Rate Your Team's Draft Rds 1-4 (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

Topic came up about teams who do well versus those who suck. For each team, use the following rubric from 2005-2009 (2010 seems too soon to tell for most players):

1. Count the *hits* (good/productive players)

2. Give them a ranking of 3, 2, or 1 (3-studs, 2-excellent, and 1-adequate/contributing role players, respectively)

3. Divide by the number of picks selected in Rds 1-4.

This is a good link: NFL Draft History - By Team

I'll keep the rankings below (and will adjust, if compelling arguments are made for +/- points). Clearly, individual differences/biases will skew rankings, but that's all part of the discussion/debate.

TEAM RANKINGS

ELITE DRAFTING

1. 1.23 Pittsburgh Steelers (Notable 3s: Wallace, Timmons, Woodley, Miller)

2. 1.22 NY Jets (Revis, Harris)

3. 1.19 Green Bay Packers (Raji, Matthews, Finley, Jennings, Rodgers, Collins)

4. 1.04 Cincinnati Bengals (Hall, Joseph, Whitworth)

5. 1.03 Tennessee Titans (CJ, Griffin, Roos)

EXCELLENCE IN DRAFTING

t6. 0.95 Minnesota Vikings (Harvin, Peterson, S.Rice, Greenway, Griffin)

t6. 0.95 NY Giants (Tuck, Nicks)

8. 0.92 Washington Redskins (Orakpo, Landry, McIntosh, Rogers)

9. 0.88 Carolina Panthers (Beason)

10. 0.87 Baltimore Ravens (Ngata, R.Rice)

ADEQUATE DRAFTING

11. 0.86 Denver Broncos (Clady, Marshall, Dumerville, Williams)

12. 0.77 Miami Dolphins (Long)

13. 0.74 Detroit Lions (Calvin)

14. 0.73 Philadelphia Eagles (McCoy, D.Jackson)

15. 0.61 Dallas Cowboys (Ware)

MARGINAL TALENT

16.

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POOR EVALUATORS

21.

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DREADFUL FRONT OFFICES

26.

27.

28.

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BOTTOM FEEDERS (SHOULD CONSIDER RELEGATION TO UFL

31.

32.

 

[cobalt_27]

Here is how I would rate the Cowboys 2005-2009:

2009 - Dallas Cowboys

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois

3 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State

4 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M

4 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State

4 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech

2008 - Dallas Cowboys

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*2* 1 22 Felix Jones RB Arkansas

*1* 1 25 Mike Jenkins CB South Florida

*1* 2 61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M

*1* 4 122 Tashard Choice RB Georgia Tech

2007 - Dallas Cowboys

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*1* 1 26 Anthony Spencer OLB Purdue

3 67 James Marten OT Boston College

4 103 Isaiah Stanback WR Washington

*1* 4 122 Doug Free OT Northern Illinois

2006 - Dallas Cowboys

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 18 Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State

2 53 Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame

3 92 Jason Hatcher DE Grambling State

4 125 Skyler Green WR Louisiana State

2005 - Dallas Cowboys

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*3* 1 11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State

*1* 1 20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State

*1* 2 42 Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee

*1* 4 109 Marion Barber RB Minnesota

*1* 4 132 Chris Canty DE Virginia

14 points, 23 players = 0.61 rating

 

[Sidewinder16]

Redskins:

2009 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*3* 1 13 Brian Orakpo DE Texas

3 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland

2008 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State

*1* 2 48 Fred Davis TE USC

2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa

4 124 Justin Tryon CB Arizona State

2007 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*3* 1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State

2006 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*2* 2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)

2005 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*2* 1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn

1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn

4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA

SCORE = 11/12 = 0.92

I'm sure there will be disagreement on more than a few of these. I thought Rogers, McIntosh and Davis were hard to score as they seemed to be "tweeners" so it may all work out in the wash anyways (i.e. I thought Rogers deserved more of a 2.5 and McIntosh a 1.5). I think there's legitimate room to argue that Tryon and Campbell could be 1's, too.

ETA: I have no idea how this ranking/scoring system will play out league wide, but I was a little surprised at what seems like a high score here. Probably skewed by such a small denominator.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Here is how I would rate the Cowboys 2005-2009:

Nothing for Canty, Burnett, or Spencer? Seems like they each could deserve a 1 (at least). And, only a 1 for Barber?

 

[shredhead]

Do the players have to be productive for the team that drafted them? Do they have to still be alive?

Broncos:

2009

*1*1 12 Knowshon Moreno

*1*1 18 Robert Ayers

2 37 Alphonso Smith

2 48 Darcel McBath

2 64 Richard Quinn

4 114 David Bruton

4 132 Seth Olsen

2008

*3*1 12 Ryan Clady

*2*2 42 Eddie Royal

4 108 Kory Lichtensteiger

4 119 Jack Williams

2007

1 17 Jarvis Moss

2 56 Tim Crowder

*2*3 70 Ryan Harris

4 121 Marcus Thomas

2006

*2*1 11 Jay Cutler

*1*2 61 Tony Scheffler

*3*4 119 Brandon Marshall

*3*4 126 Elvis Dumervil

4 130 Domenik Hixon

2005

*3* RIP 2 56 Darrent Williams

3 76 Karl Paymah

3 97 Domonique Foxworth

3 101 Maurice Clarett

21/24=0.875

If they have to be alive or still playing for the Broncos then 12/24=0.5

If you give a -6 for drafting Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round then 0/24=0

edit: I thought about giving McBath and Foxworth a 1, but I'm not sure Knowshow or Ayers deserved their 1's so I figured it was a wash.

