SteelCurtain
Footballguy
This doesn’t jive. Are you using a HR from a wrist watch? Those are notoriously inaccurate.
i wear a chest strap and that is the most accurate way to get a HR.
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i wear a chest strap and that is the most accurate way to get a HR.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
2019 Year-end Report
Your goals coming into the year, and were they achieved?
My year-end report will be a little different than most. I was not a runner prior to 2018, at least not on any consistent basis in the last 15 years and really not then. Many long-time posters will know that I’ve been in and out of this thread some (mostly out) and when I did come in I would mention that when I was 29-31 I did some running and tri races. After those few races I then spent most of the next 10 years getting fat. A few years back I started having some health issues due to my fatassedness (is that a word?) and I spent the next few years yo-yo’ing gaining and losing lots of weight – most of the time losing during Fatballguys challenges.
In 2018, after I had lost a lot of the weight (again) I wanted to start ramping up my workouts and begin running again. I started in October and did a couple runs (really jogs) a week but they were not very far, and they were SLOW - typically 12-14-minute miles. I never did more than 2 runs in a week but even that seems like it was too much stress and that's when I did something to my leg. I tried to scale back as I didn't think I was hurt badly, and I would go out once a week but it would be the same thing - leg didn't feel right. Finally broke down and went to the ortho in December and then did PT for the next couple of months. That was super frustrating as I was just trying to finally get in to running on a permanent basis and then that happens.
I shut things down for about 6 weeks and finally went out for a run end of January and then another the next week. Same thing, leg just didn’t feel right - I was pissed and feeling sorry for myself. Decided it wasn't worth hurting it worse, so I shut it down and kept doing rehab and then started hiking and walking to help strengthen it. Took 3 more months off and finally in May I started feeling like I could get out. My first two runs were 2.5 and 3 miles at 15:00/mi pace. That's glacially slow but I can remember that my leg didn't feel any worse, so I was ready to get back at it and in my hopes finally become a consistent runner.
I could go on and on about the 7-8 months since (and I may later) but the long and the short of it is you guys have motivated me more than you can imagine. And now I'm sitting here with 12 days left in the year having run 762 miles (and I WILL get to 800). That would have gotten me to 1200 miles over the full year. I did 62 miles in 2018. Was my goal achieved in 2018? You better damn believe it.
New accomplishments or PRs in 2019:
Honestly, just about everything I do ends up being a new accomplishment or something I’ve never done before – here’s a few:
Only did one race so this is an easy choice for me. Entered the very small 10k trail adventure run and managed to win my age group – 8:47/mi. pace which was a good time for me but that was with a 9:50 mile thrown in as we had to run straight up a hill through the woods with no trail. If I had to pick my best mile all year it may have been that one.
A race or training disappointment during 2019:
Nothing really comes to mind unless you count my leg still not being 100%. The good news/bad news on that front is this tells me that it’s almost definitely a nerve issue as it’s good enough to put up the volume and times that I’m doing without any real pain. However, I have no clue how to “fix” and I know it is somewhat limiting me.
Total training volume during 2019:
Goal(s) for 2020:
Your goals coming into the year, and were they achieved?
My year-end report will be a little different than most. I was not a runner prior to 2018, at least not on any consistent basis in the last 15 years and really not then. Many long-time posters will know that I’ve been in and out of this thread some (mostly out) and when I did come in I would mention that when I was 29-31 I did some running and tri races. After those few races I then spent most of the next 10 years getting fat. A few years back I started having some health issues due to my fatassedness (is that a word?) and I spent the next few years yo-yo’ing gaining and losing lots of weight – most of the time losing during Fatballguys challenges.
In 2018, after I had lost a lot of the weight (again) I wanted to start ramping up my workouts and begin running again. I started in October and did a couple runs (really jogs) a week but they were not very far, and they were SLOW - typically 12-14-minute miles. I never did more than 2 runs in a week but even that seems like it was too much stress and that's when I did something to my leg. I tried to scale back as I didn't think I was hurt badly, and I would go out once a week but it would be the same thing - leg didn't feel right. Finally broke down and went to the ortho in December and then did PT for the next couple of months. That was super frustrating as I was just trying to finally get in to running on a permanent basis and then that happens.
