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*---------> Ravens vs Broncos <---------* (1 Viewer)

Ha, love it! I'm stealing it.BTW, the silence from the Baltimore side is deafening in here. The other seven sides this weekend have had plenty to say...even the Texans fans. Are any Ravens fans going to make their case?
We don't roll that way.
:goodposting: I already did make the Ravens' case - they're the 4th best team in a conference that has only 2 really good teams this year, so they've achieved on par with their talent by making the AFC's Final Four and now they're going to get bounced. They've been particularly terrible on the road.But if you want to know - theoretically - how they could win, U-H summed it up very well. Get the running game going with Rice/Pierce to neutralize the Denver pass rush and keep Manning off the field. Have Ed Reed bait Manning into a game-turning INT. Get a huge play on special teams. Finally, have Ray Lewis get dinged up again, so he has to come off the field and won't be standing out there on third downs like a stationary purple traffic cone as Manning shreds the middle of the Ravens defense. Which reminds me - Brandon Stokely is the only other guy besides Ray still in the NFL from the 2000 Super Bowl Ravens. He will be running circles around Ray tomorrow.One other positive is that this is as healthy as the Ravens D has been all year. Unfortunately, that still means Suggs is playing with one leg and one arm, as is Ngata, Ray is playing with one arm (and no legs) and Webb is still out, so the top 3 Ravens CBs tomorrow are Carey Williams, Corey Graham, and Chykie Brown.Which reminds me. There are going to be some Bronco WRs running wide open on double moves tomorrow - maybe Manning hits the underneath stuff in the early going to set it up, and then goes for the killshot later, but however he does it, he will have ample opportunities for huge plays downfield. I mentioned a Reed INT above, but far more likely is that he will jump what he thinks is an underneath route - totally abandoning his responsibility in pursuit of the individual highlight play - and leave Williams hung out to dry in single coverage on a double move that goes for a long TD.
 
The one thing that concerns me is dump-off passes to Ray Rice. I feel like Champ/Harris can keep Boldin/Smith on lockdown, Pitta/Dickson can get some yards but not enough to be a difference maker, and Rice/Pierce can be contained in the running game. Ray Rice has done some great things in the passing game this year, and IMO covering a RB out of the back field has been a weakness this year. The DL has done a tremendous job of sniffing out screens - especially Vickerson. Very disruptive if they have a clue it's coming. What I'm concerned about is Rice coming out and running routes in space.I'd assume Rice-contain responsibility will fall to WW or DJ.

 
Denver has had a terrible time defending against screen passes this year and so I echo the concerns about Ray Rice.My bigger concern is the weather. I told my wife a week ago that we needed a nice day for the game and it looks like it is going to be cold with some snow. This sort of feels like a more smash-mouth type game which favors Baltimore. Denver is going to rely heavily on their TEs. I don't think that is such a bad thing, because (maybe I am alone in this thinking) I believe having Ray Lewis out there is actually a negative for Baltimore. He is not 100% and I think Manning gets him isolated on a TE several times and just runs him into the ground--especially in the thin air.That being said, I have this really bad feeling in my stomach about this game. I am just not as confident as some of the other Bronco fans around me.

 
Interesting. Football Outsiders ranks Denver #11 in pass coverage vs. RBs, but #24 vs. TEs. The Ravens are a whopping #30 vs. #2 WRs. Decker killed them last time and I expect he will again.

 
'The_Man said:
Interesting. Football Outsiders ranks Denver #11 in pass coverage vs. RBs, but #24 vs. TEs. The Ravens are a whopping #30 vs. #2 WRs. Decker killed them last time and I expect he will again.
Pitta/Decker sounds like a good FF combo this week.
 
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'The_Man said:
Interesting. Football Outsiders ranks Denver #11 in pass coverage vs. RBs, but #24 vs. TEs. The Ravens are a whopping #30 vs. #2 WRs. Decker killed them last time and I expect he will again.
D has struggled w/ Te's for sure, but I'm of the opinion that if all we give up is some yards to the TE, it isn't going to be a big deal. Pitta/Dickson won't beat the Broncos. If RB's and WR's are contained, I don't really care what the TE's do.
 
It's also worth pointing out that while Pitta put up big numbers against the Broncos in that game last month, most of it came in the 4th quarter after the Broncos had taken a commanding 34-3 lead.

 
Sounds like the entire o-line is finally healthy for Denver as Kuper is expected to start. That is a huge upgrade over Ramirez, he may have improved the last two games, but Kuper is still &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ramirez. That should help with the run blocking and pass protection.

 
Sounds like the entire o-line is finally healthy for Denver as Kuper is expected to start. That is a huge upgrade over Ramirez, he may have improved the last two games, but Kuper is still &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ramirez. That should help with the run blocking and pass protection.
:thumbup: that's good news.
 
