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RB Alex Collins, SEA (4 Viewers)

Flacco is Collins' biggest detriment. I said it in the Game thread, I said it earlier in the week and I'm saying it now. Guy constantly playfakes off Collins to throw to TEs and Allen. He's seemingly valuing his guys over the best offensive option they have.

 
Just when we thought Alex Collins carved out a role... Joe Flacco and Harbaugh said "NOPE". I should've traded Collins last week. when I had the chance.

 
This is his reality. Last week was the perfect storm. He won’t leave the bench until the Ravens get their head out of their ### and Flacco disappears. 

 
What's funny is he still looks good. You can tell if he'd be allowed to get into a rythmn he'd wear down the D. And he could have caught that TD

 
Makes no sense to me why you wouldn't toss him 4-5 short dump offs per game just to see what he does. Only guy on the team who can break tackles and he has great vision 

 
This is the communication disconnect again. How do you talk him up so much and during the game you basically ignore his abilities? Like... he just looks so explosive and you'd think he gets at least 60% of the work REGARDLESS of game script. He's done everything and more for this team and Flacco/Harbaugh don't seem to acknowledge it.

I cannot wait until the media sessions, someone was to bring up Collins' lack of use after last week.

 
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Really hard to gauge how to use this guy on my team. Doesn’t get the reps or usage to trust as an any week start, coaching staff shows no indication that will change despite talent and proof of what he could bring if fed.

On the other hand he’s the clear starter (if for now) who gets the most looks, and has that unique ability to make plays himself out of nothing and can go off on any given run.

Can’t rely on him as a starter, can’t exactly dump him on the wire, and hard to trade given that his potential is there but his isage is not, so you aren’t getting commensurate value in return.

Seems like a guy who will continue wasting a spot on my roster, I guess. Sigh.

 
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I was trying to say- just an idiotic game plan by the Ravens. After gashing the Dolphins on the ground, they spread the field a ton and chucked deep shots 40 yards down the field. And still managed to mix in the 15 or so 3 yard outs by Watson.  Oh and the play where Buck Allen lines up at FB and dives into the line isn't fooling anyone.

 
He is still the most talented RB on the team.  That means something but probably not everything.  When Woodhead returns, he will probably take away some of Collin's touches but Allen was already doing that.  It is probably a two-headed Collins/Woodhead RBBC monster and not a 3-headed RBBC including Allen.  Woodhead makes Allen droppable unless you are counting on a Woodhead injury occurring in the very near future. 

 
DocHolliday said:
He is still the most talented RB on the team.  That means something but probably not everything.  When Woodhead returns, he will probably take away some of Collin's touches but Allen was already doing that.  It is probably a two-headed Collins/Woodhead RBBC monster and not a 3-headed RBBC including Allen.  Woodhead makes Allen droppable unless you are counting on a Woodhead injury occurring in the very near future. 
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I feel so dirty. Picked up Woodhead to pair with Collins as a pure hedge for RB depth. I'm in a PPR, so Woodhead still hanging out there on the wire was just too good to pass up in and of himself -- Woodhead will have a role that may provide some flex ability for my team down the stretch (providing Harbaugh and the Ravens stick with their original thrust of getting Woodhead a lot of work in this offense).

Like the majority, I don't think Woodhead eats into Collins' role, but I can't see any situation where owning a bigger piece of this backfield is a great idea, or the opportunity to start both Woodhead and Collins at the same time in a game is wise.

Best case scenario is I'll either have some difficult choices to make each week for flex -- or one back fails and makes dropping him an easy choice.

Basically, got Woodhead because of his PPR potential and to block others from doing the same, but feel like I've betrayed Collins. Sorry, Mitch Flynn, I love you still and will be rooting for you as you likely sit on my bench.

 
Woodhead is good no doubt but I am not sure his return to the line up is going to cause Buck Allen to take a back seat to him. Harbaugh has a lot of trust in Allen it seems and being a bigger RB they may feel more comfortable with Allen in pass protection than Woodhead.

I think it may be more of a 3 way split than some of you are suggesting. Woodhead may not be a guy they ask to pass protect much, so that changes the type of plays and situations that they will use him.

 
Sleeperbot reported to expect Woodhead to get the majority of RB touches when he returns.

I find that notion :lmao:  and expect, even if true, for it to last 10-15 touches at most before Woodhead gets hurt again but we, if we hypothetically owned Collins, now have another reason to make us hesitate before inserting him into our lineups after the bye.

