Ray Rice video of KO punch released (1 Viewer)

[Hoss Style]

Hard to blame DA here - got the indictment for aggravated assault. Presumably Rice, with no priors, was able to plea bargain down to a lesser charge - which is what happens in 99% of criminal cases. Not every criminal gets jail time - even for domestic violence, and certainly someone with a clean record will get more leeway than someone with a lengthy rap sheet.

Add in the fact that they got married (and the DA would not be able to call the victim as a witness), and you have enough issues for the DA to take a deal, rather than deal with a bunch of high profile attorneys on a rather routine case.

Good Post. A good lawyer will get a first time offender no jail time 9 times out of 10 for simple assault.

 

[False Start]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

No, the problem is you are justifying HITTING (physical) her for what she may have SAID (words). Not because you created a "hypothetical".

Creating a hypothetical is justifying? Who needs school, I have people on a message board who are self righteous to show me the way.

 

[lod01]

Dude has lightning quick hands...........Your next heavyweight champion of the world!!!!

 

[Sinn Fein]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

I am skipping most of the posts, but is anyone really defending Rice here, or simply saying they understand a scenario where a person could act that way?

Again, if you say you understand why Rice might punch someone, you are not saying you agree with the choice [/Chris Rock]

I do find the righteous indignation a bit disingenuous. The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

 

[False Start]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

I am skipping most of the posts, but is anyone really defending Rice here, or simply saying they understand a scenario where a person could act that way?

Again, if you say you understand why Rice might punch someone, you are not saying you agree with the choice [/Chris Rock]

I do find the righteous indignation a bit disingenuous. The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

Some people dont get that.

 

[fatness]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

In this case you're throwing out hypotheticals because there is more evidence that the guy whose actions you're defending acted terribly wrong.

The evidence seems to make you upset.

 

[3C's]

If she doesn't approach him, he doesn't knock her out.

They got in the elevator, she pushed the button, he cornered her and said something, she pushed him away, he hit her the first time. You act like this did not happen.

People see what they want to see.

No, they see what's on the video.

Some people see what they want to see on the video.

 

[top dog]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

No, the problem is you are justifying HITTING (physical) her for what she may have SAID (words). Not because you created a "hypothetical".

Creating a hypothetical is justifying? Who needs school, I have people on a message board who are self righteous to show me the way.

 

[Abrantes]

So many angry dudes getting angry and name calling, in a thread where they are trying to be against the violence.

Over a hypothetical, but again, no one is self righteous.

What's with the mental gymnastics? Why play coy? People aren't outraged over the presentation of a hypothetical, but rather over the use of that hypothetical as justification for an act of gratuitous violence against someone who didn't have a prayer for defending herself, and the presentation of that hypothetical as an understandable reaction.

 

[KCitons]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, [SIZE=13.63636302948px]Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.[/SIZE]

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

vid's been out 2 min and you people already optioned the movie rights



stay classy, shark pool

 

[ICON211]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

Man you're trying hard to justify this. How many women have you knocked out?

I must of knocked out many because I type a hypothetical on the internet.

I think its funny there are so many fake people in here. Getting mad, but acting like they have the restraint to not hit a woman when they dont even have the restraint to not name call on a message forum.

How is calling someone a name on a message board and knocking out a physically weaker person even remotely comparable?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Putting on my TimHat:

What if, instead of his fiancé, it was some fantasy football geek - 120 pounds of geekness - and he came up to Rice and was giving Rice #### for how he played, and that Rice cost him a FF championship, yadda, yadda, yadda...and Rice snapped, and just cold cocked him in the elevator.

Do we have the same level of outrage?

Genuine question - how much of this outrage is because of the violence, and how much is because it was violence against a woman?

 

[Tango]

Yes. Where the heck is the DA? I cant stand Roger Goodell and I am smart enough to know that he should not be expected to hand out punishments in a fair and consistent way on criminal issues. Blanket, black & white policies? Sure? But consistency on any of the thousands of crimes that could be commited by NFL-related people? Impossible! the guy runs a sports league.This is the DA/court's job and they are the ones to point the finger at.

I was in agreement with the two games Goodell doled out because it's not his job to levy punishment. My assumption was that the video would show Rice had a bad reaction to something she did since she was also charged. In the end Rice pleas to DV classes; two games, fine.After watching that video, I think Goodell did a poor job of "protecting the shield." The new DV policy is an attempt to correct his failure, but I think he needs to revise it to say at least 6 games. He should have been able to foresee the public backlash from that video. As such, he should have taken a much tougher stance.

I'm also amazed that she was charged with anything after watching the video.

