until Sunday, shifting my Friday-Saturday-Sunday runs forward a day. So now:
Today - 5/5 double GA
Wednesday - 10 with 8 x 4 min at increasing speed (probably gonna do this on the TM, start at 9.2 and increase 0.1 each rep, so 6:31 down to 6:04)
Thursday - 10 GA
Friday - 15 (first 10 @745-800, last 5 @700-710)
Saturday - 9 GA
Sunday - rest
I can handle the mileage. And I'll "cheat" a little bit on Friday. Gonna run an out-and-back that's slight uphill on the way out and slight downhill on the way back. I'll make a concerted effort to keep the GA runs between 7:45-8:00 pace and not let it creep down into the 7:30s or faster....like I did this morning.Good luck but that looks rough to me.
Why on the treadmill? Is it going to rain on Wednesday because the temperature at least here is starting to get good.Wednesday - 10 with 8 x 4 min at increasing speed (probably gonna do this on the TM, start at 9.2 and increase 0.1 each rep, so 6:31 down to 6:04)
Temperature will be great. I've actually just kinda learned to like doing intervals on the treadmill. Removes some variables and allows me to really dial in the pace. I also figure that the softer surface might be a nice break for my ankle.Why on the treadmill? Is it going to rain on Wednesday because the temperature at least here is starting to get good.
Do you think there's any correlation between increasing treadmill usage and your recent ankle injury?Temperature will be great. I've actually just kinda learned to like doing intervals on the treadmill. Removes some variables and allows me to really dial in the pace. I also figure that the softer surface might be a nice break for my ankle.
But yeah, I should have temps in the low- to mid-40s for all the rest of my runs this week!
2,010 here.1,998 miles year-to-date as of this morning, so I'll cross 2,000 for the year with tonight's 5-miler.
what was in that Medrol Dose-pak??!?Did a little schedule re-arranging this week to better suit a little road trip with the wifey this coming weekend. Probably not the smartest idea coming off an injury, but I basically took my Thursday rest day and postponed it until Sunday, shifting my Friday-Saturday-Sunday runs forward a day. So now:
Today - 5/5 double GA
Wednesday - 10 with 8 x 4 min at increasing speed (probably gonna do this on the TM, start at 9.2 and increase 0.1 each rep, so 6:31 down to 6:04)
Thursday - 10 GA
Friday - 15 (first 10 @745-800, last 5 @700-710)
Saturday - 9 GA
Sunday - rest
Nah, I think I've only been on it three times since the beginning of August.Do you think there's any correlation between increasing treadmill usage and your recent ankle injury?
LOL no idea, but it honestly zapped the inflammation right out of there, and it feels good as new. The only time I'm even remotely aware of it is when I run steep hills. Everything else, no problem.what was in that Medrol Dose-pak??!?
great recovery!LOL no idea, but it honestly zapped the inflammation right out of there, and it feels good as new. The only time I'm even remotely aware of it is when I run steep hills. Everything else, no problem.
Yeah, man, I'm lucky. A little less than 3 more weeks of building, capped off by my 2nd and final 20-miler of the cycle on 10/13, and then it's taper time!great recovery!