barackdhouse
Footballguy
yeah I got my wires crossed, I copped to it above
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RB Bhayshul Tuten, JAX (2 Viewers)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Tuten caught 91 balls for just under 900 yards throughout college. But yeah I had Skattebo wrong.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yes but most of those yards were in D2. I'm not sure if it's something with Virginia Tech's scheme or what, but in D1 his receiving metrics were poor. 2024 in particular, 3.5 yards per CATCH on 20+ catches is something I've never seen before. It was almost more believable that they left off a zero via typo but it was in fact correct.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I did choose Tuten twice over Skateboo. I like the situation much better. Maybe I should have split the difference here, but I went with the high upside player.
Plus my guy JJ Z has this guy fairly high and he’s come through in the past for me. So that was my roll of the dice.
Plus my guy JJ Z has this guy fairly high and he’s come through in the past for me. So that was my roll of the dice.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I got him in 4 of 6 dynasty leagues
RC94
Footballguy
Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
warpig33
Footballguy
Mayhaps he just offered up garbage to get the trade talks started? He expected a counter mayhaps? Usually if it is something like that it's just an ice breaker. If he would have offered a bunch of garbage players/picks, then he's just a d*mb@s$.Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
Birdie048
Footballguy
Actually, that was the whole offer from Tuesday... but today, he replied/countered and added GB WR Doubs as a "sweetener" with the 4.07 .Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
I declined as I have Jayden Reed and I don't need any more GB WR.
I countered his initial offer with Min RB A Jones (he has Mason), JAX RB Tuten & SF WR Jauan Jennings for Cinn WR Tee Higgins & TB RB Sean Tucker. He declined immediately
RC94
Footballguy
That's some real jerkitude right there to offer 4.07 as a real offer. Adding Doubs wouldn't change anything regardless, obviously. I'm glad nobody in my leagues act like that.Actually, that was the whole offer from Tuesday... but today, he replied/countered and added GB WR Doubs as a "sweetener" with the 4.07 .Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
I declined as I have Jayden Reed and I don't need any more GB WR.
I countered his initial offer with Min RB A Jones (he has Mason), JAX RB Tuten & SF WR Jauan Jennings for Cinn WR Tee Higgins & TB RB Sean Tucker. He declined immediately
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I realize I might be in the minority bc I'm quite a bit lower on Higgins then the community; but I think that was a great offer tbh and if I was him I think I would have accepted. It will come down to how quickly Aiyuk not only comes back, but takes to return to form; but especially if we baked in their start up values, give me Jennings over Higgins 9 times out of 10 (WR17 vs WR50). I'd be dumb to make the bet straight up, but add in Vegas odds and I'd happily lay money on Jennings having a better season than Higgins next year.Actually, that was the whole offer from Tuesday... but today, he replied/countered and added GB WR Doubs as a "sweetener" with the 4.07 .Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
I declined as I have Jayden Reed and I don't need any more GB WR.
I countered his initial offer with Min RB A Jones (he has Mason), JAX RB Tuten & SF WR Jauan Jennings for Cinn WR Tee Higgins & TB RB Sean Tucker. He declined immediately
Birdie048
Footballguy
While I agree Jauan Jennings should start 2025 as a better Fantasy value, I don't expect him to be a long term value, thus the offer I made.I realize I might be in the minority bc I'm quite a bit lower on Higgins then the community; but I think that was a great offer tbh and if I was him I think I would have accepted. It will come down to how quickly Aiyuk not only comes back, but takes to return to form; but especially if we baked in their start up values, give me Jennings over Higgins 9 times out of 10 (WR17 vs WR50). I'd be dumb to make the bet straight up, but add in Vegas odds and I'd happily lay money on Jennings having a better season than Higgins next year.Actually, that was the whole offer from Tuesday... but today, he replied/countered and added GB WR Doubs as a "sweetener" with the 4.07 .Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
I declined as I have Jayden Reed and I don't need any more GB WR.
