Ran a 10k - Official Thread (7 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

Hah, my Garmin VO2Max has dropped from 59 to 57 as the weather has warmed-up here in TX.  With the heat driving my HR up during those runs (and thus driving down VO2Max).  Garmin does log temperature in activities, I'm surprised the forumulas don't take temps into account. 

I'm unfamiliar with the formula, but I'm not understanding how my VO2Max went from 59 and 60 day's 1 and 2 of having my watch in January down to 57 for weeks and is just now creeping back to 59. I mean, I kind of understood it in February - cumulative fatigue and consistently poor running conditions. Things have started to click over the last 3 weeks or so though.

 

[Brony]

In.  I like the idea of one in late April; one in late May.  Try a different format for each.  

 

[bushdocda]

I don't know if everyone has access to a track, but 25 laps on a track is a 10K. We wouldn't have to worry about differences in elevation.

That’s too many. I’d rather just run out 3.1 miles and then back. 

 

[ChiefD]

Right now there's 20 people that seem to have put their name in the hat - I took chief's "no" to be an "of course!"

@The Iguana

@Brony

@tri-man 47

@pbm107

@JShare87

@ChiefD

@MAC_32

@SteelCurtain

@gianmarco

@Juxtatarot

@SayWhat?

@Harris

@gruecd

@Dr_Zaius

@Zasada

@El Floppo

@Alex P Keaton

@-OZ-

@JAA

@bushdocda

Who else and/or did I miss anyone?

No.

 

[bushdocda]

I think maybe just limit the elevation to +/- a few hundred feet to normalize that to a large degree. I’d think we’d all know or plan a route that would avoid stops/hills etc so we could validate the elevation gain/loss ahead of time. 

 

[gianmarco]

Oooooh.....

Maybe we should consider doing a few distances. This could be more fun.

Each team gets the following and you can assign however you think it would be best.

1 mile distance (3)

5K distance (3)

10K distance (4)

 

[-OZ-]

I think this is part of the fun. I'm scheduled for a marathon May 17. If somehow it doesn't get cancelled then I'll still participate in this so long as I don't get injured, but it's gonna be a slow Monday jog.

I'll do whatever, but if this is less than 4 days before the 70.3, pick me last.

Alrighty... let's do this thing! I say we do once in April, once in May and see how things go. Everyone gets 1 week to record their time to make it fit in your schedule however you want. Say the week of April 13-19 for competition 1. Then the week of May 18-24th for #2.

Question becomes how to score it and any basic guidelines to fit in - I figure being the "Ran a 10K" thread, a 10K should be the distance - it's not that hard to look at the watch and go an extra .2, IMO. Scoring - combined times or "cross country" style? Maybe both!

Going to look back through and start gathering some names of people that said in and then make a couple people "draw" for teams in some manner.

Categories

1. April race total

2. May race total

3. Average improvement

A few thoughts.

-- If doing this, as it will all be on Strava but in different areas, obviously, we should consider using grade-adjusted-pace vs. being able to choose a downhill run. 

-- Another consideration, especially for motivation, is to have times adjusted to everyone's PR at the 10K distance (understanding that @MAC_32 doesn't have one yet, but that's ok). That can level the playing field a bit and even add some strategy as to who can improve on their time the most.

This sounds... Complicated

 

[MAC_32]

I think maybe just limit the elevation to +/- a few hundred feet to normalize that to a large degree. I’d think we’d all know or plan a route that would avoid stops/hills etc so we could validate the elevation gain/loss ahead of time. 

I'm trying to stay out of coordinating logistics, but along these lines...KISS. Start and finish around the same location, just don't start and finish near a hill you could take advantage of. And if you pick a route that could have you run into traffic problems then c'est la'vie.

 

[Harris]

I'm trying to stay out of coordinating logistics, but...KISS. Start and finish around the same location, just don't start and finish near a hill you could take advantage of. And if you pick a route that could have you run into traffic problems then c'est la'vie.