I shut things down for about 6 weeks and finally went out for a run end of January and then another the next week. Same thing, leg just didn’t feel right - I was pissed and feeling sorry for myself. Decided it wasn't worth hurting it worse, so I shut it down and kept doing rehab and then started hiking and walking to help strengthen it. Took 3 more months off and finally in May I started feeling like I could get out. My first two runs were 2.5 and 3 miles at 15:00/mi pace. That's glacially slow but I can remember that my leg didn't feel any worse, so I was ready to get back at it and in my hopes finally become a consistent runner.
I could go on and on about the 7-8 months since (and I may later) but the long and the short of it is you guys have motivated me more than you can imagine. And now I'm sitting here with 12 days left in the year having run 762 miles (and I WILL get to 800). That would have gotten me to 1200 miles over the full year. I did 62 miles in 2018. Was my goal achieved in 2018? You better damn believe it.
New accomplishments or PRs in 2019:
Honestly, just about everything I do ends up being a new accomplishment or something I’ve never done before – here’s a few:
- Ran a 10k race – my first one ever
- Back in October I ran 15 miles @ 9:31; ran 8.5 miles @ 8:31 last week
- Since the middle of August, I’ve pretty consistently ran between 25-30 miles per week. Prior to 2019 I’m not sure I had many (or any) 30 mile weeks
- In July I did a 20 mile “run” – was slow but I finished!
Only did one race so this is an easy choice for me. Entered the very small 10k trail adventure run and managed to win my age group – 8:47/mi. pace which was a good time for me but that was with a 9:50 mile thrown in as we had to run straight up a hill through the woods with no trail. If I had to pick my best mile all year it may have been that one.
A race or training disappointment during 2019:
Nothing really comes to mind unless you count my leg still not being 100%. The good news/bad news on that front is this tells me that it’s almost definitely a nerve issue as it’s good enough to put up the volume and times that I’m doing without any real pain. However, I have no clue how to “fix” and I know it is somewhat limiting me.
Total training volume during 2019:
- Distance - 762.4 mi.; Time - 172h 12m; Elevation Gain - 59,642 ft; Runs - 140
- Again, 2018 was 62 miles
- I can do more than I think I can.
- I HAVE to hydrate and stretch to be successful
- Running is addictive
- I absolutely LOVED following the relay race that guys did. The whole thing was just so awesome to follow along.
- I think I said this to another poster who came in as kind of a new poster in the thread but I don’t think some of you appreciate how awesome and talented this group is. You guys put up some amazing times/results. It’s very motivating but also very intimidating to someone like me who was basically just starting out. You guys have been kind and patient with my dumb questions and even dumber jokes.
- I wasn’t going to mention folks by name because I don’t want to leave anyone out but there are a few that stand out to me:
Funny - @MAC_32 and his insane speed with a dum-dum hanging out of his mouth
- Wonderful - @TripleThreat and his marathon in honor of his Dad
- Jaw Dropping – @SayWhat? and his insane ultra time
Goal(s) for 2020:
- Maintain my current weight and fitness for the whole year
- Continue consistent running and building a base – get to at least 1,000 miles
- Run a 5k, 10k and a half (I don't even really have times in mind right now)
- Do at least one Sprint Tri and if I’m healthy and feeling up to it maybe the entire series at our local state parks. Tris are so much fun.
- Ideally I would say get my knee 100% but I’m just not sure what the future holds there
gianmarco
Footballguy
@AAABatteries, if you already threw down an 8.5 mile run at 8:30 pace that wasn't even a race, then I think you need to readjust your HM goal pace, IMO. That's not far off my 15K race pace up until this year.
I would think an 8:15 HM pace would be on the conservative side and you can probably target even faster. Perhaps start there with paces calculated and reassess in a few weeks.