I countered his initial offer with Min RB A Jones (he has Mason), JAX RB Tuten & SF WR Jauan Jennings for Cinn WR Tee Higgins & TB RB Sean Tucker. He declined immediately
Aiyuk will certainly start slow (even if he starts week 5-6), but Kittle, CMC and Pearsall will be getting majority of the targets around midseason.
Add that Jennings at 27 for a "breakout" was more opportunity than talent. Granted Tee is 26 but has been Top 20 WR for a few seasons.
This all comes down to I was not giving away Tuten cheap. I see him as a potential RB2 for my team. Walker/Charbs and Kamara/Miller holding down the fort, but always need Bye/Injury depth
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Oh sure, even I would value Tee way over Jennings. I just have the two closer than most; so in your proposed trade plus adding Tuten and Jones on top, I could see me biting on that one. I'm with you that I like the prospects of Tuten. Even if he never becomes the "lead" back there, I think he can/will hold value for a while there.While I agree Jauan Jennings should start 2025 as a better Fantasy value, I don't expect him to be a long term value, thus the offer I made.I realize I might be in the minority bc I'm quite a bit lower on Higgins then the community; but I think that was a great offer tbh and if I was him I think I would have accepted. It will come down to how quickly Aiyuk not only comes back, but takes to return to form; but especially if we baked in their start up values, give me Jennings over Higgins 9 times out of 10 (WR17 vs WR50). I'd be dumb to make the bet straight up, but add in Vegas odds and I'd happily lay money on Jennings having a better season than Higgins next year.Actually, that was the whole offer from Tuesday... but today, he replied/countered and added GB WR Doubs as a "sweetener" with the 4.07 .Seriously? There has to be more to this. I can't see someone offering 4.07 straight up for a player just taken at 2.09. He must have meant to include more.Feel lucky to pick him up at 2.09 in my 12 Team ppr draft
And then I get an offer for the 4.07 for him!!
I declined as I have Jayden Reed and I don't need any more GB WR.
I countered his initial offer with Min RB A Jones (he has Mason), JAX RB Tuten & SF WR Jauan Jennings for Cinn WR Tee Higgins & TB RB Sean Tucker. He declined immediately
Aiyuk will certainly start slow (even if he starts week 5-6), but Kittle, CMC and Pearsall will be getting majority of the targets around midseason.
Add that Jennings at 27 for a "breakout" was more opportunity than talent. Granted Tee is 26 but has been Top 20 WR for a few seasons.
This all comes down to I was not giving away Tuten cheap. I see him as a potential RB2 for my team. Walker/Charbs and Kamara/Miller holding down the fort, but always need Bye/Injury depth
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Most important number there was the quarter: 4th.
eighsse2
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Ya darn tuten
Sean Mitchell
"A lot of run for Bhayshul Tuten in team period with Trevor Lawrence & co. Liam Coen was very complimentary of his tough running vs. Steelers"
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It's right here.... @rockaction and @JohnnyU
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Latest blurb:
According to Travis Holmes of Big Cat Country, Jaguars rookie running back Bhayshul Tuten appears to be pulling ahead in the RB competition during team practices. Holmes noted that Tuten "looks like a hard man to take off the field." While veteran running backs Travis Etienne Jr. and Tank Bigsby have been given more opportunities with the first team during training camp, the fourth-round rookie has been making a strong case to take the starting job. During his preseason debut, Tuten ran the ball six times and picked up 24 yards and a rushing score. Even though he was deployed as the No. 3 running back in this game, seeing him flash more potential during practice should quickly push him up the depth chart. Last season, Etienne had a disappointing campaign, posting a career-low 3.7 YPC. For now, Tuten remains an intriguing late-round target in drafts as he could slowly take over the starting job as the season progresses.--Andy Smith
According to Travis Holmes of Big Cat Country, Jaguars rookie running back Bhayshul Tuten appears to be pulling ahead in the RB competition during team practices. Holmes noted that Tuten "looks like a hard man to take off the field." While veteran running backs Travis Etienne Jr. and Tank Bigsby have been given more opportunities with the first team during training camp, the fourth-round rookie has been making a strong case to take the starting job. During his preseason debut, Tuten ran the ball six times and picked up 24 yards and a rushing score. Even though he was deployed as the No. 3 running back in this game, seeing him flash more potential during practice should quickly push him up the depth chart. Last season, Etienne had a disappointing campaign, posting a career-low 3.7 YPC. For now, Tuten remains an intriguing late-round target in drafts as he could slowly take over the starting job as the season progresses.--Andy Smith
Gatorade
Footballguy
I see both threads
rockaction
Footballguy
Before I say anything about hamster wheels and hydro-powered electricity I'll just let this be.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Had to unignore rockaction in order to see the thread on the search because he started it. I don't agree with this. @Joe Bryant A definite bug IMO. This causes a duplicate thread to be posted if it doesn't display on the search.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
ok so meanwhile back at the bat cave...
