Randy Moss trade? (1 Viewer)

[nordstrom24]

I heard on ESPN radio this morning that there were rumors swirling about a potential trade for Randy Moss? I could have been confused though in that it could have been that Randy WANTS traded (big surprise and I don't think anything new).

Anyone hear anything out there on this? It could seriously impact some strategy / roster planning for some if this rumor were true, as I would be less likely to drop him this week if a trade were looming?

Would it be awesome if he got traded to the Dolphins (then he might be able to get 10 yards per game and TWO TDs every four weeks!!!!!!).

 

[3C's]

Trade for TO!

 

[Justloveit]

Pats should make a play for him.

 

[nordstrom24]

From CBS Sportsline -

"Analysis: Moss has done very little in the preseason, but there is nothing to worry about. Despite the fact Oakland has subpar quarterbacks, Moss still has to be considered one of the top receivers in Fantasy Football. He may end up being a second- or third-round steal for owners in 2006."

This is also why I mainly rely on FBG for predictions, although they had Randy kind of high too. I will say that the DD did help with drafting Laverneus Coles and Santana Moss as well....

Does anyone else find that the Sportsline site just mainly states the obvious and doesn't have a lot of insight on future performance....The guru function is even more jacked up in my opinion as it's almost never accurate!

 

[Kit Fisto]

Does anyone else find that the Sportsline site just mainly states the obvious and doesn't have a lot of insight on future performance....

I find most sites mainly state the obvious and don't have a lot of insight on future performance.Playing to the gups.

 

[JohnnyU]

Oak keeping Moss makes no sense whatsoever. They need help in many places, so if they can trade Moss for future help (a few picks) they should do it.

 

[bjabrad]

Oak keeping Moss makes no sense whatsoever. They need help in many places, so if they can trade Moss for future help (a few picks) they should do it.

yes, but he's such a leader on that team I don't know how the team chemistry can survive without him.

 

[JohnnyU]

Oak keeping Moss makes no sense whatsoever. They need help in many places, so if they can trade Moss for future help (a few picks) they should do it.

yes, but he's such a leader on that team I don't know how the team chemistry can survive without him.

, good one.

 

[B-Deep]

I just wonder what his trade value is right now in the NFL

 

[redman]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Oak keeping Moss makes no sense whatsoever. They need help in many places, so if they can trade Moss for future help (a few picks) they should do it.

Agree 100%

 

[PatsWillWin]

Never going to happen.

 

[JohnnyU]

I just wonder what his trade value is right now in the NFL

Ok, I'll play. I'll say his "real" NFL value is a 2nd rd pick, or a 3rd and 5th. You would think if NE can get a #1 for Branch, then Oak should be able to get a #1 for Moss, but his past works against him IMO. Maybe they could get a #1 from a team who's first rd pick will be low, but I doubt it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Never going to happen.

Elaborate?

 

[bigums]

I caught a soundbite of Randy this morning saying something like, "If its in the best interests of the team to trade me, then so be it. I've been traded once; twice is no big deal."

Didn't sound like he's invested much of himself in Oakland at all.

 

[rascal]

Pats give up a first for him makes sense with their situation.

 

[redman]

I caught a soundbite of Randy this morning saying something like, "If its in the best interests of the team to trade me, then so be it. I've been traded once; twice is no big deal."

Didn't sound like he's invested much of himself in Oakland any team at all.

Fixed.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Never going to happen.

Elaborate?

Al Davis is incapable of "blowing it up" for the future. And Randy Moss is being paied too much.

 

[JohnnyU]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Vikings have plenty of CAP ROOM, correct?

 

[Sabertooth]

The Packers sure do.

 

[redman]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Vikings have plenty of CAP ROOM, correct?

Actually, he would probably be unstoppable in Brad Childress' offense, but I think Mexico will get California back before Randy returns to the Vikings.

 

[Tau837]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

Without knowing the particulars of his contract, I'd think it is less an issue for the other teams than for Oakland, since his signing bonus would accelerate into a cap hit that would be split evenly over this season and next. The team that trades for him would have to have room only for his base salary, so it is possible that would be workable.Of course, if a team trades players for him, they would have the same issue of those players' accelerated bonuses.And, if Oakland got players for him in return, they would obviously have to fit their salaries under their cap, along with the Moss cap hit.I would say this would be extremely unlikely to happen during the season. I could see it this offseason, though.

 

[redman]

The Packers sure do.

Wow, that would be a fun revenge story to see played out twice a year!