I would think an 8:15 HM pace would be on the conservative side and you can probably target even faster. Perhaps start there with paces calculated and reassess in a few weeks.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Yea, Iguana alluded to that earlier too. My personality is being risk-adverse so I think that's where it's coming from. But it's also not really knowing what I'm capable of and worried about injury. I've started this McMillan plan and so far it's had a weird effect on my psyche. The runs have almost become a competition in my mind and quite frankly, I love it. I nailed the first workout with speed intervals and then because I was sick early in the week I tried to do the second workout the next day and my legs couldn't do it. Not really sure where I'm going with this other than to say you guys have me hooked on this and I will be tweaking things as I go along. I definitely think you are right and 9:07 pace should probably by my B or C goal.
The Iguana
Footballguy
C goal, IMO - i.e. worst case scenario is make sure you finish under 2 hours. A/B goals TBD, IMO - depends on your confidence level and how much the bolded drives you. That's exactly the thing that goes on in my mind. It's a matter of figuring out what targets are realistic and then going for it. If you are anything like me, then clicking this link means you will stare at that thing too much trying to decide how far up that chart you can realistically push yourself.
You don't have to set the definitive goal yet, IMO. But it did help me to pick a time that seemed unrealistic and work toward it. I have surprised myself by being able to meet those goals more often than not. My first HM I only sort of had goals cause I really had a short time to get ready so it was mostly trying to finish. For the first HM that I actually had a time goal for 8:00 min/mile or sub 1:45 ended up being my goal. That seemed like a pipe dream when I set it but I was able to do it at Carmel. Let me see if I can find/bump a couple posts from it.
gianmarco
Footballguy
9:07 shouldn't be a goal at all. You could do the run you did last week and run the remaining < 5 miles at 9:30 pace and beat that goal.
You just basically did a 15K at 8:30 pace. Calculator says you can do a HM at 8:37 pace. That's considering
1) You've already run over the HM distance so that's not an issue
2) The above isn't race effort
3) The above is without a full training cycle.
Your C goal should be no lower than 8:37. I'm convinced you could go out and run that today if you wanted to.
The Iguana
Footballguy
<1:45 next May...
1:45
Crazy?
Shortly after completing my first HM with minimal prep in 2:10, I posted the "invisitext" of targeting 1:45 for the next one (Originally early may but ended up doing Carmel at the end of March first). I wanted to kick @gruecd for making it sound like it should be easy. I ended up going into Carmel with A/B/C goals of sub 1:45, 1:50ish? and sub 2 hours. It was far from easy but was a very satisfying 1:44:08 finish.
@AAABatteries - you easily have the talent to target something in that area +/- given that you have a plenty of time to train for it. Just depends on your confidence level and goals.
The Iguana
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'm actually not. I'm not setting an A goal for him. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he throws down a sub 8 minute pace, but let him get there on his own (and with @MAC_32).
I'm adjusting his low end because he's already shown he's better than that. 15 miles at 9:30 already. Almost 9 miles at 8:30. Unless he was dying at the end of that run (and his last mile of 7:45 says otherwise), he could go out today and run an 8:45 HM in his sleep.
If he's doing race calculations on 9:07, he's completely underestimating his potential.
I don't think that's aggressive at all. And I'll let him set his top end.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Thanks guys - it gives me confidence that you guys have more faith in me than maybe I have in myself. I'm going to spend the rest of 2019 thinking about it and will maybe have a new target in January.
The Iguana
Footballguy
I agree with absolutely everything you say above. But that isn't to say you don't like to set the bar high for others. That also isn't to say you set the bar at unreachable levels. Again, I like it. But there is a tough balance to walk between encouraging folks to stretch themselves while not making the thing intimidating and/or potential to push oneself toward injury.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
So, I talked to a buddy of mine yesterday who ran track at Duke - said he ran a pretty hilly full in Maine not too long ago. His joking plan was to go sub-3:00 and then never run again in his life. He did like 3:07 and got his 2021 BQ - I told him he has to do that. We used to go on runs 15 years ago and I was always blown away at what he was capable of - I know he's a BMF and a lot of you guys match him or best him.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Good call. You have a ton of potential. Just a matter of proving to yourself you can do it, IMO. You have to be ready to meet the challenges you put before yourself. You know what you want to get out of this so that really should dictate your goals more than anything. This community is great for helping you to push yourself to find new heights and stretch your limits but has to be done within the framework of what YOU want to accomplish - if that all makes sense.