 

[cobalt_27]

Redskins:

2009 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*3* 1 13 Brian Orakpo DE Texas

3 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland

2008 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State

*1* 2 48 Fred Davis TE USC

2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa

4 124 Justin Tryon CB Arizona State

2007 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*3* 1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State

2006 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*2* 2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)

2005 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

*2* 1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn

1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn

4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA

SCORE = 11/12 = 0.92

I'm sure there will be disagreement on more than a few of these. I thought Rogers, McIntosh and Davis were hard to score as they seemed to be "tweeners" so it may all work out in the wash anyways (i.e. I thought Rogers deserved more of a 2.5 and McIntosh a 1.5). I think there's legitimate room to argue that Tryon and Campbell could be 1's, too.

ETA: I have no idea how this ranking/scoring system will play out league wide, but I was a little surprised at what seems like a high score here. Probably skewed by such a small denominator.

Yeah, surprising to see so few picks there. But, I agree...you guys have done very well with limited selections. That 0.92 would be hard to beat.

 

[cobalt_27]

Here is how I would rate the Cowboys 2005-2009:

Nothing for Canty, Burnett, or Spencer? Seems like they each could deserve a 1 (at least). And, only a 1 for Barber?

I added 1 for Canty, Burnett, Spencer. I'm down on them, but sure...they justify a 1.Barber's a 1 and no more.

 

[cobalt_27]

Do the players have to be productive for the team that drafted them? Do they have to still be alive?

Productive player period. Not team-dependent. If, during the time the player was alive, they were productive, give 'em the score.I liked your Clarett deduction. For simplicity's sake, I'm interested only in what players hit and to what degree they hit. Mistakes are definitely part of the draft, but it compounds the subjectivity of missing on a kid and whether that happened in the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 7th round. I just consider any nonproductive selection a null pick.

 

[Cookiemonster]

For starters, give Jason Campbell 2 pts. He started many games and is still a starter (take that for what it's worth). Both for crappy teams, but not just because of middling QB play. If you get a 5 year starter, that's gotta be worth something.

2010

*3* 1 Maurkice Pouncey Florida

.... 2 Jason Worilds Virginia Tech

*2* 3 Emmanuel Sanders SMU

.... 4 Thaddeus Gibson Ohio State

2009

*2* 1 Evander Hood Missouri

.... 3 Kraig Urbik Wisconsin

*3* 3 Mike Wallace Mississippi

.... 3 Keenan Lewis Oregon State

2008

*2* 1 Rashard Mendenhall Illinois

.... 2 Limas Sweed Texas

.... 3 Bruce Davis UCLA

.... 4 Tony Hills Texas

2007

*3* 1 Lawrence Timmons Florida State

*3* 2 LaMarr Woodley Michigan

*1* 3 Matt Spaeth Minnesota

*2* 4 Daniel Sepulveda Baylor (can't really give a 4th round punter a "3" but he would be one)

.... 4 Ryan McBean Oklahoma State

2006

*2* 1 Santonio Holmes Ohio State

*1* 3 Anthony Smith Syracuse

.... 3 Willie Reid Florida State

*2* 4 Willie Colon Hofstra

.... 4 Orien Harris Miami (FL)

2005

*3* 1 Heath Miller Virginia

*2* 2 Bryant McFadden Florida State

*1* 3 Trai Essex Northwestern

.... 4 Fred Gibson Georgia

2004

*3* 1 Ben Roethlisberger Miami (OH)

*1* 2 Ricardo Colclough Tusculum

*2* 3 Max Starks Florida

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

From 2004-2010: 39/29 = 1.34

 

[Choke]

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

2005-2010 for the Steelers I came up with 1.15.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

2009 - Baltimore Ravens

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 23 Michael Oher T Mississippi - 2

2 57 Paul Kruger DE Utah

3 88 Lardarius Webb DB Nicholls State - 1

2008 - Baltimore Ravens

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 18 Joe Flacco QB Delaware - 2

2 55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers - 3

3 71 Tavares Gooden OLB Miami (Fla.)- 1

3 86 Tom Zbikowski FS Notre Dame - 1

3 99 Oniel Cousins T Texas-El Paso

4 106 Marcus Smith WR New Mexico

4 133 David Hale G Weber State

2007 - Baltimore Ravens

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 29 Ben Grubbs G Auburn - 1

3 74 Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State

3 86 Marshall Yanda T Iowa - 1

4 134 Antwan Barnes LB Florida International

4 137 Le'Ron McClain FB Alabama - 2

2006 - Baltimore Ravens

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 12 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon - 3

2 56 Chris Chester C Oklahoma - 1

3 87 David Pittman DB Northwestern State-Louisiana

4 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon

4 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech

2005 - Baltimore Ravens

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma - 1

2 53 Dan Cody LB Oklahoma

2 64 Adam Terry T Syracuse - 1

4 124 Jason Brown C North Carolina - 1

I've got 21/24 - .87. It's tough, though, because I've left out a few guys who have played significant minutes (Barnes, Williams, etc..) and have probably underrated some of the OL (all of those guys have been unquestioned starters at some point). If anyone's game, I could use some perspective on my ratings.

 

[David Yudkin]

Completely ignoring the actual scoring system in the OP, based on the parameters of the thread (Draft picks in rounds 1-4 from 2005-2009), here are the combined career values for all players picked by each team in those rounds from those years. Bear in mind that this is somewhat flawed, as some teams made trades that caused them to make fewer picks or get extra picks. NE, for example traded picks to obtain Randy Moss and Wes Welker (and also lost a 1st round pick from Spygate). Value wise, they would have "earned" another 46 points from Moss and 55 from Welker, but those do not count as they did not draft them.

GBP	406NYJ	364TEN	359ATL	349PHI	333SFO	331BAL	319DEN	319JAX	315DAL	306HOU	301NEP	295SDC	295NYG	290MIA	288PIT	280TAM	279NOS	274CAR	271SEA	270MIN	264IND	263CHI	261OAK	261KCC	258STL	256CLE	241CIN	238ARI	218DET	212BUF	210WAS	169

 

[Choke]

Completely ignoring the actual scoring system in the OP,

Why?