So, how good IS the Broncos running game? Is it enough to keep the Ravens (who are no stalwarts against the run) from pinning their ears back and rushing Peyton? Moreno's tendencies? Does he fumble? Can he catch?

 
Moreno has been very good this season. I think he was in the dog house but once MaGahee went down, Moreno was the obvious talent to replace him. I don't think fumbles will be a problem.

 
So, how good IS the Broncos running game? Is it enough to keep the Ravens (who are no stalwarts against the run) from pinning their ears back and rushing Peyton? Moreno's tendencies? Does he fumble? Can he catch?
he looks like an entirely new RB since McGahee went down. Efficient blocker, very good pass catcher, solid runner. He's probably not going to break a big run, but he's been consistent and is doing a lot of the small things a starting RB needs to do. IIRC, his best game of the season was against Baltimore earlier in the year. Seems he's matured since even the beginning of the year. There's an article (Denver Post?) this week where he says he's "running with his eyes now" rather than trying to do too much. Seems like the game has slowed down for him a bit and he may have been humbled by being inactive for ~2 months this season.
 
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Peyton Manning is 0-3 lifetime in the playoffs when temp is below 40 degrees.
The updated "feels like" temperature at kickoff is 3° ... speculation rampant that the hardware in Gomer's neck will freeze up.
Gerry Sandusky ‏@GerrySandusky (BAL play-by-play guy... not to be confused with the pedophile)

The Ravens just landed in Denver. White out snow storm and cold as $&amp;?! Ideal playoff conditions
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Not that rare. In addition to Peyton and Lewis, I'd say Champ, Brady, Willis, Calvin, Fitz, Peterson, Reed, Moss, and Polamalu all qualify, just looking at the multiple All Pros. Maybe Brees, Rodgers, Freeney, Andre, etc- depending on how liberal you want to be with the designation. With that many, you should be averaging one every few weeks.
That's extremely liberal. Willis, Calvin and Peterson have only played 6 seasons (the top of that 2007 (edit) draft is incredible!).I'll give you Brady, Reed, Moss and Brees. And for Peyton and and Lewis it's more like "possibly the best all time".
Not that liberal. Calvin has the yardage record. Peterson almost grabbed his, too- and he plays a position where 6 years is often a hell of a career. Willis has four first team AP All Pros in 5 years (and is a strong favorite to make it 5 in 6 this season, which would put him near the top of the career charts for an ILB). Anyway, there are going to be four players on the field in Denver today who all certainly rank in the top 5 to ever play their position, and all could probably make arguments for the #1 spot. And 20 years from now, with the benefit of hindsight, we'll be able to add Von Miller to that list, too ;) . Certainly not a game lacking in star power.

So, how good IS the Broncos running game? Is it enough to keep the Ravens (who are no stalwarts against the run) from pinning their ears back and rushing Peyton? Moreno's tendencies? Does he fumble? Can he catch?
Relies heavily on Manning diagnosing the defense and calling an audible into the right play. When you see Manning doing the chicken dance at the LoS, flapping his arms and pointing out defenders, a huge majority of the time he's noticing the box is light and switching into a run. Denver's running game is good enough to get very strong results when they have the right play called against the right defense, but none of the personnel is really able to impose their will in the run game. If it's the right call, Denver will execute the hell out of it. If it's not, it's going to be ugly for the Broncos, because nobody is going to make anything happen on their own. Fortunately, Manning has been doing this a long time, and it's almost always the right call.
 
Not that rare. In addition to Peyton and Lewis, I'd say Champ, Brady, Willis, Calvin, Fitz, Peterson, Reed, Moss, and Polamalu all qualify, just looking at the multiple All Pros. Maybe Brees, Rodgers, Freeney, Andre, etc- depending on how liberal you want to be with the designation. With that many, you should be averaging one every few weeks.
That's extremely liberal. Willis, Calvin and Peterson have only played 6 seasons (the top of that 2007 (edit) draft is incredible!).I'll give you Brady, Reed, Moss and Brees. And for Peyton and and Lewis it's more like "possibly the best all time".
Not that liberal. Calvin has the yardage record. Peterson almost grabbed his, too- and he plays a position where 6 years is often a hell of a career. Willis has four first team AP All Pros in 5 years (and is a strong favorite to make it 5 in 6 this season, which would put him near the top of the career charts for an ILB). Anyway, there are going to be four players on the field in Denver today who all certainly rank in the top 5 to ever play their position, and all could probably make arguments for the #1 spot. And 20 years from now, with the benefit of hindsight, we'll be able to add Von Miller to that list, too ;) . Certainly not a game lacking in star power.