For the record, that's part of the reason a lot of my training up to this point has involved long runs that are faster than everyone thinks I should do them. It's sound training advice that long runs at a slower pace is doing specific things for you but for me there has been this huge boost mentally to go prove to myself what is possible so I could try to push further. Actually hoping to be able to trust the training more as I move forward. I've proven there are some things I can do. Now trying to more closely listen to and follow proven training methods seems like a pretty smart move to see how those things can benefit me to get better.
ChiefD
Footballguy
@AAABatteries - so much to like about your report. But the one thing that really jumps out to me is this:
You have turned a corner in your life. Meaning, running is now a lifestyle for you. You've turned that big ship around and are now pointing in a positive direction for you. This is the hardest thing for a human being to accomplish.
We get stuck in our ways and motivation goes to zero. Lord knows I'm going through it right now. But when I started this 7 years ago, I turned that ship. And that's why I still slog out there, because I don't want that ship to turn back around to how I used to be.
So you have accomplished something really major in 2019. Things are only going to go up and up for you from this point forward.
Congrats man. It's awesome to see.
You have turned a corner in your life. Meaning, running is now a lifestyle for you. You've turned that big ship around and are now pointing in a positive direction for you. This is the hardest thing for a human being to accomplish.
We get stuck in our ways and motivation goes to zero. Lord knows I'm going through it right now. But when I started this 7 years ago, I turned that ship. And that's why I still slog out there, because I don't want that ship to turn back around to how I used to be.
So you have accomplished something really major in 2019. Things are only going to go up and up for you from this point forward.
Congrats man. It's awesome to see.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I posted that email about the relay here in St. Louis more as a "btw" thing but it seems there is actually some interest. However, I realized it's 1 1/2 months before the marathon and would in the halfway point of the plan. The Higdon plan I'm looking at says I should race a HM around that time anyway. Is doing this thing a good idea? Bad idea? Doesn't matter. I'll probably do it anyway, but curious if I need to think on this more carefully.....
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Well, besides @Juxtatarot being right...you're starting the Higdon plan more than a month before you need to anyway, so you'll have plenty of room to fit it in.
ChiefD
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Alright, so here goes.....
2020 St. Louis Relay folks --
-- @SteelCurtain
-- @Zasada
-- @The Iguana
-- @ChiefD
-- @gianmarco
-- @gianmarco's wife ??
We've got a couple weeks before the deadline to get priority registration. Also, with the ability to do 3, 6, and 9 man teams, there's some potential to set things up in a variety of ways.
2020 St. Louis Relay folks --
-- @SteelCurtain
-- @Zasada
-- @The Iguana
-- @ChiefD
-- @gianmarco
-- @gianmarco's wife ??
We've got a couple weeks before the deadline to get priority registration. Also, with the ability to do 3, 6, and 9 man teams, there's some potential to set things up in a variety of ways.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I agree with everything all 3 of you (Iggy, Gian, AAA) are saying. Just keep the quoted in mind, @AAABatteries. Risk adverse, especially early in the cycle, is a smart decision. But if the accumulating miles aren't getting to you...if your legs are behaving themselves...challenge yourself. Go further than you're currently comfortable...go harder than you're currently comfortable. I think you'll surprise yourself, but you gotta get there first. Good luck walking the tight rope.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Thanks GB - I know I focused on it some in my report and I've posted about it some in this thread and a LOT in some others threads. My life is very, very different - my current frame was carrying a small middle school aged child around on my back for years (85 lbs.). It may be another year or two before my body adapts to being this size. I don't take anything for granted and honestly running and running "faster" is just icing on the cake for me. I'm really excited for 2020 to see where I can push myself.@AAABatteries - so much to like about your report. But the one thing that really jumps out to me is this:
You have turned a corner in your life. Meaning, running is now a lifestyle for you. You've turned that big ship around and are now pointing in a positive direction for you. This is the hardest thing for a human being to accomplish.