 

[David Yudkin]

Completely ignoring the actual scoring system in the OP,

Why?

Because I could look up actual player values easily and that system is not really subject to personal ratings of players.

 

[Choke]

Completely ignoring the actual scoring system in the OP,

Why?

For the Patriots... who have an absolute TON of picks... it comes out to about 88.25.

 

[Choke]

Completely ignoring the actual scoring system in the OP,

Why?

Because I could look up actual player values easily and that system is not really subject to personal ratings of players.

Is that how you always "play" with others?BTW: CV does NOT know football. Its subjective (flawed) in its own right.

 

[FUBAR]

2009 - 7/6

1Kenny BrittWR - 2

2SenDerrick MarksDT - 1

3Jared CookTE - 1

4Ryan MoutonDB - 1

4Gerald McRathLB - 1

4Troy KropogT



2008 - 6/6

1Chris JohnsonRB - 3

2Jason JonesDE - 1

3Craig StevensTE - 1

4William HayesDE - 1

4Lavelle HawkinsWR

4Stanford KeglarLB



2007 - 4/5

1Michael GriffinDB - 3

2Chris J. HenryRB

3Paul WilliamsWR

4Leroy HarrisC - 1

4Chris DavisWR



2006 - 4/5

1Vince YoungQB - 2*

2LenDale WhiteRB - 1

4Calvin LowryDB

4Joe ToledoT

4Stephen TullochLB - 2



2005 - 9/7

1Pacman JonesDB - 2*

2Michael RoosT - 3

3Courtney RobyWR

3Brandon JonesWR

4Vincent FullerDB - 1

4David StewartT - 2

4Roydell WilliamsWR - 1



30/29 = 1.03

 

[FUBAR]

Completely ignoring the actual scoring system in the OP, based on the parameters of the thread (Draft picks in rounds 1-4 from 2005-2009), here are the combined career values for all players picked by each team in those rounds from those years. Bear in mind that this is somewhat flawed, as some teams made trades that caused them to make fewer picks or get extra picks. NE, for example traded picks to obtain Randy Moss and Wes Welker (and also lost a 1st round pick from Spygate). Value wise, they would have "earned" another 46 points from Moss and 55 from Welker, but those do not count as they did not draft them.

GBP 406NYJ 364TEN 359

I'm surprised to see the Titans this high. But as my list shows, they've done surprisingly well in the draft. Now if they could just start winning again.

 

[Kirby]

Why did you have to go to 2005?

Bengals = 1.14 1.04

1 21 Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 2

2 54 Carlos Dunlap DE Florida 2

3 84 Jordan Shipley WR Texas 2

3 96 Brandon Ghee DB Wake Forest 0

4 120 Geno Atkins DT Georgia 2

4 131 Roddrick Muckelroy LB Texas 1

1 6 Andre Smith T Alabama 1

2 38 Rey Maualuga LB USC 2

3 70 Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 1

3 98 Chase Coffman TE Missouri 0

4 106 Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas 0

1 9 Keith Rivers OLB USC 2

2 46 Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina 0

3 77 Pat Sims DT Auburn 2

3 97 Andre Caldwell WR Florida 1

4 112 Anthony Collins T Kansas 1

1 18 Leon Hall CB Michigan 3

2 49 Kenny Irons RB Auburn 0

4 114 Marvin White SAF Texas Christian 0

1 24 Johnathan Joseph CB South Carolina 3

2 55 Andrew Whitworth T Louisiana State 3

3 91 Frostee Rucker DE USC 1

4 123 Domata Peko DT Michigan State 2

1 17 David Pollack LB Georgia 0

2 48 Odell Thurman MLB Georgia 0

3 83 Chris Henry WR West Virginia 0

4 119 Eric Ghiaciuc C Central Michigan 0

 

[Choke]

2 48 Odell Thurman MLB Georgia 0

He's gotta at least get a 1. Started 15 as a rookie, team went 11-5 and won the division and he led Cincy in tackles.

He actually was looking superb up until he fliped out. Also led team in Forced Fumbles and had 5 interceptions.

 

[Sabertooth]

Packers come up to about 1.19 using my subjective opinion.

2009

1 9 9 B.J. Raji DT Boston College (3)

1 26 26 Clay Matthews Jr LB USC (3)

4 9 109 T.J. Lang T Eastern Michigan (1)

2008

2 5 36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State (1)

2 25 56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville

2 29 60 Patrick Lee DB Auburn (1)

3 28 91 Jermichael Finley TE Texas (3)

4 3 102 Jeremy Thompson DE Wake Forest

4 36 135 Josh Sitton T Central Florida (2)

2007

1 16 16 Justin Harrell DT Tennessee

2 31 63 Brandon Jackson RB Nebraska (1)

3 14 78 James Jones WR San Jose State (2)

3 26 89 Aaron Rouse DB Virginia Tech

4 20 119 Allen Barbre T Missouri Southern

2006

1 5 5 A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State (2)

2 15 47 Daryn Colledge T Boise State (1)

2 20 52 Greg Jennings WR Western Michigan (3)

3 3 67 Abdul Hodge LB Iowa

3 11 75 Jason Spitz C Louisville (1)

4 7 104 Cory Rodgers WR Texas Christian

4 18 115 Will Blackmon WR Boston College

2005

1 24 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California (3)

2 19 51 Nick Collins DB Bethune-Cookman (3)

2 26 58 Terrence Murphy WR Texas A&M

4 14 115 Marviel Underwood DB San Diego State

4 24 125 Brady Poppinga LB Brigham Young (1)

 

[Choke]

Steelers fans, he said cut it off at 2009.

