How does that make him not better?
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RB Ashton Jeanty, LV (3 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
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The only knock you can find on Jeanty, and to some it's a weak one, is the competiton he had in that conferance. I don't think he's at the generational level as Adrian Peterson, but he's every bit on the talent level as Bijan Robiinson, Zeke Elliott (when he first came out and I believe led the league in rushing as a rookie), and Saquon Barkley. Will he be as good as those three? I don't know for sure, but I'm excited to find out. It's obvious that the Giants hurt Barkley overall and we saw last year what I wish he had been all along, so topping Barkley as a prospect is tough. If Jeanty lands with the right team he could be as good or better than Barkley.
Faust
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Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
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Snotbubbles
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Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Running back is one of the Dallas Cowboys' biggest needs in the upcoming NFL draft, but The Athletic's Jon Machota writes that it doesn't sound like they view it as their top priority at No. 12 overall. Boise State RB Ashton Jeanty, the consensus top running back in this year's class, could still be the pick for the Cowboys at 12th overall, but it's looking more likely that they will go in another direction. It makes sense because this year is considered to be a strong RB class, so the Cowboys could be better off targeting a back in the second or third rounds. Jeanty didn't have a formal interview with Dallas at last week's NFL Combine in Indianapolis, but there will be plenty of time for them to find a time to sit down with him before April. There are question marks about Jeanty's durability at the next level given the volume he saw in college, but he should be expected to have a major role in his first year in the NFL, depending on his landing spot.--Keith Hernandez -
So they are going to screw this up two years in a row?
So they are going to screw this up two years in a row?
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Harjiran
Footballguy
Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Peterson didn't possess the pass catching skills that Barkley had. He was far from "complete."
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Peterson is the best RB I’ve seen enter the NFL since Barry Sanders. That was before I saw him play a down in the NFL.Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Peterson didn't possess the pass catching skills that Barkley had. He was far from "complete."
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
AP was a great runner - one of the best we've ever seen.
He wasn't a great running back. He couldn't catch very well and didn't have the patience to set up the blocking in front of him.
He wasn't a great running back. He couldn't catch very well and didn't have the patience to set up the blocking in front of him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Searching for negatives about Peterson is like me finding faults with Kate Beckinsale now and I’m 65 years old.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
MY back still hurts just from watching him slam himself into the backsides if his linemen.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It’s a shame to talk trash about Peterson’s game, but you do you…..respectfully.
Gatorade
Footballguy
It's like saying Derrick Henry is not a great RB.
I loved AP and had several FF championships behind him.
I finally traded him to the one Minnesota fan in the league. That was the year he got hurt.
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Footballguy
Problem with Dallas is the amount of holes they have on this team. They have whiffed on their last two first round picks in Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton (maybe too soon to tell on Guyton). With Zach Martin retiring and UFA's Osa Odighizuwa, Demarcus Lawrence, Eric Kendricks, Rico Dowdle, Brandin Cooks and Dak being the only rostered QB - they have a lot of holes.
Dallas needs - IDL, Edge, WR, RB, MLB, OLB, OLine (if Guyton cannot improve)
Those positions are all immediate needs of starting caliber players... that will be difficult to find. I am not opposed to Jeanty but I can wrap my head around why they wouldn't take Jeanty. The Dallas defense is on life support, which goes to show you how fickle the NFL can be... Parsons had a down year, Diggs hurt, they can't stop the run. Though, I think drafting Jeanty and a strong WR would allow us to beat games but we still won't be able to compete with the Eagles.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Except Henry is a great running back. I know I'm arguing semantics here. I was a huge fan of AP (until he revealed himself to be a putz).
I'm just saying that the nuances of the position were lacking in AP - probably because he was such a gifted runner that he never needed to learn them.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Rank Tomlinson, Peterson, Simpson, Faulk, Campbell, and Dickerson.