 
Chaka said:
Sleeperbot reported to expect Woodhead to get the majority of RB touches when he returns.

I find that notion :lmao:  and expect, even if true, for it to last 10-15 touches at most before Woodhead gets hurt again but we, if we hypothetically owned Collins, now have another reason to make us hesitate before inserting him into our lineups after the bye.
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Did you click the link? Pure click bait. Rotoworld is the worst. But yes hopefully they let Woodhead get the majority of the carries so he is out of the way by halftime back on IR.

 
own Collins in one league out of six.  the guy is a solid running back & seems to be dynamic.  I know the fumbling issues but he's had 3 games with none.  IMO the Ravens have a damn good back.  I fail to understand why they don't feed this guy.

 
irishidiot said:
own Collins in one league out of six.  the guy is a solid running back & seems to be dynamic.  I know the fumbling issues but he's had 3 games with none.  IMO the Ravens have a damn good back.  I fail to understand why they don't feed this guy.
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Actually he has gone 5 games without a fumble, and had double digit carries in 5 straight games. But I hear ya - frustrating FF option, especially in PPR.

 
Walking Boot said:
BobbyLayne said:
Starting him with Martin and over Mixon

With four guys on a bye this week has been a loss in mind since Draft Day; it I get double digits, massive, but not really expecting it
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:RIP:
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Inexplicably, pulled out a win. I had the 11th highest point total in the league.  :lmao:

Guess things balance out over a season. I lost to an 0-6 team that had it's season high game (I would have beaten them 7 out of 8 before last weekend if we played every week.)

That's H2H, you never know when you'll get a bad beat or take home a W when you clearly don't deserve it.

I cut Collins, will be interesting to see if anyone bites. 12 x 16 full PPR

 
Collins owner who stashed Woodhead in a non-PPR league. My ideal scenario would be that they both get touches and Allen gets phased out, but I have this sinking feeling that Woodhead (and eventually West) will turn the backfield into an unstartable mush.

 
Dr. Dan said:
Why? 

Is there someone else on your WW averaging better than 11.6 rushes and 65 yards per game? (5.6 YPC) 
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I picked up thomas rawls for this week and this week only.  i was torn between collins and jones for the drop but quite frankly 60 yards per game is collins ceiling.  That's no way to live in fantasy

 
killface said:
I picked up thomas rawls for this week and this week only.  i was torn between collins and jones for the drop but quite frankly 60 yards per game is collins ceiling.  That's no way to live in fantasy
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Alex Collins has had double digit carries (what I would consider to be the lead RB) for about 5 of his 8 games. But we will factor in his entire season's work here.

Total Attempts: Ranked 24th (again, he hasn't been a starting the entire season either)
Yards Per Carry: Ranked 2nd 
Total Rushing Yards: 10th
Rushing Yards Per Game: Ranked 13th (so there are only 12 RBs who average more per game than Collins... and none are on your WW- I guess we should be dropping CJ Anderson, Lamar Miller, Freeman... because all 3 of them average less per game than Collins and "Thats no way to live in fantasy" right? ) 

Yeah... sounds like a guy I'd cut too. A guy who has performed, for all intents and purposes, as a RB2 for a guy who can't stay healthy and is in a 4-way RBB 

 

 
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I wish I could trade Collins for nice value, but I can't seem to get any interest. Tried packaging him with L. Miller, D. Murray etc & no bites. ANyone trade this kid yet?

 
killface said:
I picked up thomas rawls for this week and this week only.  i was torn between collins and jones for the drop but quite frankly 60 yards per game is collins ceiling.  That's no way to live in fantasy
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So the 140 yard game didn't count in your league?

 
Dr. Dan said:
Alex Collins has had double digit carries (what I would consider to be the lead RB) for about 5 of his 8 games. But we will factor in his entire season's work here.

Total Attempts: Ranked 24th (again, he hasn't been a starting the entire season either)
Yards Per Carry: Ranked 2nd 
Total Rushing Yards: 10th
Rushing Yards Per Game: Ranked 13th (so there are only 12 RBs who average more per game than Collins... and none are on your WW) 
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Let's not pile on too hard @killface -- I wouldn't drop Collins either, but can definitely see someone in need looking at Rawls' opportunity this week and having to manage byes and make hard decisions. If Rawls takes advantage of this opportunity, he could cement a clear lead back role ROS.