We get stuck in our ways and motivation goes to zero. Lord knows I'm going through it right now. But when I started this 7 years ago, I turned that ship. And that's why I still slog out there, because I don't want that ship to turn back around to how I used to be.
So you have accomplished something really major in 2019. Things are only going to go up and up for you from this point forward.
Congrats man. It's awesome to see.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
In solidarity with my GB GianNinja, I'm not going to give your post a laughing reaction but rest assured I chuckled at this.
ChiefD
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
It would be pretty freaking cool if we could get 2 teams of folks to do it, IMO. That is said as one that still has to figure out if I can realistically juggle everything that is going on around that time.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Zasada
Footballguy
Quick running update.
I've started to get my volume back up after my "November off". Strava Summit now has a fitness score (it's like they know exactly how to push my buttons). Before I started taking time off, I peaked at "99". Through November, I dropped to 71, a low not seen since May of this year. :(
I've got my volume back up to about 65kmpw (40mpw), and have dragged my fitness score back up to 92. I definitely think that's exaggerating, but if it gets measured, #######it, I'm going to manage to it!
Butt has been pretty sore, but I'm just starting to get used to running through the pain. Did some intervals yesterday on the punishment device. First time running any meaningful kms sub-5:00/km (sub-8:00/mi) since the HM back in Nov. Butt is really feeling it today (sitting on an airplane for six hours yesterday didn't help, either).
Still trying to get in to see a doctor about my butt, but a combination of work, travel, procrastination, and the clinic not calling me back
, I'm still not making any progress there.
Anyways, this was a lot of nothing, but I appreciate the opportunity to share. It's nice to get the mileage back up, but I don't think I'm in a position to run the full marathon in Houston a month from now. The entry fee is paid, and can't be deferred, but as of this moment, I'm not racing that race. Sigh. Hoping for a miracle that could change my thinking there.
I've started to get my volume back up after my "November off". Strava Summit now has a fitness score (it's like they know exactly how to push my buttons). Before I started taking time off, I peaked at "99". Through November, I dropped to 71, a low not seen since May of this year. :(
I've got my volume back up to about 65kmpw (40mpw), and have dragged my fitness score back up to 92. I definitely think that's exaggerating, but if it gets measured, #######it, I'm going to manage to it!
Butt has been pretty sore, but I'm just starting to get used to running through the pain. Did some intervals yesterday on the punishment device. First time running any meaningful kms sub-5:00/km (sub-8:00/mi) since the HM back in Nov. Butt is really feeling it today (sitting on an airplane for six hours yesterday didn't help, either).
Still trying to get in to see a doctor about my butt, but a combination of work, travel, procrastination, and the clinic not calling me back
, I'm still not making any progress there. Anyways, this was a lot of nothing, but I appreciate the opportunity to share. It's nice to get the mileage back up, but I don't think I'm in a position to run the full marathon in Houston a month from now. The entry fee is paid, and can't be deferred, but as of this moment, I'm not racing that race. Sigh. Hoping for a miracle that could change my thinking there.
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Zasada
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Btw, not sure the interest level from the other OG members, but.....
@JShare87?
@Juxtatarot?
@tri-man 47?
@gruecd?
@Brony?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I'm trying not to commit to anything this spring yet (other than a 5K with my mom) because I'm not sure what my running will be like. Maybe. If I can decide later or be an alternate, I'd prefer that.
JShare87
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
Now you've done it.
She's gonna wonder why these 12 weirdos from the internet showed up to run a 5k with her.
belljr
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
@AAABatteries - this, along with Iggy's comment to gianmarco about not pushing so hard you end up injured again. Don't get pressured to do too much here. We'll gladly support you - and push you - toward the goals you set. But be sure to play it smart and keep the long view in mind.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
And a May 310 relay should work for me since it's not the weekend of Memorial Day. I was eyeing a jump rope tournament that day down in Kissmiassa, but I could pass on that.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
I thought it was down in Saggibalsac. Glad you can join, though!
