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Juxtatarot said:
I'm seriously considering shutting down running for a few weeks.  Stupid abdominal pain isn't going away.  I'm 90% sure this is caused by tightness in the lower back, ###, hips and hamstrings.  I've started watching YouTube yoga sessions and starting following along at home.  Maybe I'll do these and various stretches every morning.  I already wake up crazy early anyway.

Although I promise this won't make me skip the relay, I'm warning you I'm not going to be at peak fitness.
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Shutting down for a few weeks is a real delight.  Trust me. 

 
Zasada said:
Meanwhile in Canada, WU is forecasting 12cm (5") of snow on Saturday.   :rant:
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It hit 90 for the first time this season here today and yesterday.  That's unseasonably warm, and I'm sure hoping it's temporary and returns to normal by next weekend.....

 
Juxtatarot said:
I'm seriously considering shutting down running for a few weeks.  Stupid abdominal pain isn't going away.  I'm 90% sure this is caused by tightness in the lower back, ###, hips and hamstrings.  I've started watching YouTube yoga sessions and starting following along at home.  Maybe I'll do these and various stretches every morning.  I already wake up crazy early anyway.

Although I promise this won't make me skip the relay, I'm warning you I'm not going to be at peak fitness.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOTvaRaDjI

This has been a huge help for me.

 
gianmarco said:
Next week, I do the same thing (10 x 400s).  Each week for the next 6 weeks I alternate between the 200s and 400s.  It says I should run the 400's at a mile race pace, so for me that's maybe 6:30-6:45ish, but I'll aim for a bit faster (between :92 and :95), which would put me right around the same as you (:92 is 6:10 pace).  But, I'll probably do a 400m walk/jog between rep.

I'll see how the first one goes, though, and adjust accordingly.

Of note, I felt fantastic this morning.  Legs had some pop in them even for an easy run.  I actually think it's some residual effect from the beet juice, to be honest.  I didn't take it this morning, but I'm going to start each day through Sunday when I'll take a double prior to the race. 
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Dat's a lot of 400s for the first time doing speed work.  You're right to do full lap rest intervals.

 
gianmarco said:
####, I might even sign up.
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As much as I'll enjoy peer pressuring you into popping your full marathon cherry I think you'd be making a major mistake picking one in spring.  The 224 miles you put down in Dec 18 - Feb 19 was a big step up from the 158 you put up Dec 17-Feb 18, but it's still nowhere near enough to prepare for a full.  

Your thinking about it given your last 2 months makes a ton of sense as your one run away from matching your output from the prior 3 months - and April 18 was the most miles you've ever done in any given month.  You're clearly on your A game in Spring, so it's too bad May's probably not a great time to target a full.  But what about the other Indy marathon? or something later in November? Base build late spring/early summer then get into your program when summer reaches it's peak BUT the meat of the training schedule will (hopefully) be as conditions become more conducive to training.

Just something to chew on - it's one thing to just move for a few miles at a time in winter.  Training amidst it is a totally different animal, especially if you've never done a full program before.

 
MAC_32 said:
As much as I'll enjoy peer pressuring you into popping your full marathon cherry I think you'd be making a major mistake picking one in spring.  The 224 miles you put down in Dec 18 - Feb 19 was a big step up from the 158 you put up Dec 17-Feb 18, but it's still nowhere near enough to prepare for a full.  

Your thinking about it given your last 2 months makes a ton of sense as your one run away from matching your output from the prior 3 months - and April 18 was the most miles you've ever done in any given month.  You're clearly on your A game in Spring, so it's too bad May's probably not a great time to target a full.  But what about the other Indy marathon? or something later in November? Base build late spring/early summer then get into your program when summer reaches it's peak BUT the meat of the training schedule will (hopefully) be as conditions become more conducive to training.

Just something to chew on - it's one thing to just move for a few miles at a time in winter.  Training amidst it is a totally different animal, especially if you've never done a full program before.
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I was posting about it because it's $44, not because of what I've done.  It was mostly a joke, though, for the reasons you already laid out.  I have no interest in training for a marathon over winter.  More importantly, I'm not signing up for something that far in advance without knowing a scheduled time I can commit for training. 

If/when I decide to finally try a marathon, the ones I've been targeting at this point are either the one @JShare87 ran in Washington in July (Jack and Jill) both because I could do spring training and it's a downhill marathon OR a marathon back in Florida (Disney Marathon) in December/January when I can do fall training but not have to race in winter conditions while also being flat.

 
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gianmarco said:
I was posting about it because it's $44, not because of what I've done.  It was mostly a joke, though, for the reasons you already laid out.  I have no interest in training for a marathon over winter.  More importantly, I'm not signing up for something that far in advance without knowing a scheduled time I can commit for training. 

