Rashied Davis TD (1 Viewer)

[Bobcat10]

How is your league/site scoring this one? Do you have a special rule in place for instances like this?

Looks like CBS has changed the scoring to reward the Bears defense for a 3rd TD (they also had another 0yd fumble recovery for TD by the special teams, which makes sense). MFL has rewarded the Davis TD to nobody.

What if Davis would have fallen on the ball at the 1yd line and rolled into the end zone...would that have counted as a 1yd rushing TD?

 

[blackjack23]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

 

[NoCheese]

Initially, it was awarded as a 3rd defensive TD on fanball, but changed hours later. In no way would that be considered a special teams TD. It was an offensive play

 

[Twilight]

MFL will award the TD if you have it in your rules

From MFL:

How can I set up the league rules to make sure the various touchdowns from the Bears/Vikings game in Week #7 are scored properly?

Answer: In the first quarter, the Bears scored after a Blocked Punt. This type of TD has happened several times already this year, so you should have this rule set up properly for your league now. If not, make sure you have the "Blocked Punt TD" rule created in your league. Note that this TD will also be included in the "Number of Defensive and Special Teams TDs" rule if you have that set up.

In the second quarter, the Bears scored after they punted and a player on the Vikings inadvertently touched the ball near the goal line, and then Zackary Bowman of the Bears recovered it in the end zone. This type of TD is scored as a "Defensive Fumble Recovery TD". Note that there is not a separate rule available for a "Special Teams Fumble Recovery TD" since the NFL doesn't differentiate fumble recovery TDs that way. Therefore, if you want this TD to be scored for your Special Teams position, your best option is to use the Setup > Adjust Scores And Standings > Player Score Adjuster screen to add the fantasy points to the Bears Special Teams position.

In the third quarter, the Bears scored after Desmond Clark caught a pass from Kyle Orton. He ran it all the way to the 1 yard line and then fumbled. Then Rashied Davis of the Bears fell on it in the end zone for a 0 yard "Offensive Fumble Recovery TD". This is the first TD of this type that has been scored so far in 2008, so if you want Davis to receive points for this TD, be sure to add the rule called "Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs" or the rule called "Length of Offensive Fumble Recovery TD" to your Wide Receiver position as needed.

 

[PoolShark]

What if Davis would have fallen on the ball at the 1yd line and rolled into the end zone...would that have counted as a 1yd rushing TD?

Actually, I think it would be considered a receiving TD, since the play was originally a completed pass. Not 100% on that though.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

How is your league/site scoring this one? Do you have a special rule in place for instances like this? Looks like CBS has changed the scoring to reward the Bears defense for a 3rd TD (they also had another 0yd fumble recovery for TD by the special teams, which makes sense). MFL has rewarded the Davis TD to nobody.What if Davis would have fallen on the ball at the 1yd line and rolled into the end zone...would that have counted as a 1yd rushing TD?

It looks like it should be a fumble recovery TD awarded to Davis. There's a catagory for fumble recovery on offense. If you don't use that stat you wont see his points no matter what happens. CBS appears to have it scored wrong for the moment. That's not official until Tuesday though.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

What if Davis would have fallen on the ball at the 1yd line and rolled into the end zone...would that have counted as a 1yd rushing TD?

Actually, I think it would be considered a receiving TD, since the play was originally a completed pass. Not 100% on that though.

It would still be a fumble recovery TD. You'd also have 1 yard of fumble recovery offense. There are stats for both of those in Sportsline.

 

[PoolShark]

I think the biggest deal is for the Bears D, no doubt a starter in almost every league.

The league I run is hosted on RTSports, and they have it scored properly (the guy starting CHI got credit for 2 def/sp tms TDs, but not for the off fum rec TD.

I'm in another league on CBS though, and for some reason they have it scored as some type of def or spec tms TD at the moment. Not sure why since CBS has a specific category for OFRTD - offensive fum rec TD (which this obviously was).

 

[PoolShark]

What if Davis would have fallen on the ball at the 1yd line and rolled into the end zone...would that have counted as a 1yd rushing TD?

Actually, I think it would be considered a receiving TD, since the play was originally a completed pass. Not 100% on that though.

It would still be a fumble recovery TD. You'd also have 1 yard of fumble recovery offense. There are stats for both of those in Sportsline.