There seem to be a lot of weapons now in Jacksonville. Tuten is one of many. Will Trevor Lawrence be able to take a step forward though?
There seem to be a lot of weapons now in Jacksonville. Tuten is one of many. Will Trevor Lawrence be able to take a step forward though?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think the big thing for Tuten is to make a splash early. If he does, then wheels up, at least for enough work to build on going forward. Will he be fantasy relevant? Probably not, but you never kinow. If he looks good this year I can definitely see him being very relevant in the future.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, watching his highlights and then seeing his times flash across the screen at the combine led one to believe that he might be a force to be reckoned with.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Would you say you were… rootin’ for a Tuten?
King Tuten then to the moon.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Too bad I.M. Hipp had a great name but never amounted to anything in the NFL.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
He's a solid RB. As a VT alum, it's hard to predict his NFL career simply because his OL at VT was horrid. But so was his competition. He has the legs and a good first move. I'm not so sure about the vision, which IMO is why he fumbles often.
I thought Khalil Herbert was better. And he's done mostly nothing of fantasy relevance.
These RBs get about 2 years to prove they belong before NFL GMs move to the next guy. Better get it done quickly young man. Rooting for him.
I thought Khalil Herbert was better. And he's done mostly nothing of fantasy relevance.
These RBs get about 2 years to prove they belong before NFL GMs move to the next guy. Better get it done quickly young man. Rooting for him.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
100%, and IMO this also speaks to the likelihood of being given chances during those 2 years. In other words, these guys were drafted to be used. Whether it pans out or not, yeah that is an open question but not for long.
Y'all got me on this guy. I've even added him but his lack of time with the ones has me hoping he can get a hangnail injury and sit on my IR spot.
I read this more like mid season or week six or somesuch type replacement.
When a third stringer gets time with the ones then goes back to third string I assume the coach wanted a look.
I read this more like mid season or week six or somesuch type replacement.
When a third stringer gets time with the ones then goes back to third string I assume the coach wanted a look.
He looked good, did not have a lot of holes to operate and did not get in until the backups took over.
TBH all of their top 4 RB's looked pretty good. They might have the best #3 and #4 RB situation in the league and Tank had the best play of the day and ETN broke off a few chunk plays.
It's mind boggling difficult, at least for me, trying to forecast how this unfold especially with LeQuint Allen being a legit possiblity to be gameday active and dominate the third down role.
No team is more positioned to trade a RB then the Jags IMO and that would really mean the two this regime did not pick. I'd have to think if something tangible was offered in return they'd be interested but the RB trade market is not exactly hopping right now.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
it's gonna be a 3 headed monster in Jax. Good for them for real football. Tough for us.
