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I am not surprised that you’re tired, it appears as though you set a mileage PR in January and you’re on pace to match that this month in 28 days. You’re pretty much running double the miles you averaged the year before with 3 SOS runs a week.
This sounds like classic over training. When everything is hard, harder than it should be, chances are you are over doing it.
That's the problem I think. I'm having a hard time pulling deep breaths, and as the workout goes on I can't get into any breathing rhythm at all. In the past this really hasn't been a problem - I get into a groove and everything just feels right. But man it's so hard this time. I feel like the breathing part is where I'm feeling it. My legs feel pretty good, my HR is seemingly where it needs to be, but I just can't get comfortable.
And this may be it. One of the things I gathered from the Hanson book is that heart rate is important but it's also important to train by a pace that coincides with your goal. I've already backed this down once. And maybe my goal is just too ambitious. But to me, there is no reason that if I can be around 1:50 on a HM that I can't run a marathon in less than 4 hours. I know it would be close, but I could have a realistic chance with proper training.
I’m not the running expert here. I’ll leave that to the BMFs.
I think it's important to get a few weeks of marathon training quantity (or at least 90ish%) in the build up to the start of the program.
This part jumps out at me as a big "NO". Trying to ramp up both at the same time can get you into trouble. I was listening to Billy Yang's most recent podcast with coach Jason Koop this morning, and Koop talked about this specifically. It's where periodization comes in. When you're ramping up volume, intensity drops. When you're ramping up intensity, volume plateaus or even drops.
I can't find the posting of SteveC that I saved where he looks at HM/marathon PRs. He looked at PRs for top marathoners and then for several of the guys in this thread. Maybe someone with better search skills can find it. As I recall, the elites had a ratio of about 2.2 ...marathon PR / HM PR = ~ 2.2. (That 2.2 is the key.) Again, as I recall, our ratios were something more than 2.2 as we had more of a dropoff. (E.g., my marathon and HM PRs yield a ratio of 2.3.) Chief, a 1:50 HR (110 minutes) times 2.2 is a 242 minute marathon (4:02). Sub-4:00 is doable, because you are a BMF. But it won't come easy! Moral of the story, I'd say, is don't get frustrated with your training as you strive for that goal.
That's it! Thanks, @bushdocda. So 2.1 is the elite standard. As Steve notes, 2.15-2.25 is a fair target.
@ChiefD - as you probably know, I’m a Hanson guy. If this is your first time, then this is somewhat normal.
agreed on all.
There will, just may not be soon. Nothing wrong with that either.agreed on all.
First time through Hanson's, I loved it and it worked.
Second time
We'll see if there's a 3rd time.
Interesting - I’ve always assumed the hardcore folks in here do this because they enjoy it/love it and as a hobby more than because they are trying to be healthy. Not that you can’t accomplish some level of both - just struck me as odd. Would be a good pole.
Maybe, it's a bit of both really.
That's pretty much it.
Maybe. I'm not ruling it out, but if I were to choose my future races right now, to include when there's time to train right, the only running races longer than 13.1 include a swim and bike or a trail.
Holy... How tall are you?That's pretty much it.
Been going to sleep at 8:30 or 9:00 most nights. Check.
Hardly drinking at all. Check.
Eating well. Check.
I'm down to 146 pounds, which is one pound lighter than my race day weight last marathon cycle. So I'll probably be down to 143 or 144 by race day. I can see my abs again. Pretty cool.
It was ironic to me for two reasons:
The health thing is definitely a big one for me.
I’m not sure enjoying/loving it is accurate. At least, not on a day-to-day basis. Let’s face it, running usually isn’t fun and is sometimes dreadful. For the “hardcore folks” it’s also going to mean altering sleep schedule, impacting social life (“no, I’m not going out drinking tonight. I have to run 20 miles tomorrow morning), being tired a lot, dealing with nagging injuries, etc.
One of those cheap knit gloves you can buy at wal-mart for 1.00 a pair. Took it out of my wife's coat pocket. Gonna put it back and not gonna tell her for a few days.
Each one of us is on different ends of the spectrum and it changes depending on our short term goals. I think I'm more on the health end of the curve, but the portion of the year in which I'm training for a goal race I veer towards the hobby/competitive end. That isnt right now though.
This link seems to provide a way to do it the tech route. I’d just go with creating a new manual combined activity and deleting the 2 unless something specific in the workout would be lost.
I’d venture to guess that some in here may see me as “hardcore”. I’ll say @Juxtatarot describes my thinking perfectly above.
I think most of us had bouts of poor health at one time. Running played a role in the correction, so that's the sustainable habit we stick with after getting to where want to be. Or at least, closer.
