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I pulled up 11/6/2020 (since the race this year is 11/6). Here you go
Pro for Indy: I'm also going to be aiming for my first BQ and depending on your time goal we can pace each other. I'm shooting for sub-3 here.
I linked it up thread. Sat Nov 7 was what you described - Sun Nov 8-Tue Nov 10 was what I described. I forgot Indy runs on Sat.
If you are aware of a suitable backup plan within an hour of my house the weekend of Nov 13 then the if-then sequence of Indy-X makes sense. Given current information I am not aware such a thing exists. A plan of Indy as plan A (Nov 6) and local race as plan B (Oct 31) 6 days prior does not make any sense. The plan B must be after the plan A.
The MW is very predictable late Oct/early Nov. It's why it's great for racing. It's generally mid 50's/low 40's except when a cold front pushes through or we get a southern push of energy.
Surprisingly, I do still remember my birthday.
I liked your birthday acknowledgement for the new quinquagenarian rather than posting my own. 
There's a reason I said hour - wife always has to work that weekend. I am regretting being transparent about my intentions.
Indy will be my goal race. I'm either going to fun run Boston (if it happens) or not run it at all. My coach thinks I could recover just fine in 26 days, but I'm not so sure...
No regrets!! Half of this is busting balls. But other half is honestly trying to help get you an optimal chance to BQ. While the pressure in this thread is strong, you're the last one that would ever bow to it and go against what you need/want, so it's all good
Sufficient recovery to race in 26 days is reasonable. To PR? Unlikely. There's a purpose behind what one does in training a month out and there's good reason a marathon is not a part of it.
I want to meet all you maniacs, but there's good reason I chimed in on that April relay Dr. Z mentioned a few months ago. I suspected Indy would be the last fall marathon I could do, so it wouldn't be plan A. My racing priorities will change after I make it to Boston, but 'after' is the key word. I know the range of potential outcomes are generally favorable for Indy, but they're not 100%. An if-then of the weather being perfect here on Oct 31 and a #### show in Indy Nov 6 then I gotta start all over again makes my blood boil just thinking about it.No regrets!! Half of this is busting balls. But other half is honestly trying to help get you an optimal chance to BQ. While the pressure in this thread is strong, you're the last one that would ever bow to it and go against what you need/want, so it's all good
Drive to Indy?
I'm basically moving from France to the US just for this race so it's the least you could do.
I'm being serious...hope you were. I don't see flying to Indy, but I think we can make that time wherever the races happen.
I actually just looked into travel there... 2+ hr flight, not bad. 11+ hr bus, bad. Just maneuvering through Port Authority would take a few years off my life for that.Drive to Indy?
The only 3:30 I'm sniffing anytime soon will be due to a watch malfunction. No, I wasn't being serious. You're doing fun HM runs faster than my race PRs. We aren't in the same vicinity, GB.
Yeah, @El Floppo - you're just now building a base. You're months away from having any idea what you're really capable of but it's a number below 3:30...and if you stick with it long term it'll likely be quite a bit below 3:30.
Damn, my wife is gonna be pissed when I sign up for this marathon......
and given all the people that are lining up to come meet me that day, I better keep my butt in gear to make a real run for it.
You're in the same boat as Floppy. You just have to start over now cause you took 2020 off
When was the last time you completed multiple months in a row averaging > 40 mpw? 50 mpw? and have you ever done the former when not in marathon training?
Sorry, my mistake I guess. Seems like your numbers are getting there, and I feel like by the fall you'll have some good miles in your legs and will be able to build to that... Especially with the Mrs pulling you along.
I do think it's there for me as mac says, maybe even sooner if I went for it. But for now, my marathon PR remains 3:56 or something like that and regardless of any 1/2s, the target is still there. I do wonder if I can drop that recent 1/2 time- conditions on the day were perfect, with a backwind, two different pacers and mild temps...and I know that all helped a lot.
You could go out today and PR.
Sorry, my mistake I guess. Seems like your numbers are getting there, and I feel like by the fall you'll have some good miles in your legs and will be able to build to that... Especially with the Mrs pulling you along.
I do think it's there for me as mac says, maybe even sooner if I went for it. But for now, my marathon PR remains 3:56 or something like that and regardless of any 1/2s, the target is still there. I do wonder if I can drop that recent 1/2 time- conditions on the day were perfect, with a backwind, two different pacers and mild temps...and I know that all helped a lot.
Never.
For years I thought I had a ceiling. For years these maniacs told me it wasn't what I thought it was. Then I did a few months averaging > 40 mpw and I realized that ceiling was made of glass and these maniacs were right.
I ran a 3:58.
Sorry, my mistake I guess. Seems like your numbers are getting there, and I feel like by the fall you'll have some good miles in your legs and will be able to build to that... Especially with the Mrs pulling you along.
I do think it's there for me as mac says, maybe even sooner if I went for it. But for now, my marathon PR remains 3:56 or something like that and regardless of any 1/2s, the target is still there. I do wonder if I can drop that recent 1/2 time- conditions on the day were perfect, with a backwind, two different pacers and mild temps...and I know that all helped a lot.
I trust you guys. And I'm doing my best to do 40- which is attainable for me if I run 6 days (20 +/- during the week and the same on weekends). Missing a day here or there puts me in the 30s. But thanks to you guys I'm feeling the benefits of banking those miles, today's pushed hill repeats going slower than I expected not withstanding. My long runs have felt easier to run at a more pushed pace and I still want to get my legs used to going faster with shorter speed work.
BTW, it was funny seeing the flyby of a recent long run into brooklyn where I had to rely on pitstop #2 for pitstopping a #2.
I will go for 3:45 in July when I train well (hopefully) and have the benefit of a little experience plus the downhill. But it still won't be easy. That's an A goal.
I totally believe in Gian's ability to run a 3:30 (or better) marathon if he set his mind to it but there is a lot to that, most notably time, which is limited by work and family for him, and his commitment to his wife and her schedule/goals. Both are far more important than race times, imo, but given unlimited time to dedicate himself to the craft and Gian could totally do it. I am 100% confident in that.
Well said. I'll defer to you guys...I still have confidence in the guy who can crawl into that pain cave for fast shorter races- fetal position or no- to be able to stretch it longer with enough miles behind him.
Talent matters, but priorities matter more. And that isn't mean to say anyone mentioned should change their priorities; it's just reality. Productive marathon training requires sacrifice - before it starts and while it's ongoing. How much sacrifice? Well, it depends. If your best possible effort is a priority then you gotta figure out what you're willing to sacrifice then game plan accordingly. I've learned through my previous 2 cycles that if my goal is a PR I've gotta race mid-Fall in low vacation volume years. Otherwise I start sacrificing things that I'm not willing to.
Yeah, this is an impossible battle to win. I've experienced some of this, which is why I have been remodeling our house non-stop for the last two months.
I totally agree. The guy in charge of some of the umpire training I am going through is big on pushing this. He is big into umpiring but highlights how it still only rates 4th in his list. I can't quite ever see me rating running as high as some do, even though I do like it having my (mostly) full attention. There are other things I definitely enjoy and thus it will get bumped for certain things from time to time.
You could do 3:30 in your sleep.
