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RB Braelon Allen, NYJ (1 Viewer)

Now with Breece most likely playing, think I'm dropping him.

Not going to start him regardless this week. If I'm lucky enough to get to next week if Hall is out, I'd have my choice of either Allen or Davis on the wire...and not sure I'd even go for either.

Probably drop for someone who could jump into the starters role like Vidal
 
Zack Rosenblatt
Why #Jets players can’t stop throwing shade at the last coaching staff, and other lessons learned from training camp so far (including why I think the RB room is more 1A/1B with Breece Hall and Braelon Allen than 1-2):

@32BeatWriters
“The RB room might be more 1A-1B than 1-2
This isn’t so much a knock on Hall as it is praise for Allen: The Jets are going to have a hard time keeping Allen off the field in 2025.”
 
Good news as seen in the post above is he's been getting steady praise for a variety of things, arguably more praise then anyone on the offensive side.

Bad news is he's dealing with a knee issue. Held him out Tuesday citing knee soreness and having planned team day off Wednesday would give him two days to rest but was not present at opening of practice today.
 
Not feeling this dude's hype. Kid looked awesome for the first five minutes of last season. The final 55, he looked meh as can be.

Why was that? What's different now?

He averaged 3.6 YPC across the entire season. From week 5 on, he ran for 3.0 YPC or less in nine of 13 games. And below 4.0 YPC in three of the other four. :sick:
 
What's different now?

Well he did just turn 21 like 3 months ago.
Perhaps he improved??
Also to point out while RB is not the most complex position to learn he only moved to RB in HS after some injuries hit and did not play RB much in HS. Was recruited to Wisconsin as a LB.

Counting his entire HS and college career he only had 744 carries entering last year, now 836. Again that's HS, college and NFL and in the context of his age it's very reasonable to think he can ascend, learn how to become a more natural runner.
 
Not feeling this dude's hype. Kid looked awesome for the first five minutes of last season. The final 55, he looked meh as can be.

Why was that? What's different now?

He averaged 3.6 YPC across the entire season. From week 5 on, he ran for 3.0 YPC or less in nine of 13 games. And below 4.0 YPC in three of the other four. :sick:
He was the best short yardage runner in the NFL last season.
 
Not feeling this dude's hype. Kid looked awesome for the first five minutes of last season. The final 55, he looked meh as can be.

Why was that? What's different now?

He averaged 3.6 YPC across the entire season. From week 5 on, he ran for 3.0 YPC or less in nine of 13 games. And below 4.0 YPC in three of the other four. :sick:

Oh boy

So the Jets coaches are raving about him and LawFitz didn't see enough from him as a 20 year old rookie.

I think we should ignore the coaches and listen to LawFitz.
 
Not feeling this dude's hype. Kid looked awesome for the first five minutes of last season. The final 55, he looked meh as can be.

Why was that? What's different now?

He averaged 3.6 YPC across the entire season. From week 5 on, he ran for 3.0 YPC or less in nine of 13 games. And below 4.0 YPC in three of the other four. :sick:

Oh boy

So the Jets coaches are raving about him and LawFitz didn't see enough from him as a 20 year old rookie.

I think we should ignore the coaches and listen to LawFitz.

Why do you feel the need to make this personal? I refrain from responding in kind.
 
Why do you feel the need to make this personal? I refrain from responding in kind.

I mean, you're using the lauging emoji on other posts in this thread.

Uh, I took that comment as a joke. As in he avg'd 3.6 YPC... He was the best short yardage runner in the NFL.

Your comment was straight up **** though. Own it.
How does 3.6 YPC contradict being a good or even the best short yardage runner? Do you expect him to get 5 YPC when the play is trying for 1-3 yards?
 
Why do you feel the need to make this personal? I refrain from responding in kind.

I mean, you're using the lauging emoji on other posts in this thread.

Uh, I took that comment as a joke. As in he avg'd 3.6 YPC... He was the best short yardage runner in the NFL.

Your comment was straight up **** though. Own it.
How does 3.6 YPC contradict being a good or even the best short yardage runner? Do you expect him to get 5 YPC when the play is trying for 1-3 yards?

