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RB Bhayshul Tuten, JAX (2 Viewers)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Bump City. Couldn't have got much better news for his prospects than for them to move Bigsby. ETN obviously looked really good but this guy just got a promotion.
(LeQuint Allen did see passing down snaps BTW)
(LeQuint Allen did see passing down snaps BTW)
massraider
Footballguy
I think it moved
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Fire up your Tutens
barackdhouse
Footballguy
wow, made that look easy. it's happening.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Saw some online expert calling Toots as sleeper start…
The Frankman
Footballguy
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Glad I picked him up like an hour before the Jags played. He looks like an up and comer.
Would be amazing. Would also be a lot though. But he looked electric. He is what I wanted Treyveon to look like so far. I have him starting over Tyron Tracy as of right now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Nobody really knows, urbanhack. I’ve been paying plenty of attention but not writing about it so much because it’s all a ton of speculation and Etienne has done well if you take a surface look at the numbers. I think even if you dig a little deeper Etienne has been pretty good and Tuten is a rookie with a rep for inadequate ball security.
He is listed in the top five of handcuff backs and Establish The Run and other analytics freaks have him as the number one,
So we wait.
Yes, it's the standard going forward.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I was waiting for him to break out but now I need him to breakout a little sooner, lets go Tooty
rockaction
Footballguy
This is a PFF blurb about him.
www.pff.com
Fantasy Football: Rookie running back prospect model
Jon Macri reveals his rookie running back prospect model, which should be leveraged by fantasy football managers.
www.pff.com
rockaction
Footballguy
See Allen's thread.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Starting to wonder if this guy is just mid
Heard so much hype but he doesn't ever really show you a flash of anything
Heard so much hype but he doesn't ever really show you a flash of anything
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah I roster him and traded Bill (Jacory Croskey-Merritt) for him, so full disclosure.
I know Hartitz makes his usual prescient and good point with his tongue firmly in his cheek, but I think he's doing it (and I can't ever know his motive fully) to tweak the contingent of analysts who are waiting almost ghoulishly for Tuten to take over from Etienne. I do know that nobody saw LeQuint Allen as anything but a pass catching back in the NFL. I don't know where that stands now, but that's pretty universal and his usage bears it out. I like Allen and would like to have rostered him for the future, but I did not do that.
That said, Coen did like Allen's pass pro and other stuff, but I don't think he and Tuten are quite competing for a role just yet. I know as soon as Tuten wound up limited in practice due to his shoulder (three or four weeks now) that every rate stat of his went down. By quite a decent amount.
I don't think either are ready to take over for Etienne. I don't think Etienne runs as poorly as film guys like Waldman think nor coaches who like success rate and positive yards think. Coen was very complimentary of Etienne while acknowledging impliedly that while Etienne wasn't his guy Etienne had really gotten with the program during the late off-season and through the year. I don't know what Coen wants or will do out of the bye week. I know Bucky Irving took over last year in the Tampa backfield and went on to success, but that was definitely earned with constant improvement and what seemed to me to be notably superior stats when compared to Rachaad White's.
We will see, but there's a whole lot that Hartitz takes for granted there to be brief and witty, and while I think he's saying it fairly seriously and as a fact, he also has a specific, fantasy industry meta-impact in mind.
I know Hartitz makes his usual prescient and good point with his tongue firmly in his cheek, but I think he's doing it (and I can't ever know his motive fully) to tweak the contingent of analysts who are waiting almost ghoulishly for Tuten to take over from Etienne. I do know that nobody saw LeQuint Allen as anything but a pass catching back in the NFL. I don't know where that stands now, but that's pretty universal and his usage bears it out. I like Allen and would like to have rostered him for the future, but I did not do that.
That said, Coen did like Allen's pass pro and other stuff, but I don't think he and Tuten are quite competing for a role just yet. I know as soon as Tuten wound up limited in practice due to his shoulder (three or four weeks now) that every rate stat of his went down. By quite a decent amount.
I don't think either are ready to take over for Etienne. I don't think Etienne runs as poorly as film guys like Waldman think nor coaches who like success rate and positive yards think. Coen was very complimentary of Etienne while acknowledging impliedly that while Etienne wasn't his guy Etienne had really gotten with the program during the late off-season and through the year. I don't know what Coen wants or will do out of the bye week. I know Bucky Irving took over last year in the Tampa backfield and went on to success, but that was definitely earned with constant improvement and what seemed to me to be notably superior stats when compared to Rachaad White's.
We will see, but there's a whole lot that Hartitz takes for granted there to be brief and witty, and while I think he's saying it fairly seriously and as a fact, he also has a specific, fantasy industry meta-impact in mind.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Little follow up from Ian. As I suspected. He's responding to the analysts pushing Tuten and not considering other factors in Etienne's pretty big drop off in not only fantasy points, but I think things like forced missed tackles and yards after contact. I do not have access to those stats and am not comfortable using Fantasy Pros or Sumer Sports because while Sumer seems to me to probably be the most accurate, I think these guys use PFF and it seems like industry standard, so I don't know for sure about the secondary stats they might be using.
Jacob Gibbs
@jagibbs_23
2h
Ian, I’ll stop pumping Tuten hype if you’ll stop the hate
Ian Hartitz
@Ihartitz
·1h
keeping on going with the Tuten hype my friend -- more so the anti-ETN agenda out there that annoys me, whole Jags offense has dropped off last few weeks with YBC/pressure rate and all that with a pretty tough schedule and don't feel like that's generally being considered.