 

[Donnybrook]

Oak keeping Moss makes no sense whatsoever. They need help in many places, so if they can trade Moss for future help (a few picks) they should do it.

I agree. Oakland can't protect the QB long enough to get the ball to Moss. There is no point keeping him if they can't use him.

 

[JohnnyU]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Vikings have plenty of CAP ROOM, correct?

Actually, he would probably be unstoppable in Brad Childress' offense, but I think Mexico will get California back before Randy returns to the Vikings.

That's for sure, but I couldn't resist.

 

[redman]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

Without knowing the particulars of his contract, I'd think it is less an issue for the other teams than for Oakland, since his signing bonus would accelerate into a cap hit that would be split evenly over this season and next. The team that trades for him would have to have room only for his base salary, so it is possible that would be workable.Of course, if a team trades players for him, they would have the same issue of those players' accelerated bonuses.

And, if Oakland got players for him in return, they would obviously have to fit their salaries under their cap, along with the Moss cap hit.

I would say this would be extremely unlikely to happen during the season. I could see it this offseason, though.

You and I are saying the same thing. At this time of year teams have committed to enough players to complete their rosters and have (mostly) shot their wad when it came to dishing out for FA's. The soonest this can happen as a practical matter is February when both the Raiders and the potential trading partner are in a position to free up cap space freely.

 

[Wadsworth]

If they moved Moss what do they do with Porter? Continue to let him rot on the bench? As fun as it is to talk of a Moss trade, this would be a hard to trade to work out unless some team REALLY wanted Moss.

 

[Ears]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

Without knowing the particulars of his contract, I'd think it is less an issue for the other teams than for Oakland, since his signing bonus would accelerate into a cap hit that would be split evenly over this season and next. The team that trades for him would have to have room only for his base salary, so it is possible that would be workable.Of course, if a team trades players for him, they would have the same issue of those players' accelerated bonuses.

And, if Oakland got players for him in return, they would obviously have to fit their salaries under their cap, along with the Moss cap hit.

I would say this would be extremely unlikely to happen during the season. I could see it this offseason, though.

Moss' contract was an 8 year, $75M deal that included an $18M signing bonus (Links to base salary details and bonus). His cap number this year is $9.75M ($2.25M bonus + $7.5M base); a mid-season trade would result in a cap number of $17.25M ($7.5M * 0.5) + (3 years bonus of $4.5M). This doesn't include the effect of any 'likely to be earned' bonuses. Can't see Oakland taking an additional $7.5M hit this year, but with Al Davis you never know...

 

[Hinezer]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

Without knowing the particulars of his contract, I'd think it is less an issue for the other teams than for Oakland, since his signing bonus would accelerate into a cap hit that would be split evenly over this season and next. The team that trades for him would have to have room only for his base salary, so it is possible that would be workable.Of course, if a team trades players for him, they would have the same issue of those players' accelerated bonuses.

And, if Oakland got players for him in return, they would obviously have to fit their salaries under their cap, along with the Moss cap hit.

I would say this would be extremely unlikely to happen during the season. I could see it this offseason, though.

Moss' contract was an 8 year, $75M deal that included an $18M signing bonus (Links to base salary details and bonus). His cap number this year is $9.75M ($2.25M bonus + $7.5M base); a mid-season trade would result in a cap number of $17.25M ($7.5M * 0.5) + (3 years bonus of $4.5M). This doesn't include the effect of any 'likely to be earned' bonuses. Can't see Oakland taking an additional $7.5M hit this year, but with Al Davis you never know...

Actually the cap hit would be even more because after the trade, he redid his contract to lower his cap number last year by converting base salary into a signing bonus.

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

Everyone who was saying the Vikes made a horrible trade dealing him for a high first-round pick (used to get Williamson), Napoleon Harris (starting MLB doing well now), and a 7th-round pick (used to get Cowart, last year's starting MLB) probably now have a different view of the trade. While the deal freed up tons of cap for the Vikes to rebuild their team, it left the Raiders in cap hell, killing the quality of the rest of their team.

The Culpepper trade for a 2nd-round pick (used on OL Cook) probably isn't looking as bad for the Vikes as everyone initially thought, either. This one also freed up a ton of cap space for free agent signings.

After these two trades, the Vikings now have a solid foundation for a strong team for the future. Without these trades, they'd probably be like the Raiders, in cap hell and without much of a team foundation.

