msudaisy26
Footballguy
You might be right about McCarthy, but not for this reason. Jones can't pass block and Rodgers is already playing on one leg. It is Jones fault he isn't on the field more.
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RB Aaron Jones, MIN (3 Viewers)
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
The game script determined that. The Packers won't always be down 3 plus scores. He will continue to share time because he is a poor pass blocker.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It makes a ton of sense. Kareem Hunt was pulled out a ton last year and this year because he can't pass block.
You can’t say he was pulled for pass blocking when the RB’s did as close to zero pass blocking as you can get. That’s illogical.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It was well known last year and I am saying that trend will continue and why Jones won't be the primary back on a consistent basis despite being the most talented back on the team.
Thatf is why Williams will come in even if he isn't asked to pass block. Rodgers might change the protection or the play and Jones can't be trusted to protect Rodgers who is already playing hurt.
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tkrull
Footballguy
Diversity?
I'm of the opinion that you make it easier for the defense if you have RBs with prescribed roles.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
msudaisy26
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The Packers coaching staff has claimed this for going on 2 years now.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Uh, oh feathers ruffled. If it’s last week, this year or last year it makes your narrative untrue. Time to wake up rip van winkle.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
msudaisy26
Footballguy
No, if it is for one week. I am not buying it. If it was for last year then then the Packers coaching staff are severely misusing him and should be held accountable.
Thanks for being a ######## though.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
@msudaisy26 it’s for the year, so calm down guy. Also delete your post I just got a vacation for that. I won’t report you like some other clowns around here.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am good. Quit being an ###. You act like I am on the coaching staff. It isn't my narrative and it doesn't matter what you, I or PFF say.
The Packers coaches won't put him on the field, so he can't score points for us in fantasy and they have claimed it is due to pass blocking.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Ok, well I won’t be a coward then. I reported you because I’m not taking a vacation for a week and then be subjecated to the same treatment around here on my end. You can ignore me and we’ll move on.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
okay, guy. Feel free to read all my posts next time and nice back track.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I won't report you, despite you acting like a jerk. Hope you feel better.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Maybe next time go half tilt and not full tilt.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The Claymaker
Footballguy
I just tend to think MM is a moron, Rodgers won him a SB and he’s still coaching the Pack because of it.
Obviously none of us really know the truth behind the RB split, but regardless of his reasoning to me and seems like most viewers it makes no sense.
According to that PFF grade, he’s by far the best pass blocker, can catch and the most explosive runner on the team. I know I’m confused by the usage. Rodgers even said it himself, we gotta get him more touches. That’s good enough for me.
Obviously none of us really know the truth behind the RB split, but regardless of his reasoning to me and seems like most viewers it makes no sense.
According to that PFF grade, he’s by far the best pass blocker, can catch and the most explosive runner on the team. I know I’m confused by the usage. Rodgers even said it himself, we gotta get him more touches. That’s good enough for me.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Mark Football
Footballguy
It looks like we're going to have to wait till next year with this this guy when MM is gone. Then we will reap the benefits. And so will GB.
sho nuff
Footballguy
PFF grade is for this year...and he has played 2 games...and blocked how many times?The Claymaker said:
I think he is more explosive...but look at last game alone...
Was Williams an effective runner?
Jones was too...
Ty's role seems to be when they go hurry up.
I also wonder what people count as staying in to block...actually staying? Sure, maybe when a team isn't sending extra, the back leaks out, is that counted in the stat? Because of Montgomery is in there to be able to block, and there is noone to block and he leaks out as a receiver, he still was there for the situation, but it didn't happen. That would still mean Jones wouldn't see the field in that situation right now.
In the end, RB usage wasn't the issue in that game. It sucks for fantasy, but for real NFL, the running game was pretty effective...and usage seems to be keeping 3 guys involved and healthy.
This isn't to say MM is a great coach...I don't think he is as bad as others...but has his flaws.
All this misguided focus on pass protection.
Mike McCarthy is the coach. He likes using RBBC. That was true long before Jones and Williams arrived. Heck FF players have been overdrafting and over-bidding on Packer RBs for several years now.