Yeah, I agree, Nero. The worst part is he interviewed the victim in the same room as the perp. For an extreme comparision - imagine interviewing a witness to a murder with the purported killer in the chair next to the witness. How honest do you think the witness is going to be?

Horrible move by Goodell.

Things to complain about:

1. The law and the existence of loopholes big enough to accommodate this level of violence

2. The DA's inability to find a way around the loopholes and to let him get away with counseling B.S.

3. The NFL and the NFLPA's apparent inability to adjudicate in a fair and consistent manner

I agree that #3 has dropped the ball, but our expectations should be low for a sport's leagues ability to adjudicate justice.

80% of our outrage should be squarely on #1 and #2.

 

[Hoss Style]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

I am skipping most of the posts, but is anyone really defending Rice here, or simply saying they understand a scenario where a person could act that way?

Again, if you say you understand why Rice might punch someone, you are not saying you agree with the choice [/Chris Rock]

I do find the righteous indignation a bit disingenuous. The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

A few are actually implying defense of Rice - strongly implying. With lines like "She wouldn't have been hit if she hadn't approached him" or "you wouldn't hit your wife if she did" X, Y or Z?

It was getting very weird.

I also would respectfully disagree with not changing your opinion of someone if you saw them knock out their spouse in the middle of an argument, man or woman, where there was not much physical aggression the other way.

There may be more to the story, but it would have to be something utterly insane to justify a loss of control. I mean something really crazy, like "I've got your mother hostage in my basement".

 

[PatsWillWin]

I do find the righteous indignation a bit disingenuous. The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

I may be naive, but given the light suspension and the team standing behind Rice on a pretty unpopular issue (i.e. people don't like it when men knock out women) I was hoping that there was something a little more nuanced. Like she was over the top trying to beat him, and he had his head ducked down or something and just swung without looking, or maybe she was almost falling over drunk anyway and he kinda pushed her, and she smacked her head against something. Something like that.

Not that that would've been a rosy picture either, but I'd be more willing to go down the "made a mistake" type line of thinking if it were something like that.

Turns out, it really wasn't all that nuanced at all. He hit more. More than once. Had enough to knock her unconscious (after spitting on her, which doesn't help).

So for me, in that sense, it definitely changes my opinion.

In case some of the people quasi-defending Rice aren't fishing, I'm sorry, but you're a complete moron if you think that it's okay to hit a woman over something she says. In most cases, it's pretty stupid/immature to hit a guy over something he says (unless you're college-aged), but at least you're probably in a fair fight.

I mean, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain why it's wrong to hit a woman hard enough that she loses consciousness. I don't really see that as being "Self righteous." It's just quite obviously a despicable thing to do.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, [SIZE=13.63636302948px]Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.[/SIZE]

I think that was her side of the story.

I believe mcdonald claimed he was punching the baby and she just got in the way

 

[timschochet]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, [SIZE=13.63px]Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.[/SIZE]

I didn't target anyone's specific comments and I won't. Unfortunately, there have been a lot of comments in this thread worthy of criticism.

 

[False Start]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.

Again, why I am calling a lot of the people in this thread fake.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Putting on my TimHat:

What if, instead of his fiancé, it was some fantasy football geek - 120 pounds of geekness - and he came up to Rice and was giving Rice #### for how he played, and that Rice cost him a FF championship, yadda, yadda, yadda...and Rice snapped, and just cold cocked him in the elevator.

Do we have the same level of outrage?

Genuine question - how much of this outrage is because of the violence, and how much is because it was violence against a woman?

I did the math, and if you control for weight and stature, the gender difference increases outrage by 147%.

 

[Tango]

Mort is saying the NFL did not have this video

 

[Limp Ditka]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.

Again, why I am calling a lot of the people in this thread fake.

Then you're a little dimmer than I originally thought.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.

Again, why I am calling a lot of the people in this thread fake.

The reasons are pretty obvious, which is why everyone know's you're being fake.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Mort is saying the NFL did not have this video

NFL just backtracking....

 

[Abrantes]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.

Again, why I am calling a lot of the people in this thread fake.

If McDonald also gets a figurative slap on the wrist, there will be outrage. Until then, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

 

[Hoss Style]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, [SIZE=13.63636302948px]Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.[/SIZE]

I think that was her side of the story.

I believe mcdonald claimed he was punching the baby and she just got in the way

Jesus, this was in bad taste.

And I laughed. A lot.