So, how good IS the Broncos running game? Is it enough to keep the Ravens (who are no stalwarts against the run) from pinning their ears back and rushing Peyton? Moreno's tendencies? Does he fumble? Can he catch?
Relies heavily on Manning diagnosing the defense and calling an audible into the right play. When you see Manning doing the chicken dance at the LoS, flapping his arms and pointing out defenders, a huge majority of the time he's noticing the box is light and switching into a run. Denver's running game is good enough to get very strong results when they have the right play called against the right defense, but none of the personnel is really able to impose their will in the run game. If it's the right call, Denver will execute the hell out of it. If it's not, it's going to be ugly for the Broncos, because nobody is going to make anything happen on their own. Fortunately, Manning has been doing this a long time, and it's almost always the right call.
Thanks to all for the Moreno scouting report. I lost interest in the 2nd half a month ago and didn't pay much attention. My lasting memory of that game - besides Flacco/Cam's dumb call for the pick 6 - is Moreno leaping over Ed Reed.Anyway, happy game day all! 16 degrees at game time. Should be fun.

For Donks fans, Ravens LB Daniel Ellerbe (missed the first game) is probably Baltimore's best defender right now. Lewis, Reed, Ngata, and even Kruger are getting most of the ink but Ellerbe has been very good lately.

 
Not that rare. In addition to Peyton and Lewis, I'd say Champ, Brady, Willis, Calvin, Fitz, Peterson, Reed, Moss, and Polamalu all qualify, just looking at the multiple All Pros. Maybe Brees, Rodgers, Freeney, Andre, etc- depending on how liberal you want to be with the designation. With that many, you should be averaging one every few weeks.
That's extremely liberal. Willis, Calvin and Peterson have only played 6 seasons (the top of that 2007 (edit) draft is incredible!).I'll give you Brady, Reed, Moss and Brees. And for Peyton and and Lewis it's more like "possibly the best all time".
Not that liberal. Calvin has the yardage record. Peterson almost grabbed his, too- and he plays a position where 6 years is often a hell of a career. Willis has four first team AP All Pros in 5 years (and is a strong favorite to make it 5 in 6 this season, which would put him near the top of the career charts for an ILB). Anyway, there are going to be four players on the field in Denver today who all certainly rank in the top 5 to ever play their position, and all could probably make arguments for the #1 spot. And 20 years from now, with the benefit of hindsight, we'll be able to add Von Miller to that list, too ;) . Certainly not a game lacking in star power.

So, how good IS the Broncos running game? Is it enough to keep the Ravens (who are no stalwarts against the run) from pinning their ears back and rushing Peyton? Moreno's tendencies? Does he fumble? Can he catch?
Relies heavily on Manning diagnosing the defense and calling an audible into the right play. When you see Manning doing the chicken dance at the LoS, flapping his arms and pointing out defenders, a huge majority of the time he's noticing the box is light and switching into a run. Denver's running game is good enough to get very strong results when they have the right play called against the right defense, but none of the personnel is really able to impose their will in the run game. If it's the right call, Denver will execute the hell out of it. If it's not, it's going to be ugly for the Broncos, because nobody is going to make anything happen on their own. Fortunately, Manning has been doing this a long time, and it's almost always the right call.
Thanks to all for the Moreno scouting report. I lost interest in the 2nd half a month ago and didn't pay much attention. My lasting memory of that game - besides Flacco/Cam's dumb call for the pick 6 - is Moreno leaping over Ed Reed.Anyway, happy game day all! 16 degrees at game time. Should be fun.

For Donks fans, Ravens LB Daniel Ellerbe (missed the first game) is probably Baltimore's best defender right now. Lewis, Reed, Ngata, and even Kruger are getting most of the ink but Ellerbe has been very good lately.
There's a reason Manning is on a 9-0 streak vs. Baltimore. His chicken dance works - though the Ravens held him to 15 points in 2006, but McNair couldn't get it done. But he pretty much abuses them every time they play.Ellerbe is good, but I'd say the Ravens two best defenders of late have been Kruger and Corey Graham. Not a joke - that guy has been shutting it down. And I'm still hoping Ngata is getting healthier and has one massive game in him.

Ray Lewis is a disaster in pass coverage and Brandon Stokley will be sending him into retirement today, along with any other eligible Denver pass catcher that Ray is assigned to "cover" - i.e., tackle 10-25 yards downfield after a completed pass in the middle of the field.

 
'Workhorse said:
According to Bill Barnwell, the Ravens line at the Wynn has dropped to +7.5.Interesting...
Not surprised. With all of this talk about how cold it's supposed to be and Peyton's record in really cold games, a lot of late bettors are probably taking the points.
 