ETA -- And it's Saturday, May 30th.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
2019 Year-end Report
Your goals coming into the year, and were they achieved?
I declared 2019 the “year of the marathon” since I had signed up for two – Carmel for March and Chicago in October. I didn’t set a specific time goal but pledged to run at least once a day through Chicago. I assumed that if I did that, everything else would take care of itself.
I didn’t make it through January.
New accomplishments or PRs in 2019:
Carmel Marathon: 2:55:37
Your proudest and/or best race (or moment within a race):
In retrospect, I think I’m more pleased about getting sub 3:00 at Chicago. I almost quit training multiple times last summer since I was struggling with injuries and never really felt 100%. I really only faded in the last mile or so when the wind gusts were terrible. It was a very good performance and tactically well run under the circumstances.
A race or training disappointment during 2019:
My half marathon in September. I was with the leaders through maybe 4 miles but couldn’t hang and ended up in 3rd. If I were in top shape, maybe I could have won it.
Total training volume during 2019:
Strava has me at 2,351 right now. That’s down from 2018 (2,757) but I basically took two months off recently.
Lesson(s) you’ve learned during the year:
Even though I still have trouble finishing, I think I have marathons mostly figured out. If I colossally fail, it’s because I did something stupid.
I also managed through tons of midsection injuries. The nice thing about an injury is I learn what to do for the next time if it reoccurs. One of these days, I’ll have had every running injury possible and that will put me in a great position going forward.
Best and/or funny memories of other guys’ training or races in 2019:
Hopefully I’ve kept up with my kudos, comments and well wishes this year and you all know where you stand with me! I love the community here.
Goal(s) for 2020:
Due to taking so much time off I enter the year with my worst heart rate and VO2 Max in a long time. As I mentioned, I’m hesitant to commit to races this spring and just want to see what happens as I base train here for a bit. I doubt I’ll run a marathon but I can see some half marathons in the cards.
Your goals coming into the year, and were they achieved?
I declared 2019 the “year of the marathon” since I had signed up for two – Carmel for March and Chicago in October. I didn’t set a specific time goal but pledged to run at least once a day through Chicago. I assumed that if I did that, everything else would take care of itself.
I didn’t make it through January.
New accomplishments or PRs in 2019:
Carmel Marathon: 2:55:37
Your proudest and/or best race (or moment within a race):
In retrospect, I think I’m more pleased about getting sub 3:00 at Chicago. I almost quit training multiple times last summer since I was struggling with injuries and never really felt 100%. I really only faded in the last mile or so when the wind gusts were terrible. It was a very good performance and tactically well run under the circumstances.
A race or training disappointment during 2019:
My half marathon in September. I was with the leaders through maybe 4 miles but couldn’t hang and ended up in 3rd. If I were in top shape, maybe I could have won it.
Total training volume during 2019:
Strava has me at 2,351 right now. That’s down from 2018 (2,757) but I basically took two months off recently.
Lesson(s) you’ve learned during the year:
Even though I still have trouble finishing, I think I have marathons mostly figured out. If I colossally fail, it’s because I did something stupid.
I also managed through tons of midsection injuries. The nice thing about an injury is I learn what to do for the next time if it reoccurs. One of these days, I’ll have had every running injury possible and that will put me in a great position going forward.
Best and/or funny memories of other guys’ training or races in 2019:
Hopefully I’ve kept up with my kudos, comments and well wishes this year and you all know where you stand with me! I love the community here.
Goal(s) for 2020:
Due to taking so much time off I enter the year with my worst heart rate and VO2 Max in a long time. As I mentioned, I’m hesitant to commit to races this spring and just want to see what happens as I base train here for a bit. I doubt I’ll run a marathon but I can see some half marathons in the cards.