 

[mbuehner]

:IBTL:

 

[shader]

Putting on my TimHat:

What if, instead of his fiancé, it was some fantasy football geek - 120 pounds of geekness - and he came up to Rice and was giving Rice #### for how he played, and that Rice cost him a FF championship, yadda, yadda, yadda...and Rice snapped, and just cold cocked him in the elevator.

Do we have the same level of outrage?

Genuine question - how much of this outrage is because of the violence, and how much is because it was violence against a woman?

This is pretty obvious.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

Not sure if you are referring to me? If you are, let me just make something clear: We don't have all the facts, we have a video. The outrage for this is only because there is a video. The authorities and the NFL did what they were suppose to do. The NFL is looking at a better way to address the issue moving forward. In case it's not clear, these things happen in society every day. There is no video of those incidents. If you truly care, beyond the scope of the NFL, then exact change somewhere besides a "FOOTBALL guys message board"

BTW, Where is the Ray McDonald thread? He assaulted a pregnant woman. Must not be on video.

Again, why I am calling a lot of the people in this thread fake.

If McDonald also gets a figurative slap on the wrist, there will be outrage. Until then, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Please keep in mind, this appears to be a person that perceives an insult and an assault as equals.

 

[timschochet]

Reading through this thread sickens me almost as much as watching that video. Some if the comments in here in defense of Rice have been absolutely vile. My hope is that these comments are representative only of trolls on the internet, and not of most people in this forum, or society in general.

I am skipping most of the posts, but is anyone really defending Rice here, or simply saying they understand a scenario where a person could act that way?

Again, if you say you understand why Rice might punch someone, you are not saying you agree with the choice [/Chris Rock]

I do find the righteous indignation a bit disingenuous. The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

1. Not sure there is much difference. A strong man, one of the most exceptional athletes in the world, hit a woman hard enough to knock her out. Hard to see any kind of scenario that would justify such an act, ever.

2. Several months back, I made a similar argument to Chris Rock when I was trying to explain why some people (not necessarily me) believed that what Roman Polanski did to a 12 year old girl was not worth the condemnation it received. Of course that act was not one of violence, nor was it videotaped. Nonetheless, my comments were attacked as vile by so many people that I felt the need to apologize. IMO, the comments in here are much worse.

3. Of course showing the video does, and should, change people's opinions. Personalizing actions makes them real to people. Seeing is believing.

 

[Limp Ditka]

2. Several months back, I made a similar argument to Chris Rock when I was trying to explain why some people (not necessarily me) believed that what Roman Polanski did to a 12 year old girl was not worth the condemnation it received. Of course that act was not one of violence, nor was it videotaped. Nonetheless, my comments were attacked as vile by so many people that I felt the need to apologize. IMO, the comments in here are much worse.

Rape isn't violent?

 

[RBM]

The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

It shouldn't?

 

[PatsWillWin]

3. Of course showing the video does, and should, change people's opinions. Personalizing actions makes them real to people. Seeing is believing.

Yeah I don't think there's anything wrong or hypocritical about having a stronger reaction after actually seeing what happened. It's odd that some, fishing or otherwise, are holding that up as evidence of something.

 

[timschochet]

Mort is saying the NFL did not have this video

1. If they had the video, then they need to explain why it did not affect the term of the suspension. (Though I can't conceive of a satisfactory explanation at this moment.)

2. If they didn't have the video, then they need to reassess the suspension and extend it.

3. The Baltimore Ravens need to cut Ray Rice. Now.

 

[dickey moe]

This thread is very enlightening, in so many ways.

 

[timschochet]

2. Several months back, I made a similar argument to Chris Rock when I was trying to explain why some people (not necessarily me) believed that what Roman Polanski did to a 12 year old girl was not worth the condemnation it received. Of course that act was not one of violence, nor was it videotaped. Nonetheless, my comments were attacked as vile by so many people that I felt the need to apologize. IMO, the comments in here are much worse.

Rape isn't violent?

I don't want to hijack the thread with this. All rape is violence of a sort, of course. I meant physically violent in that instance. I think you understand the difference.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Jeebus, tim

 

[georg013]

<----- No real reason for this. Just see it over-used everywhere so I thought I'd get it on the fun! Carry on.

 

[McGarnicle]

Part of me hopes Rice is banned from the league, while another part hopes he turns out to be a solid value 8th round pick who offers RB1 upside.

 

[dickey moe]

Rice's punishment aside, Goodell SHOULD get creamed for this in the court of public opinion. If he based his punishment without demanding/making arrangements to see that video -- that's bad. If he made his decision after seeing that video, his decision is magnitudes worse.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What part of Ray knocked his wife out months ago did not make you think what yous aw in the video is what you were going to see.

