Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)

[AAABatteries]

FWIW, I feel like I am better than 99% of you.

I'm a 1%'er #####.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

This would never have happened to Stern - he would have personally murdered all the casino employees that had seen the video and there would have been a severed horses head in the D.A.'s bed.

And being David Stern, he would have most of the casino games rigged

 

[Fennis]

Looks like they're gonna talk about the NFL mishandling of the situation on tonight's TMZ.

Nothing on the segment indicating that the NFL saw the video before today (other than it seems far-fetched that they didn't).

[SIZE=10.5pt]Harvin Levin, of TMZ, said TMZ is releasing the story tomorrow morning.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]According to this story http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tmz-alleging-nfl-knew-ray-011924683.htmlon Yahoo, TMZ is alleging the NFL went out of their way not to view the video. Bad, but not in the same ballpark as viewing the video and saying they didn't. [/SIZE]

 

[Fennis]

FWIW, I feel like I am better than 99% of you.

I'm a 1%'er #####.

I agree with 1/2 of that

 

[T Bell]

Looks like they're gonna talk about the NFL mishandling of the situation on tonight's TMZ.

Nothing on the segment indicating that the NFL saw the video before today (other than it seems far-fetched that they didn't).

[SIZE=10.5pt]Harvin Levin, of TMZ, said TMZ is releasing the story tomorrow morning.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]According to this story http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tmz-alleging-nfl-knew-ray-011924683.htmlon Yahoo, TMZ is alleging the NFL went out of their way not to view the video. Bad, but not in the same ballpark as viewing the video and saying they didn't. [/SIZE]

Willful blindness isn't blindness at all. It's just as bad and should be treated as such.

 

[AAABatteries]

FWIW, I feel like I am better than 99% of you.

I'm a 1%'er #####.

I agree with 1/2 of that

I realized my lack of a comma after I hit submit you grammar Nazi!

 

[Zow]

Here's the link to the transcript from the press conference. In my opinion, the choice of his language is odd given what we now know transpired.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80295100/

Yes, then turning it over to her to speak, jokingly, while knowing her first line would be about her deep regret for the role she played, indicated he was fine with perpetuating the notion that she also shared blame. He did nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion and allowed others to continue to perpetuate it.

Does this surprise you? People try to mitigate their own fault all the time. It's a defense mechanism. It also, IMO, expresses its own sense of guilt.

Don't really hold his imperfect apology against Rice.

 

[McGarnicle]

Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet Follow

Why weren’t the #Ravens able to see the video before today? “I have no answer for that,” coach John Harbaugh said

7:37 PM - 8 Sep 2014

The Ravens and the NFL have no answer for that. So it's up to media to try to dig out the truth.

That's a parsing words answer. If you don't know, you say "I don't know." That sounds like someone who knows something he wishes he didn't and doesn't want to (get caught in a) lie about it. It's just a fancy way of saying "no comment", but in a way that might sound to some like "I don't know."

Very interesting body language as he says that too. Struck me as a lie as soon as he said it.

 

[AAABatteries]

Wow - just watched Olberman - dude was going insane. I'm not sure I've ever cared that much about anything. He said that all of us are accomplices!

 

[Mr. Retukes]

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

"I have no answer for that."

 

[McGarnicle]

Here's the link to the transcript from the press conference. In my opinion, the choice of his language is odd given what we now know transpired.http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80295100/

Yes, then turning it over to her to speak, jokingly, while knowing her first line would be about her deep regret for the role she played, indicated he was fine with perpetuating the notion that she also shared blame. He did nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion and allowed others to continue to perpetuate it.

Does this surprise you? People try to mitigate their own fault all the time. It's a defense mechanism. It also, IMO, expresses it's own sense of guilt. Don't really hold his imperfect apology against Rice.

Could it be that they prepped him to look clumsy and unprepared so he wouldn't appear coached? Brilliant!

 

[krista4]

Here's the link to the transcript from the press conference. In my opinion, the choice of his language is odd given what we now know transpired.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80295100/

Yes, then turning it over to her to speak, jokingly, while knowing her first line would be about her deep regret for the role she played, indicated he was fine with perpetuating the notion that she also shared blame. He did nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion and allowed others to continue to perpetuate it.

Does this surprise you? People try to mitigate their own fault all the time. It's a defense mechanism. It also, IMO, expresses its own sense of guilt.