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

 

[Choke]

The round is the second number in. Those guys are all First through Fourth Rounders.

boo!you listed it differently then everyone else, and the page linked. boo I say to you! boo!*ill delete my posts, to keep thread cleaner.

 

[VaCatFan]

Carolina Panthers -

2005

1 (14) S Thomas Davis Georgia (1) *Missed 2010 and part of 2009. Was on path to stud.

2 (54) RB Eric Shelton Louisville (0)

3a (79) OL Evan Mathis Alabama (0)

3b (89) DT Atiyyah Ellison Missouri (0)

4 (121) QB Stefan LeFors Louisville (0)

2006

1 (27) RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis (2) *Would be stud if not for finishing last two seasons on IR.

2 (58) CB Richard Marshall Fresno State (1)

3a (88) LB James Anderson Virginia Tech (1)

3b (89) T Rashad Butler Miami (FL) (0)

4 (121) S Nate Salley Ohio State (1)

2007

1 (25) LB Jon Beason Miami (FL) (3)

2a (45) WR Dwayne Jarrett Southern California (0)

2b (59) C Ryan Kalil Southern California (2)*Back to back probowls. One more year and I'll call him a stud.

3 (83) DE Charles Johnson Georgia (1)*Picked up nicely for the loss of JP. Just needs more than one season to prove it.

4 (118) WR Ryne Robinson Miami (OH) (0)

2008

1a (13) RB Jonathan Stewart Oregon (2)*Needs to prove he can stay healthy

1b (19) T Jeff Otah Pittsburgh (1)*Health issues knock him down here.

3a (67) S Charles Godfrey Iowa (1)

3b (74) LB Dan Connor Penn State (1)*Health issues knock him down as well as opportunity.

2009

2a (43) DE Everette Brown Florida State (1)

2b (59) CB Sherrod Martin Troy (1)

3 (93) DT Corvey Irvin Georgia (0)

4a (111)RB Mike Goodson Texas A&M (1)

4b (128)FB Tony Fiammetta Syracuse (1)

24 players - 1 Studs, 3 excellent, 12 productive/role players, 8 complete misses

Guys underlined are guys who can move up to the next echelon pending health and continued growth.

Overall score as I understand your ratings 21/24= .875

 

[cobalt_27]

2009 - 7/6

1Kenny BrittWR - 2

2SenDerrick MarksDT - 1

3Jared CookTE - 1

4Ryan MoutonDB - 1

4Gerald McRathLB - 1

4Troy KropogT



2008 - 6/6

1Chris JohnsonRB - 3

2Jason JonesDE - 1

3Craig StevensTE - 1

4William HayesDE - 1

4Lavelle HawkinsWR

4Stanford KeglarLB



2007 - 4/5

1Michael GriffinDB - 3

2Chris J. HenryRB

3Paul WilliamsWR

4Leroy HarrisC - 1

4Chris DavisWR



2006 - 4/5

1Vince YoungQB - 2*

2LenDale WhiteRB - 1

4Calvin LowryDB

4Joe ToledoT

4Stephen TullochLB - 2



2005 - 9/7

1Pacman JonesDB - 2*

2Michael RoosT - 3

3Courtney RobyWR

3Brandon JonesWR

4Vincent FullerDB - 1

4David StewartT - 2

4Roydell WilliamsWR - 1



30/29 = 1.03

Some pretty generous rankings on the Titans here.

 

[Norseman]

For starters, give Jason Campbell 2 pts. He started many games and is still a starter (take that for what it's worth). Both for crappy teams, but not just because of middling QB play. If you get a 5 year starter, that's gotta be worth something.

2005

*3* 1 Heath Miller Virginia

*2* 2 Bryant McFadden Florida State

*1* 3 Trai Essex Northwestern

.... 4 Fred Gibson Georgia

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

From 2004-2010: 39/29 = 1.34

Wouldn't calling Heath Miller a stud be a little bit very generous.

 

[shader]

The ranking of the Titans players is very flawed.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

2009 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3- 1 22 Percy Harvin WR Florida

1- 2 54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma

1- 3 86 Asher Allen DB Georgia

1- 5 150 Jasper Brinkley LB South Carolina

7 231 Jamarca Sanford DB Mississippi

2008 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1- 2 43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State

5 137 John David Booty QB USC

2- 5 152 Letroy Guion DT Florida State

2- 6 187 John Sullivan C Notre Dame

6 193 Jaymar Johnson WR Jackson State

2007 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3- 1 7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma

3- 2 44 Sidney Rice WR South Carolina

3 72 Marcus McCauley CB Fresno State

2- 4 102 Brian Robison DE Texas

5 146 Aundrae Allison WR East Carolina

6 176 Rufus Alexander LB Oklahoma

1- 7 217 Tyler Thigpen QB Coastal Carolina

7 233 Chandler Williams WR Florida International

2006 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3- 1 17 Chad Greenway LB Iowa

3- 2 48 Cedric Griffin CB Texas

1- 2 51 Ryan Cook C New Mexico

2 64 Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State

2- 4 127 Ray Edwards DE Purdue

5 149 Greg Blue DB Georgia

2005 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina

1- 1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

1- 2 49 Marcus Johnson G Mississippi

3 80 Dustin Fox DB Ohio State

4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Florida

6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri

7 219 Adrian Ward -- Texas-El Paso

2004 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

2- 1 20 Kenechi Udeze DE USC

2 48 Dontarrious Thomas OLB Auburn

2- 3 88 Darrion Scott DE Ohio State

4 115 Nat Dorsey T Georgia Tech

2- 4 119 Mewelde Moore RB Tulane

5 155 Rod Davis LB Southern Mississippi

6 184 Deandre' Eiland DB South Carolina

1- 7 220 Jeff Dugan TE Maryland

37/39 = .95

 

[Cookiemonster]

For starters, give Jason Campbell 2 pts. He started many games and is still a starter (take that for what it's worth). Both for crappy teams, but not just because of middling QB play. If you get a 5 year starter, that's gotta be worth something.

