What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

RB Ashton Jeanty, LV (2 Viewers)

That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
I agree, he looked the part (minus the fumbles). Penn St did everything in their power to stop him, only so much you can do in that instance. He was close to breaking a long one a couple of times. Excellent contact balance, great vision, shifty, good power, good hands…a lot to like.
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
Second round? I kind of figured he was a near lock for first round.
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
Second round? I kind of figured he was a near lock for first round.

In this economy?
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
Second round? I kind of figured he was a near lock for first round.
I think if we consider contract structure, end of the first is good value for an elite RB with the 5th year option. I think a team will trade into 30-32 if he's still there.
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
Second round? I kind of figured he was a near lock for first round.
I think if we consider contract structure, end of the first is good value for an elite RB with the 5th year option. I think a team will trade into 30-32 if he's still there.
Gibbs went, what, 12th? I figured he was at least in the same ballpark with Gibbs as a prospect. Probably not close to Bijan though. (Though, Gibbs went much higher than expected.)
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
Second round? I kind of figured he was a near lock for first round.
I think if we consider contract structure, end of the first is good value for an elite RB with the 5th year option. I think a team will trade into 30-32 if he's still there.
Gibbs went, what, 12th? I figured he was at least in the same ballpark with Gibbs as a prospect. Probably not close to Bijan though. (Though, Gibbs went much higher than expected.)
True, I'd guess Jeanty is gone by 20, but even considering the devalue of the RB position, I can't see him falling into rd2.
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
Second round? I kind of figured he was a near lock for first round.
I think if we consider contract structure, end of the first is good value for an elite RB with the 5th year option. I think a team will trade into 30-32 if he's still there.
Gibbs went, what, 12th? I figured he was at least in the same ballpark with Gibbs as a prospect. Probably not close to Bijan though. (Though, Gibbs went much higher than expected.)
True, I'd guess Jeanty is gone by 20, but even considering the devalue of the RB position, I can't see him falling into rd2.
Taylor went early 2nd. I can see Jeanty going early 2nd. It wouldn't be a surprise IMO.
 
Last night was my first time watching him. Very hard game to judge him by since Penn State was in his face behind the line basically every run.
He DID miss a couple opportunities to get more yards that I saw, but I do think I saw enough to think he'd be pretty good in the NFL.
They really only used him as a decoy in the passing game.
 
I was so bummed in landing the 2d overall pick in my rookie draft and missing out on him - after digging deeper and watching last pm I feel much better about missing out on him. Still will be good but I think def overhyped
 
I was so bummed in landing the 2d overall pick in my rookie draft and missing out on him - after digging deeper and watching last pm I feel much better about missing out on him. Still will be good but I think def overhyped
So you judge a 30 carry 104 yards in a game as him overhyped for his entire body of work? What is this digging deeper you speak of that led you to this conclusion? I’m open minded and welcome your opinion.
 
Last edited:
I was so bummed in landing the 2d overall pick in my rookie draft and missing out on him - after digging deeper and watching last pm I feel much better about missing out on him. Still will be good but I think def overhyped
So you judge a 30 carry 104 yards in game as him overhyped for his entire body of work? What is this digging deeper you speak of that led you to this conclusion? I’m open minded and welcome your opinion.
Moved to Idaho (near Boise) this summer so lot of watch parties in the neighborhood. Definitely not downgrading him based on last night. Virtually every time he got the ball, there were 3-4 defenders on him immediately. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. He ran hard. Didn’t help that Madson played poorly. Penn State was just the much better team.
 
looked alright to me, didn’t break his usual long TD but the Boise OL didn’t create any space for him but his power and balance is unreal.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

But yeah he’s not Barry Sanders, will concede that. I would say MJD is a better comp.
 