Jacob Gibbs
@jagibbs_23
2h
Ian, I’ll stop pumping Tuten hype if you’ll stop the hate
Ian Hartitz
@Ihartitz
·1h
keeping on going with the Tuten hype my friend -- more so the anti-ETN agenda out there that annoys me, whole Jags offense has dropped off last few weeks with YBC/pressure rate and all that with a pretty tough schedule and don't feel like that's generally being considered.
@rockaction
Not to derail the thread; however, there is some observation out there that PFF grades are perhaps not as reliable as they once were:
Not to derail the thread; however, there is some observation out there that PFF grades are perhaps not as reliable as they once were:
I lean towards thinking this backfield will look like a full blown RBBC coming out the bye IF he's healthy enough for the workload with whatever is ailing his shoulder.
I will say I think the loss of Brenton Strange has impacted the entire running game and that's led to some dropoff in production from ETN so me to believe his role will look a lot more like a full blown RBBC is more about him and his ability, then ETN's drop off.
I will say I think the loss of Brenton Strange has impacted the entire running game and that's led to some dropoff in production from ETN so me to believe his role will look a lot more like a full blown RBBC is more about him and his ability, then ETN's drop off.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
The Tuten love has gotten crazy. Considering picking him up in a short bench but I can’t see anything more than a RBBC
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think any of this is totally wrong. It's pretty close to what I think. But I've always underestimated the coaching dislike of Etienne. None of the insiders in the game seem to love him. The film guys don't. The data guys don't. The freaking college draftniks really didn't. The pros wanted him to run tons of routes on his pro day in an abnormal way, IIRC, because they were looking at him as maybe a hybrid receiver (that might have been standard operating procedure and I do not know that nor have an authoritative voice or knowledge of that).
But yeah, I can see where Hartitz is bent out of shape over the "Etienne, please move to the side here's the fourth-round rook" sentiment. I wonder what @Ilov80s thinks about this. I've always sort of deferred to him, and he's been, for the most part, generally correct if maybe a touch ebullient about ETN.
I think— I don't know what I think because I don't know Liam Coen from Adam and Eve and I have no idea other than from Tampa what he might do. I've always thought Etienne was golden until he wasn't. His drop-offs come hard and fast, and then there's no really coming back from them, in my experience.
eta* had to change a word because it changes the entire meaning of my post. Underestimated.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I dont have it handy but I heard on a pod, Cohen's quote into or during the bye is "we've got to get to where we have our best players on the field"
Which most interpreted to mean Hunter but I guess could in theory mean Tuten.
But is Tuten just a workout warrior type at this point?
Which most interpreted to mean Hunter but I guess could in theory mean Tuten.
But is Tuten just a workout warrior type at this point?
I'm really not sure why you would say that.
Opportunities have been his issue in an offense that has ETN and a designated passing down back but to my eye he's looked excellent when given a chance with some really eye opening movement/plays.
Also has some really strong metrics which I only know about because of someone I follow on X who has been pumping him up. Metrics could be described as a little cherry picking, but it's top 1 or 2 in the league kind of stuff for those cherry picked metrics.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Because for any metric, they dont include results. So far. I own him everywhere. I'm holding over this bye week and its not easy. But its fair to wonder if he's just metrics and measurable and not a player, he has not one highlight to hang your hat on.
If we are status quo out of the bye, its time to ask what are we waiting for an hoping for. It'll be week 10 and he wouldn't have been able to beat out Etienne.
Really not following.
He absolutely has some impressive highlights and his metrics do include results. Maybe not the results you want for your fantasy team but he produces when he's called upon.
I never expected him to beat out ETN or would consider that an indictment if he does not though I do expect him to start getting a larger share.
Not sure what kind of leagues you play when you ask what we waiting on but obviously in dynasty ETN is in the last year of his deal and I don't play in any leagues were a RB an injury away from being a league winner is available.
I don't mean to be rude when I say this, I just think your early expectations are out whack.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Does he have a run longer than ten yards?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I mean, it could also mean benching Lawrence since he sucks
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Can't say I have a great read. The dropoff in ETN the last few weeks is surprising but I also don't see anything concrete enough to expect Tuten to get some big increase or perform better. He hasnt touched the ball more than 5 times in the last month, isn't making explosive plays, isn't doing much in the passing game.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
It would have been very interesting if they had Mac Jones but Lawrence is pretty safe
zamboni
Footballguy
What’s to make anyone think that Tuten is one of those players?
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I am pretty huge on buying Tuten and the reason I am holding strong to that inclination is everything mentioned today.
We think it will be an RBBC - that isn't a bold statement. Coen came from a committee but eventually Bucky was too good to ignore and I believe that about Tuten. I believe, regardless of what Coen is willing to say on mic, he feels the same way. I drafted ETN in almost all of my redrafts because the value didn't match the start of the season. I ended up selling Etienne early, regrettably Saquon Barkley was the focal point of that package, because I thought I could stash Tuten for late in the season.
I do believe we will see more of a mix from this backfield but that only benefits Tuten, as he is getting minimal usage right now.
We think it will be an RBBC - that isn't a bold statement. Coen came from a committee but eventually Bucky was too good to ignore and I believe that about Tuten. I believe, regardless of what Coen is willing to say on mic, he feels the same way. I drafted ETN in almost all of my redrafts because the value didn't match the start of the season. I ended up selling Etienne early, regrettably Saquon Barkley was the focal point of that package, because I thought I could stash Tuten for late in the season.
I do believe we will see more of a mix from this backfield but that only benefits Tuten, as he is getting minimal usage right now.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
absolutely nothing, but just trying to parse some coach speak. Etienne has been flat for 3 weeks, but they've also faced better teams.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I just realized I read this wrong I thought you were advocating for tuten lol, reading is fundamental my bad
I’m in. I picked him up right before MNF where I could. Why the hell not.
