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We figured out it was rocks for brains though.In the epic Christine Michael thread people would commonly argue that the reason he didn't get a fair shot was that he frequently went off script.
We figured out it was rocks for brains though.In the epic Christine Michael thread people would commonly argue that the reason he didn't get a fair shot was that he frequently went off script.
See the play at the 1:30 mark of the clips.Thought they were counter plays.
That could be an explanation for not following the play through.We figured out it was rocks for brains though.
Yeah he would do that a lot. He has so much speed that he can get away with this perhaps more than other RB.In the epic Christine Michael thread people would commonly argue that the reason he didn't get a fair shot was that he frequently went off script.
Alex Collins leads the Ravens in average yards per carry at 7.8 on just 16 attempts in one fewer game than starter Terrance West and backup Buck Allen. But the second-year running back isn’t surprised by his production.
Asked after Thursday afternoon’s practice if he anticipated playing as well as he has since being promoted from the practice squad on Sept. 16, Collins replied, “Anyone in my position would. That would be our intent coming in, and that just how I took it. Every practice is like a game day for me, the way that I prepare. So if I am going into the fire, I know what I’m doing and I’m capable and ready. So that’s just how I looked at it. And then the chips fell, and I got the opportunity, and I was ready for it.”
Collins, a 2016 fifth-round draft pick of the Seattle Seahawks who was signed by the Ravens to their practice squad on Sept. 5, has rushed for 124 yards and trails Allen and West by just 28 yards and four yards, respectively. West has two touchdowns on the ground while Allen and Collins are still searching for their first. That that has not stopped Collins from aiming to be the featured tailback.
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“I feel like every person in every position should as well because you never know,” he said. “Anything could happen, and you always have to be ready. I prepare as if the next day, I could be the starter and it’s just a mindset thing. If I’m always prepared and I’m always ready, then I won’t miss a beat if the time actually comes forward.”
Coach John Harbaugh said what he appreciates most about Collins is, “the fact that he gets yards. He makes tacklers miss, he breaks tackles. I like guys that get yards on their own.”
Collins credited his powerful, physical running style to growing up with older brothers.
“That’s just how I’ve been taught,” he said. “Growing up, my older brothers were very aggressive and played the same position. So they really had a hand on it as well, just teaching me to be violent and relentless when I run because it helps breaking tackles and just finishing strong and always falling forward. Those are the things I’m always thinking about when I’m running the ball.”
For now, Collins is still third on the depth chart, but offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg praised Collins for working diligently under running backs coach Thomas Hammock.
“He’s got a little speed, he’s got a little quickness,” Mornhinweg said. “He’s a good football player, he’s got instincts, all those things. He’s a sharp kid. He puts the hard work in. He prepares well. With hard work and preparation, he can get this thing done pretty well.”
Kind of funny that Marlon Mack is brought up here as I can see some similarities between him and Alex Collins. Mack may be a bit faster than Collins is I think.ldizzle said:I can't believe people are recommending dropping Mack. This is a dynasty league people, not redraft. Mack doesn't need a Gore injury to be relevant next year. Plus Luck will be back next year making the offense decent.
Thank you SSND! Honestly he looked GREAT. Really good agility, ability to make defenders miss, saw some decent power, ability to break tackles, nice spin move, keeps his feet churning, good vision.Biabreakable said:
West and Allen have combined for 3.6 yards per carry this season. Collins is nearly producing that same amount after first contact (3.1 yards), which ranks third in the league.
For the love of god BAL give this dude 20+ touches a game you stupid bastards.Collins, 23, has done plenty of his damage late in games when the outcome had been determined. Still, it's difficult to overlook his big-play ability. He has broken five runs for 10 yards or longer, which trails only Kareem Hunt, Melvin Gordon, Jordan Howard, Dalvin Cook, Carlos Hyde and Todd Gurley.
Well said. Antonio brown I believe was a 6th rd pick in the draft. That means that 32 teams passed at least FIVE times on one of the best wide receivers to ever play the game at the draft.I will try to say this as concisely as possible. I am regarded amongst my friends as having an encyclopaedic knowledge of a vast and wide range of sports. Having said that, despite having been a Lions fan since 1989, it's really only the last five years that I have tried to delve deeper into NFL and understand it at a greater level. I doubt I will ever know as much as the large amount of people on here that have been around football and played it since high school. You can't replicate the innate knowledge that gives someone. Likewise, and as a comparison, I guarantee my understanding over 'soccer' will no doubt dwarf that of most people on here.
