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Ravens trading for RB? (1 Viewer)

I think they may sign Dillonfor a short term fix.
Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close.
Maybe, but I think it's close. Lewis looked terrible this year.
The age difference makes it not close.
?? Age difference ?How about 3.4 YPC for Lewis,and 4.1 YPC for Dillon in 2006.These are the REAL numbers you seemed to overlook.
Big difference in OL. It takes more than the RB to make that YPC look good. I agree that Lewis had a down year, but at his age, he could easily have another big year. Whereas Dillon doesn't have as greater chance of that considering his age.
How many leagues do you own Lewis in, Johnny.I'm surprised that you downplay his dismal numbers,and keep the focus on his age.His OLine was not the reason for his 3.4 YPC,it's the fact that he has a lot of mileage on him,and he's obviously slowed down.The age doesn;t matter here, the fact that he is closing in on 2000 career carries does matter...... a lot.
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
Ummmm . . . . I'm not so sure on this one.2,066 rushing yards x 85% = 1,756 rushing yards.Are you just matter of factly assigning Betts 1,756+ rushing yards? That's only happened 21 times. I wasn't aware that Baltimore was such a plug and play system for RB production.If that were the case, wouldn't Jamal Lewis have been a regular Top 5 fantasy RB? He ranked 4th in his best year--and he needed 2K+ rushing yards to do so. Lewis had no other season in the Top 10.
 
I think they may sign Dillonfor a short term fix.
Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close.
Maybe, but I think it's close. Lewis looked terrible this year.
The age difference makes it not close.
?? Age difference ?How about 3.4 YPC for Lewis,and 4.1 YPC for Dillon in 2006.These are the REAL numbers you seemed to overlook.
Big difference in OL. It takes more than the RB to make that YPC look good. I agree that Lewis had a down year, but at his age, he could easily have another big year. Whereas Dillon doesn't have as greater chance of that considering his age.
How many leagues do you own Lewis in, Johnny.I'm surprised that you downplay his dismal numbers,and keep the focus on his age.His OLine was not the reason for his 3.4 YPC,it's the fact that he has a lot of mileage on him,and he's obviously slowed down.The age doesn;t matter here, the fact that he is closing in on 2000 career carries does matter...... a lot.
I only own Lewis in 1 of 6 leagues. You can look at Maroney as a big reason for Dillon's better YPC as well as the OL. Dillon had fresher legs for most of his carries.
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
There's going to be a lot of top 5 backs next year. 2007 could be the first time we see 10 backs all in the top 5! Amazing.
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
Ummmm . . . . I'm not so sure on this one.2,066 rushing yards x 85% = 1,756 rushing yards.Are you just matter of factly assigning Betts 1,756+ rushing yards? That's only happened 21 times. I wasn't aware that Baltimore was such a plug and play system for RB production.If that were the case, wouldn't Jamal Lewis have been a regular Top 5 fantasy RB? He ranked 4th in his best year--and he needed 2K+ rushing yards to do so. Lewis had no other season in the Top 10.
That's why i said total yards, Betts is a FAR better reciever than Jamal. Betts could get 1450 rushing/500 recieveing.
 
I think they may sign Dillonfor a short term fix.
Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close.
Maybe, but I think it's close. Lewis looked terrible this year.
The age difference makes it not close.
?? Age difference ?How about 3.4 YPC for Lewis,and 4.1 YPC for Dillon in 2006.These are the REAL numbers you seemed to overlook.
Big difference in OL. It takes more than the RB to make that YPC look good. I agree that Lewis had a down year, but at his age, he could easily have another big year. Whereas Dillon doesn't have as greater chance of that considering his age.
How many leagues do you own Lewis in, Johnny.I'm surprised that you downplay his dismal numbers,and keep the focus on his age.His OLine was not the reason for his 3.4 YPC,it's the fact that he has a lot of mileage on him,and he's obviously slowed down.The age doesn;t matter here, the fact that he is closing in on 2000 career carries does matter...... a lot.
I only own Lewis in 1 of 6 leagues. You can look at Maroney as a big reason for Dillon's better YPC as well as the OL. Dillon had fresher legs for most of his carries.
Of course that's part of it,but the numbers still show that Dillon is the more productive backwhich sends me back to your statement,"Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close."You are ignoring all the statistics.There is nothing in the numbers to support this statement.
 
