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"Raw" or "Project" WRs that panned out? (1 Viewer)

Heisman187

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Every year we see these raw or unpolished WRs come into the league that need some seasoning before they can blossom. Guys like Ted Ginn, Darrius Heyward-Bey, etc. It just seems like these project WRs never end up amounting to much. Can anyone give me an example of a "project" WR that did eventually turn into something great?..and in general, what do you look for in a guy that has raw ability to differentiate between the players that will boom, and most that will bust?

 
Taken out of the University of Alabama-Birmingham in the first round (27th overall) in 2005, Roddy White was seen as a raw talent.

One person who worked for the Falcons at the time White first arrived admitted the brass in Flowery Branch had a huge case of buyer's remorse after they saw White in his first training camp and through most of his first two seasons. That person said there was a moment during White’s rookie season when an assistant coach stood up in a meeting and said White simply wasn’t good enough to play in the NFL and there was no argument in response.

 
another thing that drives me nuts is why WRs with "bad hands" can't improve that aspect of their game. How difficult is it to catch a football? I mean seriously, even if it's not a "natural" act for you, pull a raymond berry and catch 500 balls a day until it is. It's a basic skill that most should be able to master. Sure, you maybe won't be pulling down one handed snags over darrell revis on Monday Night Football, but not making the routine catches there is no excuse for.

 
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vincent jackson

2005-06 San Diego 8 3 59 0

2006-07 San Diego 16 27 453 6

2007-08 San Diego 16 41 623 3

2008-09 San Diego 16 59 1098 7

sidney rice

2007-08 Minnesota 13 31 396 4

2008-09 Minnesota 13 15 141 4

2009-10 Minnesota 16 83 1312 8

 
Every year we see these raw or unpolished WRs come into the league that need some seasoning before they can blossom. Guys like Ted Ginn, Darrius Heyward-Bey, etc. It just seems like these project WRs never end up amounting to much. Can anyone give me an example of a "project" WR that did eventually turn into something great?..and in general, what do you look for in a guy that has raw ability to differentiate between the players that will boom, and most that will bust?
TO should be the poster boy for this section of WRs. I'm not sure Jerry Rice was a project guy, he was awesome at any time in his career i'm sure. I think the OP's question should have been clarified to mean physical studs but not born to be receiver studs. Like DHB is physically incredible, size, speed, strength, etc. But he is not meant to be a WR. Someone like Crabtree is destined to be a WR. He just has "it" whatever that is. Even though he has laid some eggs this year, you can just tell that the kid oozes talent at the WR spot.All in all i think guys like DHB never make it because they are sprinters or track and field athletes over WRs. A guy like Crabtree or Fitzgerald has it all, incredible athletes but also born to be WRs.
 
another thing that drives me nuts is why WRs with "bad hands" can't improve that aspect of their game. How difficult is it to catch a football? I mean seriously, even if it's not a "natural" act for you, pull a raymond berry and catch 500 balls a day until it is. It's a basic skill that most should be able to master. Sure, you maybe won't be pulling down one handed snags over darrell revis on Monday Night Football, but not making the routine catches there is no excuse for.
Having your wife throw you a football in your back yard is different than Peyton Manning launching one at 100mph as you run at full speed.
 
another thing that drives me nuts is why WRs with "bad hands" can't improve that aspect of their game. How difficult is it to catch a football? I mean seriously, even if it's not a "natural" act for you, pull a raymond berry and catch 500 balls a day until it is. It's a basic skill that most should be able to master. Sure, you maybe won't be pulling down one handed snags over darrell revis on Monday Night Football, but not making the routine catches there is no excuse for.
Having your wife throw you a football in your back yard is different than Peyton Manning launching one at 100mph as you run at full speed.
Not my wife :shrug: But, ya. It is totally different, especially when you are running routes and concentrating on a ton of other factors, and as soon as you turn your head the football is 5ft from your hands traveling like a freakin' space ship.
 
