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RB Alex Collins, SEA (1 Viewer)

32 Counter Pass said:
Sorry, you are doing two things here to try and discredit a POV you don't agree with. First you are bring up a player and an instance that really isn't comparable to Collins situation, so please stop. Second you are misrepresenting how Collins got his yardage total. He had 2 catches for 30 yards. I believe that was an outlier to his game. In sum, Collins got 133 yds, 30 of which came from receiving, which I do not believe will be the norm. Like I stated previously, I believe last night was his ceiling. If you believe that his will a fantasy savior, I wish you good luck. Label me skeptical.
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Collins showed he was capable as a receiving option, so more receptions for him may become the norm moving forward.

Honestly I don't see what Buck Allen does better than Collins at this point. Maybe pass protection? I don't think I saw them ask Collins to block much.

Allen fumbled in this game not Collins. Otherwise that seemed like a legitimate reason for Harbaugh to not trust Collins earlier on in the year. Harbaugh said they were working on Collins ball security technique and he hasn't fumbled for several games now.

 
Collins will be valuable in game scripts like this, which at best will be half the time (Ravens at home, lead, etc).  I do think they'll struggle on the road overall as a team.  I own Collins but thought last night going in was going to be the perfect scenario.  I've love to hear any successful sell high scenarios.  I own Gurley as well and I wouldn't even consider Collins in a deal unless there were 1 or 2 studs in that package.  Collins isn't scoring TDs yet.  If that changes my opinion will.  But he does look great on the field and Allen is nowhere close to him in talent and productivity.

 
Seems like most of the more negative comments come from redraft PPR leagues. In a standard dynasty last night was a HUGE progression for his value. 

 
Judge Smails said:
Collins will be valuable in game scripts like this, which at best will be half the time (Ravens at home, lead, etc).  I do think they'll struggle on the road overall as a team.  I own Collins but thought last night going in was going to be the perfect scenario.  I've love to hear any successful sell high scenarios.  I own Gurley as well and I wouldn't even consider Collins in a deal unless there were 1 or 2 studs in that package.  Collins isn't scoring TDs yet.  If that changes my opinion will.  But he does look great on the field and Allen is nowhere close to him in talent and productivity.
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In Yahoo Leagues... https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/167245/playertrades?type=player&pid=29405

Only two 1-for-1s, DeMarco Murray and Duke Johnson...

 
mr roboto said:
Seems like most of the more negative comments come from redraft PPR leagues. In a standard dynasty last night was a HUGE progression for his value. 
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Part of the explain. The other thing is folks who admitted to only watching a few series last night or not having watched the Ravens much, yet arguing vociferously against Collins. The folks who have watched the games or gone back to watch film have a different opinion.

 
Judge Smails said:
I love the kid.  My eyes don't lie.  Just want to see him dominate goal line carries and get in the end zone.
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We'll never actually see it coming, just like how the receptions and few runs in the redzone / near the goal line were a surprise last night. 

For some reason they used a two back package near the goal line a couple of times last night, and had Allen line up as a FB and ran FB dives with him on two separate occasions. Stuffed both times. Hopefully this is the last we'll see of this cuteness. 

 
32 Counter Pass said:
For some reason you are stuck on this idea that I have some sort of "rule." You are misinterpreting my posts. I am looking at the game the situation last night as well as the past pattern of Collins usage. My conclusion is that last night is his ceiling given those data points. I am not pretending about anything. It can be equally true that he had a great game last night and that is his ceiling. Like I said previously, I am not trying to talk you out of your POV, only sharing my opinion.

Full disclosure, I own him in most of my leagues (trying to patch the holes from injuries to DJo and Cook) and it would be a big boast to my chances if I am wrong.
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Okay, my bad.  I fixated on your idea that Collins didn't do enough in a blow out game & ignored the substance behind that line.  I agree with your overall point that this might be his ceiling (except I was encouraged by his use near the GL last night; he hadn't seen any such carries prior to last night, IIRC).  If this is his ceiling, with an occasional TD, I'm OK with that.  For a WW pick-up, to have an upside of 14.3 non-ppr points, that's low-end RB1/high end RB2 production. 

I don't know if he'll keep getting that, but this ceiling is better than what it looked like a week ago.

 
hamsterdam said:
We'll never actually see it coming, just like how the receptions and few runs in the redzone / near the goal line were a surprise last night. 

For some reason they used a two back package near the goal line a couple of times last night, and had Allen line up as a FB and ran FB dives with him on two separate occasions. Stuffed both times. Hopefully this is the last we'll see of this cuteness. 
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Agreed; I started him b/c injuries & byes left me with little choice.  I was hoping for 6-8 points (which he's done before).  Didn't expect any catches or TDs (but would have loved them).  The fact that he had a few catches & a few chances at the GL was a bonus.