OK...maybe I'm thinking of a play involving an intentional lateral.

 

[Bobcat10]

I think the biggest deal is for the Bears D, no doubt a starter in almost every league.

Unfortunately, not for me, and I lost by 1.1pts.

 

[PoolShark]

I think the biggest deal is for the Bears D, no doubt a starter in almost every league.

Unfortunately, not for me, and I lost by 1.1pts.

Guess it depends on your scoring system. I assume you have Davis. In the league I run, you would be getting the 6 pts. In addition to the normal rush/rec scoring, we give pts for "any other TD scored" by offensive players. Normally this only comes into play with KO & punt returns, but would have counted here too.In another league I play though, you don't get squat unless it was a rush/rec TD. No return TDs of any kind. Would have eliminated my only loss in that league the week Bush had those 2 return TDs...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

I have my CBS scoring set up to allow the player the TD on an offensive fumble recovery for a TD.

 

[Two Deep]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

I have my CBS scoring set up to allow the player the TD on an offensive fumble recovery for a TD.

I didn't see the play. Did Davis recover it clean or did the defensive player breifly have possesion and Davis recoeverd it afterwards. If so does Davis not become the defending player and hence the defensive TD.

 

[PoolShark]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

I have my CBS scoring set up to allow the player the TD on an offensive fumble recovery for a TD.

I didn't see the play. Did Davis recover it clean or did the defensive player breifly have possesion and Davis recoeverd it afterwards. If so does Davis not become the defending player and hence the defensive TD.

The play by play doesn't read like that:2-6-MIN36 (12:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Orton pass short middle to D.Clark to MIN 1 for 35 yards (C.Griffin). FUMBLES (C.Griffin), recovered by CHI-R.Davis at MIN -1. TOUCHDOWN. CHI-D.Hester was injured during the play. He is Out. But even if it did, it still isn't a "defensive" FRTD. The DEF isn't on the field, nor is the Special Teams if you break it down that far. This is similar to the McCardell (?) TD a couple years ago IIRC. Was a huge deal, but the consensus at the end seemed to be that if the play started with (in this case) the Bears OFF on the field, the fact that they had to play defense at some point didn't mean the stats they recorded were "defensive." If they were on offense to start the play, they were considered offense for the duration of the play, irregardless of what happened.

 

[Two Deep]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

I have my CBS scoring set up to allow the player the TD on an offensive fumble recovery for a TD.

I didn't see the play. Did Davis recover it clean or did the defensive player breifly have possesion and Davis recoeverd it afterwards. If so does Davis not become the defending player and hence the defensive TD.

The play by play doesn't read like that:2-6-MIN36 (12:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Orton pass short middle to D.Clark to MIN 1 for 35 yards (C.Griffin). FUMBLES (C.Griffin), recovered by CHI-R.Davis at MIN -1. TOUCHDOWN. CHI-D.Hester was injured during the play. He is Out. But even if it did, it still isn't a "defensive" FRTD. The DEF isn't on the field, nor is the Special Teams if you break it down that far. This is similar to the McCardell (?) TD a couple years ago IIRC. Was a huge deal, but the consensus at the end seemed to be that if the play started with (in this case) the Bears OFF on the field, the fact that they had to play defense at some point didn't mean the stats they recorded were "defensive." If they were on offense to start the play, they were considered offense for the duration of the play, irregardless of what happened.

hey thats enough out of you, I'm grasping at straws here I went to bed a loser and woke up a winner!

 

[SKIDMARK]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

 

[FavreCo]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

That would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. It usually happens at least once a year. I think Kevin Curtis last year. Still googling it.

 

[identikit]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

That would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. It usually happens at least once a year. I think Kevin Curtis last year. Still googling it.

This is correct.

 

[FavreCo]

Happened here I beleive:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...00712230nor.htm

Kevin Curtis.

 

[TommyGilmore]

What if Davis would have fallen on the ball at the 1yd line and rolled into the end zone...would that have counted as a 1yd rushing TD?

Actually, I think it would be considered a receiving TD, since the play was originally a completed pass. Not 100% on that though.

That would only be the case if there had been a lateral. But once there is a fumble, the original play ends (whether it was a rush or a reception) and it becomes a Fumble Return.