2005

*3* 1 Heath Miller Virginia

*2* 2 Bryant McFadden Florida State

*1* 3 Trai Essex Northwestern

.... 4 Fred Gibson Georgia

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

From 2004-2010: 39/29 = 1.34

Wouldn't calling Heath Miller a stud be a little bit very generous.

I would call a Pro-Bowl caliber player a stud draft pick (3). If you disagree that he is a top 5-6 NFL TE, then you can argue that. I would have called the R.Kalil pick a 3, not a 2. I would call a multi-year starter an excellent pick (2). I would call a servicable backup that has played many games, started a good chunk of a season or been a special teams standout a 1.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

2005 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina

1- 1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

1- 2 49 Marcus Johnson G Mississippi

3 80 Dustin Fox DB Ohio State

4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Florida

6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri

7 219 Adrian Ward -- Texas-El Paso

I'm a Wisconsin alum, so I was pulling for Erasmus James to be great...but he was an unmitigated bust. Using the OP's criteria, if Marion Barber gets a 1, I don't think there's any way you can justify Erasmus James getting a 1.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm a Wisconsin alum, so I was pulling for Erasmus James to be great...but he was an unmitigated bust. Using the OP's criteria, if Marion Barber gets a 1, I don't think there's any way you can justify Erasmus James getting a 1.

I gave him a little bit of credit since it was injuries that derailed him. But then again, he had them coming in so the Vikes should have steered clear.And Barber should at least be a 2. Just because he has had a short shelf life doesn't mean he wasn't really good for 2-3 years.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

I won't argue the Steeler rankings already listed...

But I will say that they might as well trade away all their 5-7 RD picks.

Or just go home & let the clock run out. save the money & pay the veterans instead.

Good grief those are some worthless selections.

 

[cobalt_27]

For starters, give Jason Campbell 2 pts. He started many games and is still a starter (take that for what it's worth). Both for crappy teams, but not just because of middling QB play. If you get a 5 year starter, that's gotta be worth something.

2005

*3* 1 Heath Miller Virginia

*2* 2 Bryant McFadden Florida State

*1* 3 Trai Essex Northwestern

.... 4 Fred Gibson Georgia

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

From 2004-2010: 39/29 = 1.34

Wouldn't calling Heath Miller a stud be a little bit very generous.

I would call a Pro-Bowl caliber player a stud draft pick (3). If you disagree that he is a top 5-6 NFL TE, then you can argue that. I would have called the R.Kalil pick a 3, not a 2. I would call a multi-year starter an excellent pick (2). I would call a servicable backup that has played many games, started a good chunk of a season or been a special teams standout a 1.

Pretty-much what I was thinking. This, of course, isn't scientific, and everyone's going to vary a little bit here and there in terms of rankings. The only submission that stands out thus far is the very generous ratings by the Titans fan here. Maybe someone has a more tempered view on their recent drafts that they would be willing to share.

And Barber should at least be a 2. Just because he has had a short shelf life doesn't mean he wasn't really good for 2-3 years.

Yeah, think Barber makes a case for a 1.5 rating. But, as a Cowboy fan, I felt a 2 might bleed a little too much homerism here.

 

[Norseman]

For starters, give Jason Campbell 2 pts. He started many games and is still a starter (take that for what it's worth). Both for crappy teams, but not just because of middling QB play. If you get a 5 year starter, that's gotta be worth something.

2005

*3* 1 Heath Miller Virginia

*2* 2 Bryant McFadden Florida State

*1* 3 Trai Essex Northwestern

.... 4 Fred Gibson Georgia

So, from 2005-2009 as asked: 27/22 = 1.23

From 2004-2010: 39/29 = 1.34

Wouldn't calling Heath Miller a stud be a little bit very generous.

I would call a Pro-Bowl caliber player a stud draft pick (3). If you disagree that he is a top 5-6 NFL TE, then you can argue that. I would have called the R.Kalil pick a 3, not a 2. I would call a multi-year starter an excellent pick (2). I would call a servicable backup that has played many games, started a good chunk of a season or been a special teams standout a 1.

Pretty-much what I was thinking. This, of course, isn't scientific, and everyone's going to vary a little bit here and there in terms of rankings. The only submission that stands out thus far is the very generous ratings by the Titans fan here. Maybe someone has a more tempered view on their recent drafts that they would be willing to share.

One Pro-Bowl as an alternate because the starter was in the Super Bowl and couldn't play. And we aren't using the Pro-Bowl as a measure of success are we?

That said, I may be think in terms of fantasy a little to much, but Miller isn't a top 5-6 TE in the NFL.

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

2005 - Philadelphia Eagles

Rd Sel # Player Position

1 31 Mike Patterson DT 1

2 35 Reggie Brown WR

2 63 Matt McCoy LB

3 77 Ryan Moats RB

4 102 Sean Considine DB

4 126 Todd Herremans T 2

2006 - Philadelphia Eagles

Rd Sel # Player Position

1 14 Brodrick BunkleyDT 1

2 39 Winston Justice T 1

3 71 Chris Gocong LB

4 99 Max Jean-Gilles G 1

4 109 Jason Avant WR 1

2007 - Philadelphia Eagles

Rd Sel # Player Position

2 36 Kevin Kolb QB 2

2 57 Victor Abiamiri DE

3 87 Stewart Bradley LB 2

3 90 Tony Hunt RB

2008 - Philadelphia Eagles

Rd Sel # Player Position

2 47 Trevor Laws DT

2 49 DeSean Jackson WR 3

3 80 Bryan Smith DE

4 109 Mike McGlynn G

4 117 Quintin Demps FS 1

4 131 Jack Ikegwuonu CB

2009 - Philadelphia Eagles

Rd Sel # Player Position

1 19 Jeremy Maclin WR 2

2 53 LeSean McCoy RB 3

2010 - Philadelphia Eagles

Rd Sel # Player Position

1 13 Brandon Graham DE 1

2 37 Nate Allen FS 1

3 86 Daniel Te'o-NesheimDE

4 105 Trevard Lindley DB

4 121 Keenan Clayton LB

4 122 Mike Kafka QB

4 125 Clay Harbor TE

Total = 22 points, 30 players for a score of .73

 

[cobalt_27]

Still looking for...