Marques Colston

Grade: 3.19

Position: WR

Class: Sr

School: Hofstra

Conference: Atlantic Ten

Ht., Wt.: 6-4.5, 224

40 Time: 4.55

Selected by: New Orleans Saints

Round 7, pick 44 (252 overall)

Grading System

BIO: All-Conference selection as a senior after posting 70/975/. Missed the .04 season after leading the team in receiving the prior year with 51/910/7.

POSITIVES: King-sized wideout whose game significantly progressed last year. Offers the quarterback a big target, gets vertical and out-jumps opponents for the pass. Nicely adjusts to the throw and has reliable hands. Comes back to the ball, makes the reception in stride and looks the pass in. Has a burst of acceleration and displays speed in the open field.

NEGATIVES: Slows into breaks running routes. Must display better awareness, get past the sticks on third down and consistently catch the ball before he runs up field.

ANALYSIS: A prospect with outstanding size/speed numbers, Colston has the ability to be a No. 2 receiver in the NFL once he gets adjusted to the speed of the game. An outstanding red-zone target who also flourishes on third-down situations.

PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent

 
sidney rice 2007-08 Minnesota 13 31 396 4 2008-09 Minnesota 13 15 141 4 2009-10 Minnesota 16 83 1312 8
Sidney rice was definitely not a "raw" receiver. The complete opposite, in fact. Rice dominated in college because his ball skills were so incredibly good. He would routinely come down with balls that he was perfectly covered on just because he was so good at adjusting to the ball in the air and attacking it at its highest point.
 
oh... thanks for pointing that out. i didnt really have any idea but I found a couple sites that said he was "raw."

Wouldn't be surprised if that's just because they didn't actually know anything and were just assuming it based on the fact that he only played 2 years in college.

 
sidney rice 2007-08 Minnesota 13 31 396 4 2008-09 Minnesota 13 15 141 4 2009-10 Minnesota 16 83 1312 8
Sidney rice was definitely not a "raw" receiver. The complete opposite, in fact. Rice dominated in college because his ball skills were so incredibly good. He would routinely come down with balls that he was perfectly covered on just because he was so good at adjusting to the ball in the air and attacking it at its highest point.
Really? Interesting. I always remembered people referring to Rice as raw and needing some time to develop a bit more. I know he was solid at SC, but still thought most believe he had a long way to go in order to develop his game to succeed at the next level.
 
sidney rice 2007-08 Minnesota 13 31 396 4 2008-09 Minnesota 13 15 141 4 2009-10 Minnesota 16 83 1312 8
Sidney rice was definitely not a "raw" receiver. The complete opposite, in fact. Rice dominated in college because his ball skills were so incredibly good. He would routinely come down with balls that he was perfectly covered on just because he was so good at adjusting to the ball in the air and attacking it at its highest point.
Really? Interesting. I always remembered people referring to Rice as raw and needing some time to develop a bit more. I know he was solid at SC, but still thought most believe he had a long way to go in order to develop his game to succeed at the next level.
Often the "raw" WR may have physical skills, including hands and ball skills, but is a poor route runner. Perhaps that was the knock on Rice coming out?FWIW, any raw prospect who's main deficiency is bad hands... stay away. I can't recall any that have turned that corner. DHB, I'm looking at you!
 
sidney rice 2007-08 Minnesota 13 31 396 4 2008-09 Minnesota 13 15 141 4 2009-10 Minnesota 16 83 1312 8
Sidney rice was definitely not a "raw" receiver. The complete opposite, in fact. Rice dominated in college because his ball skills were so incredibly good. He would routinely come down with balls that he was perfectly covered on just because he was so good at adjusting to the ball in the air and attacking it at its highest point.
Really? Interesting. I always remembered people referring to Rice as raw and needing some time to develop a bit more. I know he was solid at SC, but still thought most believe he had a long way to go in order to develop his game to succeed at the next level.
Often the "raw" WR may have physical skills, including hands and ball skills, but is a poor route runner. Perhaps that was the knock on Rice coming out?FWIW, any raw prospect who's main deficiency is bad hands... stay away. I can't recall any that have turned that corner. DHB, I'm looking at you!
Agreed. I think bad route running can be overcome, but there are lots and lots of projects that couldn't catch the football (troy williamson, ginn, jett just to name a few) that never panned out.
 