Having said all that, sometimes I look at a few of the conversations that take place in this forum and just scratch my head. Last week in the Elliot thread, people endlessly arguing over the difference between 'bad character' and 'bad person'. I paraphrase slightly, but it was an utterly absurd conversation that held no value at all.
I would suggest the same is true in this thread. Sometimes people seemed to get far too bogged down in semantics and pointless back and forth. It really doesn't matter what you estimate the quality of the Seahawks backfield as being at this point. Or how it was perceived by the Seahawks coaches at the time they released Collins.
We all try to make educated and informed decisions based on whatever pertinent information is infront of us. In this case, it's whatever tape he has put to film for the Ravens, what qualities he has and how that meshes with their schemes, the performance of the other backs in their stable, and whatever tidbits we glean from their coaches. Nothing else matters or is relevant.
Sometimes I think it takes a slightly less educated person to stand back and see the forrest for the trees, to be honest.
Peoplw should be making their estimation on Collins over what he has done as a Raven, and nothing else, imo.
I disagree with everything you said except for your knowledge about soccer.I will try to say this as concisely as possible. I am regarded amongst my friends as having an encyclopaedic knowledge of a vast and wide range of sports. Having said that, despite having been a Lions fan since 1989, it's really only the last five years that I have tried to delve deeper into NFL and understand it at a greater level. I doubt I will ever know as much as the large amount of people on here that have been around football and played it since high school. You can't replicate the innate knowledge that gives someone. Likewise, and as a comparison, I guarantee my understanding over 'soccer' will no doubt dwarf that of most people on here.
Having said all that, sometimes I look at a few of the conversations that take place in this forum and just scratch my head. Last week in the Elliot thread, people endlessly arguing over the difference between 'bad character' and 'bad person'. I paraphrase slightly, but it was an utterly absurd conversation that held no value at all.
I would suggest the same is true in this thread. Sometimes people seemed to get far too bogged down in semantics and pointless back and forth. It really doesn't matter what you estimate the quality of the Seahawks backfield as being at this point. Or how it was perceived by the Seahawks coaches at the time they released Collins.
We all try to make educated and informed decisions based on whatever pertinent information is infront of us. In this case, it's whatever tape he has put to film for the Ravens, what qualities he has and how that meshes with their schemes, the performance of the other backs in their stable, and whatever tidbits we glean from their coaches. Nothing else matters or is relevant.
Sometimes I think it takes a slightly less educated person to stand back and see the forrest for the trees, to be honest.
Peoplw should be making their estimation on Collins over what he has done as a Raven, and nothing else, imo.
Because Jon Snow is a *******, therefore it must be allowed.Edit: Why isn't bastards censored? Don't ban me.
I have West and am not impressed. I was thinking of dropping him for Collins but I just couldn't. Dropped Kelvin for him cuz Cam looks horrible. Completely speculative grab.
Soon. Very soon.I got Collins off waivers in a few high stakes leagues. He looks good but does he have a chance of starting?
Ballsy. But if you don't have great options he could surprise.I'm starting him at flex in at least one league.
That PIT run defense looks really suspect.Ballsy. But if you don't have great options he could surprise.
i haven't read every post but AFAICT no people are saying that.I think all the people in here trying to say that Collins is terrible and "look, the Seahawks cut him" don't get it and are simply saying it because they are all West owners. The same goes for everyone saying that Collins got all his yards in garbage time. (I don't hear anybody saying Devante Parker is terrible because all his yards were in garbage time...)
If somebody can't see that Collins is running better than West, than it's time to go to the eye doctor and get those eyes checked.
It's crazy how he's owned in essentially 0% of redraft leagues but is the most talented back on his respective team with a very clear path to opportunity. I remember when I added him in one of my leagues two weeks ago that I was hoping my add would nudge him up for 0% to 1%. I thought he might have been on the fringe, at like .9% or something.Soon. Very soon.
To be perfectly honest I was blind drunk when I wrote this last night. Woke up on the couch at 5am UK time with the game just ending and a massive headache.I disagree with everything you said except for your knowledge about soccer.