NFC West: Arizona, St. Louis, San Francisco, Seattle,

NFC East: NYG

NFC North: Chicago

NFC South: Atlanta, NO, Tampa

AFC West: Denver, Kansas City, San Diego, Oakland

AFC East Buffalo, Miami, NYJets,

AFC North: Cleveland

AFC South: Houston, Jacksonville, Indianapolis

AND, would someone please lay another set of eyes on Tennessee's scoring and suggest a more reasonable score before I butcher the pollyanna out of it, myself?

 

[nysfl2]

I'll do the Lions:

2010

1 - Ndamukong Suh - 3

1 - Jahvid Best - 1

3 - Amari Spievey

4 - Jason Fox

2009

1 - Matthew Stafford - 1

1 - Brandon Pettigrew - 2

2 - Louis Delmas - 2

3 - DeAndre Levy - 1

3 - Derrick Williams

4 - Sammie Lee Hill - 1

2008

1 - Gosder Cherilus - 1

2 - Jordan Dizon

3 - Kevin Smith - 1

3 - Andre Fluellen

3 - Cliff Avril - 2

2007

1 - Calvin Johnson - 3

2 - Drew Stanton

2 - Ikaika Alama-Francis

2 - Gerald Alexander

4 - A.J. Davis

4 - Manny Ramirez - 1

2006

1 - Ernie Sims - 1

2 - Daniel Bullocks

3 - Brian Calhoun

2005

1 - Mike Williams

2 - Shaun Cody - 1

3 - Stanley Wilson

21/27 = 0.78. If Stafford and Best stay healthy next year, this will probably go up a couple points.

Of note - 0.56 during the Matt Millen era, 1.1 since he was fired.

 

[cobalt_27]

I'll do the Lions:Of note - 0.56 during the Matt Millen era, 1.1 since he was fired.

I love it when the obvious becomes even more obvious with a little scoring system and a calculator.

 

[Donnybrook]

Very subjective. Some people ranking potential over production. Should Kevin Kolb gets a 2 points for his 7 career starts? I say no.

Also some teams excell in signing undrafted free agents. Green bay, for example, found Tramon Williams, Sam Shields and Frank Zombo etc. No points for the scouting department there.

 

[BassNBrew]

Very subjective. Some people ranking potential over production. Should Kevin Kolb gets a 2 points for his 7 career starts? I say no.Also some teams excell in signing undrafted free agents. Green bay, for example, found Tramon Williams, Sam Shields and Frank Zombo etc. No points for the scouting department there.

I was thinking the same thing about Kolb. Adjusting for time in the league I guess Jimmy Clausen would be a 2 also.

 

[Donnybrook]

2009 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3- 1 22 Percy Harvin WR Florida

1- 2 54 Phil Loadholt T Oklahoma

1- 3 86 Asher Allen DB Georgia

2008 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1- 2 43 Tyrell Johnson FS Arkansas State<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">

2007 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3- 1 7 Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma

3- 2 44 Sidney Rice WR South Carolina

3 72 Marcus McCauley CB Fresno State

1- 4 102 Brian Robison DE Texas

2006 - Minnesota Vikings

Rd Sel # Player Position School

3- 1 17 Chad Greenway LB Iowa

3- 2 48 Cedric Griffin CB Texas

0- 2 51 Ryan Cook C New Mexico

2 64 Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama State

2- 4 127 Ray Edwards DE Purdue

Just taking pick from the 1st 4 round can really bias things. It makes Chilly look like a genius. 21/13 = 1.61 for the Brad Childress era.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I won't argue the Steeler rankings already listed...But I will say that they might as well trade away all their 5-7 RD picks. Or just go home & let the clock run out. save the money & pay the veterans instead.Good grief those are some worthless selections.

There are some useful players in there. A couple things you need to remember though. 1) Nobody is turning that many late round picks into quality players. 2) There hasn't been a ton of opportunity to get on the field for a lot of these guys with a good team like Pittsburgh.2009 - Pittsburgh Steelers7 241 David Johnson TE Arkansas State2008 - Pittsburgh Steelers5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon6 194 Ryan Mundy FS West Virginia2007 - Pittsburgh Steelers5 170 William Gay CB Louisville2005 - Pittsburgh Steelers6 204 Chris Kemoeatu G Utah

 

[Thanatos]

Alright, I went ahead and did my Miami Dolphins, although I'd be interested to see whether or not Ministry of Pain agrees with me on the rankings that I gave. I tried to be as unbiased as possible, but it's definitely possible some of the inner fan got to me during the evaluation process.

17/22 = 0.77

2009 - Miami Dolphins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 25 Vontae Davis DB Illinois - 2

2 44 Pat White QB West Virginia

2 61 Sean Smith DB Utah - 1

3 87 Patrick Turner WR USC

4 108 Brian Hartline WR Ohio State - 1

2008 - Miami Dolphins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 1 Jake Long T Michigan - 3

2 32 Phillip Merling DE Clemson - 1

2 57 Chad Henne QB Michigan - 1

3 66 Kendall Langford DE Hampton - 1

4 110 Shawn Murphy G Utah State

2007 - Miami Dolphins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State - 1

2 40 John Beck QB Brigham Young

2 60 Samson Satele C Hawaii

3 71 Lorenzo Booker RB Florida State

4 108 Paul Soliai DT Utah - 2

2006 - Miami Dolphins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 16 Jason Allen DB Tennessee

3 82 Derek Hagan WR Arizona State

4 114 Joseph Toledo T Washington

2005 - Miami Dolphins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn - 2

2 46 Matt Roth DE Iowa

3 70 Channing Crowder OLB Florida - 2

4 104 Travis Daniels CB Louisiana State

 

[BassNBrew]

Carolina Panthers -

2005

1 (14) S Thomas Davis Georgia (1) *Missed 2010 and part of 2009. Was on path to stud.