 

[Loopdog]

would love to see Atlanta make a push for him since thats where he wanted to play before he was dealt to Oakland

 

[SSOG]

I just wonder what his trade value is right now in the NFL

If my fantasy league is anything to go on, he's worth a T.J. Houshmandzadeh, or maybe a Joseph Addai.

 

[BigTex]

would love to see Atlanta make a push for him since thats where he wanted to play before he was dealt to Oakland

He's just what Vick need's, someone he can't overthrow. Good spot for Moss and as an owner I'd rejoice.

 

[RKMoney]

From CBS Sportsline -

"Analysis: Moss has done very little in the preseason, but there is nothing to worry about. Despite the fact Oakland has subpar quarterbacks, Moss still has to be considered one of the top receivers in Fantasy Football. He may end up being a second- or third-round steal for owners in 2006."



This is also why I mainly rely on FBG for predictions, although they had Randy kind of high too. I will say that the DD did help with drafting Laverneus Coles and Santana Moss as well....

Does anyone else find that the Sportsline site just mainly states the obvious and doesn't have a lot of insight on future performance....The guru function is even more jacked up in my opinion as it's almost never accurate!

And there was lots of predictions that so far has been a bomb here. Brown for starters.The key word is predictions, every one's got them but they are a total guessing game. Colston is a prime example. Where were the "experts" on this guy?

 

[RKMoney]

Does anyone else find that the Sportsline site just mainly states the obvious and doesn't have a lot of insight on future performance....

I find most sites mainly state the obvious and don't have a lot of insight on future performance.Playing to the gups.

NOBODY and I mean NOBODY can predict the future regarding how well/bad these guys are going to play. If anyone could accurately predict future performance then please see me.

 

[Couch Potato]

Rule of thumb for me ever since Bruce Allen and John Gruden left -- if Raiders management can find something to screw up, they'll do it.

 

[a_rackowski]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Packers could fit him under their CAP and they have a young QB named Aaron Rodgers as well as a broken foot for Robert Ferguson. Would Aaron Rogers and William Henderson entice the Raiders at all? Maybe the pack takes Tuiasappo(sp) in return also?

 

[PatsWillWin]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Packers could fit him under their CAP and they have a young QB named Aaron Rodgers as well as a broken foot for Robert Ferguson. Would Aaron Rogers and William Henderson entice the Raiders at all? Maybe the pack takes Tuiasappo(sp) in return also?

This is not the MLB.And this is not a fantasy league.

 

[a_rackowski]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Packers could fit him under their CAP and they have a young QB named Aaron Rodgers as well as a broken foot for Robert Ferguson. Would Aaron Rogers and William Henderson entice the Raiders at all? Maybe the pack takes Tuiasappo(sp) in return also?

This is not the MLB.And this is not a fantasy league.

Are you telling me that the raiders wouldnt want to dump Mosses contract? Are you saying the Raiders dont have a need for a QB with some talent? Are you also telling me that Jordan wouldnt be a better runner with a former probowl FB in front of him? I dont see what is so far fetched.

 

[PatsWillWin]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Packers could fit him under their CAP and they have a young QB named Aaron Rodgers as well as a broken foot for Robert Ferguson. Would Aaron Rogers and William Henderson entice the Raiders at all? Maybe the pack takes Tuiasappo(sp) in return also?

This is not the MLB.And this is not a fantasy league.

Are you telling me that the raiders wouldnt want to dump Mosses contract? Are you saying the Raiders dont have a need for a QB with some talent? Are you also telling me that Jordan wouldnt be a better runner with a former probowl FB in front of him? I dont see what is so far fetched.

No. No you missed the point.1. This is not the MLB.Large multi-player trades do not happen like in baseball when someone has an extra utility player and needs some middle relief help.2. And this is not a fantasy league.In the real world, people learn systems, get accustomed to coaches, form relationships, and have cap numbers. The Raiders may want to move Moss, and Jordan could use a fullback - great - but the Packers are not trading their heir apparent at the QB position to add a friggin WR. Not to mention WR isn't even a need for them. The Packers are one of the youngest teams in football, despite Favre sticking around. Them trading Rodgers for Moss makes (wow) no sense whatsoever.But it would on a fantasy team.

 

[Gambino]

would love to see Atlanta make a push for him since thats where he wanted to play before he was dealt to Oakland

Never happen on Arthur Blank's watch. Moss said in an interview that he was told the organization had no interest in him. Same thing with T.O. when he wanted to go to Atlanta.

