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Rand Paul wins CPAC nom (1 Viewer)

If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.

ETA: forgot about Dole in 1992. So that's two guys who weren't sons of senators/governors/presidents in the last 30 years.

 
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If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.

 
If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.
Yeah, but having a rich wife is a long way from having a father who's a senator, governor or president.

It's really been quite an impressive run of GOP candidates. It doesn't help that it's all white men too. Hard to sell the whole "land of opportunity, let the market decide" shtick when you keep deciding that the best men among you are all white men who are sons of powerful white men.

 
If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.
Yeah, but having a rich wife is a long way from having a father who's a senator, governor or president.

It's really been quite an impressive run of GOP candidates. It doesn't help that it's all white men too. Hard to sell the whole "land of opportunity, let the market decide" shtick when you keep deciding that the best men among you are all white men who are sons of powerful white men.
His father was a 4 star admiral as was his grandfather. Which is probably the only reason he wasn't kicked. He was a lousy officer. His one claim to fame is he did the right thing while a POW. But lets not pretend he doesn't come from a fairly privileged background

 
I just listened to Rand Paul on the Michael Medved show. He made no secret of the fact that he is planning on running in 2016. He is hoping that his attack on what the NSA is doing will cause more young people to reconsider the Republican party. (I'm sure it will also please a lot of people here.)

On other issues, Paul sounded like the normal conservative Republican, and actually came off as pretty reasonable. For example, he cautioned that conservatives shouldn't go overboard in attacking Hagel's new defense budget, because he (Paul) agreed in principle that much of our military spending is antiquated given new technology. I liked that.

 
These idiots are making the U.S. a one party system. The republicans need to go the way of the whigs and a new party of the middle class needs to be born. I know, that's impossible. These jackasses stood around with their thumbs up their asses while the democrats grabbed the poor vote and control over the country. Now the only way to defeat them is to get the middle class on their side fully. Too bad they are too stupid to do so.
[SIZE=medium]I’m glad you brought this up. I agree the Republican party needs to champion the middle class. And yes, a lot of them did stand around with their thumb up their ###, but one particular Republican candidate did exactly what you are asking… only no one noticed… but me of course. A former Republican senator from PA, Rick Santorum, seems to be making the working middle class the focus of his campaign. Of course, anyone that follows Rick knows this is not something new. All you have to do is look at a speech he made while running for president.[/SIZE]

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President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob. Not all folks are gifted in the same way. Some people have incredible gifts with their hands...there are good decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image. I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his.
[SIZE=medium]So he mentions the working middle class in one speech… big deal right? Well, let’s take a look at what he said in what was by far the best speech at CPAC this year:[/SIZE]

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…As you saw from the news today President Obama’s policies continue to create an ever increasing wealth gap in America. When I was out there campaigning, I was out there campaigning talking about the 70% of Americans who will not get a college degree. 70% do not have college degrees and that number is not changing at all in America. What are we going to do to talk to them? Our answer has always been… well, we’ll cut taxes for high income people. Now I believe in that policy, but if you’re sitting there underemployed, unemployed, looking for a job, wanting to move up in your job, and all we’re talking about is cutting taxes for high income people… it doesn’t exactly connect emotionally. Doesn’t exactly resonate with the people that we’re talking about. So what I did was I went out and talked about, yes, cutting taxes, but for manufacturing so we can create jobs for those folks that don’t go to college, that are good paying jobs so they can rise in society and provide for their families. We celebrate that all work is good work weather it’s manufacturing or energy, two things that we can grow and expand, and really get behind, and create not just a quality of life for the people who are working, but better energy prices, and better quality goods and services for people here in America who aren’t in those jobs. That’s a plan and a vision that connects… with those folks… who stayed home in the last couple of elections, particularly the last election. We saw this in OH. Hundreds of thousands of people… who stayed home. Because they couldn’t vote for Barak Obama, they knew his policies were horrendous, and hurting them… THEM… not just the country… THEM. So they couldn’t vote for him. But they also couldn’t vote for us. They couldn’t vote for us because, they didn’t think we cared. They didn’t think we cared about them. So they stayed home. And now we’re here. Because we didn’t connect with them. Ladies and Gentleman, times are uncertain in America. Even today… saw the unemployment numbers, not getting any better. Hear predictions that the economy is going to start to falter again. People are nervous, anxious, and yes… fearful. People ask me, why did we not win an election when so many people were doing so poorly and the economy was so bad? Fear. Look at where Barak Obama got the votes. He got the votes from the people who are the most economically vulnerable… fear. And we’re out there saying we’re going to cut this, and cut that, and cut this. And you’re sitting there holding on by your finger nails. And we have no message for you as to how things are going to get better for YOU. Not for the employer… who might, may hire you. And we’re in trouble… as a party. And here’s the sad part. We… are the party who has the policies that will work best for these folks. We are the party that will create growth and opportunity. We are the party that believes in restoring something that is broken in most of the communities where people are struggling… the American family. You know, I talked about how important it was that the American family be the center of all of our policies... our economic policies. Because if you look at it, the word Economy comes from the Greek word Oikus (sp?) which means ‘home’ or ‘family’. The first economy is the home. And when the home breaks down, the economy breaks down. I don’t want to talk about re-defining marriage, I want to talk about reclaiming marriage as a good for society, and celebrate how important it is for our economy. But that’s not what we did. That’s not what we did. We went out and we talked about job creators, and that’s what we do as Republicans, we gotta face it. We’re out there talking as if everybody who is a voter is like us. Sort of, high energy Type A people who want to reach for the brass ring. Well you know what? We need folks like that, and we need to have policies that encourage people to do that. But you know what, we also need folks that will work 9-5 and go home and coach little league. We also need them to work at the library and volunteer. And to be the parent in the neighborhood when maybe another parent isn’t around. We NEED people like that. That’s the backbone of America. These folks who don’t value just money, but they value family and community, and children. America was a great country because we had that strong infrastructure of family and community… and ladies and gentlemen it is falling apart.
[SIZE=medium]The guy is putting himself out there… trying his best to connect with middle class working people. The message is out there, we just need to make sure we vote for the candidate that is putting it at the forefront. We need to make sure we support Rick. Here is a link to the full speech if you want to check it out.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEpb5kZBdxA[/SIZE]