I said nothing about him being a good short yardage runner, other than misinterpreting that statement as a joke earlier, based on his overall low YPC.

But take out his 16 runs with one or two yards to go (of which he converted an excellent 14, and avg'd 3.3 YPC vs. the league avg of 3.2), and he still has a 3.7 YPC on his remaining runs.
 
Allen is young and flashed last year. I roster Hall in dynasty and I’m nervous (I also roster I. Davis so I’m doubly vexed by this dude). I wouldn’t look too hard at YPC, but if you do then you should look at Breece’s nearly half-yard advantage (0.6, I think).
 
Allen is young and flashed last year. I roster Hall in dynasty and I’m nervous (I also roster I. Davis so I’m doubly vexed by this dude). I wouldn’t look too hard at YPC, but if you do then you should look at Breece’s nearly half-yard advantage (0.6, I think).
I feel good about Hall in dynasty. Unlikely the Jets extend him, Maybe he goes to a team that actually has an offense and values him. Chiefs, Vikings, Bears and Seahawks all may be looking for a RB1 next year and would be upgrades.
 
Why do you feel the need to make this personal? I refrain from responding in kind.

I mean, you're using the lauging emoji on other posts in this thread.

Uh, I took that comment as a joke. As in he avg'd 3.6 YPC... He was the best short yardage runner in the NFL.

Your comment was straight up **** though. Own it.
How does 3.6 YPC contradict being a good or even the best short yardage runner? Do you expect him to get 5 YPC when the play is trying for 1-3 yards?

I said nothing about him being a good short yardage runner, other than misinterpreting that statement as a joke earlier, based on his overall low YPC.

But take out his 16 runs with one or two yards to go (of which he converted an excellent 14, and avg'd 3.3 YPC vs. the league avg of 3.2), and he still has a 3.7 YPC on his remaining runs.
I didn't attribute that statement to you. I was commenting because you laugh reacted at someone else saying it.
 
Glenn has discussed many times how they plan to run a lot and be efficient on offense. On the radio, he's been compared to some Parcells teams.

I definitely think both backs get work. Maybe plenty of it.
But predicting how much is a problem because they've each had their moments.

The line seems to have pass pro issues but doing well blocking for the run
 
Glenn has discussed many times how they plan to run a lot and be efficient on offense. On the radio, he's been compared to some Parcells teams.

I definitely think both backs get work. Maybe plenty of it.
But predicting how much is a problem because they've each had their moments.

The line seems to have pass pro issues but doing well blocking for the run
I own him in dynasty and he was very, very disappointing last year. Only Swift was worse than him in rush yards over expected. This does not mean that he can't improve (see Brandon Jacobs as a perfect comp), but it is not a great sign. Plus, Isaiah Davis isn't going anywhere. I am holding him as I think some of his inefficiencies were were tied to an abhorrent offensive line, but I am not as high on him as I was last year at this time. Perfect late-round deep-league flyer, but I would not consider him a premium handcuff.
 
Glenn has discussed many times how they plan to run a lot and be efficient on offense. On the radio, he's been compared to some Parcells teams.

I definitely think both backs get work. Maybe plenty of it.
But predicting how much is a problem because they've each had their moments.

The line seems to have pass pro issues but doing well blocking for the run
I own him in dynasty and he was very, very disappointing last year. Only Swift was worse than him in rush yards over expected. This does not mean that he can't improve (see Brandon Jacobs as a perfect comp), but it is not a great sign. Plus, Isaiah Davis isn't going anywhere. I am holding him as I think some of his inefficiencies were were tied to an abhorrent offensive line, but I am not as high on him as I was last year at this time. Perfect late-round deep-league flyer, but I would not consider him a premium handcuff.

I don't know, man. He's getting raves in camp and it seems Davis is a distant second. I also wouldn't be surprised if something happened with Breece and a trade. I just wouldn't. I root for the Jets, although I haven't followed as closely as I normally do. But the drumbeat is pretty loud.
 
He has Derrick Henry lite measurables if this young pup is still growing into a big dog.