Watching NFL Gameday - and some talk about Anquan Boldin getting 0 catches 4 weeks ago and how they need to get him involved and how good he is at going up on those high passes, etc. -- and during all of that no one really mentions why he caught 0 balls 4 weeks ago. I hope Flacco forces a few to Boldin to get him involved because waiting for him there will be Champ.BTW - my house is less than two miles from Mile High and sun is peeking out right now. No wind and it's not all that bad out today.

 
Watching NFL Gameday - and some talk about Anquan Boldin getting 0 catches 4 weeks ago and how they need to get him involved and how good he is at going up on those high passes, etc. -- and during all of that no one really mentions why he caught 0 balls 4 weeks ago. I hope Flacco forces a few to Boldin to get him involved because waiting for him there will be Champ.BTW - my house is less than two miles from Mile High and sun is peeking out right now. No wind and it's not all that bad out today.
I think it was Harris who shut Boldin down last game. And then Boldin picked up a 15-yard penalty w/ a late hit or cheap shot or whatever on Harris at the end of the game
 
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Watching NFL Gameday - and some talk about Anquan Boldin getting 0 catches 4 weeks ago and how they need to get him involved and how good he is at going up on those high passes, etc. -- and during all of that no one really mentions why he caught 0 balls 4 weeks ago. I hope Flacco forces a few to Boldin to get him involved because waiting for him there will be Champ.BTW - my house is less than two miles from Mile High and sun is peeking out right now. No wind and it's not all that bad out today.
I think it was Harris who shut Boldin down last game. And then Boldin picked up a 15-yard penalty w/ a late hit or cheap shot or whatever on Harris at the end of the game
And that is another good point - Harris has been very solid in this 11 game stretch. Just weird on NFL this morning - story is Ray, Ray, Manning Glove, Can Flacco do it, Ray, how the Ravens D will work with Ray, Ray stopping the Moreno runs. But not a segment on the Bronco D so far. Hardly any mention of Von Miller, Champ, Harris , Dumervil. Pretty sure that will be the story today - crowd noise will be tough for Flacco to operate in shotgun and I'm expecting a few 3 and outs - they were 1-12 on third down last game. and that 1 came way late in the game as I recall. Perhaps Caldwell is getting it working better - but at Mile High this D is impressive. Looking for lots of sacks of Flacco.ETA - Kuper playing today big plus for run game - bounce on spread should be going the other way.
 
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Would not be surprised to see a Flacco strip sack go for a TD. Would be surprised if Flacco does NOT fumble this game.I put Flacco fumbles at +/- 1.5. Luckily Oher is often beat so bad that he is no longer blocking when Flacco fumbles and is pretty good at diving on the loose ball.

 
'SSOG said:
Not that rare. In addition to Peyton and Lewis, I'd say Champ, Brady, Willis, Calvin, Fitz, Peterson, Reed, Moss, and Polamalu all qualify, just looking at the multiple All Pros. Maybe Brees, Rodgers, Freeney, Andre, etc- depending on how liberal you want to be with the designation. With that many, you should be averaging one every few weeks.
That's extremely liberal. Willis, Calvin and Peterson have only played 6 seasons (the top of that 2007 (edit) draft is incredible!).I'll give you Brady, Reed, Moss and Brees. And for Peyton and and Lewis it's more like "possibly the best all time".
Not that liberal. Calvin has the yardage record. Peterson almost grabbed his, too- and he plays a position where 6 years is often a hell of a career. Willis has four first team AP All Pros in 5 years (and is a strong favorite to make it 5 in 6 this season, which would put him near the top of the career charts for an ILB). Anyway, there are going to be four players on the field in Denver today who all certainly rank in the top 5 to ever play their position, and all could probably make arguments for the #1 spot. And 20 years from now, with the benefit of hindsight, we'll be able to add Von Miller to that list, too ;) . Certainly not a game lacking in star power.
Sure, 6 years is a lot for a RB; it's a lot for any position. But we're not talking about an average player, we're talking about the GOAT at their respective positions. None of those 3 guys would make the HoF, much less be considered among the top all time, if they retired today. They'd be in the "what if?" category of players.On the other hand Peyton and Lewis are possibly the best Qb and MLB of all time right now and they're playing each other. And Reed and Bailey are probably top 5 right now. My point was that a game, especially a playoff game, featuring such all time talent is extremely rare. It's not a game with probable, eventual HoFers playing each other (that happens routinely), it's a game with currently GOAT players playing each other. Very rare.

 
Ellerbe is good, but I'd say the Ravens two best defenders of late have been Kruger and Corey Graham. Not a joke - that guy has been shutting it down. And I'm still hoping Ngata is getting healthier and has one massive game in him.
Graham is my man. Unsung hero that saved the season after Webb went down.
 

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