 
I actually had many moments during the last campaign where I found myself think this Santorum guy isnt so bad. But then he'd slip and let his ultra conservative social issues show.

 
If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.

ETA: forgot about Dole in 1992. So that's two guys who weren't sons of senators/governors/presidents in the last 30 years.
I agree.

On the other hand:

- the Demos' lead candidate is the wife of a former president.

- Al Gore, son of a prominent longtime Senator.

- John Kerry was married to a ketchup heiress.

GOP has had:

- McCain, son of an admiral

- Romney, son of a former presidential candidate & MI governor, not to mention head of an auto company

- GW Bush, son of a president

- GHW Bush, son of a big time banker and part of elite northeastern Prescott-Bush family

I think it's a good point altogether, and frankly it would be good if both parties would get outside the Bush/Clinton rubric we've been under for a while (oh say 1988 (Bush/Clintonx2/Bushx2/ Clinton lead Dem nom, SOS)). Now, Obama was supposed to deliver us from all that (....) but the bottom line is people did want just that, something different.

 
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I just listened to Rand Paul on the Michael Medved show. He made no secret of the fact that he is planning on running in 2016. He is hoping that his attack on what the NSA is doing will cause more young people to reconsider the Republican party. (I'm sure it will also please a lot of people here.)

On other issues, Paul sounded like the normal conservative Republican, and actually came off as pretty reasonable. For example, he cautioned that conservatives shouldn't go overboard in attacking Hagel's new defense budget, because he (Paul) agreed in principle that much of our military spending is antiquated given new technology. I liked that.
You'll dismiss him as soon as he talks like his Father on Foreign Policy

 
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I just listened to Rand Paul on the Michael Medved show. He made no secret of the fact that he is planning on running in 2016. He is hoping that his attack on what the NSA is doing will cause more young people to reconsider the Republican party. (I'm sure it will also please a lot of people here.)

On other issues, Paul sounded like the normal conservative Republican, and actually came off as pretty reasonable. For example, he cautioned that conservatives shouldn't go overboard in attacking Hagel's new defense budget, because he (Paul) agreed in principle that much of our military spending is antiquated given new technology. I liked that.
You'll dismiss him as soon as he talks like his Father on Foreign Policy
Of course I will. I can't stand his dads views; you know that. And I disagree with Rand most of the time as well; I could never vote for the guy. But I wanted to give him a fair evaluation. The day I wrote that, he impressed me.
 
If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.
Yeah, but having a rich wife is a long way from having a father who's a senator, governor or president.

It's really been quite an impressive run of GOP candidates. It doesn't help that it's all white men too. Hard to sell the whole "land of opportunity, let the market decide" shtick when you keep deciding that the best men among you are all white men who are sons of powerful white men.
His father was a 4 star admiral as was his grandfather. Which is probably the only reason he wasn't kicked. He was a lousy officer. His one claim to fame is he did the right thing while a POW. But lets not pretend he doesn't come from a fairly privileged background
This is so politically myopic it deserves a comment that basically says, "this comment is so gobsmackingly stupid that it boggles the mind."