Problem is Henry has proven able to withstand the battle and at least at 20 last year, Allen did not. Henry didn't light the fire his rookie year either, and was older, so I continue to concede that point. BUT, from what I see of him this preseason, this is a dude who wants to be a power/speed RB - and traditionally, outside of Henry and a very small few others, that style doesn't last seasons, yet less careers. Wishing him the opposite, I am, but this has been my concern for him for some time, and last year's wear down did not help. We'll have to see if a few beers and pounds will make a difference - for him and me.
 
How come Allen is going so late in drafts? From reports it sounds like the staff wants to lean more into Allen this year and at worst case he is a high-end handcuff.

Why isn't there more buzz around Braelon?
 
How come Allen is going so late in drafts? From reports it sounds like the staff wants to lean more into Allen this year and at worst case he is a high-end handcuff.

Why isn't there more buzz around Braelon?

I think the buzz is there...it is the trust that is suspect...it is the Jets and there was some buzz las year that really didn't translate to stats.
 
How come Allen is going so late in drafts? From reports it sounds like the staff wants to lean more into Allen this year and at worst case he is a high-end handcuff.

Why isn't there more buzz around Braelon?
Isaiah Davis is injured so less visible. 3-headed RBBC where Davis (after the bye week thru end of season) was the #2 RB. Hedge the bets on how it all plays out.
 
How come Allen is going so late in drafts? From reports it sounds like the staff wants to lean more into Allen this year and at worst case he is a high-end handcuff.

Why isn't there more buzz around Braelon?

I can partially answer that. Everybody saw Breece. Everybody saw Breece's run against nine in Green Bay his first year. They saw the number of explosive runs. They saw this guy gallop through defenses. Then the injury came and everybody waited to see if he'd be okay. And they rushed him but you could still see 90% Breece and that's enough. And they did things like not running him enough or running him like 35 times in a meaningless game at the end of the year to get him statistics that they didn't even do the basic addition on to make sure they knew what they were sacrificing his body for. And for some reason they used two decent rounds of draft capital on these two other backs.

And so the Jets are continuing to Jet. And since your average FF'er knows that the Jets are radioactive, they stay away. It's not like Breece is going in the second and Allen too late. Breece is sinking like a dunked witch in Salem and nobody's touching Braelon because nobody thinks they'll do right by the best back, and even if they did the offense would stink so badly that there's no real juice. It'll make for good banging football, but not for wins and stat counts. It just won't.

So Braelon seemingly goes way too late. And if I had to guess, I'd say the Jets screw up each of the three backs. They'll get it wrong. Because it's a garbage organization headed by a billion dollar nepo baby that lets his kid make personnel decisions from Madden.

I'm so out on all these guys. I feel bad for Breece. I feel bad for Braelon and Isaiah Davis. I'm just ornery writing about it, so please pardon me a bit.
 
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@rockaction What's your take on Aaron Glenn? Any chance he could take this team in a different direction or are the headwinds too strong even for him?

You know what? I have to give him a chance and I really might sound like I'm not but I have two and now three things that I don't like. Keep in mind that I have been so disgusted with the Jets that I haven't followed the minutiae of the offseason. But there are actually four things

1) I'm not a real fan of coaches that play hard-*** either through the media to their players or try and play hard-*** against the beats and media covering the team. Glenn seems to do both.

2) The Jets needed a quarterback to reset them. They signed my least favorite in the NFL and didn't draft anybody to even attempt to develop one. Before someone chimes in with, "they couldn't waste picks and had to use them judiciously," I'll rejoin that they took a guy nearly one hundred places above consensus in the fourth round, which leads to subsection a)

a) usually when a GM reaches like that there's a real reason or some inside dope. I haven't been assuaged that there's been either of those things, nor has a really good reason been given why waiting until the sixth for Arian Smith was not the best move. Nobody was taking this guy in the fourth of fifth,

3) The Jets hired another defensive coach. I'll admit I was happy that we'd gone to Detroit and gotten a Jet alumnus who by all accounts works his butt off. But here's the thing. We haven't had competent offensive football played since about 2003. It's been two decades at least. And watching a team that has trouble throwing the football more than fifteen yards has gotten so old you wouldn't believe. As a fan who is spending a ton of time (and some money) to watch these guys, I want a return. I want exciting and competent football on both sides of the ball. If Justin Fields and taking your most dynamic back out of the game sounds like offensive competence, you have about a minute before I cut you off because this is the same story for nearly twenty-five years and Testaverde and Pennington as your apex is like dating a cute girl in high school and realizing at seventy that she was the best you ever did. It's almost crushing.