Agree with this bit. Start and end point should be the same to take the elevation factor nearly out of play. Sure there could be a hill but what goes down must go up as well.

 

[-OZ-]

I think maybe just limit the elevation to +/- a few hundred feet to normalize that to a large degree. I’d think we’d all know or plan a route that would avoid stops/hills etc so we could validate the elevation gain/loss ahead of time. 

Pretty much doesn't matter if you're doing a loop. But yeah, no more than a net drop of X would work. 

Oooooh.....

Maybe we should consider doing a few distances. This could be more fun.

Each team gets the following and you can assign however you think it would be best.

1 mile distance (3)

5K distance (3)

10K distance (4)

We all have varying distances, but in the 10k thread, just sayin', maybe we do 10k

 

[-OZ-]

I'm trying to stay out of coordinating logistics, but...KISS. Start and finish around the same location, just don't start and finish near a hill you could take advantage of. And if you pick a route that could have you run into traffic problems then c'est la'vie.

What's the rule on pausing the watch for traffic. 

Or poop.

 

[Harris]

What's the rule on pausing the watch for traffic. 

Or poop.

So I can't sprint 100m x 100 with a rest in between?? Master plan is ruined.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

We all have varying distances, but in the 10k thread, just sayin', maybe we do 10k

That's a compelling point.  As a counterpoint, 10k's kind of suck. 

That said, I am on board with whatever.

 

[-OZ-]

So I can't sprint 100m x 100 with a rest in between?? Master plan is ruined.

I'd definitely be interested in seeing what this could yield. 

Wouldn't be much better for me than the 10k. If I didn't pull something.

 

[MAC_32]

What's the rule on pausing the watch for traffic. 

Or poop.

I'd think there is no option, but I'm also unsuccessfully trying to stay out of coordinating logistics.

 

[Zasada]

I'm trying to stay out of coordinating logistics, but along these lines...KISS. Start and finish around the same location, just don't start and finish near a hill you could take advantage of. And if you pick a route that could have you run into traffic problems then c'est la'vie.

Yeah, let's not overcomplicate this.  Start and stop around the same place.  That takes elevation and wind gaming out.  Keep the distance at 10K and just go with aggregate/average time of each team.  

 

[gruecd]

One idea I had for teams is to have everyone run a mile as fast as they can and divide up teams evenly using those times.

No 

 

[The Iguana]

No.

good. glad I got everyone!

 

[Juxtatarot]

No 

5:25.

 

[bushdocda]

That’s too many. I’d rather just run out 3.1 miles and then back. 

Also I have my pizza cut into 6 slices. 8 is too many

#yogisms

 

[gruecd]

God, you guys sure have a knack for making things waaaaaaaay more complicated than they need to be.

 

[ChiefD]

good. glad I got everyone!

In all seriousness, don't include me.

I'm the slowest guy here and I honestly don't have it in me right now to try and run fast. Too many other things to focus on right now.

 

[MAC_32]

God, you guys sure have a knack for making things waaaaaaaay more complicated than they need to be.

S.O.P. it's why I was very clear from the outset in taking no coordinating responsibilities. Until someone falls on that sword we'll keep spinning around in circles...so in the meantime - let's keep throwing out ideas!

 

[tri-man 47]

# of teams: Keep it to two?  With 20+ guys, those are big teams.  Maybe that's OK.  Ultimately, this is about giving everyone motivation to run and train during these weird times.

Team captains: I still like the idea of @gruecd and @Juxtatarot.  They're evenly matched; they know the background of a lot of the guys here; they're both thoughtful/analytical.  Once our list of runners is set, we can decide how to provide a fair bio of where we're at and what we're capable of.  

Races: With thoughts for multiple races, what if we did a three-race sequence, four weeks apart.  We can pace-adjust for runners who are a bit off on the distances.

- 5K around April 16-19

- 10K around May 14-17

- 1 mile around June 11-14

If the teams split the first two events, the June hard miles would be the deciding factor, and that's probably the most unpredictable (knowing who has strong top-end speed).  Starting with a 5K is easier for those who haven't gotten in a lot of training yet.