I think they may sign Dillonfor a short term fix.
Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close.
Maybe, but I think it's close. Lewis looked terrible this year.
The age difference makes it not close.
?? Age difference ?How about 3.4 YPC for Lewis,and 4.1 YPC for Dillon in 2006.These are the REAL numbers you seemed to overlook.
Big difference in OL. It takes more than the RB to make that YPC look good. I agree that Lewis had a down year, but at his age, he could easily have another big year. Whereas Dillon doesn't have as greater chance of that considering his age.
How many leagues do you own Lewis in, Johnny.I'm surprised that you downplay his dismal numbers,and keep the focus on his age.His OLine was not the reason for his 3.4 YPC,it's the fact that he has a lot of mileage on him,and he's obviously slowed down.The age doesn;t matter here, the fact that he is closing in on 2000 career carries does matter...... a lot.
I only own Lewis in 1 of 6 leagues. You can look at Maroney as a big reason for Dillon's better YPC as well as the OL. Dillon had fresher legs for most of his carries.
Of course that's part of it,but the numbers still show that Dillon is the more productive backwhich sends me back to your statement,"Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close."You are ignoring all the statistics.There is nothing in the numbers to support this statement.
Yes, I'm putting a premium on age, maybe too much so, but I tend to only think in terms of dynasty leagues.
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
Ummmm . . . . I'm not so sure on this one.2,066 rushing yards x 85% = 1,756 rushing yards.Are you just matter of factly assigning Betts 1,756+ rushing yards? That's only happened 21 times. I wasn't aware that Baltimore was such a plug and play system for RB production.If that were the case, wouldn't Jamal Lewis have been a regular Top 5 fantasy RB? He ranked 4th in his best year--and he needed 2K+ rushing yards to do so. Lewis had no other season in the Top 10.
That's why i said total yards, Betts is a FAR better reciever than Jamal. Betts could get 1450 rushing/500 recieveing.
Will Betts be able to bring his line with him?
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.

I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.

So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
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Seems to be 15-20 RBs slated for top five years next year ...
Was just about to post the very same thing... seems every RB who has changed teams (or will be) is now a LOCK! for Top 5 status.They ALL can't be Top 5! For someone to be Top 5, someone else has to slide out. And I'm sorry, but Travis Henry, Ladell Betts and Willis McGahee aren't going to suddenly start putting up Larry Johnson/Shaun Alexander numbers, as much as blatant fantasy owners want to believe it.

 
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I'm going to guess McGahee. I just read where Buffalo is bringing in Chris Brown and Dominick Rhodes for visits. Why would they be bringing anybody in if McGahee isn't moving on? There were other articles a month or so back, that stated McGahee has worn out his welcome in Buffalo (with the team and community). Could be the guy?

 
I think they may sign Dillonfor a short term fix.
Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close.
Maybe, but I think it's close. Lewis looked terrible this year.
The age difference makes it not close.
?? Age difference ?How about 3.4 YPC for Lewis,and 4.1 YPC for Dillon in 2006.These are the REAL numbers you seemed to overlook.
Big difference in OL. It takes more than the RB to make that YPC look good. I agree that Lewis had a down year, but at his age, he could easily have another big year. Whereas Dillon doesn't have as greater chance of that considering his age.
How many leagues do you own Lewis in, Johnny.I'm surprised that you downplay his dismal numbers,and keep the focus on his age.His OLine was not the reason for his 3.4 YPC,it's the fact that he has a lot of mileage on him,and he's obviously slowed down.The age doesn;t matter here, the fact that he is closing in on 2000 career carries does matter...... a lot.
I only own Lewis in 1 of 6 leagues. You can look at Maroney as a big reason for Dillon's better YPC as well as the OL. Dillon had fresher legs for most of his carries.
Of course that's part of it,but the numbers still show that Dillon is the more productive backwhich sends me back to your statement,"Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close."You are ignoring all the statistics.There is nothing in the numbers to support this statement.
Yes, I'm putting a premium on age, maybe too much so, but I tend to only think in terms of dynasty leagues.
I still think you are over-inflating JL's dynasty value, but I guess we'll have toagree to disagree on this one. :unsure:
 
I think they may sign Dillonfor a short term fix.
Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close.
Maybe, but I think it's close. Lewis looked terrible this year.
The age difference makes it not close.
?? Age difference ?How about 3.4 YPC for Lewis,and 4.1 YPC for Dillon in 2006.These are the REAL numbers you seemed to overlook.
Big difference in OL. It takes more than the RB to make that YPC look good. I agree that Lewis had a down year, but at his age, he could easily have another big year. Whereas Dillon doesn't have as greater chance of that considering his age.
How many leagues do you own Lewis in, Johnny.I'm surprised that you downplay his dismal numbers,and keep the focus on his age.His OLine was not the reason for his 3.4 YPC,it's the fact that he has a lot of mileage on him,and he's obviously slowed down.The age doesn;t matter here, the fact that he is closing in on 2000 career carries does matter...... a lot.
I only own Lewis in 1 of 6 leagues. You can look at Maroney as a big reason for Dillon's better YPC as well as the OL. Dillon had fresher legs for most of his carries.
Of course that's part of it,but the numbers still show that Dillon is the more productive backwhich sends me back to your statement,"Lewis > Dillon, and it's not close."You are ignoring all the statistics.There is nothing in the numbers to support this statement.
Yes, I'm putting a premium on age, maybe too much so, but I tend to only think in terms of dynasty leagues.
Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
 
Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
Maybe, maybe not. I would like to think that a RB isn't washed up at 27 when injury isn't the cause, regardless of the number of carries that he's had over the years. I'm not an expert on these matters, but I still think Lewis has another big year left in him.
 
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Betts numbers once he became the starter in Washington.

Averages: 128 rushing yards/27 receiving/.6 TD's a game

Over a 16 game slate: 2048 rushing/432 recieving/9.6 TD's.

So it looks like my earlier projections were a bit conservative. Betts would very likely have over 2000 total yards barring an injury.

 
Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
Maybe, maybe not. I would like to think that a RB isn't washed up at 27 when injury isn't the cause, regardless of the number of carries that he's had over the years. I'm not an expert on these matter, but I still think Lewis has another big year left in him.
I know, and we can agree to disagree.But don't get hung up on age. Not every RB makes it into their 30s. 30 seems to be the magic number when RBs start to decline, but that doesn't make it the rule.
 
Betts numbers once he became the starter in Washington.Averages: 128 rushing yards/27 receiving/.6 TD's a gameOver a 16 game slate: 2048 rushing/432 recieving/9.6 TD's.So it looks like my earlier projections were a bit conservative. Betts would very likely have over 2000 total yards barring an injury.
Extrapolation is fool proof. Great post.
 
The Ravens could be pursuing a trade for Willis McGahee.

Both the Baltimore Sun and Scout.com mention Tuesday that Baltimore's interest in McGahee is heating up. Jamal Lewis could be out of a starting gig, if true. The Bills are hosting Dominic Rhodes and Chris Brown Tuesday, possibly as a precursor to a deal.

Source: Baltimore Sun

 
Betts numbers once he became the starter in Washington.Averages: 128 rushing yards/27 receiving/.6 TD's a gameOver a 16 game slate: 2048 rushing/432 recieving/9.6 TD's.So it looks like my earlier projections were a bit conservative. Betts would very likely have over 2000 total yards barring an injury.
Extrapolation is fool proof. Great post.
Ty for your support.
 
Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
Maybe, maybe not. I would like to think that a RB isn't washed up at 27 when injury isn't the cause, regardless of the number of carries that he's had over the years. I'm not an expert on these matter, but I still think Lewis has another big year left in him.
I know, and we can agree to disagree.But don't get hung up on age. Not every RB makes it into their 30s. 30 seems to be the magic number when RBs start to decline, but that doesn't make it the rule.
Most athletes are in their prime at age 27 also. Looks like the McGahee talks are heating up. It also looks like for that to happen the Bills will have to sign one of Rhodes or Brown.
 
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Betts numbers once he became the starter in Washington.Averages: 128 rushing yards/27 receiving/.6 TD's a gameOver a 16 game slate: 2048 rushing/432 recieving/9.6 TD's.So it looks like my earlier projections were a bit conservative. Betts would very likely have over 2000 total yards barring an injury.
Extrapolation is fool proof. Great post.
Ty for your support.
No problem. Always like a logical argument. BTW...if Dayne can beat out A. Green he should be good for 356-2072-20 (that's not even including receiving stats) based on his last 4 games if anyone is looking for a top 5 back.
 
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Betts numbers once he became the starter in Washington.Averages: 128 rushing yards/27 receiving/.6 TD's a gameOver a 16 game slate: 2048 rushing/432 recieving/9.6 TD's.So it looks like my earlier projections were a bit conservative. Betts would very likely have over 2000 total yards barring an injury.
Extrapolation is fool proof. Great post.
Ty for your support.
No problem. Always like a logical argument. BTW...if Dayne can beat out A. Green he should be good for 356-2072-20 based on his last 4 games if anyone is looking for a top 5 back.
4 games is a bit too thin of a sample, I was using a much more realiable sample of 6 games with Betts, but you make a compelling argument. I'll keep my eye out for Dayne later in drafts.
 