I was so bummed in landing the 2d overall pick in my rookie draft and missing out on him - after digging deeper and watching last pm I feel much better about missing out on him. Still will be good but I think def overhyped
So you judge a 30 carry 104 yards in a game as him overhyped for his entire body of work? What is this digging deeper you speak of that led you to this conclusion? I’m open minded and welcome your opinion.
Im not a huge college guy so mostly heard of him in general without knowing much. After all the hype I was expecting Barkley type prospect - after reading up on him. looking at his schedule and just watching the eye test to me he didnt seem like the monster no brainer top 10 pick Barkley was. Still the top RB and a very good player but unless he goes off on hype/combine I dont think hes drafted as high as a lot of the mocks showed super early - but its early and you never know with combine/workouts

Also some of it is also learning more about some of the other top offensive prospects - looks like more talent than I thought so I can definitely see more than a few worthy #2 overalls at this point as good consolation prizes.

Again Im not a huge college guy so hoping to learn more so keep the info commin - not that I am expecting him to fall to #2 - but you never know!
 
I was so bummed in landing the 2d overall pick in my rookie draft and missing out on him - after digging deeper and watching last pm I feel much better about missing out on him. Still will be good but I think def overhyped
So you judge a 30 carry 104 yards in a game as him overhyped for his entire body of work? What is this digging deeper you speak of that led you to this conclusion? I’m open minded and welcome your opinion.
Im not a huge college guy so mostly heard of him in general without knowing much. After all the hype I was expecting Barkley type prospect - after reading up on him. looking at his schedule and just watching the eye test to me he didnt seem like the monster no brainer top 10 pick Barkley was. Still the top RB and a very good player but unless he goes off on hype/combine I dont think hes drafted as high as a lot of the mocks showed super early - but its early and you never know with combine/workouts

Also some of it is also learning more about some of the other top offensive prospects - looks like more talent than I thought so I can definitely see more than a few worthy #2 overalls at this point as good consolation prizes.

Again Im not a huge college guy so hoping to learn more so keep the info commin - not that I am expecting him to fall to #2 - but you never know!
He will go 1.01 in 99% of Dynasty leagues, if not 100%, barring a severe leg / foot injury, even in SF because it’s a weak QB class. Not sure what he will do at the underwear Olympics, but Bucky Irving had a horrible combine if that tells you anything.
 
looked alright to me, didn’t break his usual long TD but the Boise OL didn’t create any space for him but his power and balance is unreal.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

But yeah he’s not Barry Sanders, will concede that. I would say MJD is a better comp.
Looks like Marion Barber in those clips. My goodness. That’s a compliment but running like that often leads to a short career like Barber had.
 
looked alright to me, didn’t break his usual long TD but the Boise OL didn’t create any space for him but his power and balance is unreal.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

But yeah he’s not Barry Sanders, will concede that. I would say MJD is a better comp.
Looks like Marion Barber in those clips. My goodness. That’s a compliment but running like that often leads to a short career like Barber had.
Yes this a concern for me too. Ad the season went on, I felt he lost a little juice. He was probably a bit banged up because they ran him so much and he’s so physical. But when taking RBs for dynasty, I don’t think we should ever think beyond like a 3 year window because of how unpredictable things are. Jeanty is a buzz saw with major pass catching chops (was a travesty how little they used him in the passing game this year compared to last year).
 
I think he’s the RB1 in this class.
Careful, that's quite a long limb you're going out on, there!
Why? Barring injury I think it’s a cinch.
Was being sarcastic. You may have been just knowingly stating what is the consensus. But it sounds funny when it starts with "I think".
Well, I assume he said “I think” as to not speak for everyone. Smart posting on his part IMO.
 
I think he’s the RB1 in this class.
Careful, that's quite a long limb you're going out on, there!
Why? Barring injury I think it’s a cinch.
Was being sarcastic. You may have been just knowingly stating what is the consensus. But it sounds funny when it starts with "I think".
Well, I assume he said “I think” as to not speak for everyone. Smart posting on his part IMO.
Oh, my bad, was thinking he wrote that reply, which is why I said 'you'. Anyway, yeah that's totally fair wording, nothing wrong with it. But I personally think that would be a 90-97% thing if we polled the community, so it sounds funny to state it when no one has disputed it.
 