If local races do start happening again, we can always let this slide.  But I suspect this social isolation will last into the summer.  And really, events need to know that things are opening up again before they can definitively plan, so it'll be a while.

 

[Harris]

# of teams: Keep it to two?  With 20+ guys, those are big teams.  Maybe that's OK.  Ultimately, this is about giving everyone motivation to run and train during these weird times.

Team captains: I still like the idea of @gruecd and @Juxtatarot.  They're evenly matched; they know the background of a lot of the guys here; they're both thoughtful/analytical.  Once our list of runners is set, we can decide how to provide a fair bio of where we're at and what we're capable of.  

Races: With thoughts for multiple races, what if we did a three-race sequence, four weeks apart.  We can pace-adjust for runners who are a bit off on the distances.

- 5K around April 16-19

- 10K around May 14-17

- 1 mile around June 11-14

If the teams split the first two events, the June hard miles would be the deciding factor, and that's probably the most unpredictable (knowing who has strong top-end speed).  Starting with a 5K is easier for those who haven't gotten in a lot of training yet.

If local races do start happening again, we can always let this slide.  But I suspect this social isolation will last into the summer.  And really, events need to know that things are opening up again before they can definitively plan, so it'll be a while.

I knew the accountant would coordinate! 

 

[-OZ-]

# of teams: Keep it to two?  With 20+ guys, those are big teams.  Maybe that's OK.  Ultimately, this is about giving everyone motivation to run and train during these weird times.

Team captains: I still like the idea of @gruecd and @Juxtatarot.  They're evenly matched; they know the background of a lot of the guys here; they're both thoughtful/analytical.  Once our list of runners is set, we can decide how to provide a fair bio of where we're at and what we're capable of.  

Races: With thoughts for multiple races, what if we did a three-race sequence, four weeks apart.  We can pace-adjust for runners who are a bit off on the distances.

- 5K around April 16-19

- 10K around May 14-17

- 1 mile around June 11-14

If the teams split the first two events, the June hard miles would be the deciding factor, and that's probably the most unpredictable (knowing who has strong top-end speed).  Starting with a 5K is easier for those who haven't gotten in a lot of training yet.

If local races do start happening again, we can always let this slide.  But I suspect this social isolation will last into the summer.  And really, events need to know that things are opening up again before they can definitively plan, so it'll be a while.

I like it, but - crazy thought, feel free to ignore if it's over complicated.

Maybe keep those 3 windows but let the individuals decide when to run each? 

A. April 16-19

B. May 14-17

C.  June 11-14

 

[tri-man 47]

I like it, but - crazy thought, feel free to ignore if it's over complicated.

Maybe keep those 3 windows but let the individuals decide when to run each? 

I deem that too difficult to track.  I moved the May date for you ...don't push your luck, mister.

One way to track this, given the large teams, is use the average pace for the distance.  Then we don't have to worry about a 3.13 distance and such (and could track the ongoing average in a spreadsheet).  Also, using average paces will be an easier comparison than total time as the # of runners per teams won't match up over the multi-day window of time.  But when completed, a final listing of each team's racers and times will be motivation for the next race and ongoing training (which is the goal).

Other names from here and strava: @SFBayDuck was overlooked (to match a hill route with @SayWhat? ..or make them run on the flats?!?).

@BassNBrew, @xulf, @mr. furley, @Osaurus, @TripleThreat, @igbomb, @Organized Chaos, @jb1020, @fred_1_15301, @eaganwildcats, @belljr (if leg is still attached)

Other lurkers or any we missed that want the motivation to join in?  "Final call" this Friday afternoon.

The FBG-BMF Spring 2020 Race Series

To win; to shelter in place; or to show

 

[Juxtatarot]

 to shelter in place

There are rumors all of IL will be in a "shelter in place" by Monday.  I'll still have to go to work though.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

# of teams: Keep it to two?  With 20+ guys, those are big teams.  Maybe that's OK.  Ultimately, this is about giving everyone motivation to run and train during these weird times.