4) The ownership is such a mess that it affects everything as a fan and neither the people with the most access to information nor the fan has any way to hold anybody accountable. The owner's sixteen or seventeen year-old kid was telling their owner father to refuse trades the GM had in the works because the guy the Jets would get had ****ty Madden ratings. I mean, where do you go after that? In my opinion, anybody who thinks that the Jets can function and that football people can do their jobs with that sort of internal control is deluding themselves. I refuse to delude myself. And it branches out everywhere. Every time the previous GM Joe Douglas made a move that sounded off (and he built an okay team) I would immediately try to figure out how far it was off and whether Woody (the owner) or his kid Brick (that's what they call him for real) had anything to do with it. The teenagers he had were giving out locker room game balls to guys after wins. I mean, if you've six Lombardis in the building then maybe you can laugh that off. But Woody (and possibly Brick) are the reason we had coaches like Adam Gase and GMs like Mike Maccagnan.

I guess I could type forever so I'll stop. But do I sound like I think this is going to end differently in any way? I just don't. I really hope I'm wrong. And one last thing: I am not a masochist nor do I like being this bad. I hated it as a Red Sox fan, and probably the greatest sports memories I have are of 2004, 2007, and 2013. Pure elation and joy. I just . . . you can't beat it. But you know what that took? A brand spanking new ownership team that completely cleaned house, changed philosophies, hired great talent, spent the money wisely, and kept control of the internal affairs really well. Did I always agree with them? No, in fact I have big quibbles with the remaining guy now, but those titles were a result of competence and effectiveness coming from the top. We have none of that for the Jets and I'm actually afraid for my good friends in the Jets thread that all their passion is just stepped on and abused by cynical operators. I hate it. I might very well hate the Jets.

eta** Shoot this guy into the sun already. I've already had it with this ****.

 
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I mean, I really hope I'm wrong. But this is like stepping into a strip club with a few thousands and the girl really just wants to get know you as you. We have all seen it and lived the story too many times to put real emotion into it while she whittles two grand out of you. It's just so cynical and ridiculous.
 
As a Washington fan, I can relate to the feeling of being trapped in a cycle of bad ownership, bad front office, bad coaches and bad results on the field, never completely losing hope but it just wears you down over time until you almost lose your love for the team you grew up with, and you're right, it took exactly what you described - a change of ownership - before real change could take effect. But first we fans had to suffer through three decades of Dan Snyder. It wasn't easy. I hope you get that Red Sox feeling someday.
 
I like Braelon Allen a lot by the way. Dude is huge and fast and he just trucks people but this year he's number 2 in a committee from what I can see. Hopefully next year he gets his big chance with Breece Hall going to another team maybe.
 
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I like Braelon Allen a lot by the way. Dude is huge and fast and he just trucks people but this year he's number 2 in a committe from what I can see. Maybe next year he gets his big chance with Breece Hall going to another team maybe.

I think Allen has a future. I'm also biased because I roster Breece in dynasty but up until he tore his ACL (which was the only time since 2003 that the result of a sporting event has ruined a day and left me sick and nauseated) he was one of the best I'd ever seen. Now, you have to understand that baseball was my main sport from the time I graduated college in 1997 up until 2011 and I followed it like I follow football now, which means I missed the day-to-day in football for a decade and a half and you had A Pete, LaDanian Tomlinson, and a host of others I don't have a frame of reference for. But yeah, it was Breece and he played for my team and he was on my main magic football squad. It was awesome. I was absolutely rapt on draft day when Joe Douglas traded a fifth to move right in front of Houston by one spot to draft him—and I knew as soon as the trade flashed on the screen why the Jets had traded and who they were taking; and I held the dynasty 1.01 that year so I could barely contain myself. I just . . . was stunned in the way like when things are absolutely perfect one sunny day when you're enthralled with your hobby. **** just seemed right.