2 (54) RB Eric Shelton Louisville (0)

3a (79) OL Evan Mathis Alabama (0)

3b (89) DT Atiyyah Ellison Missouri (0)

4 (121) QB Stefan LeFors Louisville (0)

2006

1 (27) RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis (2) *Would be stud if not for finishing last two seasons on IR.

2 (58) CB Richard Marshall Fresno State (1)

3a (88) LB James Anderson Virginia Tech (1)

3b (89) T Rashad Butler Miami (FL) (0)

4 (121) S Nate Salley Ohio State (1)

2007

1 (25) LB Jon Beason Miami (FL) (3)

2a (45) WR Dwayne Jarrett Southern California (0)

2b (59) C Ryan Kalil Southern California (2)*Back to back probowls. One more year and I'll call him a stud.

3 (83) DE Charles Johnson Georgia (1)*Picked up nicely for the loss of JP. Just needs more than one season to prove it.

4 (118) WR Ryne Robinson Miami (OH) (0)

2008

1a (13) RB Jonathan Stewart Oregon (2)*Needs to prove he can stay healthy

1b (19) T Jeff Otah Pittsburgh (1)*Health issues knock him down here.

3a (67) S Charles Godfrey Iowa (1)

3b (74) LB Dan Connor Penn State (1)*Health issues knock him down as well as opportunity.

2009

2a (43) DE Everette Brown Florida State (1)

2b (59) CB Sherrod Martin Troy (1)

3 (93) DT Corvey Irvin Georgia (0)

4a (111)RB Mike Goodson Texas A&M (1)

4b (128)FB Tony Fiammetta Syracuse (1)

24 players - 1 Studs, 3 excellent, 12 productive/role players, 8 complete misses

Guys underlined are guys who can move up to the next echelon pending health and continued growth.

Overall score as I understand your ratings 21/24= .875

Going to have to disagreed with you here.Davis was having a pro-bowl type of season when he got hurt and was showing stud potentail. Definately warrants a 2.

DeAngelo Williams is a stud. Carry 5.0 per carry average ranks him among guys like Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers.

No Way on earth Otah grades out as a 1. He probably starts on 90% of the teams in the league.

If guys are grading people like Sydney Rice as a 3, Otah and Davis warrant a 2.

I come up with 24/24 = 1.0

 

[Sabertooth]

I'll do the Lions:

2010

1 - Ndamukong Suh - 3

1 - Jahvid Best - 1

3 - Amari Spievey

4 - Jason Fox

2009

1 - Matthew Stafford - 1

1 - Brandon Pettigrew - 2

2 - Louis Delmas - 2

3 - DeAndre Levy - 1

3 - Derrick Williams

4 - Sammie Lee Hill - 1

2008

1 - Gosder Cherilus - 1

2 - Jordan Dizon

3 - Kevin Smith - 1

3 - Andre Fluellen

3 - Cliff Avril - 2

2007

1 - Calvin Johnson - 3

2 - Drew Stanton

2 - Ikaika Alama-Francis

2 - Gerald Alexander

4 - A.J. Davis

4 - Manny Ramirez - 1

2006

1 - Ernie Sims - 1

2 - Daniel Bullocks

3 - Brian Calhoun

2005

1 - Mike Williams

2 - Shaun Cody - 1

3 - Stanley Wilson

21/27 = 0.78. If Stafford and Best stay healthy next year, this will probably go up a couple points.

Of note - 0.56 during the Matt Millen era, 1.1 since he was fired.

You, much like the Lions, fail. He said 2005-2009.

 

[VaCatFan]

Carolina Panthers -

2005

1 (14) S Thomas Davis Georgia (1) *Missed 2010 and part of 2009. Was on path to stud.

2 (54) RB Eric Shelton Louisville (0)

3a (79) OL Evan Mathis Alabama (0)

3b (89) DT Atiyyah Ellison Missouri (0)

4 (121) QB Stefan LeFors Louisville (0)

2006

1 (27) RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis (2) *Would be stud if not for finishing last two seasons on IR.

2 (58) CB Richard Marshall Fresno State (1)

3a (88) LB James Anderson Virginia Tech (1)

3b (89) T Rashad Butler Miami (FL) (0)

4 (121) S Nate Salley Ohio State (1)

2007

1 (25) LB Jon Beason Miami (FL) (3)

2a (45) WR Dwayne Jarrett Southern California (0)

2b (59) C Ryan Kalil Southern California (2)*Back to back probowls. One more year and I'll call him a stud.

3 (83) DE Charles Johnson Georgia (1)*Picked up nicely for the loss of JP. Just needs more than one season to prove it.

4 (118) WR Ryne Robinson Miami (OH) (0)

2008

1a (13) RB Jonathan Stewart Oregon (2)*Needs to prove he can stay healthy

1b (19) T Jeff Otah Pittsburgh (1)*Health issues knock him down here.

3a (67) S Charles Godfrey Iowa (1)

3b (74) LB Dan Connor Penn State (1)*Health issues knock him down as well as opportunity.