Here are the Packers' last 10 top-scoring RBs:
2008 Ryan Grant 161.9 (RB22)
2009 Ryan Grant 211.0 (RB8)
2010 Brandon Jackson 128.5 (RB29)
2011 Ryan Grant 100.7 (RB36)
2012 Alex Green 58.9 (RB55)
2013 Eddie Lacy 209.5 (RB7)
2014 Eddie Lacy 234.6 (RB6)
2015 James Starks 129.3 (RB24)
2016 Ty Montgomery 98.5 (RB38)
2017 Jamaal Williams 117.8 (RB28)
Two RB1-level seasons from Eddie Lacy and one from Ryan Grant, and the rest not even RB2s.
That's the story here, not pass pro.
Mike McCarthy is the coach. He likes using RBBC. That was true long before Jones and Williams arrived. Heck FF players have been overdrafting and over-bidding on Packer RBs for several years now.
Here are the Packers' last 10 top-scoring RBs:
2008 Ryan Grant 161.9 (RB22)
2009 Ryan Grant 211.0 (RB8)
2010 Brandon Jackson 128.5 (RB29)
2011 Ryan Grant 100.7 (RB36)
2012 Alex Green 58.9 (RB55)
2013 Eddie Lacy 209.5 (RB7)
2014 Eddie Lacy 234.6 (RB6)
2015 James Starks 129.3 (RB24)
2016 Ty Montgomery 98.5 (RB38)
2017 Jamaal Williams 117.8 (RB28)
Two RB1-level seasons from Eddie Lacy and one from Ryan Grant, and the rest not even RB2s.
That's the story here, not pass pro.
pinequick
Footballguy
The Claymaker
Footballguy
I agree and disagree, this is definitely good info, but it’s only part of the info. The Packers have not had many good RB’s in all those years. Lacy could have been if he didn’t put the dinner table first. Look at the names on that list, it’s a joke. Jones has talent and he’s got some pop when he runs. The bottom line is that you are probably right, this may always be the coaches fault until he is replaced, but there is talent at the position now, which is new for the Packers.
pinequick
Footballguy
I agree with you, but (at least from his quotes) it seems that Mike McCarthy may disagree with you... which may spell trouble for Jones. (Full disclosure: this comes from a frustrated Jones owner. Seems like every time I see him play, I see explosion and leg drive. Have no idea why they don't try to ride him more).
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
This is good info, but misleading.
2008 was a split
2009 Grant was the lead guy and produced like it
2010 - Grant got hurt in the first game and Jackson stunk
2011 - Grant was coming back from injury and Starks had his unbelievable run during the playoffs thus forcing a split and neither guy was good
2012 - Green was their 4th string running back, this wasn't a committee. Starks, Grant and Dujaun Harris all got hurt that year
2013 - Lacy ruled
2014 - Lacy again
2015 - Lacy got fat and was banged up all year.
2016 - TY was a receiver and took over at running back because everyone else got hurt
2017 - Montgomery started the year got hurt, Jones took over and got hurt, then Williams finished the year.
Green Bay has tried to go with a workhorse for the most part, but has been very unlucky with injuries.
So in 10 seasons they have had 3 rb1's and 2 rb 2's and a lot of injuries.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Just going off memory, last year the Packers backs all produced at rb1 levels while healthy. Montgomery had a hot start, Jones had a couple of good games before he got hurt and WIlliams was killing it until he got hurt towards the end of the year.
Montgomery also had a good run at the end of 2017
Montgomery also had a good run at the end of 2017
The Claymaker
Footballguy
It’s almost like MM is going out of his way to prove Jones isn’t the answer. I mean he gets flack from all angles on why he doesn’t use him maybe he’s just decided that he’s splitting carries regardless and that’s that, he’s the coach and he will decide who touches the ball. I mean Rodgers said it, who see what’s going on, on the field better than a QB?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Umm, okay. I was replying to the fact that you said McCarthy likes to use a committee, but he doesn't. He only uses it when he has to.
