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Bailed 1/3 of the way through my workout yesterday.  Was supposed to do 3 x 2.5 miles at increasing speed.  Did the first set at 6:39 average and (somewhat reluctantly) called it a day.  Both hamstrings were tight, and I could tell that I was working harder than I should've been for that pace.  Clearly I'm still not recovered from the relay last weekend, and with my goal marathon only 9 days away, the risk/reward obviously favored pulling the plug.

Related, I hate tapering.  I always feel fat and lethargic and out of shape, and all of my runs feel harder than they should.  

 
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Juxtatarot said:
Good luck to @bushdocda on your marathon this weekend?  Do we get a pre-race report?  Weather?  How ya feeling?
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I am pumped, thanks for asking!  Rain looks like it will come through today into Saturday but clear out for Sunday with a high of 61.   Looked really wet early in the week. Now it looks great. 

I’ve executed this plan/cycle just about as well as I could have asked at the beginning so it will be cool to put myself to the test. Ive looked back at last years training, last years race report and on experience alone I have grown tremendously.  I’ve demolished last years shabby training with more quality and quantity.  I have a much deeper well to draw from and I improved logistics by getting my bib mailed to avoid expo and staying much closer to the start.  Lots of things in my favor as I anticipate Sunday morning and my nerves are coming and going. Ready to take on the 26.2.

Will find a tracking link and post # later - gun should be ~8am est Sunday  

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bushdocda said:
I am pumped, thanks for asking!  Rain looks like it will come through today into Saturday but clear out for Sunday with a high of 61.   Looked really wet early in the week. Now it looks great. 

I’ve executed this plan/cycle just about as well as I could have asked at the beginning so it will be cool to put myself to the test. Ive looked back at last years training, last years race report and on experience alone I have grown tremendously.  I’ve demolished last years shabby training with more quality and quantity.  I have a much deeper well to draw from and I improved logistics by getting my bib mailed to avoid expo and staying much closer to the start.  Lots of things in my favor as I anticipate Sunday morning and my nerves are coming and going. Ready to take on the 26.2.

Will find a tracking link and post # later - gun should be ~8am est Sunday  

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I mentioned it already but it's been awesome following along the work you've put in considering you're newer to this than some of the others in here.  The quality and quantity is certainly accounted for.  I can't wait to see how this weekend goes for you but either way should be truly proud of the effort you put in.  Now just go enjoy the results of that work and go get some.

 
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I am pumped, thanks for asking!  Rain looks like it will come through today into Saturday but clear out for Sunday with a high of 61.   Looked really wet early in the week. Now it looks great. 

I’ve executed this plan/cycle just about as well as I could have asked at the beginning so it will be cool to put myself to the test. Ive looked back at last years training, last years race report and on experience alone I have grown tremendously.  I’ve demolished last years shabby training with more quality and quantity.  I have a much deeper well to draw from and I improved logistics by getting my bib mailed to avoid expo and staying much closer to the start.  Lots of things in my favor as I anticipate Sunday morning and my nerves are coming and going. Ready to take on the 26.2.

Will find a tracking link and post # later - gun should be ~8am est Sunday  

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I have heard that for this race that there aren't assigned corrals and reading your race report from last year you mentioned that it was pretty crowded and slow the first 3 miles.  Are you going to do anything different from last year for the start?  You're clearly in better shape than last year and I am looking forward to see what you can do.

 
bushdocda said:
I am pumped, thanks for asking!  Rain looks like it will come through today into Saturday but clear out for Sunday with a high of 61.   Looked really wet early in the week. Now it looks great. 

I’ve executed this plan/cycle just about as well as I could have asked at the beginning so it will be cool to put myself to the test. Ive looked back at last years training, last years race report and on experience alone I have grown tremendously.  I’ve demolished last years shabby training with more quality and quantity.  I have a much deeper well to draw from and I improved logistics by getting my bib mailed to avoid expo and staying much closer to the start.  Lots of things in my favor as I anticipate Sunday morning and my nerves are coming and going. Ready to take on the 26.2.

Will find a tracking link and post # later - gun should be ~8am est Sunday  

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What's the goal?  Around 3:30-3:40? This is just your second marathon, right?

 
My entry was officially approved for the 2019 Chicago Marathon yesterday so I put that on the calendar.  Kind of crazy that they make you decide almost a year away.  

I don't know what what I want to do in the spring (besides the St. Louis relay, of course!).  I've trained for an A race the last three winters so I'm used to the cold and darkness.   Part of me wants to take time off but there's that other part that wants to keep pushing while I'm still "young" enough to get better.

 
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My entry was officially approved for the 2019 Chicago Marathon yesterday so I put that on the calendar.  Kind of crazy that they make you decide almost a year away.  

