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Randy Moss Retires (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
NO RINGS for the quitter! There is a God.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Moss is gonna retire for half a year (until he sees who's good and needs a WR) and will come back for another run.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
lol schlereth said the same thing (only full season)
he also said his agent said he was in the best shape of his life 3 weeks ago...
he also said his agent said he was in the best shape of his life 3 weeks ago...
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not even close to Sanders like.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Honestly he'd probably be better for a team with 1/2 a season (so he's not worn out come playoffs).
Terpman22
Footballguy
This. Moss is only in competition for #2 all-time in rec td's b/c he is tied with Owens and who knows if he is coming back. Barry was one "Barry Year" away from getting one of the most sought after records in all of pro sports and still at the top of his game. Please.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
So nobody really wanted him or was willing to offer him as big a contract as he felt he was worth so he took his ball and went home.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not only that, but he can almost guarantee his self a spot in the playoffs if he waits until midseason.Smart move IMHO.Honestly he'd probably be better for a team with 1/2 a season (so he's not worn out come playoffs).
Tau837
Footballguy
Hardly.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
There is no argument about the best WR to ever play the game, and it's not Moss.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
He'll sign with someone by the end of the week.
Tau837
Footballguy
This is bad schtick, even for you. In order to qualify for that distinction, he'd have to have had a better career than both Rice and Hutson (among others). There is no rational argument for that.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Forget it... he's rolling.
massraider
Footballguy
Yep, he'll be able to pick and choose his team, kinda like now, right?That's why he's retiring, right? Because he just has too many offers from all these top teams right? And because he is in the "best shape of his career", according to his agent? That's a refreshing change, by the way, I am so tired of agents calling out their players for being fat slugs. Stick a fork in him.Not only that, but he can almost guarantee his self a spot in the playoffs if he waits until midseason.Smart move IMHO.Honestly he'd probably be better for a team with 1/2 a season (so he's not worn out come playoffs).
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
Rather than waiting around for an offer he's retiring so that he can make it look like he was begged out of retirement when he signs somewhere during the season.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
You should see how he handles the thread on his profile comment page. LHucks has no schtik!
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I think he means 'sanders-like' as in the way that Barry skipped every training camp and showed up like 3 days early and said "i'm ready to run for 1600 now', not his bizarre and selfish retirement near the record.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
No not even "Sanders-Like"Randy Moss had arguably one of the best seasons ever, but I can name a few WRs who are better then him all-time.Bye Randy, with you and Favre gone now, no one can get burned by you guys in fantasy leagues.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Chris Carter just said he saw him working out and he is still flat out fast. Quit hating just because the prom queen you married got fat and left you only to get her stomach stapled, turn back into a supermodel who decide to marry the guy that killed your dog "tuck". He'll be fine, but he is old. Why pull a hammy in week 4 when you an save a playoff teams season in week 10?Yep, he'll be able to pick and choose his team, kinda like now, right?That's why he's retiring, right? Because he just has too many offers from all these top teams right? And because he is in the "best shape of his career", according to his agent? That's a refreshing change, by the way, I am so tired of agents calling out their players for being fat slugs. Stick a fork in him.Not only that, but he can almost guarantee his self a spot in the playoffs if he waits until midseason.Smart move IMHO.Honestly he'd probably be better for a team with 1/2 a season (so he's not worn out come playoffs).
Jason Wood
Zoo York
This can't come as a surprise. Let's see him file papers, and then let's see him say no to an offer. Last year was evidence that he had very few suitors left. At least suitors who would:
A) Be contenders
B) View him as a starter
C) Commit to him financially
Moss isn't the kind of guy that's going to accept a backup/mentor role, and who really was going to give him a clear cut shot as an uncontested starter?
A) Be contenders
B) View him as a starter
C) Commit to him financially
Moss isn't the kind of guy that's going to accept a backup/mentor role, and who really was going to give him a clear cut shot as an uncontested starter?
smackdaddies
Footballguy
just lhuckSTER being lhuckSTER. Rational is not a requirement.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
NO RINGS for the quitter! There is a God.
Like he did for the Titans last year? Yeah, those 6 catches for 80 yards in 8 games with the Titans was awfully impressive.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
that titans team was a cluster#### at that point. He was obviously mentally checked out. But how many guys beat Revis last year? If say Ochocinco goes down is it inconceivable they bring him in.NO RINGS for the quitter! There is a God.Like he did for the Titans last year? Yeah, those 6 catches for 80 yards in 8 games with the Titans was awfully impressive.
It will take a coach who can properly frame his role/control him. In most cases it's hypothetical. In his case it''s empirical. In 2006 we saw a disinterested, ill-prepared and unmotivated guy go through the motions and check out. What happened in 2007-9 in a 'positive' environment with a no nonsense coach?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Moss beat Revis who had a bad hamstring. Yippee for him. That was his one shining moment last year.
And why would the Patriots bring back him back? They have proven that they don't need his cancerous attitude to win. They won three Super Bowls before he got there, and while they lost in the 2nd round last year, the tear they went on the second he was kicked off the team is indicative of what a bad influence he was. Belichick would never bring him back. And I suspect the few coaches who could keep him motivated to play either didn't want him or made him offers he didn't like (like incentive-based ones, meaning he wouldn't get paid if/when he loafed it and didn't produce).