Team captains: I still like the idea of @gruecd and @Juxtatarot.  They're evenly matched; they know the background of a lot of the guys here; they're both thoughtful/analytical.  Once our list of runners is set, we can decide how to provide a fair bio of where we're at and what we're capable of.  

Races: With thoughts for multiple races, what if we did a three-race sequence, four weeks apart.  We can pace-adjust for runners who are a bit off on the distances.

- 5K around April 16-19

- 10K around May 14-17

- 1 mile around June 11-14

If the teams split the first two events, the June hard miles would be the deciding factor, and that's probably the most unpredictable (knowing who has strong top-end speed).  Starting with a 5K is easier for those who haven't gotten in a lot of training yet.

If local races do start happening again, we can always let this slide.  But I suspect this social isolation will last into the summer.  And really, events need to know that things are opening up again before they can definitively plan, so it'll be a while.

I think this is a great plan.  As a humble suggestion, if people think that 10+ teams is too many, you could always have large teams for the 5K, then the winning team forms two teams (with the two fastest as captains) and faces off in the 10K (same thing with the losing team).  Then they split again for the 1 mile, so you would end up with 8 teams for the 1 mile with the winning team of say 3 or 4 guys.  [mumbles] maybe making this too complicated 

 

[Harris]

But I suspect this social isolation will last into the summer.  

I hope you mean just for races. I'm only on Day 3 of quarantine and I don't know how many laps around the block I'll be able to take. At this rate I'm going to get to know every pigeon in the 'hood.

 

[SFBayDuck]

In all seriousness, don't include me.

I'm the slowest guy here and I honestly don't have it in me right now to try and run fast. Too many other things to focus on right now.

Hold my beer.....

Other names from here and strava: @SFBayDuck was overlooked (to match a hill route with @SayWhat? ..or make them run on the flats?!?).

I'm up for whatever, but it would be kind of fun if we could each find a 1000' climb/descent and make that our "10K".  But that might be too complicated.  Plus, he's not on Strava is he?

 

[tri-man 47]

[Scouting report on @Harris: Talented, three-tool athlete who can swim, bike, and run.  Young, so offers great potential.  Brings international perspective to team.  Mental discipline raises concern, however, and might knock him down a round.]  

 

[tri-man 47]

I'm up for whatever, but it would be kind of fun if we could each find a 1000' climb/descent and make that our "10K".  But that might be too complicated.  Plus, he's not on Strava is he?

Correct, @SayWhat? is not on strava (but a few others might not be either).  We'd have to use an honor system or some other documentation.  But I think he's the most likely one to be able to find a hilly parallel to your routes.

 

[gruecd]

Good lord, I'm riding the Peloton every day in addition to my regular daily runs, and I still can't catch Mr. OTQ on the Strava leaderboard!

 

[fred_1_15301]

I’m way slower than everyone in here so please don’t include me either.  I’ll be paying attention though.  Still continuing my training for the 10 mile run even though I would be shocked if it’s not cancelled.

 

[SteelCurtain]

I like it, but - crazy thought, feel free to ignore if it's over complicated.

Maybe keep those 3 windows but let the individuals decide when to run each? 

A. April 16-19

B. May 14-17

C.  June 11-14

I vote keep it simple regarding hills.  Just don't choose a downhill course...just try to end around the same elevation as where you started.

I vote it MUST be on strava.  If people want to be a part of it, then join Strava.  Its not that hard.  Also, these runs need to be the only thing on the run.  If you want to do a warm up, make it a separate Strava workout.

I vote 10K, 5K and 1 mile.

If someone wants to "race" multiple times in their window, they may do it.

No allowances for stoppage due to traffic or poop.  Its a damn race.  They don't give you a break when you need to take a dump.

Regarding B, I'd vote to move it to memorial day weekend.  Gives us more time to run if we aren't hunkered down.

I like @gruecd vs. @Juxtatarot.