I don't know what what I want to do in the spring (besides the St. Louis relay, of course!).  I've trained for an A race the last three winters so I'm used to the cold and darkness.   Part of me wants to take time off but there's that other part that wants to keep pushing while I'm still "young" enough to get better.
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The McMillan equivalent for the marathon based on your half is 2:49:10, so breaking 2:50 could be possible.

 
pbm107 said:
I have heard that for this race that there aren't assigned corrals and reading your race report from last year you mentioned that it was pretty crowded and slow the first 3 miles.  Are you going to do anything different from last year for the start?  You're clearly in better shape than last year and I am looking forward to see what you can do.
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They added 3 corrals by bib # for this year which should be (I hope) a better start flow. I am in the first corral and will l line up between 3:30 and 3:45 pace groups and ride out the first 2.5m miles that have the only uphill of note. If the corrals and my placement get me freed up by mile 3 I’ll be stoked bc last year was quite a jam through 5. 

 
gianmarco said:
Btw, you going to join in the STL relay?  I don't think we ever heard from you  :)
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I will have to talk to the wife this weekend, she is mostly understanding of all the running I do but I am afraid that I will be making the request at an inopportune time.  In about 2 weeks before I head out of town for the weekend with friends to run a marathon.

 
bushdocda said:
Yes and yes. I would be thrilled with the top end of that range. Per Hanson plan, I trained for 3:35 but I can’t wrap my head around that for race day pacing. 
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Rested legs can make a huge difference.  Hopefully you'll be shocked at how much easier that pace feels than it felt in training.  That happens to me.

 
Juxtatarot said:
My entry was officially approved for the 2019 Chicago Marathon yesterday so I put that on the calendar.  Kind of crazy that they make you decide almost a year away.
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It's so stupid.  One of the main reasons why I'm not inclined to sign up.

 
MAC_32 said:
They've had a good 7 year run.  That is if you're normal and tolerant of conditions over 37 degrees anyway  ;)
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Looking great for Indy so far.  High of 49° on Saturday with an overnight low of 36° on Friday, meaning we'll probably be racing in the upper 30s/lower 40s.

 
@The Iguana, can you recommend a good restaurant close to my hotel (Le Méridien) for dinner on Friday night?  Not pasta....I do that the night before the night before (Thursday).  I typically just get some kind of chicken entree or something.  Already have my reservation for Saturday night at St. Elmo's.  Remains to be seen if I'll be celebrating or commiserating, but either way I'll be doing it over a big, juicy bone-in filet!

 
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@The Iguana, can you recommend a good restaurant close to my hotel (Le Méridien) for dinner on Friday night?  Not pasta....I do that the night before the night before (Thursday).  I typically just get some kind of chicken entree or something.  Already have my reservation for Saturday night at St. Elmo's.  Remains to be seen if I'll be celebrating or commiserating, but either way I'll be doing it over a big, juicy bone-in filet!
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Since it's pre-race it'd probably be an uber and not a walk (which may already eliminate it from consideration), but we loved this place - http://www.saintjoseph.beer/food.

Only con would be not drinking the beer and resisting the temptations littered throughout the menu.  We ended up going there for both dinner and after hours the day we were there - bartenders loved us as much as our bodies hated us the next day.

 
pbm107 said:
It’s funny how much can change and also stay the same.

I wish Chicago was run later in the season, my favorite time of year to train is October and with a mid October race I’d be tapering and recovering all month. 
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I remember you writing this around the time I did a half early October last year.  I'm experiencing now what you were talking about.  I didn't really get to go through it in 16 either as I was tapering for Columbus.  The next time I do a fall marathon it's not going to be any earlier than sometime in November - and I realize that means I'll have to travel for it.  I'm okay with that.

 
pbm107 said:
I wish Chicago was run later in the season, my favorite time of year to train is October and with a mid October race I’d be tapering and recovering all month. 
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Yes, I'm going to run every day in October and I'm sure I've never done that before.  Fall seems a lot less windy here than spring too which is nice. 

 
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It is.

One thing I don't recall us discussing much:  the amount of bounce or “vertical oscillation” in the stride.  I see this in other runners a lot and it baffles me why they are jumping every step.

I have been told my stride is efficient.  I don't credit anything other than a natural tendency of trying to accomplish things as lazily as possible.
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It fascinates me how fast runners make it look effortless. It doesn't even look like they are running fast at times but the stride length and kick is tremendous.

I'm pretty sure i don't do that when I run because I don't have the fitness to maintain that but it still amazes me the difference in how a fast runner looks compared to a slower runner like me. I'm assuming it's just a natural evolution as you speed up and that speed work helps with the faster form needed.

 
gianmarco said:
It fascinates me how fast runners make it look effortless. It doesn't even look like they are running fast at times but the stride length and kick is tremendous.