Don't really hold his imperfect apology against Rice.

OK, so if a person expresses his guilt, then we can agree that is evidence of his sense of guilt, yes? And if he doesn't, then that also expresses "its" own sense of guilt? All right, got it.

By the way, an imperfect apology is quite different from what I pointed out, which was allowing a continued perpetuation of the notion that she was at fault, from the Ravens' tweet to the reporting that the video that we hadn't yet seen showed her attacking him, etc.

 

[timschochet]

We don't know these people, but for some reason it's really important to have a take, to say this is how it is, he's garbage, let's toss him aside. Humans don't deal with uncertainty and nuance very well. God knows an online forum is the worst place to explore things from a deeper perspective. You're either good or bad, smart or stupid, progressive or a bigot. Clearly I'm still learning about this situation and trying to make sense of it, and (gasp!) I'm not ready to either damn him to hell or applaud him for changing. I'm open to both outcomes.

Plenty of thoughtful nuanced takes in this thread. No need to build yourself up by portraying everyone else as emotional reactionaries.

Good God if there is one thing I don't do is try to "build myself up" as superior to anyone. In fact there are plenty of threads I abstain from when it's clear I can't hold a candle to the intelligent discussion taking place. They say if you want to be a better tennis player, play with someone slightly better. That's why I love this place, I'm learning things all the time.If I come off as preachy or better than anyone, I'm sorry and I'll try to not do that. Feel free to put me on ignore too.

Why would I want to put you on ignore? I enjoy your posts and responding to them.

Because I feel like some people here do try to put forth their values and opinions as superior to all others, and never budge from a position, and I hate it.

I don't think you're one of those people. I would hope you don't think I am either.

Not at all. Starts with T and rhymes with im.

So now I never budge from a position? That's interesting, since, I routinely get criticized for changing my mind in this forum.

 

[McGarnicle]

Here's the link to the transcript from the press conference. In my opinion, the choice of his language is odd given what we now know transpired.http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80295100/

Yes, then turning it over to her to speak, jokingly, while knowing her first line would be about her deep regret for the role she played, indicated he was fine with perpetuating the notion that she also shared blame. He did nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion and allowed others to continue to perpetuate it.

Does this surprise you? People try to mitigate their own fault all the time. It's a defense mechanism. It also, IMO, expresses its own sense of guilt. Don't really hold his imperfect apology against Rice.

OK, so if a person expresses his guilt, then we can agree that is evidence of his sense of guilt, yes? And if he doesn't, then that also expresses "its" own sense of guilt? All right, got it.

By the way, an imperfect apology is quite different from what I pointed out, which was allowing a continued perpetuation of the notion that she was at fault, from the Ravens' tweet to the reporting that the video that we hadn't yet seen showed her attacking him, etc.

I think you're expecting an awful lot of PR savvy out of Rice here. The press conference showed he was completely out of his depth trying to speak eloquently on the matter. I'm sure he was extremely grateful that the Ravens made such a public show of support at a time when he was getting crucified in the media, and he was happy to let them control the narrative from then on. He was most likely advised to keep his mouth shut and in no position to argue since he was lucky to still be employed after all.And of course he hoped the firestorm would end and he would go back to making millions playing football. I don't have a great deal of respect for the media and I don't feel he owed me an explanation, so I have no issue with him handling it this way...IF he was also in treatment and genuinely taking accountability in a private setting, a shrink's office with his wife by his side.

 

[McGarnicle]

We don't know these people, but for some reason it's really important to have a take, to say this is how it is, he's garbage, let's toss him aside. Humans don't deal with uncertainty and nuance very well. God knows an online forum is the worst place to explore things from a deeper perspective. You're either good or bad, smart or stupid, progressive or a bigot. Clearly I'm still learning about this situation and trying to make sense of it, and (gasp!) I'm not ready to either damn him to hell or applaud him for changing. I'm open to both outcomes.

Plenty of thoughtful nuanced takes in this thread. No need to build yourself up by portraying everyone else as emotional reactionaries.

Good God if there is one thing I don't do is try to "build myself up" as superior to anyone. In fact there are plenty of threads I abstain from when it's clear I can't hold a candle to the intelligent discussion taking place. They say if you want to be a better tennis player, play with someone slightly better. That's why I love this place, I'm learning things all the time.If I come off as preachy or better than anyone, I'm sorry and I'll try to not do that. Feel free to put me on ignore too.