 

[JAA]

One idea I had for teams is to have everyone run a mile as fast as they can and divide up teams evenly using those times.

I vote pick 2 captains and have a draft. It will be just like growing up, always picked last

 

[-OZ-]

Regarding B, I'd vote to move it to memorial day weekend.  Gives us more time to run if we aren't hunkered down.

Makes sense for most, but I'm out if it's that weekend. (Unless you want to count a really slow portion of a 70.3 - or count the bike which would be moderately faster)

Really - do what makes sense for most people. I'll find a way to have something count. (It just won't be fast)

 

[SayWhat?]

First of all, I take offense to those thinking that @SFBayDuck can’t race on roads.  We will tear that road #### up if we need to. (We may be on bikes, but so what?)

Secondly, Strava schmava.  
 

Finally, I’m in.  Odds are unlikely that the WSER training camp is held as planned that weekend (71 miles over three days on the course), but if it is I’ll just take 6.2 on a net downhill (sorry, I didn’t read the rules) and crush that.

 

[SayWhat?]

And by crush, I mean 14 minute miles.

 

[tri-man 47]

I’m way slower than everyone in here so please don’t include me either.  I’ll be paying attention though.  Still continuing my training for the 10 mile run even though I would be shocked if it’s not cancelled.

Aw, c'mon!  It's about giving us all motivation to train steady over the next three months.  We have runners of all speeds and lack-thereofs.  Don't let that be a hindrance.  Say yes!

 

[ChiefD]

Well......sheeeeeeit.

Kansas added Florida to its list of states today that includes a mandatory quarantine if you traveled there after March 15. Which I did.

Damitol.

 

[JShare87]

Well......sheeeeeeit.

Kansas added Florida to its list of states today that includes a mandatory quarantine if you traveled there after March 15. Which I did.

Damitol.

What did you think, you were just going to come down here and enjoy the weather without paying a price? Doesn’t work like that. Re-arrange your shovels, that’ll take at least 10-14 days.

 

[ChiefD]

What did you think, you were just going to come down here and enjoy the weather without paying a price? Doesn’t work like that. Re-arrange your shovels, that’ll take at least 10-14 days.

This is a fantastic idea.

Maybe I will put together a shovel website....

 

[xulf]

I deem that too difficult to track.  I moved the May date for you ...don't push your luck, mister.

One way to track this, given the large teams, is use the average pace for the distance.  Then we don't have to worry about a 3.13 distance and such (and could track the ongoing average in a spreadsheet).  Also, using average paces will be an easier comparison than total time as the # of runners per teams won't match up over the multi-day window of time.  But when completed, a final listing of each team's racers and times will be motivation for the next race and ongoing training (which is the goal).

Other names from here and strava: @SFBayDuck was overlooked (to match a hill route with @SayWhat? ..or make them run on the flats?!?).

@BassNBrew, @xulf, @mr. furley, @Osaurus, @TripleThreat, @igbomb, @Organized Chaos, @jb1020, @fred_1_15301, @eaganwildcats, @belljr (if leg is still attached)

Other lurkers or any we missed that want the motivation to join in?  "Final call" this Friday afternoon.

The FBG-BMF Spring 2020 Race Series

To win; to shelter in place; or to show

I'm not 100% sure what is going on...but I'm in.  (now I will go read the last few days of the thread)

 

[Juxtatarot]

I'm not 100% sure what is going on

None of us do.

 

[-OZ-]

Well......sheeeeeeit.

Kansas added Florida to its list of states today that includes a mandatory quarantine if you traveled there after March 15. Which I did.

Damitol.

You really dug yourself deep this time.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm not 100% sure what is going on...but I'm in.  

Things I've said way too often in my marriage?

 

[gruecd]

I like @gruecd vs. @Juxtatarot.

It’ll be good to beat that MFer for a change!

And I agree...if it’s not on Strava, it didn’t happen. If you’re too lazy to install an app, there’s no room for you on my team!  

 

[ChiefD]

You really dug yourself deep this time.

<_<