 

[FavreCo]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

Hoever you scored this last year:1-M.Gramatica kicks 67 yards from NO 30 to PHI 3. 30-J.Reed to PHI 27 for 24 yards (41-R.Harper).

1-10-PHI 27 (14:54) 36-B.Westbrook right end to PHI 30 for 3 yards (94-C.Grant).

2-7-PHI 30 (14:13) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 87-B.Celek to PHI 36 for 6 yards (58-S.Shanle).

3-1-PHI 36 (13:33) 5-D.McNabb left end to NO 24 for 40 yards (29-J.Bullocks). FUMBLES (29-J.Bullocks), touched at NO 2, recovered by PHI-80-K.Curtis at NO 0. TOUCHDOWN. INJURY - New Orleans #34 McKenzie injured on the play and helped off the field.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?g...p;override=true

 

[identikit]

According to this link, Curtis did this 2 weeks in a row:

http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80595658

The first one on 12/23/07 was at the end of a McNabb run, and this one on 12/30/08 after a WR fumble.

 

[David Yudkin]

I haven't seen the play, but if the Vikings never took possession of the ball I see no way a case could be made that this was a defensive TD.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I haven't seen the play, but if the Vikings never took possession of the ball I see no way a case could be made that this was a defensive TD.

Even if the defense took possession, it would be a questionable call. But if the defense NEVER took posession, there's no way you can argue with a straight face that it was a defensive TD.

 

[FavreCo]

I haven't seen the play, but if the Vikings never took possession of the ball I see no way a case could be made that this was a defensive TD.

Even if the defense took possession, it would be a questionable call. But if the defense NEVER took posession, there's no way you can argue with a straight face that it was a defensive TD.

Like McCardell did in 2003. Man was that a controversy. (5:17) B.Johnson pass intended for K.Dilger INTERCEPTED by M.Doss at IND 41. M.Doss to TB 44 for 15 yards (J.Wade). FUMBLES (J.Wade), touched at TB 43, RECOVERED by TB-K.McCardell at TB 43. K.McCardell for 57 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

Last season around week 15 Kevin Curtis recovered a fumble in the endzone for the Eagles.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

I have my CBS scoring set up to allow the player the TD on an offensive fumble recovery for a TD.

I didn't see the play. Did Davis recover it clean or did the defensive player breifly have possesion and Davis recoeverd it afterwards. If so does Davis not become the defending player and hence the defensive TD.

I didn't see it and in my league it wouln't matter. I "mispoke" when I siad "offensive", its actually Individual Fumble Recovery TD that grants six points to the player.

 

[FavreCo]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

Last season around week 15 Kevin Curtis recovered a fumble in the endzone for the Eagles.

Didn't we already establish this earlier in the thread? Or am I on ignore?

 

[urbanhack]

The defense was never on the field. Its an offensive fumble recovery TD for Davis. In my league, Davis gets 6 pts for it.

No sure why this is so difficult to understand.

 

[supermark_28]

Why is the Chicago Bears DST being awarded 3 touchdowns?

Question

Why is the Chicago Bears DST being awarded 3 touchdowns?

Answer

The Chicago Bears DST is incorrectly being awarded 3 defensive touchdowns. The correct number of DST touchdowns should be 2. The third DST (STTD) being awarded is an offensive fumble reccovery for a touchdown. This error will be corrected with the official nightly stats run.

Sorry if this has already been posted. This was under the "help" tab on CBS Sportsline..

 

[FavreCo]

Why is the Chicago Bears DST being awarded 3 touchdowns?

Question

Why is the Chicago Bears DST being awarded 3 touchdowns?

Answer

The Chicago Bears DST is incorrectly being awarded 3 defensive touchdowns. The correct number of DST touchdowns should be 2. The third DST (STTD) being awarded is an offensive fumble reccovery for a touchdown. This error will be corrected with the official nightly stats run.

Sorry if this has already been posted. This was under the "help" tab on CBS Sportsline..

It's a wrap.

 

[davearm]

99% of these questions go away with one simple understanding:

Any play in which the ball is not actually kicked: OFF is OFF for the entire play, and DEF is DEF for the entire play. This includes all fake FGs, fake punts, botched holds, snap sails over the punter's head, etc etc.

Any play in which the ball is actually kicked (punt, placekick, or kickoff): both teams are ST for the entire play.