Because a guy that spent four years in a ####### hole with a broken shoulder who refused to be released merely "did the right thing."

The context and tone of this is baffling.

 
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If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.
Yeah, but having a rich wife is a long way from having a father who's a senator, governor or president.

It's really been quite an impressive run of GOP candidates. It doesn't help that it's all white men too. Hard to sell the whole "land of opportunity, let the market decide" shtick when you keep deciding that the best men among you are all white men who are sons of powerful white men.
His father was a 4 star admiral as was his grandfather. Which is probably the only reason he wasn't kicked. He was a lousy officer. His one claim to fame is he did the right thing while a POW. But lets not pretend he doesn't come from a fairly privileged background
This is so politically myopic it deserves a comment that basically says, "this comment is so gobsmackingly stupid that it boggles the mind."

Because a guy that spent four years in a ####### hole with a broken shoulder who refused to be released merely "did the right thing."

The context and tone of this is baffling.
Which part confuses you? He did the same thing every other POW ever did. The only difference is his daddy was a big deal and he was offered early release and he refused to do what they wanted to get it. That's doing the right thing. And plenty of guys had it worse than him. Like the guys who died as POWs.

 
If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.
Yeah, but having a rich wife is a long way from having a father who's a senator, governor or president.

It's really been quite an impressive run of GOP candidates. It doesn't help that it's all white men too. Hard to sell the whole "land of opportunity, let the market decide" shtick when you keep deciding that the best men among you are all white men who are sons of powerful white men.
His father was a 4 star admiral as was his grandfather. Which is probably the only reason he wasn't kicked. He was a lousy officer. His one claim to fame is he did the right thing while a POW. But lets not pretend he doesn't come from a fairly privileged background
This is so politically myopic it deserves a comment that basically says, "this comment is so gobsmackingly stupid that it boggles the mind."

Because a guy that spent four years in a ####### hole with a broken shoulder who refused to be released merely "did the right thing."

The context and tone of this is baffling.
Which part confuses you? He did the same thing every other POW ever did. The only difference is his daddy was a big deal and he was offered early release and he refused to do what they wanted to get it. That's doing the right thing. And plenty of guys had it worse than him. Like the guys who died as POWs.
I think it's amazing we're resurrecting a debate over a year old because of some weird lawyer with an obvious penchant for ideological violence and mass destruction.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this. If you merely think that McCain "did the right thing" solamente, then the human spirit is a bit lost between party lines here. He could have easily packed up and gone home in the most abject of conditions, and chose not to.

 
If the GOP wants to pitch the whole "party of the free market and small businesses and meritocracy" angle, they should probably think about nominating some men who actually accomplished something on their own instead of the current string of nepotism beneficiaries. McCain is the only self-made politician the party has nominated since Reagan.
Pretty sure the rich wife helped McCain a bit. That is why he dumped the first wife who waited for him the whole time he was a POW.
Yeah, but having a rich wife is a long way from having a father who's a senator, governor or president.

It's really been quite an impressive run of GOP candidates. It doesn't help that it's all white men too. Hard to sell the whole "land of opportunity, let the market decide" shtick when you keep deciding that the best men among you are all white men who are sons of powerful white men.
His father was a 4 star admiral as was his grandfather. Which is probably the only reason he wasn't kicked. He was a lousy officer. His one claim to fame is he did the right thing while a POW. But lets not pretend he doesn't come from a fairly privileged background
This is so politically myopic it deserves a comment that basically says, "this comment is so gobsmackingly stupid that it boggles the mind."

Because a guy that spent four years in a ####### hole with a broken shoulder who refused to be released merely "did the right thing."

The context and tone of this is baffling.
Which part confuses you? He did the same thing every other POW ever did. The only difference is his daddy was a big deal and he was offered early release and he refused to do what they wanted to get it. That's doing the right thing. And plenty of guys had it worse than him. Like the guys who died as POWs.
I think it's amazing we're resurrecting a debate over a year old because of some weird lawyer with an obvious penchant for ideological violence and mass destruction.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this. If you merely think that McCain "did the right thing" solamente, then the human spirit is a bit lost between party lines here. He could have easily packed up and gone home in the most abject of conditions, and chose not to.
And been vilified by everyone who ever served. He did the right thing and I give him credit for that. But he only did what one would expect from him.

 

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