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Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
Maybe, maybe not. I would like to think that a RB isn't washed up at 27 when injury isn't the cause, regardless of the number of carries that he's had over the years. I'm not an expert on these matter, but I still think Lewis has another big year left in him.
I know, and we can agree to disagree.But don't get hung up on age. Not every RB makes it into their 30s. 30 seems to be the magic number when RBs start to decline, but that doesn't make it the rule.
Most athletes are in their prime at age 27 also. Looks like the McGahee talks are heating up. It also looks like for that to happen the Bills will have to sign one of Rhodes or Brown.
This is obviously not the case with Jamal Lewis.Most 27 year old RBs don't have close to 2000 carries under their belt.

Do you have a link about McGahee and the Ravens, Johnny ? :rolleyes:

 
Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
Maybe, maybe not. I would like to think that a RB isn't washed up at 27 when injury isn't the cause, regardless of the number of carries that he's had over the years. I'm not an expert on these matter, but I still think Lewis has another big year left in him.
I know, and we can agree to disagree.But don't get hung up on age. Not every RB makes it into their 30s. 30 seems to be the magic number when RBs start to decline, but that doesn't make it the rule.
Most athletes are in their prime at age 27 also. Looks like the McGahee talks are heating up. It also looks like for that to happen the Bills will have to sign one of Rhodes or Brown.
This is obviously not the case with Jamal Lewis.Most 27 year old RBs don't have close to 2000 carries under their belt.

Do you have a link about McGahee and the Ravens, Johnny ? :rolleyes:
Here
 
Betts numbers once he became the starter in Washington.Averages: 128 rushing yards/27 receiving/.6 TD's a gameOver a 16 game slate: 2048 rushing/432 recieving/9.6 TD's.So it looks like my earlier projections were a bit conservative. Betts would very likely have over 2000 total yards barring an injury.
Extrapolation is fool proof. Great post.
:goodposting: If, if, if, if if.....
 
Although Lewis may be younger than Dillon, he is equally as finished. Maybe moreso.
Maybe, maybe not. I would like to think that a RB isn't washed up at 27 when injury isn't the cause, regardless of the number of carries that he's had over the years. I'm not an expert on these matter, but I still think Lewis has another big year left in him.
I know, and we can agree to disagree.But don't get hung up on age. Not every RB makes it into their 30s. 30 seems to be the magic number when RBs start to decline, but that doesn't make it the rule.
Most athletes are in their prime at age 27 also. Looks like the McGahee talks are heating up. It also looks like for that to happen the Bills will have to sign one of Rhodes or Brown.
This is obviously not the case with Jamal Lewis.Most 27 year old RBs don't have close to 2000 carries under their belt.

Do you have a link about McGahee and the Ravens, Johnny ? :goodposting:
Here
I would think McGahee's FF value will receive a nice bumpwith a move to the Ravens.

 
The Buffalo Bills are entertaining free-agent running back Dominic Rhodes this afternoon at One Bills' Drive. They are scheduled to visit with Tennessee free agent Chris Brown on Wednesday.

If the Bills sign Rhodes today, then you may see something happen with McGahee to the Ravens today. If Rhodes leaves town without a contract, then we will have to wait and see if the Bills sign Brown, or they may wait until after talking to Brown before making a signing decision. So, it looks like the only way we will hear anything about McGahee to the Ravens today is if Rhodes signs today, then the Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens after that.

 
The Buffalo Bills are entertaining free-agent running back Dominic Rhodes this afternoon at One Bills' Drive. They are scheduled to visit with Tennessee free agent Chris Brown on Wednesday.If the Bills sign Rhodes today, then you may see something happen with McGahee to the Ravens today. If Rhodes leaves town without a contract, then we will have to wait and see if the Bills sign Brown, or they may wait until after talking to Brown before making a signing decision. So, it looks like the only way we will hear anything about McGahee to the Ravens today is if Rhodes signs today, then the Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens after that.
how about the Bills sign Jamal and trade McGahee to Balt.?
 
The Buffalo Bills are entertaining free-agent running back Dominic Rhodes this afternoon at One Bills' Drive. They are scheduled to visit with Tennessee free agent Chris Brown on Wednesday.If the Bills sign Rhodes today, then you may see something happen with McGahee to the Ravens today. If Rhodes leaves town without a contract, then we will have to wait and see if the Bills sign Brown, or they may wait until after talking to Brown before making a signing decision. So, it looks like the only way we will hear anything about McGahee to the Ravens today is if Rhodes signs today, then the Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens after that.
how about the Bills sign Jamal and trade McGahee to Balt.?
The Bills haven't shown any interest in Lewis.
 