And now this.
 
As a Washington fan, I can relate to the feeling of being trapped in a cycle of bad ownership

My God, man. Enjoy it. You earned it. This must feel amazing when you turn to follow your team. I worked in D.C. from '97-2001 so it was right when Snyder had first purchased the team (within a few years or so) and I remember thinking "My God, I'm a free market guy and this lowlife should be in jail just for his business practices. For a long time." I mean, he deserved to have his scenery be metal bars given how he made his money and used it. Woody Johnson is probably not a great guy. I don't envy his life because he's kind of stupid and his whole existence aside from money seems like a mediocrity that only doesn't kill you unless you're dumb enough to be unaware of how pedestrian you are. So yeah, Woody. But Snyder is the kind of guy that if some other guy you loathed started beating his face in with a shovel, you might not approve, but might walk on by the scene and think maybe somebody else has got next and plus you're feeling tired anyway.
 
@rockaction What's your take on Aaron Glenn? Any chance he could take this team in a different direction or are the headwinds too strong even for him?

You know what? I have to give him a chance and I really might sound like I'm not but I have two and now three things that I don't like. Keep in mind that I have been so disgusted with the Jets that I haven't followed the minutiae of the offseason. But there are actually four things

1) I'm not a real fan of coaches that play hard-*** either through the media to their players or try and play hard-*** against the beats and media covering the team. Glenn seems to do both.

2) The Jets needed a quarterback to reset them. They signed my least favorite in the NFL and didn't draft anybody to even attempt to develop one. Before someone chimes in with, "they couldn't waste picks and had to use them judiciously," I'll rejoin that they took a guy nearly one hundred places above consensus in the fourth round, which leads to subsection a)

a) usually when a GM reaches like that there's a real reason or some inside dope. I haven't been assuaged that there's been either of those things, nor has a really good reason been given why waiting until the sixth for Arian Smith was not the best move. Nobody was taking this guy in the fourth of fifth,

3) The Jets hired another defensive coach. I'll admit I was happy that we'd gone to Detroit and gotten a Jet alumnus who by all accounts works his butt off. But here's the thing. We haven't had competent offensive football played since about 2003. It's been two decades at least. And watching a team that has trouble throwing the football more than fifteen yards has gotten so old you wouldn't believe. As a fan who is spending a ton of time (and some money) to watch these guys, I want a return. I want exciting and competent football on both sides of the ball. If Justin Fields and taking your most dynamic back out of the game sounds like offensive competence, you have about a minute before I cut you off because this is the same story for nearly twenty-five years and Testaverde and Pennington as your apex is like dating a cute girl in high school and realizing at seventy that she was the best you ever did. It's almost crushing.

4) The ownership is such a mess that it affects everything as a fan and neither the people with the most access to information nor the fan has any way to hold anybody accountable. The owner's sixteen or seventeen year-old kid was telling their owner father to refuse trades the GM had in the works because the guy the Jets would get had ****ty Madden ratings. I mean, where do you go after that? In my opinion, anybody who thinks that the Jets can function and that football people can do their jobs with that sort of internal control is deluding themselves. I refuse to delude myself. And it branches out everywhere. Every time the previous GM Joe Douglas made a move that sounded off (and he built an okay team) I would immediately try to figure out how far it was off and whether Woody (the owner) or his kid Brick (that's what they call him for real) had anything to do with it. The teenagers he had were giving out locker room game balls to guys after wins. I mean, if you've six Lombardis in the building then maybe you can laugh that off. But Woody (and possibly Brick) are the reason we had coaches like Adam Gase and GMs like Mike Maccagnan.

