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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (4 Viewers)

JohnnyU said:
Here we go again.  No shares by me :)   You can give millions to someone but they are what they are.  It surely doesn’t make them more than what they are.
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Me either. I dealt him 2 years ago because I was worried what life after Brees looked like in NOS & (it was a decent deal that suited my team).

Never thought it would be something like this. 

Maybe it was self defense. So far he’s just been accused? :shrug:  

 
travdogg said:
Not to excuse whatever Kamara has done, but boy we have a lot of evidence that maybe football in Vegas was a mistake. 
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Why? Are there not clubs in other cities? Does domestic violence only happen in Las Vegas? All the things that have happened in Vegas this year happened because grown men made very very bad and dumb choices. 

I lived in LV for 5 years and never once beat somebody up or got a DUI, its about the character of the person who is doing it not the city....

 
Dacomish said:
Why? Are there not clubs in other cities? Does domestic violence only happen in Las Vegas? All the things that have happened in Vegas this year happened because grown men made very very bad and dumb choices. 

I lived in LV for 5 years and never once beat somebody up or got a DUI, its about the character of the person who is doing it not the city....
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Well, it didn't get the name sin city for no reason.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
You were never in a bar fight in your twenties?
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I've never been in a bar fight.  The only fight I was ever in as an adult was when my ex-wife was working as a manager of a fast food joint and she ask a guy to leave because he was being verbally abusive and he threatened her.  We went at it at that point.  

 
JohnnyU said:
I've never been in a bar fight.  The only fight I was ever in as an adult was when my ex-wife was working as a manager of a fast food joint and she ask a guy to leave because he was being verbally abusive and he threatened her.  We went at it at that point.  
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Well maybe you didn’t go out in your twenties a lot - but seeing fights break out in a crowded bar where people have been drinking wasn’t uncommon. I found your “judgement” of Kamara a little condescending and demeaning- especially when we have no idea what happened. Maybe he was also defending his girlfriend from some drunken fool.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Well maybe you didn’t go out in your twenties a lot - but seeing fights break out in a crowded bar where people have been drinking wasn’t uncommon. I found your “judgement” of Kamara a little condescending and demeaning- especially when we have no idea what happened. Maybe he was also defending his girlfriend from some drunken fool.
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If that is the case, then I stand with Kamara.  Otherwise, I see no reason for adults to get into fights in a bar.  Keyword "adults".

 
JohnnyU said:
Well, it didn't get the name sin city for no reason.
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Not saying there isn't temptation or vices there, that's a given - I have seen it in beforehand and aftermath, even folks recovering from those same vices that became addicts.

What I am saying that these are well paid grown men who make a conscious bad decision that has consequences. Just like every other city in the world - I was in the military there and I saw much higher rates of DUI's, underage drinking, petty crime and very serious crime (murder/rape) in other areas of the country and world. 

To blame criminal or just plain boneheaded decisions made by an individual on the city, is rather silly. 

 
Dacomish said:
Not saying there isn't temptation or vices there, that's a given - I have seen it in beforehand and aftermath, even folks recovering from those same vices that became addicts.

What I am saying that these are well paid grown men who make a conscious bad decision that has consequences. Just like every other city in the world - I was in the military there and I saw much higher rates of DUI's, underage drinking, petty crime and very serious crime (murder/rape) in other areas of the country and world. 

To blame criminal or just plain boneheaded decisions made by an individual on the city, is rather silly. 
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Of course, it is the people, not the city's fault, but Vegas has the reputation where some people act stupid when they are there.  You know, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".   I've been to Vegas 3 times as a young man and never thought once about getting into trouble, or allowing it to happen.  I drank my fair share while I was there too.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
need details before knowing if this is a legit assault or a money grab by a barroom lowlife.
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We saw something the same with Aaron Donald a few years back and people were just turning on him left and right, then the truth came out corroborated by video, so there is always that chance someone could be out for money. 

 
Dacomish said:
We saw something the same with Aaron Donald a few years back and people were just turning on him left and right, then the truth came out corroborated by video, so there is always that chance someone could be out for money. 
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Some guy also picked a fight with Dallas Goedert last off-season I believe.  If Kamara is vindicated I will stand in his corner and probably shouldn't have labeled him guilty before knowing all the facts.  I will own that if he's innocent in this encounter.

 
JohnnyU said:
Of course, it is the people, not the city's fault, but Vegas has the reputation where some people act stupid when they are there.  You know, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".   I've been to Vegas 3 times as a young man and never thought once about getting into trouble, or allowing it to happen.  I drank my fair share while I was there too.
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Absolutely agree, there is that element but I have also seen that other parts of the country and world as well. I would see guys get blind out drunk in North Dakota and Northern California just as much as in Vegas (I was in Military Law Enforcement when I was in). 