 
I’m gushing as much as others on Collins continuing to prove himself, but even I see the wisdom in tempering expectations. 

Get that we all want him to be clear cut #1 RB on the team and serve as an RB1 lotto hit for our squad.

Me, I’m just thrilled that a free lotto ticket hit with some patience. Turning a wire find into a flex player with upside? 100% ok with that. Thrilled, actually.

 
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Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I’m gushing as much as others on Collins continuing to prove himself, but even I see the wisdom in tempering expectations. 

Get that we all want him to be clear cut #1 RB on the team and serve as an RB1 lotto hit for our squad.

Me, I’m just thrilled that a free lotto ticket hit with some patience. Turning a wire find into a flex player with upside? 100% ok with that. Thrilled, actually.
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The upside is definitely there.  His role should only continue to grow this season. 

 
OK, gents need some input.  Been on the Collins bandwagon since week 3.  Dropped him this week for Dion Lewis  :wall: :wall: :wall:

12 team 0.5 ppr, Aaron Jones was dropped this week, FAAB budget of 31 out of 100 left....... Currently blowing $31 wad on jones, thinking of putting in a backup wad blow of 31 for collins.... ugh, what do you guys think.  Collins blowing up on prime time doesn't help either.  West and Woodhead scare me, but Collins is so DAMN good!  This would be for a superflex spot as Gurley and Martin/Kamara are holding down my RB1 and RB2 slots

 
ahartig said:
OK, gents need some input.  Been on the Collins bandwagon since week 3.  Dropped him this week for Dion Lewis  :wall: :wall: :wall:

12 team 0.5 ppr, Aaron Jones was dropped this week, FAAB budget of 31 out of 100 left....... Currently blowing $31 wad on jones, thinking of putting in a backup wad blow of 31 for collins.... ugh, what do you guys think.  Collins blowing up on prime time doesn't help either.  West and Woodhead scare me, but Collins is so DAMN good!  This would be for a superflex spot as Gurley and Martin/Kamara are holding down my RB1 and RB2 slots
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West should not scare you.  I do not want to get into this again but Woodhead should not scare you either.  Collins looks really good and has the potential to get 15 carries/week.  And, if he starts getting receptions, he is going to be a RB2 for sure.  What should scare you is the crummy Baltimore O since that is what is going to hold Collins back. 

 
Thoughts from Harbaugh post game:

(on how impressed he has been with RB Alex Collins’ performances) “He got a game ball tonight. He ran well. He made some real … That run up the left sideline at the end of the game – you probably got a better look at it than I did, because it was on the other sideline – I thought he was down, but then he was still running for 10 more yards up the sideline. [It was] a pretty athletic run. He made some really good runs. He had a couple runs where they had him in the backfield, two or three times, where he got positive yards. I thought ‘Buck’ [Javorius] Allen was very physical, very physical with the way he ran the ball. It was just a physical effort for the whole offense.”

(on if he has been impressed with RB Alex Collins’ efforts to secure the ball) “I think that’s a great observation. He really has [made the efforts]. He’s about as good as he can be at it right now, and he needs to keep doing that. He’s very secure and technique-sound with what he’s doing with the football.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Baltimore-Ravens-Post-Game-Quotes/bdc520c2-f1db-4942-8fc1-b4c48ade1990

There's also a transcript of Collins' comments from his presser that I posted earlier. Def some positives to take away from it. For example:

(on the getting the first 100-yard game of his career) “It feels great. It feels amazing. It’s been long coming. I’ve been close a few times, and you know, just the encouragement from the teammates, the other running backs, the O-line, you know, everybody just wanted to make it happen for me and really worked extra hard making it happen for me. I felt the strain out there from everybody else, felt the energy to each other. We definitely played for each other and worked hard for that.”

(on how comfortable he feels with this offense) “The sky’s definitely the limit for us, and that’s just the goal as well. Just keep working and keep trying to improve. This was the first 100-yard game, but I guarantee you I’ll go back and watch film. There’s a few plays that I’m wishing I would have [done] something different. That’s definitely the main focus – celebrating the win but moving forward quickly, and that’s just exactly how we’re going to handle it.”

 
Bayhawks said:
I'm allright at WR 1 & 2, but weak at RB2, and have been using a couple guys in an out at my flex.  My most consistent flex has been Gronk (using Brate as my TE).  My main RB2 has been Gore.  I'm not sure the difference at flex is worth what I might be giving up with Collins at RB2.
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I wouldn't give Gronk in the deal. Maybe Brate if they need a TE. 

In general, if Collins is replacing Gore, I'd do it if you don't also have to give a player you really need. Say Gore & Brate (move Gronk to TE).