I'm pretty sure i don't do that when I run because I don't have the fitness to maintain that but it still amazes me the difference in how a fast runner looks compared to a slower runner like me. I'm assuming it's just a natural evolution as you speed up and that speed work helps with the faster form needed.
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The beer mile guy is a good example of the "effortless" look.  

 
Juxtatarot said:
The beer mile guy is a good example of the "effortless" look.  
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He's what made me do a search on that and what led me to finding that article. He made that look easy. I can't even sprint that fast, I don't think, and dude is just "jogging".

 
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@The Iguana, can you recommend a good restaurant close to my hotel (Le Méridien) for dinner on Friday night?  Not pasta....I do that the night before the night before (Thursday).  I typically just get some kind of chicken entree or something.  Already have my reservation for Saturday night at St. Elmo's.  Remains to be seen if I'll be celebrating or commiserating, but either way I'll be doing it over a big, juicy bone-in filet!
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St. Joe's that was mentioned is an excellent option other than not getting a beer and being an uber rather than a walk. Other local-ish places I can think of aren't any closer. 

If you want something right there, there are plenty of chain like places there that are ok - rock bottom, Weber grill, colts grill, old spaghetti factory, kilroy's. Actually as I type, there's a Scotty's right there too that is a local brewery and restaurant. A little higher end is Harry and izzy's but that's more of a steak place and you already have St. Elmo's after. 

Feels like I am forgetting something... I'll think about it. St. Joe's is my favorites of that list so far. 

 
The Iguana said:
St. Joe's that was mentioned is an excellent option other than not getting a beer and being an uber rather than a walk. Other local-ish places I can think of aren't any closer. 

If you want something right there, there are plenty of chain like places there that are ok - rock bottom, Weber grill, colts grill, old spaghetti factory, kilroy's. Actually as I type, there's a Scotty's right there too that is a local brewery and restaurant. A little higher end is Harry and izzy's but that's more of a steak place and you already have St. Elmo's after. 

Feels like I am forgetting something... I'll think about it. St. Joe's is my favorites of that list so far. 
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Thanks! I'll have my car, so St. Joe's isn't a problem. Like I said, my wife won't be getting down there until later, and I need to eat earlier, so I'll prob just belly up and eat at the bar. Do they brew an Octoberfest?

 
gruecd said:
Thanks! I'll have my car, so St. Joe's isn't a problem. Like I said, my wife won't be getting down there until later, and I need to eat earlier, so I'll prob just belly up and eat at the bar. Do they brew an Octoberfest?
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Ahhhh, yes, St. Joeberfest. ?

Just one with dinner won't hurt. Helps take the edge off. :)

 
Juxtatarot said:
The beer mile guy is a good example of the "effortless" look.  
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gianmarco said:
He's what made me do a search on that and what led me to finding that article. He made that look easy. I can't even sprint that fast, I don't think, and dude is just "jogging".
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Right?!  That’s insane.  Doesn’t even look like he’s running that fast, and then I realize I likely couldn’t keep his pace for a single lap.  Insane.

Good luck this weekend racers!!

 
Plan for my half tomorrow is to go out at 6:52 (1:29:59) and hold on for dear life for 13.1 miles. No clue if I’m capable of it, but we’ll find out. I’m open to suggestions. 

 
JShare87 said:
Plan for my half tomorrow is to go out at 6:52 (1:29:59) and hold on for dear life for 13.1 miles. No clue if I’m capable of it, but we’ll find out. I’m open to suggestions. 
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You're racing? Awesome. All I'll say is dont force it. Correct me if I'm wrong but have you been putting in comparable miles to when you were marathon training? Lack of quality would be my only real concern, assuming your injuries aren't bothering you anyway. 

 
JShare87 said:
Plan for my half tomorrow is to go out at 6:52 (1:29:59) and hold on for dear life for 13.1 miles. No clue if I’m capable of it, but we’ll find out. I’m open to suggestions. 
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Didn't realize you were going tomorrow. Good luck!!  

And don't forget the neurostim run!

 
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MAC_32 said:
You're racing? Awesome. All I'll say is dont force it. Correct me if I'm wrong but have you been putting in comparable miles to when you were marathon training? Lack of quality would be my only real concern, assuming your injuries aren't bothering you anyway. 
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My nerve issue isn’t getting any better, but I have learned to deal with it. It probably has a bigger impact than I think on my running because I try not to put much thought into it. I’ve been putting in about 40 a week besides for this week because my foot on that side was pretty messed up after my Saturday run. No real quality runs though, just slow time wasting miles. 7:05-7:15 is a real comfortable pace for me, but it seems like I start working much harder when I dip below 7:00. If I’m feeling good in the am, I’ll push it. If not maybe just back off a little and do 7:05-7:15 for the first few and see how I feel. 

 
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