So there is something else going on here.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Jones has been very good albeit it in limited duty, so far this season, averaging 6.1 ypc. McCarthy's answer is plausible here, basically saying we've been behind in games and havent been able to run the ball the way we'd like to:
https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Mike-McCarthy-explains-use-of-Aaron-Jones--123133676/
McCarthy sounds a little ticked off about the reporter asking about Aaron Jones' ( lack of) usage, and for good reason.
you just get the feeling that the breakout game is coming, and a matchup vs. SF is just the thing to get this offense dialed in.
https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Mike-McCarthy-explains-use-of-Aaron-Jones--123133676/
McCarthy sounds a little ticked off about the reporter asking about Aaron Jones' ( lack of) usage, and for good reason.
you just get the feeling that the breakout game is coming, and a matchup vs. SF is just the thing to get this offense dialed in.
yes. I'd be shocked if this isn't the week he scores a long TD and has around 75-100 total yards.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
So the Packers have dealt with RB injuries in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016, and 2017. Seems like a pretty good reason for the coach to go with a RBBC in 2018.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
And while the common narrative I see everywhere is that Jamaal Williams is elite at Pass Blocking (which I believe has been exaggerated), if this is truly the thinking by McCarthy then he deserves to be fired. If your start QB is injured and you want to protect him, you don't put a pass blocking RB in the game. First off, it's going to signal that you're throwing and tip your hand (and this RBBC he has signifies exactly that - there's a Twitter breakdown by a fan that could predict pre-snap every single time the Packers ran out of shotgun just by how close the RB lined up next to Rodgers - as each RB is used one way and allows the defense to know what's coming), but the goal here should be to expose Rodgers the least. The way you're going to do that is to rely on the running game to move the ball, and not put Rodgers in situations where he needs to move around, scramble, or take hits. Obviously when you're down by several scores late in the game you're limited with what you can do. But why would you abandon the run game in the middle of the 1Q when one of your RBs is averaging 6 YPC? If the Lions keep putting points on the board, then keep them off the field with your run game. It just seems so elementary, although I'm not surprised that McCarthy couldn't figure it out. He's been living off Aaron Rodgers for years. In 2016 the GB offense clearly was only clicking when Ty Montgomery was in there but he refused to utilize him to the degree that he should have. We're seeing a repeat of that in 2018 with Aaron Jones. The bright side is that we may see the team finally come around on Jones, especially if the Losses keep adding up or the pressure surrounding McCarthy continues to grow. It reminds me a lot of Alex Collins in Baltimore last year, where we saw his productiveness but the team refused to feature him for several weeks, teasing Fantasy owners to the point that some (including me) dropped him, thinking that the team was never going to properly use him.
He doesn't based upon what, exactly? Your narrative that he would use a feature back if only his best back was healthy is being disproved this season.
The evidence in front of us points to McCarthy preferring RBBC. We can try and dissect the reason(s) why, but in the end it doesn't really matter why.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
We've discussed this significantly in previous pages of this thread. I posted a link to an article that mentioned, from one of the coaches, that GB doesn't like to go RBBC.
So this is based on what we've heard from the horses mouth
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Just because they aren't using a lone RB, doesn't mean that they prefer a RBBC. That's quite a bit of assumption.davearm said:
Interseptopus
Footballguy
For those keeping score, through 3 games he is averaging 62.6 all purpose yards per game. And just getting warmed up!
worrierking
Footballguy
I own both Jones and Williams, so I am not really rooting for either, but hoping the RBBC ends and one takes over. I think Jones has more talent, and likely is the better bet to win the larger share, but I am wondering about something maybe the Green Bay fans can help me with. Is Jones kind of a knucklehead? I know he had the pot suspension--but is there any other discipline problem? Is the timeshare insurance against another drug suspension or is MM making him earn playing time by learning stuff and not being a goof? I know Williams is considered a good character guy; heck, he survived five years at BYU while not being Mormon. Is this MM rewarding a player who "does things the right way" at the expensive of a guy who still has a lot of "maturing" to do?