There is only so much information available about Alex Collins, so the discussion of who he is as a college prospect and how he compares to other RB on the Seahawks is relevant as far as trying to determine his level of talent and how he might fair in competition with other RB on the Ravens roster.
It is only natural to ask why the Seahawks did not keep him. To kick the tires and look for reasons for that.
Comparing this to people talking about Elliot is apples to tricycles.
No worries, we've all been there.To be perfectly honest I was blind drunk when I wrote this last night. Woke up on the couch at 5am UK time with the game just ending and a massive headache.
I would maintain there are strands of what I was saying that I would still fully agree with, but the post seems like a bit of an embarrassing tirade of some description
You failed.I will try to say this as concisely as possible.
I like a person that fesses up. good post. everything is good.To be perfectly honest I was blind drunk when I wrote this last night. Woke up on the couch at 5am UK time with the game just ending and a massive headache.
I would maintain there are strands of what I was saying that I would still fully agree with, but the post seems like a bit of an embarrassing tirade of some description
It's crazy how he's owned in essentially 0% of redraft leagues but is the most talented back on his respective team with a very clear path to opportunity. I remember when I added him in one of my leagues two weeks ago that I was hoping my add would nudge him up for 0% to 1%. I thought he might have been on the fringe, at like .9% or something.
At the end of the day, as much as I do like Collins, the biggest thing he has going for him is how weak his competition is. The only backfields who I think contain less talent than BAL at the moment are NYG, NYJ, ARI and IND (while Mack is hurt).
I like Collins, so this comment is not about him... butI think all the people in here trying to say that Collins is terrible and "look, the Seahawks cut him" don't get it and are simply saying it because they are all West owners. The same goes for everyone saying that Collins got all his yards in garbage time. (I don't hear anybody saying Devante Parker is terrible because all his yards were in garbage time...)
If somebody can't see that Collins is running better than West, than it's time to go to the eye doctor and get those eyes checked.
In week 2 Collins was getting run in a 10 point game in the bottom of the third. Not all of his touches have been garbage time.I like Collins, so this comment is not about him... but
Garbage time production by an RB on a losing team is significantly different than garbage time production by a WR. Unlike regular game situations, the RB on a losing team in garbage time faces a soft defense whereas WR do not. If there are only minutes left and you have a big lead, Defenses are keying on the pass/deep play. They are fine trading a 5-10 yard gain on the ground in exchange for the time off the clock.
Please note the first line of my post. I was NOT talking about Collins... just making a comment that garbage time production for RBs on a losing team is less indicative of capability than garbage time for WR. The person I was responding to was complaining that folks were downgrading some of Collins' performance because it occurred during garbage time but they were not downgrading Davante parker's.In week 2 Collins was getting run in a 10 point game in the bottom of the third. Not all of his touches have been garbage time.
I saw the same thing as you ... felt like he was well under the radar and as much as I like Collins got too cute in my main keeper league I been in since 2003 and a rival scooped him up. I felt like I could play one more def matchup last week and pick him up for free this week and he got scooped on me. I can't trust those percentages for my league anymore. I still got him in my other leagues but don't care as much.SameSongNDance said:It's crazy how he's owned in essentially 0% of redraft leagues but is the most talented back on his respective team with a very clear path to opportunity. I remember when I added him in one of my leagues two weeks ago that I was hoping my add would nudge him up for 0% to 1%. I thought he might have been on the fringe, at like .9% or something.
I saw it. But you are in a Collins thread talking about garbage time rushing.Please note the first line of my post. I was NOT talking about Collins... just making a comment that garbage time production for RBs on a losing team is less indicative of capability than garbage time for WR. The person I was responding to was complaining that folks were downgrading some of Collins' performance because it occurred during garbage time but they were not downgrading Davante parker's.
Garbage time is just as easy on WRs. Defenses play prevent. They play soft. The definition of garbage time is when the game is so out of hand and there isn't enough time left for the losing team to even have a remote chance of winning.Please note the first line of my post. I was NOT talking about Collins... just making a comment that garbage time production for RBs on a losing team is less indicative of capability than garbage time for WR. The person I was responding to was complaining that folks were downgrading some of Collins' performance because it occurred during garbage time but they were not downgrading Davante parker's.
You beat me to it by a few seconds! LolMore good vibes going Collins way, this from the Balt main webpage. Jesus, do I dare start him over Maclin at flex?