If/when I decide to finally try a marathon, the ones I've been targeting at this point are either the one @JShare87 ran in Washington (Jack and Jill) both because I could do spring training and it's a downhill marathon OR a marathon back in Florida (Disney Marathon) in December/January when I can do fall training but not have to race in winter conditions while also being flat.
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ChiefD said:
If you sign up and run this thing I'm in.
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I take this back. 

 
gianmarco said:
Florida (Disney Marathon) in December/January when I can do fall training but not have to race in winter conditions while also being flat.
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A part of me wishes the logistics worked for me to do this race.  It's always one week too late.  But not doing it saves us thousands of dollars, so it's probably a good thing.

 
gianmarco said:
I was posting about it because it's $44, not because of what I've done.  It was mostly a joke, though, for the reasons you already laid out.  I have no interest in training for a marathon over winter.  More importantly, I'm not signing up for something that far in advance without knowing a scheduled time I can commit for training. 

If/when I decide to finally try a marathon, the ones I've been targeting at this point are either the one @JShare87 ran in Washington in July (Jack and Jill) both because I could do spring training and it's a downhill marathon OR a marathon back in Florida (Disney Marathon) in December/January when I can do fall training but not have to race in winter conditions while also being flat.
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whew! I feel less pressure now!

 
Juxtatarot said:
Done.  That was hard the first time.  I didn’t do everything right. Legs were shaking, particularly near the end. I’ll add that to the rotation. Thanks.
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I've been doing it for about a month now on a pretty regular basis.  My lower back pain is completely gone.  I still have the outside back/hip/glute pain.  The thing I really like about it is that you roll right through the exercise without wasting time changing positions.  I think it will do wonders for the hamstrings too.

It doesn't get any easier because you get better at doing everything thing.

 
gianmarco said:
I was posting about it because it's $44, not because of what I've done.  It was mostly a joke, though, for the reasons you already laid out.  I have no interest in training for a marathon over winter.  More importantly, I'm not signing up for something that far in advance without knowing a scheduled time I can commit for training. 

If/when I decide to finally try a marathon, the ones I've been targeting at this point are either the one @JShare87 ran in Washington in July (Jack and Jill) both because I could do spring training and it's a downhill marathon OR a marathon back in Florida (Disney Marathon) in December/January when I can do fall training but not have to race in winter conditions while also being flat.
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When you sign up for one of the two you mentioned, I will 100% join you. 

 
gianmarco said:
I'm sure @SFBayDuck has seen this, but just saw this and thought it's worth the watch.

How One Wrong Turn Changed Jim Walmsley's Career
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Yeah, that’s a good one. I was pacing my buddy Surf that year, and by the time we got to that turn several hours later they had ribbon hung all the way across the fire road going straight to make sure nobody else missed that slight left turn onto the single track  

The one time I met Walmsley was at an aid station at Hardrock a few weeks afterward. He may have been getting more than a little #### from those hanging out there. 

 
Just looked at my starva page for the first time in ages.  I've got 45 outdoor training miles and 166 outdoor racing miles.  :lmao:

 
SFBayDuck said:
I know for most of you heat acclimation just means running in the out of doors between May and September, but this is still a good article on the science and methods by David Roche.  And it’s worth reading just for this line about why so many runners struggled at Boston this year:  “The even easier answer is that road marathons are designed by the Devil to remind us of the futility of our striving.”
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Thanks for posting this Duck.

 
Juxtatarot said:
I'm seriously considering shutting down running for a few weeks.  Stupid abdominal pain isn't going away.  I'm 90% sure this is caused by tightness in the lower back, ###, hips and hamstrings.  I've started watching YouTube yoga sessions and starting following along at home.  Maybe I'll do these and various stretches every morning.  I already wake up crazy early anyway.

Although I promise this won't make me skip the relay, I'm warning you I'm not going to be at peak fitness.
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interesting that you had to shut down running shortly after trying beet juice and installing Klimat app.  

 
Juxtatarot said:
The powers of those probably extended things about a month.  And I haven't had beet juice since March 30.
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That reminds me... I started having hip problems shortly after running out of spicy pickled asparagus... maybe I need to stop at the store on the way home...

In all seriousness, went to the massage therapist here at work yesterday and she worked the crap out of my hips. They feel better than they have in a long time but man was there a little torture going on in that session!

 
SFBayDuck said:
I know for most of you heat acclimation just means running in the out of doors between May and September, but this is still a good article on the science and methods by David Roche.  And it’s worth reading just for this line about why so many runners struggled at Boston this year:  “The even easier answer is that road marathons are designed by the Devil to remind us of the futility of our striving.”
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Can't say it enough - practicing in the extremes will benefit race day.  If you retreat indoors when conditions are suboptimal then you are more likely to fail if raceday weather goes sideways. 

My hatred of the dreadmill is well documented, but my avoidance of it is at least partially fueled by this.  The extremes of the extremes should be avoided.  No benefit to running in a thunder or snow/ice storm nor triple digit temps, but high winds and rain in the 30's? sunny in the 80's and 90's? humid in the 70's and 80's? post snow fall with some icier (but at least somewhat treated) patches? Etc. Hell yeah.  I get it - it's uncomfortable.  And it's a deal breaker for many.  Exercising in a controlled environment is better than not exercising at all.  But I think your ceiling is capped if you don't break out of that comfort zone.