I believe Joe Horn was considered a "raw" prospect. He was a 5th rounder out of Itawamba JC and was 24 when he hit the league and had a whopping 4 receptions in the league by the time he was 26. He stood at roughly 800+ yards for his career by the time he was 28 and went to NO as a FA. At that point, he went on a five year tear, averaging roughly 1200 yards and 9 TDs before age caught up with him. That is about as "raw" as it gets. If not for finally showing signs of life in his final year in KC, there is a good chance he would have been dropped from the Chiefs and picked up by no one.

 
Jerry RiceMiles AustinTO
Miles Austin is a good one. I'm pretty sure most people thought TO would be good in his rookie year, Jerry Rice was a little before my time, but wasn't he a great college player also?
Terrell Owens was one of the last picks of the 3rd round, and he played his college ball at Tennessee-Chattanooga. Why on earth would anyone have expected him to be good his rookie year?
Vincent Jackson - Northern Colorado Maybe
Definitely.
 
Terrell Owens was one of the last picks of the 3rd round, and he played his college ball at Tennessee-Chattanooga. Why on earth would anyone have expected him to be good his rookie year?
Because he was picked in the third round?
Last years third round had 3 impact players (Mike Wallace, Shonn Greene, Jerraud Powers - although I don't know how he is playing this season), a few guys who might have a chance this season (brandon Tate, Asher Allen - who is bad, Deon Butler, etc...) but for the most part everyone else is either drafted for depth (as bit players) or projects. Being a third round pick is not a guarantee of anything at all.
 
Terrell Owens was one of the last picks of the 3rd round, and he played his college ball at Tennessee-Chattanooga. Why on earth would anyone have expected him to be good his rookie year?
Because he was picked in the third round?
The WRs drafted in the 3rd round this year were Damien Williams, Brandon Lafell, Emmanuel Sanders, Jordan Shipley, Eric Decker, Andre Roberts, Armanti Edwards, and Taylor Price. How many of those WRs did people expect to be good this season? And a lot of those guys were coming from big-time college football factories like USC, LSU, or Texas, not from Tennessee-Chattanooga.
 
What's interesting to me is how low the "college producers" fall in the draft in many instances. Boldin comes to mind. Bryant Johnson was taken two rounds ahead of him and Boldin was the guy with the huge college numbers. We all know how that turned out...

 
That "panned out":

Andre Reed

Vincent Jackson

Lav Coles

Miles Austin

Colston

Randle El

May still pan out:

Devin Hester

Dwayne Bowe

Heyward-Bay (I don't call him a bust just yet)

Didn't work:

Eric Crouch

Matt Jones

Troy Williamson

James Jett

Rocket Ismail

I'm sure many I don't even know about

 
I'll submit Pierre Garcon.

Drafted in the lat 6th round from a Division III school, and made a solid impact in year 2 in a very sophisticated NFL offense.

I had a sense that he might be worthwhile when Polian drafted him, as he usually goes for players from big-name schools for his offensive skill positions.

Garcon still has some things to improve upon, but I'd say he's on his way.

 
Hines Ward?
Hines Ward was going to be mine as was Antwan Randle El (ARE).Ward was a very good all purpose offensive weapon when he played for the Georgia Bulldogs in the mid 90's.While he was a 3rd rd. pick of the Steelers, it was not a foregone conclusion that he would excel as a full-time NFL WR.ARE was a QB at Indiana. The fact that he is still in the NFL as a WR, albeit not a superstar, is impressive.
 
Hines Ward?
This is a good one. College QB. Same with Antwaan Randel-El to a lesser extent.I'm also surprised nobody has mentioned Antonio Gates. Sure, he's a TE, but he may break Gonzo's records one day and he played basketball in college. That's as raw as it gets. He was a total project.
 

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