I would rank them
Tomlinson, Dickerson, Simpson, Campbell, Peterson, Faulk
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Nah.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Have an AM beverage and tackle it later.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Peterson is the best RB I’ve seen enter the NFL since Barry Sanders. That was before I saw him play a down in the NFL.Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Peterson didn't possess the pass catching skills that Barkley had. He was far from "complete."
Best runner maybe. But that doesn't make you "complete."
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I guess Tom Brady wasn't a "complete" QB cause he can't run then??Peterson is the best RB I’ve seen enter the NFL since Barry Sanders. That was before I saw him play a down in the NFL.Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Peterson didn't possess the pass catching skills that Barkley had. He was far from "complete."
Best runner maybe. But that doesn't make you "complete."
Harjiran
Footballguy
Saquon Barkley scouting report
Saquon Barkley is a great player - maybe someday we'll look back and mention him in the same breath as the all time greats. He was hyped coming out of Penn State as the best since Peterson, an elite pospect but he had holes in his game and those holes apparently included pass catching and pass protection. I think he and AP were roughly on the same level coming out of school - AP was supposedly the best prospect since Emmitt Smith - but maybe I'm missing something. To me Jeanty looks special too but I'm not ready to say he's in the same ballpark as AP and Barkley.
Weaknesses
More elusive than he is powerful. Has modest broken tackle numbers during his career at Penn State. Plays with inconsistent leg drive through contact when working between the tackles. Will need to develop a more north/south mindset as a pro. Doesn't always trust his run crease and will look to find side doors to bounce out of. Gets too cute with stutter-steps and jukes on first level allowing help to flow to the ball. Needs a little earlier commitment on stretch plays and sweeps rather than going through extended probing. Has bouts with focus drops as pass catcher and his catch radius is limited. Inconsistent at take-on blocks in pass protection.Saquon Barkley is a great player - maybe someday we'll look back and mention him in the same breath as the all time greats. He was hyped coming out of Penn State as the best since Peterson, an elite pospect but he had holes in his game and those holes apparently included pass catching and pass protection. I think he and AP were roughly on the same level coming out of school - AP was supposedly the best prospect since Emmitt Smith - but maybe I'm missing something. To me Jeanty looks special too but I'm not ready to say he's in the same ballpark as AP and Barkley.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That and his only adequate arm strength.I guess Tom Brady wasn't a "complete" QB cause he can't run then??Peterson is the best RB I’ve seen enter the NFL since Barry Sanders. That was before I saw him play a down in the NFL.Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Peterson didn't possess the pass catching skills that Barkley had. He was far from "complete."
Best runner maybe. But that doesn't make you "complete."
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I started reading this reply and was undecided if it was going to be about AP or Kate Beckinsale.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Just for fun, not really attacking the point you're making because I do get it and that it's not just Zierline's analysis but:
Weaknesses
Can be inconsistent in his approach. Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline. Too eager to go big game hunting. Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble. Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm. Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him. Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice. Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail. Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls. Carries ball a little low in the pocket. Impatient. Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm. Better as a scrambler than pure runner. Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season...... Patrick Mahomes. Ranked 22nd in int% since 2018.
Always thought his comp of Barry Sanders for Barkley was poor.
Barkley is the my highest ranked in-coming rookie RB prospect, or even player, I've had in the almost 15 years I've been playing dynasty. Was not playing dynasty when AP came out but would have ranked him lower due to passing game role. Barkley might have had some pass pro issues but he showed he was always a threat in the passing game whereas AP always looked like a square peg in a round hole in that department.
Barkley and AP were both speed and physical build freaks. Jeanty is more along the lines of Bijan in that department, completely different build so not similar in that way but in the way I don't think there is anyting special about him with respect to size, speed, athleticism.
If I don't let what they did in the league influence me and stick to my pre-draft rankings here is how I'd rank how I had the top RB's ranked before the draft since 2010.
1. Barkley
2. Trent Richardson(I'll own it)
3. Bijan
4. Jeanty
5. Zeke
I'll note out of all of these players Zeke took the biggest rise after the draft as he got placed behind a great OL, would have moved him all the way to 2 post-draft.