Why would I want to put you on ignore? I enjoy your posts and responding to them.

Because I feel like some people here do try to put forth their values and opinions as superior to all others, and never budge from a position, and I hate it.

I don't think you're one of those people. I would hope you don't think I am either.

Not at all. Starts with T and rhymes with im.

So now I never budge from a position? That's interesting, since, I routinely get criticized for changing my mind in this forum.

I knew it was coming.

 

[rockaction]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

 

[timschochet]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

 

[Aerial Assault]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

 

[rockaction]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

 

[McGarnicle]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

I'm halfway there with you, but I think if it's my wife, my instinct is to put my hands out to push her away, not throw my best left hook into her jaw.

 

[pats3in4]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

I'm halfway there with you, but I think if it's my wife, my instinct is to put my hands out to push her away, not throw my best left hook into her jaw.

I think the problem is that he was already in a heightened aggressive emotional state when he spit at her. Instead of a defensive state (like putting hands out to keep her at bay), he was already in an attack mode mindset.

If she came at him out of nowhere, maybe he puts his hands up like you likely would (as would most of us).

I wonder if he looks at her every day and asks himself, "Why the eff did I do that to her?"

 

[Aerial Assault]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

I'm halfway there with you, but I think if it's my wife, my instinct is to put my hands out to push her away, not throw my best left hook into her jaw.

Yes. You play in the National Football League and are regularly charged, grabbed, dragged down, and crashed into by thugs like (say) Bernard Pollard.* And your fiancee or wife (not sure if they were married yet at the time) charges you and your first instinct is to lay her out?

*First thug whose name came to mind since Rice's own former team's defense eliminated so many notables for purposes of my example.

 

[timschochet]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

I wasn't judging you. I was judging the people on Amtrak, whom you chose to describe. If they're blaming the woman for what took place on that video, then I think that's pretty sad.

 

[McGarnicle]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

I wasn't judging you. I was judging the people on Amtrak, whom you chose to describe. If they're blaming the woman for what took place on that video, then I think that's pretty sad.

Sounds like a situation where the idiots in the group are the first ones to crap out an opinion, and the more thoughtful folks don't really feel like getting into a debate over it.

 

[Zow]

Here's the link to the transcript from the press conference. In my opinion, the choice of his language is odd given what we now know transpired.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80295100/

Yes, then turning it over to her to speak, jokingly, while knowing her first line would be about her deep regret for the role she played, indicated he was fine with perpetuating the notion that she also shared blame. He did nothing to disabuse anyone of that notion and allowed others to continue to perpetuate it.

Does this surprise you? People try to mitigate their own fault all the time. It's a defense mechanism. It also, IMO, expresses its own sense of guilt.

Don't really hold his imperfect apology against Rice.

OK, so if a person expresses his guilt, then we can agree that is evidence of his sense of guilt, yes? And if he doesn't, then that also expresses "its" own sense of guilt? All right, got it.

By the way, an imperfect apology is quite different from what I pointed out, which was allowing a continued perpetuation of the notion that she was at fault, from the Ravens' tweet to the reporting that the video that we hadn't yet seen showed her attacking him, etc.

I guess I'm just jaded by seeing much worse expressions of guilt.

But to your second point, do you honestly think such a thought entered Ray Rice's head or was his intention If so, you're giving this guy a ton of credit. He's a sub-30 year old professional football player.

 

[T Bell]

Wow - just watched Olberman - dude was going insane. I'm not sure I've ever cared that much about anything. He said that all of us are accomplices!

Olbermann's an ###. He's just happy he has something to lecture everyone about. He lives for this stuff, but not for the noble reasons he pretends to.

 

[Fariq]

But it's a legitimate question. I don't need to start a new thread to discuss it; we can do that here, if anyone wants to. Why are we so much more forgiving of athletes who abuse women than we are of ordinary people who do the same? What is wrong with us that we tolerate this? (And I use "we" purposefully- I root for two teams, the Steelers and the Lakers, that both feature star athletes that have been accused of rape and may very well be guilty- or not.) How should we change this? Or should we change it?

Steelers and lakers? Insecure, aren't you? No man is going to think you are cool because you root for two teams that won a lot in the past 40 years. No women will throw themselves on you.