 
Dacomish said:
Absolutely agree, there is that element but I have also seen that other parts of the country and world as well. I would see guys get blind out drunk in North Dakota and Northern California just as much as in Vegas (I was in Military Law Enforcement when I was in). 
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Not so sure I would say "just as much as in Vegas", but yes, people get drunk everywhere.

 
JohnnyU said:
Not so sure I would say "just as much as in Vegas", but yes, people get drunk everywhere.
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I was referring to the Military types, who generally have a higher sense of discipline. Overall population of general vacation goers, yes you get that mentality - and I saw some things I cannot ever unsee in Vegas....lol! 

 
Interesting the alleged battery was committed Saturday night and Kamara was arrested after Sunday's Pro Bowl. Why did the police wait????

Too much of a hot potato?

Did someone step in and hold up the process? I'm sure it was easy enough for law enforcement to find out where he was.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 
JohnnyU said:
Of course, it is the people, not the city's fault, but Vegas has the reputation where some people act stupid when they are there.  You know, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".   I've been to Vegas 3 times as a young man and never thought once about getting into trouble, or allowing it to happen.  I drank my fair share while I was there too.
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In other words, "it's the person, not the city" regardless of the adage about what happens where.

 
FWmaker said:
Interesting the alleged battery was committed Saturday night and Kamara was arrested after Sunday's Pro Bowl. Why did the police wait????

Too much of a hot potato?

Did someone step in and hold up the process? I'm sure it was easy enough for law enforcement to find out where he was.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Very fishy from several angles.

I'm coming from a position of ignorance here ... but beating up someone in a barroom unprovoked is WAY outside of Kamara's public persona. Maybe he's got a dark side like Marvin Harrison -- but if so, he's kept it very well hidden.

 
When the Raiders moved there, I figured visiting players would be getting late night trouble, thus creating a home field advantage for the Raiders. Thus far, it has only been Raider players, and the guy who anchors all my dynasty teams. Not cool.

 
FWmaker said:
Interesting the alleged battery was committed Saturday night and


Kamara


was arrested after Sunday's Pro Bowl. Why did the police wait????

Too much of a hot potato?

Did someone step in and hold up the process? I'm sure it was easy enough for law enforcement to find out where he was.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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It happened at Drai's, who does after hours, at 6 am. He was identified later, and thy arrested him after the game.

 
I have traded Kamara in all leagues I had him over the last couple years, so no dog in this fight for me. However, this sounds a lot like a bunch of other offseason stories that turned into a nuthingburger over the past several offseasons (for which many I was on the side of the "he's done" crowd).

Maybe it's not nothing, but I'd sit tight if I had him. 

 
We for sure need more information but one thing does worry me about Kamara is that he's actually locked up and not merely under investigation. Makes me think police were able to view video footage.

 
menobrown said:
We for sure need more information but one thing does worry me about


Kamara


is that he's actually locked up and not merely under investigation. Makes me think police were able to view video footage.
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This will be a big thing in Vegas. Most trouble will be happening in view of some high tech cameras.

Tupac notwithstanding. RIP

 
If you have been out drinking/partying in multiple cities, and one of them is Vegas, it should be inherently clear that Vegas makes it absurdly easy to get in all kinds of trouble. There is a kind of partying you can really only do in Vegas. 

 
Dacomish said:
Why? Are there not clubs in other cities? Does domestic violence only happen in Las Vegas? All the things that have happened in Vegas this year happened because grown men made very very bad and dumb choices. 

I lived in LV for 5 years and never once beat somebody up or got a DUI, its about the character of the person who is doing it not the city....
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I would also suggest that perhaps it’s just easier to get caught in Vegas, so it gives the misleading impression that it’s the city.

There are cameras literally everywhere, so when Ray Rice knocks his wife around, it gets to TMZ before she’s even admitted to the hospital, whereas if he’d punched a woman in an elevator in Duluth, MN, it’s likely no one would ever know.

There’s also a sizable police presence in Vegas.

That said, IMO something like the Ruggs situation is perhaps more likely in Vegas for displays of wealth, fast cars, wide open roads where it’s very tempting to open up a brand new corvette to see what it can do. 