He's easy RB1, not a product of hype. Has a lot of good traits but can't say that I've seen a RB that has better contact balance.

As to where he goes in the draft who knows at this point? I mean other then he's a round one lock barring a medical condition.

IMO here are some major factors impacting how high he goes.

The major plus to help him go higher is how exceptionally weak this draft class is on blue chip talent. I would go so far as to say that whoever ends up as the second ranked player in this draft(after Hunter) might not have cracked the top 12 picks last year.

The two negatives that could drop him are that the teams picking super high are not that RB needy and in general not a lot of RB needy teams in the league There is a counter to that of course, and that's Atlanta and the Lions were not RB needy when they gook Bijan and Gibbs at 8 and 12. I don't dispute that counter, just pointing out RB need is not really in his favor.

The other negatives is the incredible depth of this RB class which combined with lack of RB need is not ideal. I don't view this as an all time elite RB class, but without knowing who is all coming out yet I think it might end up in the mix for all time quality RB depth draft class.

I think there is a really strong chance that if he's not drafted by Dallas, he's drafted to a team we don't view as needing a RB.
 
He's easy RB1, not a product of hype. Has a lot of good traits but can't say that I've seen a RB that has better contact balance.

As to where he goes in the draft who knows at this point? I mean other then he's a round one lock barring a medical condition.

IMO here are some major factors impacting how high he goes.

The major plus to help him go higher is how exceptionally weak this draft class is on blue chip talent. I would go so far as to say that whoever ends up as the second ranked player in this draft(after Hunter) might not have cracked the top 12 picks last year.

The two negatives that could drop him are that the teams picking super high are not that RB needy and in general not a lot of RB needy teams in the league There is a counter to that of course, and that's Atlanta and the Lions were not RB needy when they gook Bijan and Gibbs at 8 and 12. I don't dispute that counter, just pointing out RB need is not really in his favor.

The other negatives is the incredible depth of this RB class which combined with lack of RB need is not ideal. I don't view this as an all time elite RB class, but without knowing who is all coming out yet I think it might end up in the mix for all time quality RB depth draft class.

I think there is a really strong chance that if he's not drafted by Dallas, he's drafted to a team we don't view as needing a RB.
Dallas ignored the position last year. Watch them do it again.
 
He's easy RB1, not a product of hype. Has a lot of good traits but can't say that I've seen a RB that has better contact balance.

As to where he goes in the draft who knows at this point? I mean other then he's a round one lock barring a medical condition.

IMO here are some major factors impacting how high he goes.

The major plus to help him go higher is how exceptionally weak this draft class is on blue chip talent. I would go so far as to say that whoever ends up as the second ranked player in this draft(after Hunter) might not have cracked the top 12 picks last year.

The two negatives that could drop him are that the teams picking super high are not that RB needy and in general not a lot of RB needy teams in the league There is a counter to that of course, and that's Atlanta and the Lions were not RB needy when they gook Bijan and Gibbs at 8 and 12. I don't dispute that counter, just pointing out RB need is not really in his favor.

The other negatives is the incredible depth of this RB class which combined with lack of RB need is not ideal. I don't view this as an all time elite RB class, but without knowing who is all coming out yet I think it might end up in the mix for all time quality RB depth draft class.

I think there is a really strong chance that if he's not drafted by Dallas, he's drafted to a team we don't view as needing a RB.
Dallas ignored the position last year. Watch them do it again.
He'll likely be mocked to them in high majority of drafts we see and they could be right but was their decision to ignore the RB position last off-season an organizational decision on how they value RB? If so did the results of this season change that approach to team building? I know everyone will cite Zeke but a lot has changed since that time, in particular Jerry's involvement in roster construction has waned considerably since that time.

But one constant for sure remains in Dallas and that is a very high priority of the OL and it's as weak as it's been in awhile. I'd guess that's the direction they'd prefer to go, or DL, just not sure if the talent at that position will be there when they pick.

Sorry if this was mentioned but he went to HS in the same city as the Cowboys home base/training center/headquarters. I'm sure that matters next to nothing for Dallas, but he'd probably love it.
 