Collins could be big for you. Might be worth a shot depending on you're exact situation.

 
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Got an offer today: Mixon for Collins.  The keeper value for Collins is better (assuming production were to be equal).  Think it’s a good deal for me, but couldn’t be finalized till Tuesday. Not sure if its a real offer, as this owner has a history of offering deals after TNF that can’t be finalized till the following week, then altering the offer before it can be finalized (in his favor) because “things changed.”  Have a feeling he’ll offer something less on Tuesday so not sure of this is a true indication of Collins’ value.

 
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Bayhawks said:
Got an offer today: Mixon for Collins.  The keeper value for Collins is better (assuming production were to be equal).  Think it’s a good deal for me, but couldn’t be finalized till Tuesday. Not sure if its a real offer, as this owner has a history of offering deals after TNF that can’t be finalized till the following week, then altering the offer before it can be finalized (in his favor) because “things changed.”  Have a feeling he’ll offer something less on Tuesday.
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Is this a dynasty league?

 
Football Jones said:
Ok, so it comes down to their salaries & contract length.

I wouldn't trade Mixon for Collins straight-up in a dynasty league so that's why I was wondering.
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I wouldn’t either, & I have a feeling he won’t either. Probably ask for more from me, or offer less. He’s done that before

 
You have to wonder what Seattle is thinking now. Holy cow. 

I know they may have found a guy in Carson, but he's a long, long way from a sure thing.

Collins could turn into a legit stud if things fall right. The Ravens could use a better QB & offense as a whole, but with Marshal Yanda back next season & with some other positive changes, it wouldn't take much for Collins to be considered a FF stud.

He's got the talent. As I've mentioned before, if Collins gets involved in the passing game (& he seems at least adequate if not above average due to his RAC ability), look out.

 
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Bayhawks said:
I wouldn’t either, & I have a feeling he won’t either. Probably ask for more from me, or offer less. He’s done that before
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I might be misunderstanding you, but Mixon has more value in a straight dynasty format, IMO, although, I believe it's probably closer than most FFers think.

 
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Football Jones said:
I may be misunderstanding you, but Mixon has more value in a straight dynasty format, IMO, although, I believe it's probably closer than most FFers think.
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I would prefer Mixon, even with the difference in their salaries.  I have a feeling the other guy is gonna pull a bait-n-switch.  After we revisit the trade, I think he’ll say that after thinking about it, Mixon is too much for Collins & he wants a better player than Collins, or that he wants Collins, but wants to give a lesser player than Mixon.  He’s done this before in that league, & so I’m not gonna be surprised if he won’t actially doizom for Collins.

 
Bayhawks said:
I would prefer Mixon, even with the difference in their salaries.  I have a feeling the other guy is gonna pull a bait-n-switch.  After we revisit the trade, I think he’ll say that after thinking about it, Mixon is too much for Collins & he wants a better player than Collins, or that he wants Collins, but wants to give a lesser player than Mixon.  He’s done this before in that league, & so I’m not gonna be surprised if he won’t actially doizom for Collins.
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Ok, I had it backwards. I thought you had Mixon & he had Collins.

 
Biabreakable said:
Allen fumbled in this game not Collins. Otherwise that seemed like a legitimate reason for Harbaugh to not trust Collins earlier on in the year. Harbaugh said they were working on Collins ball security technique and he hasn't fumbled for several games now.
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Yeah this has to be very promising. I completely understand Harbaugh for not trusting him earlier, but it's pretty clear that whatever they did during practice has worked to at least some degree so there's definitely reason for optimism. If he can continue not coughing it up Harbaugh will trust him eventually and he handled his first increased workload very well. 

 
It's time.

Feed him.
http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/40135/with-or-without-joe-flacco-ravens-should-put-offense-on-alex-collins-back

With or without Joe Flacco, Ravens should put offense on Alex Collins' back

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- If quarterback Joe Flacco is sidelined Sunday with a concussion, the Baltimore Ravens need to rely on running back Alex Collins.

Actually, with or without Flacco, the Ravens should put the offense squarely on the back of Collins.

That became apparent after Collins accounted for 47 percent of Baltimore's offense in Thursday's 40-0 rout of the Miami Dolphins. He ran for 113 yards and added 30 yards on two catches, underscoring yet again how he is a big play waiting to happen every time he touches the ball.

There were two questions that came to mind as Collins ran around and through a Dolphins defense that entered the week as the No. 5 run defense in the NFL:

Why did the Seattle Seahawks cut him at the end of the preseason?

Why aren't the Ravens giving him more touches?

Collins is the NFL's ninth-leading rusher with 478 yards, which are more than three Pro Bowl running backs from last season (Devonta Freeman, Jay Ajayiand DeMarco Murray). What makes his production more impressive is Collins has at least 17 fewer carries than any other back in the top 15 in rushing.