The Buffalo Bills are entertaining free-agent running back Dominic Rhodes this afternoon at One Bills' Drive. They are scheduled to visit with Tennessee free agent Chris Brown on Wednesday.If the Bills sign Rhodes today, then you may see something happen with McGahee to the Ravens today. If Rhodes leaves town without a contract, then we will have to wait and see if the Bills sign Brown, or they may wait until after talking to Brown before making a signing decision. So, it looks like the only way we will hear anything about McGahee to the Ravens today is if Rhodes signs today, then the Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens after that.
Since I own McGahee in all 4 of my dynasty leagues,I would be giddy :) about this move.
 
Who is kapplin?

Adam Caplan is reporting the Ravens have had discussions with the Bills about Willis McGahee. Their first preference is to re-sign Lewis. If they don't get it done within a few days, they'll look harder at McGahee.

 
Who is kapplin?Adam Caplan is reporting the Ravens have had discussions with the Bills about Willis McGahee. Their first preference is to re-sign Lewis. If they don't get it done within a few days, they'll look harder at McGahee.
thanks adam
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
Ummmm . . . . I'm not so sure on this one.2,066 rushing yards x 85% = 1,756 rushing yards.Are you just matter of factly assigning Betts 1,756+ rushing yards? That's only happened 21 times. I wasn't aware that Baltimore was such a plug and play system for RB production.If that were the case, wouldn't Jamal Lewis have been a regular Top 5 fantasy RB? He ranked 4th in his best year--and he needed 2K+ rushing yards to do so. Lewis had no other season in the Top 10.
That's why i said total yards, Betts is a FAR better reciever than Jamal. Betts could get 1450 rushing/500 recieveing.
:blackdot: Dude I thought you were kidding. I like Betts but those #'s are alittle too high.
 
Let's be realistic about what Betts numbers would be in Baltimore.I think he'd get about 85% of what Lewis got during his best year.So ~ 1930 total yards/12 TD's sounds about right. Lock for top 10 RB, most likely top 5.
Ummmm . . . . I'm not so sure on this one.2,066 rushing yards x 85% = 1,756 rushing yards.Are you just matter of factly assigning Betts 1,756+ rushing yards? That's only happened 21 times. I wasn't aware that Baltimore was such a plug and play system for RB production.If that were the case, wouldn't Jamal Lewis have been a regular Top 5 fantasy RB? He ranked 4th in his best year--and he needed 2K+ rushing yards to do so. Lewis had no other season in the Top 10.
That's why i said total yards, Betts is a FAR better reciever than Jamal. Betts could get 1450 rushing/500 recieveing.
:blackdot: Dude I thought you were kidding. I like Betts but those #'s are alittle too high.
I think he is kidding.Extrapolation = :nerd:
 
Extrapolation = ;)
Extrapolation is a BDSM thing, right? :D By the way, hello to addum kappeline. Glad to see you checking into FBG to see your name (and story) botched. I think that's hilarious (the name part). You do great work.
 
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The Buffalo Bills are entertaining free-agent running back Dominic Rhodes this afternoon at One Bills' Drive. They are scheduled to visit with Tennessee free agent Chris Brown on Wednesday.If the Bills sign Rhodes today, then you may see something happen with McGahee to the Ravens today. If Rhodes leaves town without a contract, then we will have to wait and see if the Bills sign Brown, or they may wait until after talking to Brown before making a signing decision. So, it looks like the only way we will hear anything about McGahee to the Ravens today is if Rhodes signs today, then the Bills trade McGahee to the Ravens after that.
how about the Bills sign Jamal and trade McGahee to Balt.?
The Bills haven't shown any interest in Lewis.
Why not? Since they are willing to let Mcgahee go and sign Rhodes or Chris Brown they are obviously looking to down grade their running game. I would think Jamal could do that just as well as the others.
 
I think lod2005 summed it up best

in the Jamal to Green Bay thread

when he referred to Jamal Lewis as:

"a 1 dimensional bum"

brilliant. :lmao:

 
4 games is a bit too thin of a sample, I was using a much more realiable sample of 6 games with Betts, but you make a compelling argument. I'll keep my eye out for Dayne later in drafts.
This guy either has an excellent sense of humor or :goodposting:
 
It's all talk. Baltimore won't be willing to give up what Buffalo wants. They will end up resigning Lewis or some other hasbeen who they think will fill the gap for a yar. |The only problem is Baltimore only has 1 to 2 years max before they begin to decline, they need a big signing like McGahee to sure up the offense after McNair leaves.

My gues though is they sign someone to a 1 year contract b/c they aren't willing to give up draft picks (which they value too much). In my opinion, if you can get a player like McGahee you do it.

 

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