 

[McGarnicle]

But it's a legitimate question. I don't need to start a new thread to discuss it; we can do that here, if anyone wants to. Why are we so much more forgiving of athletes who abuse women than we are of ordinary people who do the same? What is wrong with us that we tolerate this? (And I use "we" purposefully- I root for two teams, the Steelers and the Lakers, that both feature star athletes that have been accused of rape and may very well be guilty- or not.) How should we change this? Or should we change it?

Actually I think with domestic violence, ordinary people are more likely to get a pass. Wife doesn't press charges out of fear, husband is let out of jail to repeat the cycle. It's difficult to prosecute when the wife won't cooperate. Nowadays with all the outrage swirling around this issue, every incident with a pro athlete is going to be scrutinized and prosecutors will be pressured to go after it hard. Rape is different. I believe Big Ben paid good money to make those cases go away. A wife already gets half.

 

[Widbil83]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm sayingl.

Just another victim of the FBG/ESPN emotion driven media. In a week everyone will be agreeing with you.

 

[Sammy3469]

So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them anything in a pending investigation, and that the NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.

Not much of a smoking gun there in my opinion, if nothing else comes out than I say Goodell is able to ride this out.

 

[Sammy3469]

So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.

Not much of a smoking gun there in my opinion, if nothing else comes out than I say Goodell is able to ride this out.

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the

room.

Seems like willful blindness there.

Not much of a smoking gun there in my opinion, if nothing else comes out than I say Goodell is able to ride this out.

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

Pretty sure Mike and Mike don't get to decide if Goodell keeps his job. To be clear, I'm not defending Goodell but just looking at the situation and I don't think he goes unless proof comes out he saw the video previously. There will be a lot of noise the next couple of days and then everyone will watch the games come Sunday. Short of some public boycott, why would the owners take action to remove him? Seems to me that Goodell has done enough to line the pockets of owners to make it through this with his job. That doesn't make it right and my guess is some heads in the NFL offices will roll but I just don't see it being Goodell.

 

[Premier]

Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.

 

[fatness]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

Just like Harbaugh declined to answer.

I guess the NFL thought they had this all contained. They knew the the hotel had video of what happened in the elevator, and that the hotel was going out of business. They knew prosecutors had a copy, they knew Rice's lawyer had a copy. Prosecutors didn't want to prosecute, Rice didn't want to prosecute and went with the diversionary program, Rice's fiance (now wife) did her best to convince the league to go easy, the Ravens did the same. None of them had any reason to release the video. And the NFL got overconfident and walked away after a 2-game slap for something they chose not to see.

Good job containing it, NFL.

I don't think it'll happen but I'd love to see Goodell fired for this.

 

[Franknbeans]

Goodell definitely needs to be humbled in all of this

 

[Henry Ford]

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Is that your attitude as well, rockaction? Because it really sucks.

Nah. He spit on her and slapped her. I'm not surprised she charged him. He was obviously in for a dollar.

I've actually woke up to women kicking me with boots before, so domestic abuse is an MRA issue with me. I've been slapped, hit, and kicked by women, and have never instigated nor deserved it. So your pre-judgment sucks.

For what it's worth, I was on the road all day on Amtrak, and nobody beats most of you all for righteous sanctimony. A lot of people watching the video were just sort of like "####. Don't charge a guy in an elevator or your ### is going to get knocked out." Or maybe that was just my experience without the media hordes cranked to eleventy.

Oof, way to slander Amtrak riders as goofy rubes. Maybe it was just you.

Would be a great way to get them off the government teat, but no, most people were commenting on it at the bar and on the train ride.

Internet feminism and sanctimony is a lot different than real life.

And consider me post-post-modern, and not dumb enough to think that troglodyte actions deserve defense. He spit on her and slapped her before she did anything. Screw him. But not because he laid her out when she charged him. That's when it is up for grabs. And too bad for white knighting -- any person charges another, there's a defense mechanism that is not only ingrained but fair.

I'm halfway there with you, but I think if it's my wife, my instinct is to put my hands out to push her away, not throw my best left hook into her jaw.

I think the problem is that he was already in a heightened aggressive emotional state when he spit at her. Instead of a defensive state (like putting hands out to keep her at bay), he was already in an attack mode mindset.

If she came at him out of nowhere, maybe he puts his hands up like you likely would (as would most of us).

I wonder if he looks at her every day and asks himself, "Why the eff did I do that to her?"

Based on my experience with domestic abusers, there's a decent chance he looks at her every day and asks himself "Why did I let that ##### cost me my career?"