Only other thing I'd note the one known bust out of the group, Trent, actually saw his value increase after his rookie year which was really good for fantasy purposes. Bijan was easily the most disappointing rookie of the group but even his value increased heading into year 2..
To me the can't miss RB prospects don't usually miss and when like Trent they do, you still could have exited for a profit after getting a year out of him. Great investments.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
That and his only adequate arm strength.I guess Tom Brady wasn't a "complete" QB cause he can't run then??Peterson is the best RB I’ve seen enter the NFL since Barry Sanders. That was before I saw him play a down in the NFL.Adrian Peterson has to be in the conversation.Next Gen Stats
Ashton Jeanty is currently the highest ranked player by the NGS overall score (95) which represents the probability of success at the NFL level.
His 98 production score ranks 2nd among RBs since 2003 behind only Bijan Robinson.
In the past 20 years, I don't remember a more complete back coming into the draft than Saquon Barkley.
Peterson didn't possess the pass catching skills that Barkley had. He was far from "complete."
Best runner maybe. But that doesn't make you "complete."
We're not discussing where they were at the end of their career we're discussing what they were as prospects. Tom Brady has some significant deficiencies when he was drafted that he had to overcome. I don't think any reasonable person would say he was one of the greatest draft prospect at QB.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’d kiss every cow’s butt in Texas if he isn’t the 1,01 in 90% + in all dynasty leagues, Superflex or not.I have the 1.1 in one league so might as well finallythis thread.
joey
Footballguy
Well, in my league he’s not making it past the 1.01I’d kiss every cow’s butt in Texas if he isn’t the 1,01 in 90% + in all dynasty leagues, Superflex or not.I have the 1.1 in one league so might as well finally
(HULK)
(Smash)
It's easy to talk trash about him off the field though. Hitting his elementary age son in the balls with a stick repeatedly makes him a forever villain in my eyes.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought we were talking about football
elguapo07
Footballguy
Take my word, she snores
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’ll get her a CPAP machine.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Sorry, I just have a grudge against him. He is actually what finally broke me and got me to turn in my Washington season tickets when they signed him. I put up with a lot from Snyder, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I've seen the pictures from the incident. AP is a terrible human being and I hate how easily he got away with abusing his children.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Shouldn’t have any bearing on this discussion.
The below quotes from the first link seem odd to me -- not that teams may prefer Hampton to Jeanty necessarily but that there is a potential fumbling issue due to arm length. IDK if that is true nor of course can we be sure that the quotes accurately reflect what one NFC team is thinking...
"Jeanty had some problems with fumbling, and when they measure at the combine from the wrist to the shoulder because that is where you snug the football in."
"I had an executive from an NFC team tell me at dinner that the measurements of Jeanty was smaller there, and they think that may have something to do with the fumbling. I heard that from more than one person by the way."
"With Jeanty that was a concern. I think everybody still thinks he is a great back but in the NFL he is going to be facing a much bigger level of competition a much higher and stronger level of competition. And if there are fumbling issues that you cannot fix ... That issue is now being looked at with Jeanty. Is that something you can fix with how you hold the ball? But I can tell you this now, Omarion Hampton now has overtaken him as the top guy."
eighsse2
Footballguy
Yeah, weird. That isn't even what I would intuitively think. The shorter the arm, the more tightly I would think you could hold the ball, given fixed strength. Until of course you get to the point that the arm is so short that you can't actually wrap the hand around it.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Agree, definitely an odd argument (nitpick IMO) to make regarding arm length. Why don't we question bicep size then? A running back with massive bicep is taking up a disproportionate volume of the natural cradle used to carry the ball. We need more noodle armed running backs to help ball security. Cmon now lol.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I know he had a couple fumbles in his last game, but how many did he have before that in his college career?
King of the Jungle
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Hopefully he doesn't have Dobbins knees.
lardonastick
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