And while I am definitely loving what Collins has brought to the table in terms of the eye test, and we can point to YPC and the trend of carries, how that translates to fantasy points is still up in the air. He's 40th overall in FPS in my league, around guys like Jalen Richard, Marlon Mack, Dion Lewis, and Lynch -- so not exactly been a guy who helps you win games yet.

Frankly I'm surprised Collins has such a high rank in both attempts and overall yards -- testament to how badly he's been misused in BAL. But at 24th in attempts, he still ranks below Buck and around guys like Lynch and Mixon, so it's not as if he's sniffing workhorse numbers. 

The fact that he's had more yards than Freeman, Hyde, Miller, CJ, Gore, Murray, etc. and only 5 less than McCoy is pretty amazing, though -- and another reason why I'm holding on to him like grim death. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Alex Collins has had double digit carries (what I would consider to be the lead RB) for about 5 of his 8 games. But we will factor in his entire season's work here.

Total Attempts: Ranked 24th (again, he hasn't been a starting the entire season either)
Yards Per Carry: Ranked 2nd 
Total Rushing Yards: 10th
Rushing Yards Per Game: Ranked 13th (so there are only 12 RBs who average more per game than Collins... and none are on your WW- I guess we should be dropping CJ Anderson, Lamar Miller, Freeman... because all 3 of them average less per game than Collins and "Thats no way to live in fantasy" right? ) 

Yeah... sounds like a guy I'd cut too. A guy who has performed, for all intents and purposes, as a RB2 for a guy who can't stay healthy and is in a 4-way RBB 

 
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I'm sorry if you are relying on collins as a starter your season isn't going very well.  

i don't get points for ypc.  I get points for catches, tds and yards.  In ppr he is rb 46 in my league.  Right beside a bunch of nobodies.

I could pick up a wr every week on the ww and probably get more points from him.

I will edit to add, i think he looks good and I don't understand what the ravens are doing.  But i don't play nfl football, i play fantasy and fantasy points are all i care about.  We are 10 weeks into the season and the trend is he is going to get 12 carries, not many near the goaline and no catches.  Allen has 96 points to his 49 points in my league.  Allen has also outscored him in 4 of the last 5 weeks.  

 
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killface said:
I'm sorry if you are relying on collins as a starter your season isn't going very well.  

i don't get points for ypc.  I get points for catches, tds and yards.  In ppr he is rb 46 in my league.  Right beside a bunch of nobodies.

I could pick up a wr every week on the ww and probably get more points from him.

I will edit to add, i think he looks good and I don't understand what the ravens are doing.  But i don't play nfl football, i play fantasy and fantasy points are all i care about.  We are 10 weeks into the season and the trend is he is going to get 12 carries, not many near the goaline and no catches.  Allen has 96 points to his 49 points in my league.  Allen has also outscored him in 4 of the last 5 weeks.  
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I'm not relying on him as a starter. He's been on my bench, and I couldn't be happier about his outlook. If he had just 3 TDs he'd be a considered a weekly starter, and considering he has been eased in slowly to a brand new team he joined just before the season started, I'm not surprised he doens't have TDs. 

You mentioned 60 yards a game is his ceiling (even though it's not, he is averaging more), and I pointed out that Yards per game he is 13th in the entire league. I guess I'm curious if you think Rawls will average more than 60 yards per game? 

I mention yards per carry because he has seen carries steadily increase over the season. It doesnt' take a brain surgeon to figure out that high yards per carry + more carries = more yards = more fantasy points. 

Sure, many WRs on the WW could produce better points at flex right now, but:
1. We are talking about RBs and RB depth, not flex
2. you didn't drop Collins for a WR, you dropped him for Rawls.

If you think Rawls is going to produce better than 60 yards per game then by all means drop him. but you dropped a guy who is performing in the top 50% of starting NFL RBs, for a RB who has been hurt his entire career, and are trying to justify it by saying he only averages 60 yards a game and a WR can score more points than him? :confused:  When was Rawls listed as a WR and when has Rawls last rushed for over 60 yards? 

 
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Collins' fantasy numbers may put him in the company of "a bunch of nobodies" at present but there is a rational argument to support that he can be more than that. The same cannot be said for many of those nobodies.

 
Have realized I will never have him in my lineup so finally cut bait on him too. Need a TE with Kelce on bye. Good luck to those who start him. 

 
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