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

Goodell isn't going anywhere. He's teflon.

 

[roadkill1292]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

Just like Harbaugh declined to answer.

I guess the NFL thought they had this all contained. They knew the the hotel had video of what happened in the elevator, and that the hotel was going out of business. They knew prosecutors had a copy, they knew Rice's lawyer had a copy. Prosecutors didn't want to prosecute, Rice didn't want to prosecute and went with the diversionary program, Rice's fiance (now wife) did her best to convince the league to go easy, the Ravens did the same. None of them had any reason to release the video. And the NFL got overconfident and walked away after a 2-game slap for something they chose not to see.

Good job containing it, NFL.

I don't think it'll happen but I'd love to see Goodell fired for this.

It would indeed by enjoyable but let's remember that Goodell is but a tool of the real evil lurking among us.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

Just like Harbaugh declined to answer.

I guess the NFL thought they had this all contained. They knew the the hotel had video of what happened in the elevator, and that the hotel was going out of business. They knew prosecutors had a copy, they knew Rice's lawyer had a copy. Prosecutors didn't want to prosecute, Rice didn't want to prosecute and went with the diversionary program, Rice's fiance (now wife) did her best to convince the league to go easy, the Ravens did the same. None of them had any reason to release the video. And the NFL got overconfident and walked away after a 2-game slap for something they chose not to see.

Good job containing it, NFL.

I don't think it'll happen but I'd love to see Goodell fired for this.

It would indeed by enjoyable but let's remember that Goodell is but a tool of the real evil lurking among us.

The NCAA?

 

[The Commish]

Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.

Sadly, the bold is true. It's beyond naive to think he didn't know about the video. That he went out of his way not to see it is even worse than if he had seen it and tried to hide it IMO. It's truly pathetic that TMZ, of all sources, is being the moral compass here. Absolutely brutal.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.

Sadly, the bold is true. It's beyond naive to think he didn't know about the video. That he went out of his way not to see it is even worse than if he had seen it and tried to hide it IMO. It's truly pathetic that TMZ, of all sources, is being the moral compass here. Absolutely brutal.

But Goodell's job isn't to provide the "moral compass" for anything. It is to "protect the shield". Maybe ten years ago "looking the other way" would have been the best approach to protect the image of the NFL. God knows it was the approach 60 years ago. But in 2014? How the hell can the NFL have allowed itself to be so blindsided? How could absolutely the best organization at dictating the narrative find itself in such a defensive position? How can the celebration of "Back to Football" be shoved off of the front page for this? How can Thursday night's game which just happens to be the day before Defender's Day which precedes the celebration of the 200th anniversary of the national anthem now be so tainted? Goodell, despite his holier than thou persona's failure isn't with his brushing aside such an immoral act, but for not controlling the narrative and allowing that act to tarnish the league.

Now please don't confuse this with a defense of any moral failings. Recognizing the cynical world for what it is is not a defense of it. Besides the NFL is a organization who has one job - to make money for its owners. Isn't that what we are told all the time?

 

[Doug B]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

I don't believe the NFL's account at all. I believe Goodell himself saw the full video very early on, and has since willfully participated in a cover-up.

 

[The Commish]

Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.

Sadly, the bold is true. It's beyond naive to think he didn't know about the video. That he went out of his way not to see it is even worse than if he had seen it and tried to hide it IMO. It's truly pathetic that TMZ, of all sources, is being the moral compass here. Absolutely brutal.

But Goodell's job isn't to provide the "moral compass" for anything. It is to "protect the shield". Maybe ten years ago "looking the other way" would have been the best approach to protect the image of the NFL. God knows it was the approach 60 years ago. But in 2014? How the hell can the NFL have allowed itself to be so blindsided? How could absolutely the best organization at dictating the narrative find itself in such a defensive position? How can the celebration of "Back to Football" be shoved off of the front page for this? How can Thursday night's game which just happens to be the day before Defender's Day which precedes the celebration of the 200th anniversary of the national anthem now be so tainted? Goodell, despite his holier than thou persona's failure isn't with his brushing aside such an immoral act, but for not controlling the narrative and allowing that act to tarnish the league.

Now please don't confuse this with a defense of any moral failings. Recognizing the cynical world for what it is is not a defense of it. Besides the NFL is a organization who has one job - to make money for its owners. Isn't that what we are told all the time?