He looks good to me though. Tank does run well IMO but he has made a couple big mistakes in the first 2 games. Not sure if it will mean anything but I think the opening is there for Tuten to take over most of Bigsby's role which continues to include being an option in the passing game. Bigsby keeps dropping them though and if Tuten can be as good between the tackles then he really might take over most of this backfield. I don't see ETN being an early down thumper but I could see a scenario where Bigsby is relegated to the bench. I think there is a world where Tuten gets 12-15 carries with 3 or 4 targets, ETN gets 6-10 carries with 5-6 targets and Bigsby gets scraps.
(I'm a bit of a Bigsby believer actually but if he keeps balking he's going to be in the doghouse) My guess is 3 headed monster.
He looks good to me though. Tank does run well IMO but he has made a couple big mistakes in the first 2 games. Not sure if it will mean anything but I think the opening is there for Tuten to take over most of Bigsby's role which continues to include being an option in the passing game. Bigsby keeps dropping them though and if Tuten can be as good between the tackles then he really might take over most of this backfield. I don't see ETN being an early down thumper but I could see a scenario where Bigsby is relegated to the bench. I think there is a world where Tuten gets 12-15 carries with 3 or 4 targets, ETN gets 6-10 carries with 5-6 targets and Bigsby gets scraps.
(I'm a bit of a Bigsby believer actually but if he keeps balking he's going to be in the doghouse) My guess is 3 headed monster.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
yep, was just thinking the same thing
socrates
Footballguy
Bigsby got the start. Only 2 carries, but he had a real nice 19 yard reception that showcased his vision. (New Orleans did not play their ones on defense, for what it is worth.)
Etienne was the first RB off the bench. He looked explosive on a big 16-17 yard run up the gut on 2nd and 2, running hard and shedding tackles. He followed that up with a strong run on short yardage to put them into first and goal. I thought Etienne looked considerably better than last season, but it is one series against backups, so perhaps the only takeaway is that he was second in the RB rotation today, for whatever that is worth.
Tuten entered the game along with Mullens at QB in the waning minute of the first quarter on the Jags' 3rd drive. Tuten looked solid, running hard and getting everything blocked for him, and more. He has good forward lean and keeps his legs moving, something I really wanted to see from him. We know he has speed to rip off the long runs, but I was most interested in how he runs inside. The corner market isn't always open. Also, his hands look very natural and soft, but he was only targeted once.
LeQuint Allen handled the running duties on the next series. He is a plodder, but he displays good vision and patience. Allen also looked decent in pass pro. I don't know that Allen will make the squad, but he is worth mentioning.
Tuten quickly substituted back in for Allen, and you could definitely see the contrast in burst from Tuten, but what impressed me most again was his inside running. Three consecutive runs and a score. The O-line looked dominant, but Tuten did his part.
Allen came in on the next series. He has excellent hands, and he is a creative runner, but he looks dreadfully slow and deliberate. His pass pro and A+ receiving ability could earn him a roster spot, but he is not going to unseat any of the backs ahead of him for regular duty work. He could definitely find some receiving work, however.
Tuten opened the second half in the backfield. More of the same from him. His ypc from this game won't tell the whole story. He ran under control and almost strictly up the middle. Very efficient work from him. I was impressed with his inside vision and physicality. He really battled for every yard. His final statline is a ho-hum 10 carries for 35 yards and 1 TD, along with the one reception for 6 yards. As I say, that really doesn't tell the whole story and is no cause for concern. Perhaps the concern is that Tuten was 3rd in the rotation. There has been some rumbling about a potential Etienne trade. No idea if that happens, but if it does not, opportunities for Tuten may be limited in a crowded backfield.
pinequick
Footballguy
This is spectacular posting.
socrates
Footballguy
Thank you, my friend.
I considered Allen the best pass pro RB in the draft. When you say regular duty work I'm not sure if you include owning the third down role but I think I do think that's a role he could own and I consider that regular duty work.
socrates
Footballguy
I agree. Allen looked good in pass protection and very natural as a receiver. He could definitely be a factor as a third-down back, a role he may be better suited for than any other back on the roster. I was merely referring to early-down duties.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
he did look good
every touch in tuten’s second preseason game