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Once-a-Beastly-Lacrosse-Player-Alex-Collins-Is-Emerging-in-Ravens-Backfield/a8e68a00-69b3-4d05-af59-866c7538aef7
Classic overthinking it.I disagree with everything you said except for your knowledge about soccer.
There is only so much information available about Alex Collins, so the discussion of who he is as a college prospect and how he compares to other RB on the Seahawks is relevant as far as trying to determine his level of talent and how he might fair in competition with other RB on the Ravens roster.
It is only natural to ask why the Seahawks did not keep him. To kick the tires and look for reasons for that.
Comparing this to people talking about Elliot is apples to tricycles.
Ugh, major dart throw there. I'm starting Kamara as my RB2! and waiting anxiously for doug martin to come back as wellYou beat me to it by a few seconds! Lol
im actually wondering if he is flex worthy this week too. I have a hodgepodge of middling talent to choose from until Doug martin comes back.
Its bw collins, Marvin jones (Xavier Rhodes?), jamaal charles, kamara, foreman, Paul Richardson, and doctson
This is not totally correct. While defenses may be defending the deep play, they ARE NOT guarding against underneath passes.I like Collins, so this comment is not about him... but
Garbage time production by an RB on a losing team is significantly different than garbage time production by a WR. Unlike regular game situations, the RB on a losing team in garbage time faces a soft defense whereas WR do not. If there are only minutes left and you have a big lead, Defenses are keying on the pass/deep play. They are fine trading a 5-10 yard gain on the ground in exchange for the time off the clock.
They also weren't playing deep when he had his TD run.This is not totally correct. While defenses may be defending the deep play, they ARE NOT guarding against underneath passes.
Parker caught 7 passes last week. All 7 came with his team down by 20 points & less than 8 minutes left in the game. Only 1 of those passes was more than 14 yards, & over half of them were less than 10 yard gains. He was getting short receptions because the defense was letting him have them.
How is that garbage time production any different than a RB getting 5-10 yard rushes because the defense is playing deep? Answer-it isn't.
The Packers weren't playing deep when Jordan Howard had a 3-yard TD run to bring the Bears to within 3 TDs at the end of the 4th quarter yesterday, either. Garbage time is garbage time. WRs benefit from it just as much as RBs (probably more, b/c it's rare for an NFL team to decide "we are going to lose, but we aren't even going to try to win-let's just go run the ball and eat clock).They also weren't playing deep when he had his TD run.
The 'garbage time rushing yards' for the loser stat is pretty rare.The Packers weren't playing deep when Jordan Howard had a 3-yard TD run to bring the Bears to within 3 TDs at the end of the 4th quarter yesterday, either. Garbage time is garbage time. WRs benefit from it just as much as RBs (probably more, b/c it's rare for an NFL team to decide "we are going to lose, but we aren't even going to try to win-let's just go run the ball and eat clock).
I disagree with this too.Classic overthinking it.
Simply watch how he has played with the Ravens.....easy decision to add this kid to your roster and take a chance. He could have been cut for a number of reasons, numbers game, was not having an impact with their system, was not picking up their system, maybe he was simply caught in the numbers game and politcs of football that can cause guys to get cut....but catch on with another team and have a decent career.
There are hundreds of players that are cut and catch on with other teams and make a career of it. It happens every year.
We are amateur GM's here playing fantasy football. I have been playing this game since 1988.
You know what I use as My number 1,2,3,4 and 5 in analyzing a player?
Simply watching him play.
His playing time/results thus far on the Ravens, screams.....talented enough to play in the NFL and talented enough to become the Ravens #1 back in a few more weeks. The situation for him in Baltimore is far better than it was in Seattle. Regardless of what anyone may think about Seattle's backfield.....they have a guy who had an outstanding camp in Carson, a guy who did some real damage for them in the past in Rawls, a former front line RB in Eddie Lacy (he did have two excellent years with the Packers) and a 3rd down athletic freak in Prosise who showed last season he can ball.
IMO it was a numbers game. Collins was cut. Ravens snagged him. Lost Woodhead to a hammy, have West who flat out stinks and Allen who is a 3rd down back at best IMO.
This will be Collins show soon if he keeps doing this. No doubt in my mind about it. The film does not lie.
You know what I use as My number 1,2,3,4 and 5 in analyzing a player?
Simply watching him play.