I'm not saying his job was to be the moral compass. We can argue his "job" as a man until the cows come home. That wasn't my point. Even if his job is to "protect the shield", did his actions/decisions do that? Is the "shield" in a better position right now than it would have been had he addressed it up front? I'd like to understand the argument that his decisions in this whole thing have been the best path he could have taken to "protect the shield".

And FWIW....I don't think the blame is squarely on his shoulders. There are a lot of people who should not have a job IMO. Starting with the DA and the investigators....they have just as much a hand in this as anyone else. They should all be ashamed.

 

[Christo]

FWIW, I feel like I am better than 99% of you.

<-------------1%er

 

[bigbottom]

Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.

Sadly, the bold is true. It's beyond naive to think he didn't know about the video. That he went out of his way not to see it is even worse than if he had seen it and tried to hide it IMO. It's truly pathetic that TMZ, of all sources, is being the moral compass here. Absolutely brutal.

But Goodell's job isn't to provide the "moral compass" for anything. It is to "protect the shield". Maybe ten years ago "looking the other way" would have been the best approach to protect the image of the NFL. God knows it was the approach 60 years ago. But in 2014? How the hell can the NFL have allowed itself to be so blindsided? How could absolutely the best organization at dictating the narrative find itself in such a defensive position? How can the celebration of "Back to Football" be shoved off of the front page for this? How can Thursday night's game which just happens to be the day before Defender's Day which precedes the celebration of the 200th anniversary of the national anthem now be so tainted? Goodell, despite his holier than thou persona's failure isn't with his brushing aside such an immoral act, but for not controlling the narrative and allowing that act to tarnish the league.Now please don't confuse this with a defense of any moral failings. Recognizing the cynical world for what it is is not a defense of it. Besides the NFL is a organization who has one job - to make money for its owners. Isn't that what we are told all the time?

I'm not saying his job was to be the moral compass. We can argue his "job" as a man until the cows come home. That wasn't my point. Even if his job is to "protect the shield", did his actions/decisions do that? Is the "shield" in a better position right now than it would have been had he addressed it up front? I'd like to understand the argument that his decisions in this whole thing have been the best path he could have taken to "protect the shield".

I think you guys are saying the same thing.

 

[Sammy3469]

Goodell isn't getting fired. That's a bit much to expect.

Really the major upside here is the NFL and other scumbag organizations and leagues are finding out they just can't hide their dirty laundry anymore. They have to be more open and accountable for these actions they are taking, because there are people who don't need their money and they are going to bring all this stuff to the surface.

Never thought I would say this, but GB TMZ.

Well someone(s) at the NFL is getting fired over the handling of this.

In the grand scheme, the NFL owners' problem going forward is that Goodell has now lost all credibility with the media and fans. Every action he takes (since he's the de facto king) will now be questioned and scrutinized. Media (or more precisely TMZ, Deadspin, etc.) will continue to hammer him at every turn. On concussions, on PED use, on the Redskins, etc the media will be even more aggressive in searching for what the NFL knows and when they knew it (especially on the concussion issue). That's the bigger problem.

Goodell's a liability for NFL owners now. He's can no longer run interference and have the media lap it up with relative impunity (which is what happened with Ray Rice). You don't think that matters to Snyder or Richardson (I'm sure the Hardy thing was getting swept away as well) or Ross?

 

[Christo]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

I don't believe the NFL's account at all. I believe Goodell himself saw the full video very early on, and has since willfully participated in a cover-up.

Then you must also believe Goodell is an idiot.

 

[Sammy3469]

Judging by the ESPN talking heads this morning, he's done. Mike and Mike directly asked the NFLs Birch if they saw the video 2 months ago and he declined to answer. So the NFL knew it was out there. Just disgusting.

I don't believe the NFL's account at all. I believe Goodell himself saw the full video very early on, and has since willfully participated in a cover-up.

Then you must also believe Goodell is an idiot.

Well he either didn't see it or didn't want to see it. Either way he's an idiot.

 

[Zow]

So TMZ is saying the police and Rice's attorneys both had the tape, that the NFL asked the police for all info knowing they wouldn't give them

anything in a pending investigation, and that the

NFL then never bothered asked the casino or Rice's attorney for the tape.

All the NFL depended on was Rice's testimony

and that of Rice's now wife with Rice in the room.

Seems like willful blindness there.

You expect rice to give the tape to the nfl if it asked for it?