Dane Brugler
Ashton Jeanty finished his historic season with an FBS-best 151 forced missed tackles (no one else has more than 94).

The gap between him and No. 2 on the list is the same as the gap between No. 2 and No. 60.
 
Question for you: First, I'm not in any SF leagues, but what if someone offered you Bo Nix and the 1.07 for the 1.01 in a SuperFlex league, would you do it?
 
That'd be a fairly straightforward yes I'd think?
I'm not in any SF either, but seems obvious to me.
I suppose you have to ask yourself three questions. First, what is Jeanty really worth in a trade? That is the most important question. Second, how bad is my team? Meaning, even with Jeanty, is my team still very bad? One could argue that I'll start with Jeanty and if I'm top 2 or 3 next year I'll just add more assets then. Third, how quickly do you want to recover from being a bad team and is Nix and the 1.07 enough for Jeanty in SF to jump start that rebuild? I believe this draft has penty enough at RB, a few WRs, and bad at QB and only a couple of TEs. Will there be something high end left at 1.07? I could see someone like Egbuka, Henderson, or Judkins being there at 1.07. Perhaps a Luther Buden, or even Omarion Hampton, but probably not. You're probably looking at the top 6 in some order as Jeanty, Ward, Sanders, McMillan, Hunter (assuming he plays WR), Hampton, and Burden. Then at 1.07, Henderson, Judkins, Johnson or Warren (if TEP 1.5 or better). So are you satisfied with what's left? Is that enough for Jeanty?
 
Last edited:
If you earned the 1.01 from being bad, you probably should make that trade. There'll be a really good RB available at 1.07. Hampton, Judkins, Johnson etc. Trading down from Jeanty to one of those and getting a young starting QB with a chance to improve even further next season with a top coach. Easy for me now I put it like that.

If you've acquired that pick and are a decent team who needs a potential superhero to send them into strong contention then you can justify sticking.
 
I would bet the farm he will be drafted in the first round (NFL), a little too much over correction from one game here.
I don't think that one game matters at all to NFL GMs, but whether he goes 1st round or early 2nd, is purely dictated by other factors, not the Penn St. game. So "over correction" in my mind is irrelevant.
 
He seems an obvious first rounder to me.

The general vibe of this upcoming draft is that there are not as many consensus RD1 evaluations as their usually are. I've read that there are normally about 20-25 on basically everyone's list and then a few disparate outliers. Seems like there are more like 15 this time around.

Anyway. I think he'll go somewhere between 10 and 25 to quite a desirable landing spot.
 
I would bet the farm he will be drafted in the first round (NFL), a little too much over correction from one game here.
I don't think that one game matters at all to NFL GMs, but whether he goes 1st round or early 2nd, is purely dictated by other factors, not the Penn St. game. So "over correction" in my mind is irrelevant.
I was speaking more in terms of the FF community over correcting their view of him based on one game. I some NFL team will happily take this guy in the first, probably first half of first round.
 
That was a dud from the stud. Penn St D that good or was he exposed a bit?
I actually thought he was really impressive tonight.
nothing special at all last night, he lost some shine
It is a good question to ask, how much did the weak schedule contribute his ridiculous numbers? This was the fourth game against a ranked team (two against barely-ranked UNLV, and two against the #1 and #4 teams in the country). Of the two games against UNLV, he was pretty well stymied in one, and ran wild in the other. Of the two "big-league games", he was his typical self against Oregon, and now of course held in check pretty well by Penn State.

I know nothing about the run defense in particular of any of their opponents. An unranked mid-major team could have exceptional run defense, and awful everything else. Similarly a top-10 team could have a horrible run defense and excellent everywhere else.
I'm sure he'll be a 2nd rounder still and depending on where he goes he'll be top 3 Rookie Pick. And honestly, that 1st half was so dam predictable... run attempt after unsuccessful run attempt
He won’t make it pass the Cowboys. If I know Jerry Jones, he was embarrassed about all the should have signed Henry talk I’m telling you don’t be shocked.

Tex
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top