I guess I could type forever so I'll stop. But do I sound like I think this is going to end differently in any way? I just don't. I really hope I'm wrong. And one last thing: I am not a masochist nor do I like being this bad. I hated it as a Red Sox fan, and probably the greatest sports memories I have are of 2004, 2007, and 2013. Pure elation and joy. I just . . . you can't beat it. But you know what that took? A brand spanking new ownership team that completely cleaned house, changed philosophies, hired great talent, spent the money wisely, and kept control of the internal affairs really well. Did I always agree with them? No, in fact I have big quibbles with the remaining guy now, but those titles were a result of competence and effectiveness coming from the top. We have none of that for the Jets and I'm actually afraid for my good friends in the Jets thread that all their passion is just stepped on and abused by cynical operators. I hate it. I might very well hate the Jets.
I'm thoroughly enjoying your work tonight, because it makes me feel like I'm actually an optimist about this team [for the first time ever] by comparison.
 
How come Allen is going so late in drafts? From reports it sounds like the staff wants to lean more into Allen this year and at worst case he is a high-end handcuff.

Why isn't there more buzz around Braelon?

I can partially answer that. Everybody saw Breece. Everybody saw Breece's run against nine in Green Bay his first year. They saw the number of explosive runs. They saw this guy gallop through defenses. Then the injury came and everybody waited to see if he'd be okay. And they rushed him but you could still see 90% Breece and that's enough. And they did things like not running him enough or running him like 35 times in a meaningless game at the end of the year to get him statistics that they didn't even do the basic addition on to make sure they knew what they were sacrificing his body for. And for some reason they used two decent rounds of draft capital on these two other backs.

And so the Jets are continuing to Jet. And since your average FF'er knows that the Jets are radioactive, they stay away. It's not like Breece is going in the second and Allen too late. Breece is sinking like a dunked witch in Salem and nobody's touching Braelon because nobody thinks they'll do right by the best back, and even if they did the offense would stink so badly that there's no real juice. It'll make for good banging football, but not for wins and stat counts. It just won't.

So Braelon seemingly goes way too late. And if I had to guess, I'd say the Jets screw up each of the three backs. They'll get it wrong. Because it's a garbage organization headed by a billion dollar nepo baby that lets his kid make personnel decisions from Madden.

I'm so out on all these guys. I feel bad for Breece. I feel bad for Braelon and Isaiah Davis. I'm just ornery writing about it, so please pardon me a bit.

@rockaction What's your take on Aaron Glenn? Any chance he could take this team in a different direction or are the headwinds too strong even for him?

You know what? I have to give him a chance and I really might sound like I'm not but I have two and now three things that I don't like. Keep in mind that I have been so disgusted with the Jets that I haven't followed the minutiae of the offseason. But there are actually four things

1) I'm not a real fan of coaches that play hard-*** either through the media to their players or try and play hard-*** against the beats and media covering the team. Glenn seems to do both.

2) The Jets needed a quarterback to reset them. They signed my least favorite in the NFL and didn't draft anybody to even attempt to develop one. Before someone chimes in with, "they couldn't waste picks and had to use them judiciously," I'll rejoin that they took a guy nearly one hundred places above consensus in the fourth round, which leads to subsection a)

a) usually when a GM reaches like that there's a real reason or some inside dope. I haven't been assuaged that there's been either of those things, nor has a really good reason been given why waiting until the sixth for Arian Smith was not the best move. Nobody was taking this guy in the fourth of fifth,

3) The Jets hired another defensive coach. I'll admit I was happy that we'd gone to Detroit and gotten a Jet alumnus who by all accounts works his butt off. But here's the thing. We haven't had competent offensive football played since about 2003. It's been two decades at least. And watching a team that has trouble throwing the football more than fifteen yards has gotten so old you wouldn't believe. As a fan who is spending a ton of time (and some money) to watch these guys, I want a return. I want exciting and competent football on both sides of the ball. If Justin Fields and taking your most dynamic back out of the game sounds like offensive competence, you have about a minute before I cut you off because this is the same story for nearly twenty-five years and Testaverde and Pennington as your apex is like dating a cute girl in high school and realizing at seventy that she was the best you ever did. It's almost crushing.