But I’m still blaming Ruggs for that, and not the city of Las Vegas.

i’ve been to Vegas 100x and I’ve never committed aggravated assault resulting in severe bodily harm there. :shrug:  

 
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@Kat_Terrell

According to the police report, the incident took place at Drai's After Dark nightclub in the Cromwell Casino around the elevators. The victim has an orbital fracture on his right eye and other injuries that are described as minor. Surveillance video matches the victim's story

More on what I believe is the police investigation: Investigation details

 
menobrown said:
@Kat_Terrell

According to the police report, the incident took place at Drai's After Dark nightclub in the Cromwell Casino around the elevators. The victim has an orbital fracture on his right eye and other injuries that are described as minor. Surveillance video matches the victim's story

More on what I believe is the police investigation: Investigation details
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Based on that link, it appears Kamara told a half truth.  He admitted to punching the guy, but said he thought the guy was running away (which video surveillance shows is not the case). Doesn't look good for him, but he will play football again soon.

 
smbkrypt24 said:
 Doesn't look good for him, but he will play football again soon.
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If all true I'm going to guess 6 games , some shine off his reputation, then all good.

Got to see video to be sure and it's possible it's worse then a typical assault on another male. As in the part where it sounds like Kamara started attacking the guy after another friend attacked him first and was laying into a guy who was had already been hit and was down. So maybe the video is an especially bad look, the way Rices video once released made it look worse then we just heard he hit his wife. But typically society is just not going to come down on you that far when one man beats up another man and I just don't expect  an outcry for his head where this to be an attack on a female.

 
menobrown said:
If all true I'm going to guess 6 games , some shine off his reputation, then all good.

Got to see video to be sure and it's possible it's worse then a typical assault on another male. As in the part where it sounds like Kamara started attacking the guy after another friend attacked him first and was laying into a guy who was had already been hit and was down. So maybe the video is an especially bad look, the way Rices video once released made it look worse then we just heard he hit his wife. But typically society is just not going to come down on you that far when one man beats up another man and I just don't expect  an outcry for his head where this to be an attack on a female.
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Yeah, that video will be huge if its release to public.  I just saw report he is facing 5 years, but I doubt he gets anything close to that if its a first time offense.  I don't know his past, but I feel like things would start surfacing if he had any past criminal history.

 
Dacomish said:
We saw something the same with Aaron Donald a few years back and people were just turning on him left and right, then the truth came out corroborated by video, so there is always that chance someone could be out for money. 
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Which I still believe is a HUGE part of the Watson case and why he'll be playing again soon. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I would also suggest that perhaps it’s just easier to get caught in Vegas, so it gives the misleading impression that it’s the city.

There are cameras literally everywhere, so when Ray Rice knocks his wife around, it gets to TMZ before she’s even admitted to the hospital, whereas if he’d punched a woman in an elevator in Duluth, MN, it’s likely no one would ever know.

There’s also a sizable police presence in Vegas.

That said, IMO something like the Ruggs situation is perhaps more likely in Vegas for displays of wealth, fast cars, wide open roads where it’s very tempting to open up a brand new corvette to see what it can do. 

But I’m still blaming Ruggs for that, and not the city of Las Vegas.

i’ve been to Vegas 100x and I’ve never committed aggravated assault resulting in severe bodily harm there. :shrug:  
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It's so weird when my hometown is used as an example of a random place. 

I was just thinking that while Vegas doesn't cause people to become violent(or drunk, or drugged up, or whatever else) it does seem like it makes it easier for people with those tendencies to get to that point.

Its promotion of itself as essentially party central, where the normal rules don't totally apply, except they still do for everything except gambling, prostitution, and public drinking, probably more, but those seem like the main ones.

 
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loosely quoted here "Kamara says he doesn't remember if he punched Greene while he [Greene] was on the ground".  Unless he was too wasted to throw a punch I found the statement suspect.

I don't see anything in the incident report that make Kamara look faultless or vicitimized by a money grab.  Starting to look like he made some bad decisions.

 
If someone got grabbed by the cops at the club, and claimed innocence, hey that happens. Confusion, he said she said, stuff happens. 

12 hours later, he was arrested. Unlikely they arrest the wrong guy 12 hours later. 

It's on ESPN now. Kamara hit a guy 8 times on video, then his friends jumped the guy. 

Dang, bruh

 
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travdogg said:
It's so weird when my hometown is used as an example of a random place. 
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No offense to Deluthians intended. 

Growing up my dad used to use Deluth as a "middle of nowhere" example. For all I know it's a booming industrial center with a bustling night life. 

:lol:  

 
travdogg said:
Its promotion of itself as essentially party central, where the normal rules don't totally apply, except they still do for everything except gambling, prostitution, and public drinking, probably more, but those seem like the main ones.
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In the instance of being locked in a jail cell, their catch phrase "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" certainly does seem to apply. 💡

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
No offense to Deluthians intended. 

Growing up my dad used to use Deluth as a "middle of nowhere" example. For all I know it's a booming industrial center with a bustling night life. 

:lol:  
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They do have a Casino in Duluth.

 
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