2009

2a (43) DE Everette Brown Florida State (1)

2b (59) CB Sherrod Martin Troy (1)

3 (93) DT Corvey Irvin Georgia (0)

4a (111)RB Mike Goodson Texas A&M (1)

4b (128)FB Tony Fiammetta Syracuse (1)

24 players - 1 Studs, 3 excellent, 12 productive/role players, 8 complete misses

Guys underlined are guys who can move up to the next echelon pending health and continued growth.

Overall score as I understand your ratings 21/24= .875

Going to have to disagreed with you here.Davis was having a pro-bowl type of season when he got hurt and was showing stud potentail. Definately warrants a 2.

DeAngelo Williams is a stud. Carry 5.0 per carry average ranks him among guys like Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers.

No Way on earth Otah grades out as a 1. He probably starts on 90% of the teams in the league.

If guys are grading people like Sydney Rice as a 3, Otah and Davis warrant a 2.

I come up with 24/24 = 1.0

Initially I had those guys rated higher, but injuries dropped them. I do agree that there have been some homer grades, but I ranked our guys based on production and playing. All of the guys that I dropped down have had serious injuries or missed at least 8 games over the last two years, so I couldn't give them those higher grades. All the guys you disagreed with I had the following note for "Guys underlined are guys who can move up to the next echelon pending health and continued growth.", or specifically noted as injury issues if I ranked them a 2.

 

[David Yudkin]

Listed by average career value per player picked . . .

NYJ	364	18	20.22222222JAX	315	19	16.57894737SDC	295	18	16.38888889NOS	274	17	16.11764706ATL	349	22	15.86363636SFO	331	21	15.76190476GBP	406	26	15.61538462HOU	301	20	15.05SEA	270	18	15MIN	264	18	14.66666667PHI	333	23	14.47826087WAS	169	12	14.08333333DAL	306	22	13.90909091MIA	288	21	13.71428571KCC	258	19	13.57894737BAL	319	24	13.29166667DEN	319	24	13.29166667TAM	279	21	13.28571429NYG	290	22	13.18181818NEP	295	23	12.82608696PIT	280	22	12.72727273CLE	241	19	12.68421053CHI	261	21	12.42857143TEN	359	29	12.37931034IND	263	22	11.95454545OAK	261	23	11.34782609CIN	238	21	11.33333333CAR	271	24	11.29166667ARI	218	20	10.9STL	256	24	10.66666667BUF	210	21	10DET	212	23	9.217391304

 

[Sabertooth]

Listed by average career value per player picked . . .

NYJ	364	18	20.22222222JAX	315	19	16.57894737SDC	295	18	16.38888889NOS	274	17	16.11764706ATL	349	22	15.86363636SFO	331	21	15.76190476GBP	406	26	15.61538462HOU	301	20	15.05SEA	270	18	15MIN	264	18	14.66666667PHI	333	23	14.47826087WAS	169	12	14.08333333DAL	306	22	13.90909091MIA	288	21	13.71428571KCC	258	19	13.57894737BAL	319	24	13.29166667DEN	319	24	13.29166667TAM	279	21	13.28571429NYG	290	22	13.18181818NEP	295	23	12.82608696PIT	280	22	12.72727273CLE	241	19	12.68421053CHI	261	21	12.42857143TEN	359	29	12.37931034IND	263	22	11.95454545OAK	261	23	11.34782609CIN	238	21	11.33333333CAR	271	24	11.29166667ARI	218	20	10.9STL	256	24	10.66666667BUF	210	21	10DET	212	23	9.217391304

David, where are your numbers derived? Madden?

 

[David Yudkin]

Listed by average career value per player picked . . .

NYJ	364	18	20.22222222JAX	315	19	16.57894737SDC	295	18	16.38888889NOS	274	17	16.11764706ATL	349	22	15.86363636SFO	331	21	15.76190476GBP	406	26	15.61538462HOU	301	20	15.05SEA	270	18	15MIN	264	18	14.66666667PHI	333	23	14.47826087WAS	169	12	14.08333333DAL	306	22	13.90909091MIA	288	21	13.71428571KCC	258	19	13.57894737BAL	319	24	13.29166667DEN	319	24	13.29166667TAM	279	21	13.28571429NYG	290	22	13.18181818NEP	295	23	12.82608696PIT	280	22	12.72727273CLE	241	19	12.68421053CHI	261	21	12.42857143TEN	359	29	12.37931034IND	263	22	11.95454545OAK	261	23	11.34782609CIN	238	21	11.33333333CAR	271	24	11.29166667ARI	218	20	10.9STL	256	24	10.66666667BUF	210	21	10DET	212	23	9.217391304

David, where are your numbers derived? Madden?

pro-football-reference.com

 

[Riflemen]

I'll take a stab at the Giants. 22/22 1.0 I figured between Alford and Whimper they should get at least a 1 and Brandon is a marginal 2 I'll concede.

2009

1 29 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina 3

2 45 Clint Sintim LB Virginia

2 60 William Beatty T Connecticut 1

3 85 Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly-S.L.O.

3 100 Travis Beckum TE Wisconsin

4 129 Andre Brown RB North Carolina State

2008

1 31 Kenny Phillips FS Miami (Fla.) 2

2 63 Terrell Thomas CB USC 2

3 95 Mario Manningham WR Michigan 1

4 123 Bryan Kehl OLB Brigham Young

2007

1 20 Aaron Ross CB Texas 1

2 51 Steve Smith WR USC 2

3 81 Jay Alford NT Penn State 1

4 116 Zak DeOssie LB Brown

2006

1 32 Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College 1

2 44 Sinorice Moss WR Miami (Fla.)

3 96 Gerris Wilkinson LB Georgia Tech

4 124 Barry Cofield NT Northwestern 1

4 129 Guy Whimper T East Carolina

2005

2 43 Corey Webster DB Louisiana State 2

3 74 Justin Tuck DE Notre Dame 3

4 110 Brandon Jacobs RB Southern Illinois 2