Problem solved. CHI D/ST is a non-entity for this Davis play (even if MIN had gained momentary possession of the ball). All that's left to ask is whether your league awards individual points for OFRTDs.

 

[TommyGilmore]

99% of these questions go away with one simple understanding:Any play in which the ball is not actually kicked: OFF is OFF for the entire play, and DEF is DEF for the entire play. This includes all fake FGs, fake punts, botched holds, snap sails over the punter's head, etc etc. Any play in which the ball is actually kicked (punt, placekick, or kickoff): both teams are ST for the entire play.Problem solved. CHI D/ST is a non-entity for this Davis play (even if MIN had gained momentary possession of the ball). All that's left to ask is whether your league awards individual points for OFRTDs.

This may provide the answer to the question, "Should the Chicago D/ST get credit for this TD?" (answer: "No")But it DOES NOT provide the answer to the question, "Should Davis get credit for this TD?"

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Does anyone know when was the last time a play like this occured. I'm trying to go back because I believe our league manually fixed the score to allow the player who recovered the football a TD.

Last season around week 15 Kevin Curtis recovered a fumble in the endzone for the Eagles.

Didn't we already establish this earlier in the thread? Or am I on ignore?

I wouldd never ignore Brett Favre , just responded before reading the whole thread.

 

[davearm]

99% of these questions go away with one simple understanding:Any play in which the ball is not actually kicked: OFF is OFF for the entire play, and DEF is DEF for the entire play. This includes all fake FGs, fake punts, botched holds, snap sails over the punter's head, etc etc. Any play in which the ball is actually kicked (punt, placekick, or kickoff): both teams are ST for the entire play.Problem solved. CHI D/ST is a non-entity for this Davis play (even if MIN had gained momentary possession of the ball). All that's left to ask is whether your league awards individual points for OFRTDs.

This may provide the answer to the question, "Should the Chicago D/ST get credit for this TD?" (answer: "No")But it DOES NOT provide the answer to the question, "Should Davis get credit for this TD?"

See the last sentence of my post. All depends on what your league's rules stipulate in the case of OFRTDs. There is no question that what occurred is correctly classified as an OFRTD.

 

[PoolShark]

99% of these questions go away with one simple understanding:Any play in which the ball is not actually kicked: OFF is OFF for the entire play, and DEF is DEF for the entire play. This includes all fake FGs, fake punts, botched holds, snap sails over the punter's head, etc etc. Any play in which the ball is actually kicked (punt, placekick, or kickoff): both teams are ST for the entire play.Problem solved. CHI D/ST is a non-entity for this Davis play (even if MIN had gained momentary possession of the ball). All that's left to ask is whether your league awards individual points for OFRTDs.

This may provide the answer to the question, "Should the Chicago D/ST get credit for this TD?" (answer: "No")But it DOES NOT provide the answer to the question, "Should Davis get credit for this TD?"

Davis absolutely gets credit for the TD, go ask him. The question as to whether or not someone's fantasy team gets points for Davis scoring the TD is entirely different. That all depends on individual league rules, which is something no one here can answer about someone else's league.

 

[blue&silver]

Looks like CBS has corrected the scoring on this play

 

[ant731]

anyone with CBS knowledge please!!

Last night I had 23 pts with Bears DE

This morning I have 29 pts with Bears DE

Now everyone telling me it has been switched bacl to 2 DTD's and not 3 DTD's

But why am I still showing 29 pts with Bears DE? Does it have run overnight or maybe league has setting to allow this TD to be DTD?

thanks for help guys!

 

[thehornet]

did this happen to anyone on yahoo?

 

[whitem0nkey]

with MFL league and the "Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs" fix, is there a setting for Yardage?

Lets say he ran for 10 yard and then score asuming the play happend 10 yards back.

 

[whitem0nkey]

with MFL league and the "Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs" fix, is there a setting for Yardage? Lets say he ran for 10 yard and then score asuming the play happend 10 yards back.

You may also want to add this "Offensive Fumble Recovery Yardage"

 

[TommyGilmore]

with MFL league and the "Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs" fix, is there a setting for Yardage?

Lets say he ran for 10 yard and then score asuming the play happend 10 yards back.

It is listed as an option on their website:http://football40.myfantasyleague.com/2008/scoring_rules