4) The ownership is such a mess that it affects everything as a fan and neither the people with the most access to information nor the fan has any way to hold anybody accountable. The owner's sixteen or seventeen year-old kid was telling their owner father to refuse trades the GM had in the works because the guy the Jets would get had ****ty Madden ratings. I mean, where do you go after that? In my opinion, anybody who thinks that the Jets can function and that football people can do their jobs with that sort of internal control is deluding themselves. I refuse to delude myself. And it branches out everywhere. Every time the previous GM Joe Douglas made a move that sounded off (and he built an okay team) I would immediately try to figure out how far it was off and whether Woody (the owner) or his kid Brick (that's what they call him for real) had anything to do with it. The teenagers he had were giving out locker room game balls to guys after wins. I mean, if you've six Lombardis in the building then maybe you can laugh that off. But Woody (and possibly Brick) are the reason we had coaches like Adam Gase and GMs like Mike Maccagnan.

I guess I could type forever so I'll stop. But do I sound like I think this is going to end differently in any way? I just don't. I really hope I'm wrong. And one last thing: I am not a masochist nor do I like being this bad. I hated it as a Red Sox fan, and probably the greatest sports memories I have are of 2004, 2007, and 2013. Pure elation and joy. I just . . . you can't beat it. But you know what that took? A brand spanking new ownership team that completely cleaned house, changed philosophies, hired great talent, spent the money wisely, and kept control of the internal affairs really well. Did I always agree with them? No, in fact I have big quibbles with the remaining guy now, but those titles were a result of competence and effectiveness coming from the top. We have none of that for the Jets and I'm actually afraid for my good friends in the Jets thread that all their passion is just stepped on and abused by cynical operators. I hate it. I might very well hate the Jets.
Tell us how you really feel :lmao:

"which leads us to subsection a"
I am absolutely gonna steal that one day in my analysis of the Miami Dolphins

-Thank You and great posts
 
So Zach Rosenblatt of The Athletic made mention that Breece Hall was not the best RB at Jets camp. The blurb on him was the definition of lukewarm.

Allen? ‘Coaches raved about him in a way to make me believe he’s going to be a legitimate 1B to Hall’s 1A, if not overtaking him completely as the lead back at some point’

There’s been ALOT of smoke here that even dates back to 2023 IMO when Saleh expressed at least some level of dissatisfaction with his ‘style’.
 
There’s been ALOT of smoke here that even dates back to 2023 IMO when Saleh expressed at least some level of dissatisfaction with his ‘style

I remember that. And Saleh got shoved by Rodgers and is a laughingstock with Glenn soon to follow.

Doesn’t mean Allen won’t overtake Hall. It just means the coaches are a proven idiot and a budding one.
 
I think the hype train is getting a little overboard here, he's a slow plodder on a bottom 5 offense. I would take up beyond pick 120 or something but now he's getting pushed way too far
WTF? Slow plodder? Sure he didn't run prior to being drafted, but in 2023 he ran a 4.4 40...at 245 lbs. And he's not Brandon Jacobs either. The dude will truck you on the way to the GL. Say what you will about the Jets and their OL, but Allen is a big, fast, talented dude.
 
I think the hype train is getting a little overboard here, he's a slow plodder on a bottom 5 offense. I would take up beyond pick 120 or something but now he's getting pushed way too far
WTF? Slow plodder? Sure he didn't run prior to being drafted, but in 2023 he ran a 4.4 40...at 245 lbs. And he's not Brandon Jacobs either. The dude will truck you on the way to the GL. Say what you will about the Jets and their OL, but Allen is a big, fast, talented dude.
And a coach that won’t shut up about how good he is, too. Soooooo…
:shrug:
 
I think the hype train is getting a little overboard here, he's a slow plodder on a bottom 5 offense. I would take up beyond pick 120 or something but now he's getting pushed way too far
Hype train, sure - bad offense, no doubt. But Braelon Allen is not a slow plodder.
Who does he run away from in this clip? Nice run vs a Titans db back at 1:12 but he doesn't make a move the db just kind of froze.

for a guy who runs a 4.4 you dont exactly seem him turning a corner
 

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