After all, you had months to make a big deal out of this.

All the people who spun the following stories:

"she was falling down drunk and hit her head"

"she was out of control and he was just defending himself"

"he may have shoved her to get her away and she hit her head"

"she's just passed out drunk for all we know"

--- I didn't think they were likely, but knew any of them were possible. We now see without much question that none of them are true. Not sure why you're picking the "WHY ARE YOU MAD NOW" battle to start when today is the first day we clearly see what a POS Rice is.

 

[massraider]

Hearing about terrible things, and then seeing them, yes, it's a different thing.

It just is. I find it disingenuous that people are acting as tho that is news.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

It shouldn't?

You thought it was OK to hit his fiancé before the video?

 

[Franknbeans]

from rotoworld...

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello says the NFL had not seen the video of Ray Rice knocking out his then-fiancee in a New Jersey elevator when it suspended Rice two games for domestic violence.
A new video was leaked Monday that showed Rice and then-fiancee (now wife) Janay Palmer in a New Jersey hotel casino elevator. Rice throws a left hook to Palmer's face, knocking her out cold before dragging her limp body out of the elevator. Multiple media outlets have suggested that the NFL could re-open the case against Rice. He's eligible to return to the team on Friday, following the Ravens' Week 2 game on Thursday night. Commissioner Roger Goodell could hand down further discipline. Rice is lucky he isn't in jail.

 

[RBM]

The video really should not change people's views of Rice, or the incident.

It shouldn't?

You thought it was OK to hit his fiancé before the video?

No. But see Ahrns post above.

 

[hotlanta]

Most of you are hating on Rice right now and I agree that he deserves it. His actions afterwards were just as despicable. He just drags her out of the elevator like a rag doll?

Now, what was he supposed to do in this situation? Isn't the woman here just as guilty for hitting him first? Are we as males expected to sit there and take the abuse and not react at all? Are there no consequences for the woman here?

 

[mbuehner]

What bothers me about this whole issue (aside from some of the lunacy displayed by the trolls) is how everyone is so concerned about how Rice's employer punished him, and nobody seems scandalized that the law let him walk away with a warning.

I don't like that the NFL has to be mixed up in these things, but obviously they do. I know this much- there is going to be an arbitrariness to the process we should feel uncomfortable with no matter how the policy ends up being enforced. We can't even seem to get these balances right in our legal system. How is the NFL supposed to make it work? Rice is interesting because its on video. What about the he-said/she-said cases? There is just no way this part of the business comes out looking even ok in the long run.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Putting on my TimHat:

What if, instead of his fiancé, it was some fantasy football geek - 120 pounds of geekness - and he came up to Rice and was giving Rice #### for how he played, and that Rice cost him a FF championship, yadda, yadda, yadda...and Rice snapped, and just cold cocked him in the elevator.

Do we have the same level of outrage?

Genuine question - how much of this outrage is because of the violence, and how much is because it was violence against a woman?

This is pretty obvious.

I agree that it does matter, I disagree that it should matter. Bullying, is bullying, whether the victim is male or female. We should not accept violence in any place - but we seemingly do. If this was a guy getting hit, albeit, one who was just as defenseless, this would be much ado about nothing.

The problem is not that we, as a society, decry violence against women, its that we, as a society, do not do more to curb all violent acts. The irony here, of course, is that Rice plays in a league that is both known for violence, and until very recently, really marketed the violent aspect of the game as something to be lauded - big hits, etc. We are taught that these are "men's men" who can hit with impunity. Toughness is measured by how well you can dish out and take violent acts - and then wonder why these "men" cannot always conform to society outside the framework of their livelihood.

 

[mbuehner]

Most of you are hating on Rice right now and I agree that he deserves it. His actions afterwards were just as despicable. He just drags her out of the elevator like a rag doll?

Now, what was he supposed to do in this situation? Isn't the woman here just as guilty for hitting him first? Are we as males expected to sit there and take the abuse and not react at all? Are there no consequences for the woman here?

By that logic he could have snapped her neck. What's he supposed to do? Walk away is one good answer.

 

[mquinnjr]

Most of you are hating on Rice right now and I agree that he deserves it. His actions afterwards were just as despicable. He just drags her out of the elevator like a rag doll?

Now, what was he supposed to do in this situation? Isn't the woman here just as guilty for hitting him first? Are we as males expected to sit there and take the abuse and not react at all? Are there no consequences for the woman here?

The woman does not have the strength of an NFL running back. The man should defend himself, and that's it.

You don't hit women. Well, decent human beings don't hit women.