...Collins received one of the game balls for being the first Ravens' 100-yard rusher in 20 games. He also needs more touches.

With the NFL regular season nearly at the halfway point, Collins leads the league with a 5.98 yards per carry average. Buck Allen, who has been splitting carries with Collins, is gaining 3.6 yards per attempt.

Collins is the most consistent playmaker on the team, and it's not even close right now. He has produced five plays of 20 or more yards -- which are two more than anyone else on the Ravens -- and Collins wasn't on the 53-man roster to start the season.

"He’s a vicious runner," center Ryan Jensen said. "That’s how I describe him. He’s elusive, but he’ll hit it downhill and run some guys over and break tackles."
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Coach John Harbaugh said Alex Collins has earned more playing time.

It's an easy decision for the Ravens, especially after Collins keyed their Week 8 win over the Dolphins with a career-high 143 total yards. Terrance West (calf) won't be Baltimore's starter whenever he returns. Buck Allen will continue to dominate passing-down snaps, but Collins is the team's new lead runner.

Source: Jeff Zrebiec on Twitter 

Oct 30 - 4:12 PM
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For those wondering about Woodhead:

Woodhead may resume practicing this week. The Ravens have a bye in Week 10, then Woodhead will be eligible to play in the following game. Whenever Woodhead returns, he should immediately take over passing-down snaps from Buck Allen and play in tandem with new Ravens lead back Alex Collins. Fantasy leaguers who play in PPR leagues should consider rostering Woodhead this week.
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I hope that 2 RB setup will continue. I'll take any method of getting Collins on the field in passing downs, his ability in space is sick.

 
Dr. Dan said:
rolling with him due to byes and the rest of my Rbs sucking; he's my best rb right now
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I would be starting him over ajayi in a heartbeat this week if not for Jordan Howard’s bye.  

I lost week 8 with ajayi and collins on my bench.  That one move would he won me week 8.  Ajayi now in price it mode for me (which of course means he will go off for 200 it’s and 2 yds on my bench when I sit him) and collins is now a mainstay in my flex until further notice.  

And I do believe the TDs are coming.  

 
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Okay the train is definitely rolling so who is starting him and who are you starting him over?  PPR or non PPR?

Still not saying whether or not he is on my roster (just for you @Weebs210) but hypothetically would anyone confidently start him over, say, Orleans Darkwa or Ameer Abdullah?

 
Chaka said:
Okay the train is definitely rolling so who is starting him and who are you starting him over?  PPR or non PPR?

Still not saying whether or not he is on my roster (just for you @Weebs210) but hypothetically would anyone confidently start him over, say, Orleans Darkwa or Ameer Abdullah?
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Easily. I'm starting him over Lynch, Drake, Fitz, Shepard in standard.

 
This guy's still on my waiver wire in a 10-team league. Is he worth dropping Rob Kelley or Alfred Morris? And how much money would you spend on him? ($100 budget)

 
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Joe Summer said:
This guy's still on my waiver wire in a 10-team league. Is he worth dropped Rob Kelley or Alfred Morris? And how much money would you spend on him? ($100 budget)
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I would drop Kelley for him. Redskins refuse to run the ball and his ROS really doesn't look like a bunch of good game scripts for Kelley. 

 
I hate John Harbaugh for not realizing how good this kid was. I gave up hope that he was going to see the light, then he blows up after I drop him. F you Harbaugh

 
Joe Summer said:
This guy's still on my waiver wire in a 10-team league. Is he worth dropping Rob Kelley or Alfred Morris? And how much money would you spend on him? ($100 budget)
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Definately better than Kelley. Don’t know your situation re:record, depth, other positions etc but I’d conservatively plunk down 30-40%. 

 
Chaka said:
Okay the train is definitely rolling so who is starting him and who are you starting him over?  PPR or non PPR?

Still not saying whether or not he is on my roster (just for you @Weebs210) but hypothetically would anyone confidently start him over, say, Orleans Darkwa or Ameer Abdullah?
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You'd start Ameer?  He's been on my bench all year.    

 
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Chaka said:
Okay the train is definitely rolling so who is starting him and who are you starting him over?  PPR or non PPR?

Still not saying whether or not he is on my roster (just for you @Weebs210) but hypothetically would anyone confidently start him over, say, Orleans Darkwa or Ameer Abdullah?
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I'm starting him over Abdullah (also has been on my bench all year) with Gordon on BYE. In another league starting him over Tarik with Bell on BYE.

 
I have to start him. Starting Collins and Abdullah over Ajayi. Everyone else is on bye. I even have to start my backup TE at flex. It's a rough week for me. Been a rough season. Hoping Collins can give me some pop at the RB position

 
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