 

[a_rackowski]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Packers could fit him under their CAP and they have a young QB named Aaron Rodgers as well as a broken foot for Robert Ferguson. Would Aaron Rogers and William Henderson entice the Raiders at all? Maybe the pack takes Tuiasappo(sp) in return also?

This is not the MLB.And this is not a fantasy league.

Are you telling me that the raiders wouldnt want to dump Mosses contract? Are you saying the Raiders dont have a need for a QB with some talent? Are you also telling me that Jordan wouldnt be a better runner with a former probowl FB in front of him? I dont see what is so far fetched.

No. No you missed the point.1. This is not the MLB.Large multi-player trades do not happen like in baseball when someone has an extra utility player and needs some middle relief help.2. And this is not a fantasy league.In the real world, people learn systems, get accustomed to coaches, form relationships, and have cap numbers. The Raiders may want to move Moss, and Jordan could use a fullback - great - but the Packers are not trading their heir apparent at the QB position to add a friggin WR. Not to mention WR isn't even a need for them. The Packers are one of the youngest teams in football, despite Favre sticking around. Them trading Rodgers for Moss makes (wow) no sense whatsoever.But it would on a fantasy team.

I RESPECTFULLY disagree with you. The Packers dont need a WR? They have thrown the ball ONEHUNDRED AND THIRTYFIVE times over THE LAST 3 GAMES!!!!!To say they dont need a WR is crazy. They just lost Ferguson for at least a few weeks, Koren Robinson will be suspended as soon as the league gets around to it. The Packers have a Hall of Fame QB and ever since Javon Walker has been out they have nobody who can GO AND GET THE BALL. Driver is a real nice WR but he doesnt GO AND GET IT. Jennings is a big play guy, but again he doesnt go and get it, he has always - throughout college, made his plays AFTER he makes the catch. I just totally disagree with you here. Favre can still play and the more weapons you give him the better he will be and the longer he will play.

 

[PatsWillWin]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

The Packers could fit him under their CAP and they have a young QB named Aaron Rodgers as well as a broken foot for Robert Ferguson. Would Aaron Rogers and William Henderson entice the Raiders at all? Maybe the pack takes Tuiasappo(sp) in return also?

This is not the MLB.And this is not a fantasy league.

Are you telling me that the raiders wouldnt want to dump Mosses contract? Are you saying the Raiders dont have a need for a QB with some talent? Are you also telling me that Jordan wouldnt be a better runner with a former probowl FB in front of him? I dont see what is so far fetched.

No. No you missed the point.1. This is not the MLB.

Large multi-player trades do not happen like in baseball when someone has an extra utility player and needs some middle relief help.

2. And this is not a fantasy league.

In the real world, people learn systems, get accustomed to coaches, form relationships, and have cap numbers. The Raiders may want to move Moss, and Jordan could use a fullback - great - but the Packers are not trading their heir apparent at the QB position to add a friggin WR. Not to mention WR isn't even a need for them.

The Packers are one of the youngest teams in football, despite Favre sticking around. Them trading Rodgers for Moss makes (wow) no sense whatsoever.

But it would on a fantasy team.

I RESPECTFULLY disagree with you. The Packers dont need a WR? They have thrown the ball ONEHUNDRED AND THIRTYFIVE times over THE LAST 3 GAMES!!!!!

To say they dont need a WR is crazy. They just lost Ferguson for at least a few weeks, Koren Robinson will be suspended as soon as the league gets around to it. The Packers have a Hall of Fame QB and ever since Javon Walker has been out they have nobody who can GO AND GET THE BALL. Driver is a real nice WR but he doesnt GO AND GET IT. Jennings is a big play guy, but again he doesnt go and get it, he has always - throughout college, made his plays AFTER he makes the catch.

I just totally disagree with you here. Favre can still play and the more weapons you give him the better he will be and the longer he will play.

Wow I was hoping I misunderstood you. So you think that the Packers are contenders, huh? That they're going to go out there, give away their future starter so they can get a WR that "puts them over the top" in the NFC North? Guy, the Packers are terrible. Their line is terrible. Their secondary is terrible. On occassion, their QB is terrible. Their running game is terrible. THEIR WR'S ARE GOOD.

The idea that the Packers are going to trade Aaron Rodgers to replace Robert Ferguson with Randy Moss is ridiculous - it's also been a long time since Moss has consistently shown he'll "GO AND GET THE BALL".

I'd even go this far: All things considered, age, attitude, contract, coachability, etc., the Packers would rather have Greg Jennings than Randy Moss right now.

