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That's a long time for GPS to go dark. I've had my phone battery die or get a random reboot but nothing for this long. It does the same thing which happened to you -- draw a straight line from where it lost signal to where it recovered.
So funny how differently we see things depending on where we live. If it was gonna be "low 60s high 50s" for Indy, I'd be looking for a different race to run.
We have technical stuff, but it’s little sections not miles at a time. Ask @SayWhat? about the “meat grinder” in RdL - I think he said that was tamer than most of Superior. With the higher mountains we definitely have longer climbs, although not necessarily steeper. Most of my long races out here have had 8-9-10 mile climbs. And altitude can obviously become a factor, as all four 100s I’ve done out here have had sections between 7,500-9,000’. But the terrain is way easier; in general, than what I experienced at Grindstone.
sneak peek at my extended local forecast says race day will be 46 for a low and 58 for a high... so, umm... sounds pretty good to me.So funny how differently we see things depending on where we live. If it was gonna be "low 60s high 50s" for Indy, I'd be looking for a different race to run.
You are just a beast. This is awesome. You just running more miles has paid off. I have found running lots and lots of slow miles leads to faster times.
I remember everyone saying this, but I do not agree with this at all. Maybe it’s just me, but running nothing but slow miles has made me take a few steps back in terms of running faster imo.You are just a beast. This is awesome. You just running more miles has paid off. I have found running lots and lots of slow miles leads to faster times.
Congrats on the great time although next time get a little warm up in so mile 1 doesn't suck so much physically.
I understand where you are coming from, however, I think you need to run a lot more slow miles. If you ran 75 miles per week of slow miles, I think you would have a different perspective.JShare87 said:
It really has been an impressive year for you, I wish you had better insight as why you're running so well so you can tell the rest of us. You are on track for a yearly mileage PR, but I wouldn't call it a significant one. Perhaps you're seeing the benefit of consistency over the years.Juxtatarot said:
Thinking about it more, yes, I think consistency plays a role. I didn't take THAT much slack time between my marathon in the spring and this summer/fall training. I started this cycle in pretty good shape.
I think there's a point where you can go too far with it, but I'll always go back to a period of slow miles / MAF. over time it pays off IMO, but you do need to ### stress to your workouts. Whether that's increasing mileage or tempo largely depends on time you want to spend and natural ability. Most of us have limited time, so we get to the point where we need to add speed as a stressor.JShare87 said:
Just for the marathon, I meant. I didn't train with gels and felt disgusted by eating anything during the race in 2017. I ate Bloks during most of my long runs this winter so I was more accustomed with taking calories during the marathon. I also shifted to a carb heavy diet the week of the marathon which may have helped.
LOL. I never had chafing in high school and I was hoping that chafing in August was due to sweat. Nope. Burning like a mutha after yesterday's long run. (Like you, also got in my longest since HS/20's). Band-aids are back on.When I finished the 9 miles and then did about a 2 or 2.5 mile walk with my dog about a 1/2 hour later, I thought I might have over done it. An evening of fun with a couple of adult beverages and a pretty light Sunday and I'm feeling pretty good. Really looking forward to a workout today. About the only real physical complaint today is some chaffed nipples! I kind of forgot about that part of a long run... time to find some pasties, imo.
Interesting, I recently tried making some changes in this area as well. I have decided to go back to gels for race day instead of the Bloks in attempt to get more calories in. My last two long runs I took in a gel, and took a gel 15 minutes before my last Marathon MP run and one during so I could practice at race pace. I also have been drinking UCAN before and after long runs.
? I'm trying to decide just how important it is to do more training with the nutrition you get on the course.
That's where I am at and decided to change things up, the past few weeks is the first time I have taken gels/bloks in training since 2013.
If you are serious about a BQ this March, I think you should try to analyze what made you successful in your BMF marathon and likely copy that but add some improvements (quality or volume).JShare87 said:
I would have one package of BLOKS on my weekend long run. A box of BLOKS isn't much more than $1 per unit. So...about $1 per week.
So I'm just a bit confused, as you (@SFBayDuck) ran a race out East, @BassNBrew commented about wanting to run out West but not being a fan of the 6pm start of your race out East, and then you provided some insight about running out West. BNB, I'm guessing you know that his 6pm start race was out East? So if you're looking out West I can offer my take on the terrain, assuming Duck can confirm that RdL is similar to a lot of the other trails out West because that's the only running I've done out that way.SFBayDuck said:
Awesome race report Duck! That's a pretty insane experience, quite literally. You were questioning your sanity during the race and it seems with good reason! Incredible job getting that one done. I've added a couple comments to your above post as well.
Thanks. Not sure I will ever have that type of focus or motivation I had before that race. 2 months of being completely zoned in. I guess I just don’t want it bad enough at the moment. Not sure a BQ is going to be in play for March. I just want to countinue to improve at that distance.
A BQ probably won't happen, but if you can maintain the consistency that you've established + add in more quality without experiencing any health setbacks I think you can make a huge step towards getting it 2 times from now. You got a 3:20 on less than 2 months of training when you weren't ever healthy. I think you're a good cycle away from getting 3:05-3:10. Then you'll be in a better position to plot out what you need to do differently to BQ. Or just stay in shape then wait til you turn 35.
Yeah, I knew Grindstone was a 6pm start. Pretty stupid IMO, especially with a mandatory midday meeting and then you sit around and do nothing. Grindstone is pretty easy to get into and is only 4 hours away from me, but every report I read is about how rocky it is and how miserable the 2 night experience is.So I'm just a bit confused, as you (@SFBayDuck) ran a race out East, @BassNBrew commented about wanting to run out West but not being a fan of the 6pm start of your race out East, and then you provided some insight about running out West. BNB, I'm guessing you know that his 6pm start race was out East? So if you're looking out West I can offer my take on the terrain, assuming Duck can confirm that RdL is similar to a lot of the other trails out West because that's the only running I've done out that way.
The RdL course was highly runnable...I honestly don't recall any roots, there was lots of nicely groomed single track trail, and the sections that had rocks (from what I can recall) were pretty well isolated to a couple spots covering not a lot of distance. Duck referenced the "Meat Grinder," which was a hilly ~4mile section with a fair amount of rocks/boulders and rolling hills. But I think the nickname exaggerates the difficulty.
I know a guy from MN going out there to run RdL this year, and I've basically told him that it's a "runners 100" because it caters well to those who want a trail race but have some wheels to really let loose and run without worrying about technicality or too much climbing. I'd consider myself more of a grinder, so technical trails (such as at Superior) are a better fit for me in terms of just trying to outwork more talented runners. But Duck's description of his Grindstone experience has me wanting to avoid that one.
congrats 