And why would the Patriots bring back him back? They have proven that they don't need his cancerous attitude to win. They won three Super Bowls before he got there, and while they lost in the 2nd round last year, the tear they went on the second he was kicked off the team is indicative of what a bad influence he was. Belichick would never bring him back. And I suspect the few coaches who could keep him motivated to play either didn't want him or made him offers he didn't like (like incentive-based ones, meaning he wouldn't get paid if/when he loafed it and didn't produce).
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massraider
Footballguy
That's old news. Forget the Raiders. And don't be so pissy. You're better than that.Why did the Pats/Viking/Titans all kiss this champion goodbye? Because he's so FAST? Maybe other teams don't want to bring him in because they might have an away game against the Pats, and they are concerned Moss might pull out an acoustic guitar to serenade Belichick in the post-game press conference. I'm picturing Lenny Kravitz' 'It ain't over till it's over' (Didn't work for Kravitz either).Maybe someone looked around and said, "How many wins did Moss bring his new team?" I think it is possible a playoff contender makes a push for him. Sure, it could happen. But I think most of the teams that fancy themselves playoff contenders don't want anything to do with him. Right now, ALL teams want nothing to do with him, so that really isn't going out on a limb.Chris Carter just said he saw him working out and he is still flat out fast. Quit hating just because the prom queen you married got fat and left you only to get her stomach stapled, turn back into a supermodel who decide to marry the guy that killed your dog "tuck". He'll be fine, but he is old.Yep, he'll be able to pick and choose his team, kinda like now, right?That's why he's retiring, right? Because he just has too many offers from all these top teams right? And because he is in the "best shape of his career", according to his agent? That's a refreshing change, by the way, I am so tired of agents calling out their players for being fat slugs. Stick a fork in him.Not only that, but he can almost guarantee his self a spot in the playoffs if he waits until midseason.Smart move IMHO.Honestly he'd probably be better for a team with 1/2 a season (so he's not worn out come playoffs).
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Warpig
Footballguy
Randy Moss doesn't strike me as the kind of person that even works out in the offseason. Best shape of his life? How so? I don't think he has the drive or dedication to keep his body in good shape like a Terrell Owens. I think Moss just thinks he can get by on his name alone. Not once you hit that big 30 buddy.
Too bad.
Too bad.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Moss is not the best of all time, but he's arguably #2, certainly top 5, and he might be the most athletically gifted player ever to play the game. He would have had a chance to become the best of all time if he hadn't started out in the Randy Ratio offense and moved to the Raiders. It's not like he got to play with Montana and Young for most of his career - he got one year with a fully healthy Brady, and he broke Rice's single season TD record. Culpepper was good, but he had very little success without Moss, and once teams figured him out instead of gameplanning for Moss, he fell off the map entirely. Still, if Moss had anything close to Rice's work ethic, he wouldn't have sucked for the Raiders the way he did, so it's not like he's without blame.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Brett Favre thinks this is a good idea.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think this is spot on. Moss is a sure-fire, lock Hall of Famer and any voter that tries to "punish" him by making him wait is, well, an idiot. The voters are explicitly supposed to keep any personal opinions of a person out of the voting, nor are they to factor in outside happenings (which is why someone like Lawrence Taylor wasn't held accountable for being a total off-the-field #####). But in terms of framing him among the all timers, I think he'll be remembered as one of the most talented pass catchers, but not one of the very best to ever play the game. As much as Terrell Owens killed my team and turned it into a soap opera, I always appreciated that Owens was ready to play. He played hurt, and he practiced hard and delivered. Moss let, several times in his career, mental issues or team dynamics DRAMATICALLY impact his on field performance...and that, to me, eliminates him from any discussion of the best ever.
Mark Wimer
Moderator
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Moss did not start off in the Randy Ratio offense; that wasn't implemented in Minnesota until his 5th season.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
not even close. when you have someone play both ways, special teams and kick, we will talk about the most athletically gifted player.don hutson was the man. He still holds NFL records 60 years after he retired. Feel free to compare him to all the steroid freaks of the past 20 years. He still rocks.
massraider
Footballguy
http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2011/08/01/randy-moss-decides-to-call-it-quits/
Hey, Titans coaching staff: Don't be HATIN'.
Probably not a bigger dropoff from #1 to #2 at any position. For the record, I'd take Marvin Harrison over Moss amongst recent WR's. Probably slot Moss just ahead of Owens though.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Randy Moss was taller, faster and could jump higher...I'm not sure what else you'd like to look at. Hutson was the best of his era, but I can assure you he doesn't scratch the stats Randy put up if he played in today's game.not even close. when you have someone play both ways, special teams and kick, we will talk about the most athletically gifted player.don hutson was the man. He still holds NFL records 60 years after he retired. Feel free to compare him to all the steroid freaks of the past 20 years. He still rocks.
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Carver
Footballguy
Wrong.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This.