 

[Velcro]

I'll challenge the conventional wisdom. Everyone here assumes that we're talking about Randy Moss from 2003. He has 7 catches for 84 yards through 3 games. Last season, with Kerry Collins and his strong arm, Moss put up 1005 yards and 8 TDs. Certainly those are decent numbers for a #2 WR, but not the stud most here were imagining.

I know he has a rook at QB now, but the numbers weren't any better in game 1 when he had a veteran. And no one was complaining about Moss's numbers in Culpepper's rookie year.

Now I haven't seen every game, and I'm certainly not a talent scout by any stretch, but isn't it conceivable that Moss is suffering a Herman Moore-like decline?

I don't have Moss on my roster, but I do have Rod Smith.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Randy Moss Not Concerned --

Tue Oct 3, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Contra Costa Times reports Raiders WR Randy Moss got criticized in certain circles for his failure to catch a long pass that appeared within his reach and for not challenging defensive backs for several other passes that were up for grabs Sunday. His comments Monday on his weekly radio spot on Fox Sports lend credence to those who criticized Moss' play Sunday as being indifferent. "I'm not concerned about football right now," Moss said. "I'm loving life." When asked if he should be more concerned about the way things are going, he said: "No, I don't see anybody else having a concern, so why should I? There are negative things going on now. I'm not the only one unhappy." Moss made a highlight-reel catch of a QB Andrew Walter pass for a 5-yard touchdown for his lone reception of the game. Walter threw Moss' way seven times. "It was a bad game for me," Moss said. "It was hard to get into the game physically, to get myself sweating. But you have to be a pro."

 

[a_rackowski]

"The Packers Line Sucks" : I respectfully disagree. They have given up 0 sacks over the last 2 games. 2 sacks over the last 3 games. The line is improving with each week that goes by. 4 sacks the first game vs the Bears, 2 sacks the next and then no sacks over the last 2 weeks. Major Imporovements.

The backup Running back who came over in a week 3 trade gained 99 yards on the ground and 120 overall. I think thats pretty decent. Again - I disagree wiht your assessment that the Packers OLINE sucks.

I do not believe the Packers have given up on the season. I understand that they are 1-3. The Vikings are 2-2 and the Lions are 0-4.

Over the next 5 weeks GB has St Louis at home, the Bye week to prepare for Miami, Arizona at home, and then At Buffalo.

None of those games would be unwinnable by any stretch of the imagination. 9-7 Makes the playoffs. Its too early to count teams out.

In 2004 The packers started 1-3 and still made the playoffs.

"Brett Favre sometimes sucks" - so does every player in the league. He tries to do too much with what he has available to him. Like I said - he doesnt have Javon Walker anymore - Walker would climb a ladder for him and make plays. Favre doesnt have that guy. Jennings is a playmaker but like I said he does it after the catch.

Favre doesnt suck. He just doesnt have that guy to go and get the ball. Maybe it would be Porter but I do VERY CLEARLY think the Packers ARE in the market for a WR. Like I said - they will be losing Koren Robinson very shortly for his DWI and Ferguson thinks he broke his foot.

That leaves them with Driver and Jennings. Neither A first year head coach Nor 2nd year General Manager with 7.5 million in CAP room have the job security to let a season go 4 weeks into it. Its not going to happen. Bob Harlan would not let it happen in his last year at the Helm.

By the way - this is a good discussion. Lets keep it that way.

 

[PatsWillWin]

"The Packers Line Sucks" : I respectfully disagree. They have given up 0 sacks over the last 2 games. 2 sacks over the last 3 games. The line is improving with each week that goes by. 4 sacks the first game vs the Bears, 2 sacks the next and then no sacks over the last 2 weeks. Major Imporovements. The backup Running back who came over in a week 3 trade gained 99 yards on the ground and 120 overall. I think thats pretty decent. I do not believe the Packers have given up on the season. I understand that they are 1-3. The Vikings are 2-2 and the Lions are 0-4. Over the next 5 weeks GB has St Louis at home, the Bye week to prepare for Miami, Arizona at home, and then At Buffalo.None of those games would be unwinnable by any stretch of the imagination. 9-7 Makes the playoffs. Its too early to count teams out. In 2004 The packers started 1-3 and still made the playoffs. "Brett Favre sometimes sucks" - so does every player in the league. He tries to do too much with what he has available to him. Like I said - he doesnt have Javon Walker anymore - Walker would climb a ladder for him and make plays. Favre doesnt have that guy. Jennings is a playmaker but like I said he does it after the catch. Favre doesnt suck. He just doesnt have that guy to go and get the ball. Maybe it would be Porter but I do VERY CLERALY think the Packers ARE in the market for a WR. Like I said - they will be losing Koren Robinson very shortly for his DWI and Ferguson thinks he broke his foot. That leaves them with Driver and Jennings. A first year coach and 2nd year General Manager with 7.5 million in CAP room does not have the job security to let a season go. Its not going to happen. Bob Harlan would not let it happen in his last year at the Helm.By the way - this is a good discussion. Lets keep it that way.