As the years went by I thought I'd be tempted to switch to summer mornings at some point, but I think weather is going to keep me in the afternoon/evening. Masochist? Yeah, probably.  But I think extra rest and a more uncomfortable workout will enhance performance.

 
MAC_32 said:
Can't say it enough - practicing in the extremes will benefit race day.  If you retreat indoors when conditions are suboptimal then you are more likely to fail if raceday weather goes sideways. 

My hatred of the dreadmill is well documented, but my avoidance of it is at least partially fueled by this.  The extremes of the extremes should be avoided.  No benefit to running in a thunder or snow/ice storm nor triple digit temps, but high winds and rain in the 30's? sunny in the 80's and 90's? humid in the 70's and 80's? post snow fall with some icier (but at least somewhat treated) patches? Etc. Hell yeah.  I get it - it's uncomfortable.  And it's a deal breaker for many.  Exercising in a controlled environment is better than not exercising at all.  But I think your ceiling is capped if you don't break out of that comfort zone.

As the years went by I thought I'd be tempted to switch to summer mornings at some point, but I think weather is going to keep me in the afternoon/evening. Masochist? Yeah, probably.  But I think extra rest and a more uncomfortable workout will enhance performance.
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meh...

Mud on the trail...treadmill and gym bike.

Chill in the air...treadmill and gym bike.

Too dark...treadmill and gym bike.

Rain falling...treadmill and gym bike.

Mist in the air...treadmill and gym bike.

Game on TV...treadmill and gym bike.

Sniffle or boo boo...treadmill and gym bike.

Ventured outside two evenings ago for a change of pace and jogged though cob webs and swallowed swarming gnats...should have been on the treadmill and gym bike. 

In all seriousness, I'll be transitioning to outdoor runs in preparation for Burning River and following your approach above.

 
MAC_32 said:
Can't say it enough - practicing in the extremes will benefit race day.  If you retreat indoors when conditions are suboptimal then you are more likely to fail if raceday weather goes sideways. 

My hatred of the dreadmill is well documented, but my avoidance of it is at least partially fueled by this.  The extremes of the extremes should be avoided.  No benefit to running in a thunder or snow/ice storm nor triple digit temps, but high winds and rain in the 30's? sunny in the 80's and 90's? humid in the 70's and 80's? post snow fall with some icier (but at least somewhat treated) patches? Etc. Hell yeah.  I get it - it's uncomfortable.  And it's a deal breaker for many.  Exercising in a controlled environment is better than not exercising at all.  But I think your ceiling is capped if you don't break out of that comfort zone.

As the years went by I thought I'd be tempted to switch to summer mornings at some point, but I think weather is going to keep me in the afternoon/evening. Masochist? Yeah, probably.  But I think extra rest and a more uncomfortable workout will enhance performance.
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Yup.  Sure, keep most of your quality workouts in as optimal conditions as possible so that you get in the work in you're aiming for.  But if the conditions on race day might suck, you'd better have practiced embracing the suck beforehand.

 
SFBayDuck said:
I know for most of you heat acclimation just means running in the out of doors between May and September, but this is still a good article on the science and methods by David Roche.  And it’s worth reading just for this line about why so many runners struggled at Boston this year:  “The even easier answer is that road marathons are designed by the Devil to remind us of the futility of our striving.”
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Really interesting stuff.  Thanks!
 

 
gruecd said:
I'm signed up for that one already, too...
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I will be. Actually just tried to click it now and remember why I'm not... something on the site is causing the work firewall to block the registration page. I need to remember to do that when I get home - pretty sure there is a price increase sometime in the next week or 2.

Had first delayed for 2 reasons... 1 is that day is actually my daughter's birthday. Had to clear it with the family. The other was talking myself into doing the full, which I still second guess a little but figure if I don't do it this November, then when will I do it? 

I'll definitely sign up this weekend. 

 
gruecd said:
I'm signed up for that one already, too...
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Just talked about this one with the wife after just looking it up. She said for her to do a marathon it needs to be cold (~40) and flat. This one fits the bill. I can't imagine weather being a factor for this. @MAC_32

We won't do it this year, but it's definitely in play for next year.

 
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gianmarco said:
Just talked about this one with the wife after just looking it up. She said for her to do a marathon it needs to be cold (~40) and flat. This one fits the bill. I can't imagine weather being a factor for this. @MAC_32

We won't do it this year, but it's definitely in play for next year.
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pshaw! 2019 is a great year! Let's go, man!

 
ChiefD said:
Hmmmm, maybe I should sign up for the Monumental.
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Warning... It does go through what I would consider to be one of the worlds first roundabouts... Wasn't really designed with that purpose, but that is essentially what Monument Circle is in the heart of Indy...

 
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