Well, I'm just going to agree with you that we disagree. I don't think the Packers are contenders, I don't think they're in the market for a WR, and if they were, I don't think the guy they'd want is the oft-injured, loud-mouth WR who is on the decline and has a massive cap number. And, even if they were, they're not trading Aaron Rodgers for it.I've said all I can say - thank you for your opinion.

 

[Foosball God]

"The Packers Line Sucks" : I respectfully disagree. They have given up 0 sacks over the last 2 games. 2 sacks over the last 3 games. The line is improving with each week that goes by. 4 sacks the first game vs the Bears, 2 sacks the next and then no sacks over the last 2 weeks. Major Imporovements. The backup Running back who came over in a week 3 trade gained 99 yards on the ground and 120 overall. I think thats pretty decent. Again - I disagree wiht your assessment that the Packers OLINE sucks. I do not believe the Packers have given up on the season. I understand that they are 1-3. The Vikings are 2-2 and the Lions are 0-4. Over the next 5 weeks GB has St Louis at home, the Bye week to prepare for Miami, Arizona at home, and then At Buffalo.None of those games would be unwinnable by any stretch of the imagination. 9-7 Makes the playoffs. Its too early to count teams out. In 2004 The packers started 1-3 and still made the playoffs. "Brett Favre sometimes sucks" - so does every player in the league. He tries to do too much with what he has available to him. Like I said - he doesnt have Javon Walker anymore - Walker would climb a ladder for him and make plays. Favre doesnt have that guy. Jennings is a playmaker but like I said he does it after the catch. Favre doesnt suck. He just doesnt have that guy to go and get the ball. Maybe it would be Porter but I do VERY CLEARLY think the Packers ARE in the market for a WR. Like I said - they will be losing Koren Robinson very shortly for his DWI and Ferguson thinks he broke his foot. That leaves them with Driver and Jennings. Neither A first year head coach Nor 2nd year General Manager with 7.5 million in CAP room have the job security to let a season go 4 weeks into it. Its not going to happen. Bob Harlan would not let it happen in his last year at the Helm.By the way - this is a good discussion. Lets keep it that way.

They just barely beat the 0-4 Lions for their one victory. I think you need to stop drinking the Cheese Kool-Aid.

 

[Hawk]

Randy Moss Not Concerned --Tue Oct 3, 2006 --from FFMastermind.comThe Contra Costa Times reports Raiders WR Randy Moss got criticized in certain circles for his failure to catch a long pass that appeared within his reach and for not challenging defensive backs for several other passes that were up for grabs Sunday. His comments Monday on his weekly radio spot on Fox Sports lend credence to those who criticized Moss' play Sunday as being indifferent. "I'm not concerned about football right now," Moss said. "I'm loving life." When asked if he should be more concerned about the way things are going, he said: "No, I don't see anybody else having a concern, so why should I? There are negative things going on now. I'm not the only one unhappy." Moss made a highlight-reel catch of a QB Andrew Walter pass for a 5-yard touchdown for his lone reception of the game. Walter threw Moss' way seven times. "It was a bad game for me," Moss said. "It was hard to get into the game physically, to get myself sweating. But you have to be a pro."

Moss is a worthless, selfish punk. He was one of my keepers in a keep 5 league, so its painful to watch him slacking off and sucking so badly. I'm benching him for Colston or Jennings at this point.

 

[BoulderBob]

Somebody post his contract...his bonus is probably the determining factor in any potential trade.

EDIT: Nevermind

"Moss' contract was an 8 year, $75M deal that included an $18M signing bonus (Links to base salary details and bonus). His cap number this year is $9.75M ($2.25M bonus + $7.5M base); a mid-season trade would result in a cap number of $17.25M ($7.5M * 0.5) + (3 years bonus of $4.5M). This doesn't include the effect of any 'likely to be earned' bonuses. Can't see Oakland taking an additional $7.5M hit this year, but with Al Davis you never know..."

from above