RB Breece Hall, NYJ (3 Viewers)

[Crash Davis]

I don't see Hall losing the starting RB job unless weeks like this start to pile up, but as mentioned I could definitely see Allen making this more of a committee as the year goes on and getting the GL work. Breece is too good of a receiver to just fade away and he will have better days running the ball, but he hasn't lived up to expectations so far this year. I thought he looked pedestrian against the 49ers on that opening Monday as well and even when he's played well Allen has looked like the better runner and left you wanting to see more of him.

 

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it’s weird in here

Seriously.

Rock and this leftcoastheel guy may both want to take a deep breath and maybe get outside and interact with some humans.

As an Allen stasher, loving seeing him carve out more of this role. Unfortunately we may just get to the point where they are both in a full on comittee….. a pair of RB2 or Flex with upside and neither is really shining.

 

[JohnnyU]

it’s weird in here

Seriously.

Rock and this leftcoastheel guy may both want to take a deep breath and maybe get outside and interact with some humans.

As an Allen stasher, loving seeing him carve out more of this role. Unfortunately we may just get to the point where they are both in a full on comittee….. a pair of RB2 or Flex with upside and neither is really shining.

That's the risk for the RB landscape in today's NFL. Even if a RB is a bell cow right now, it might be not for long. I expect a lot of RBs to cap the main RB's upside throughout the league. It's something we as fantasy players have to adjust to, or at least accept it.

 

[menobrown]

Just pointing out he had a 9 game stretch last year where he ran for 27.7 yards a game at a 2.52 ypc clip and ran for one TD during those 9 games. This is not really a new thing, guess combo of Rodgers, better OL and second year post ACL is just more jarring for people to see.

This is no way trying to be down on him, just pointing out a fact.

He was putting up good fantasy numbers because of his receiving skills and then closed the year on a bit of a rushing tear.

This year his fantasy production has been propped up by TD's and again work in the passing game.

I have no idea why he's become such a streaky runner.

 

[JohnnyU]

He still got 71% of the snaps and dominated 3rd down work and had 2 of the 3 snaps inside the 5. He's still getting the high value touches. Still averaging 18.5 touches per game. He just had a crappy game. The weather was bad as he was.

 

[Big Nate]

Worst consensus top 3 pick in recent memory.

Exaggeration much. 3 good fantasy games until this game.

You actually wrote that? Maybe CMC would have been a better pick for you this year.

 

[Crash Davis]

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All 10 of his carries from yesterday. My takeaway watching them for the second time is the same. The blocking was non existent, but he also went down way too easily on a lot of those.

 

[ATB]

Just pointing out he had a 9 game stretch last year where he ran for 27.7 yards a game at a 2.52 ypc clip and ran for one TD during those 9 games. This is not really a new thing, guess combo of Rodgers, better OL and second year post ACL is just more jarring for people to see.

This is no way trying to be down on him, just pointing out a fact.

He was putting up good fantasy numbers because of his receiving skills and then closed the year on a bit of a rushing tear.

This year his fantasy production has been propped up by TD's and again work in the passing game.

I have no idea why he's become such a streaky runner.

But we attributed that low YPC to the combo of a terrible O-line and a terrible QB which allowed defenses to stack boxes. That's not the case this year. Improved O-line and a good QB who defenses have to respect.

And yet he's still looking complete garbage running the ball.

The eyes don't lie. Allen pops off the screen when he runs. He runs with power and vision and has the speed to get around the edge. Breece gets the ball and he's like a wet noodle thrown against a wall. No vision. No pop. He looks like the kind of running back who can only get what the O-line gives him.

Which really means he sucks, basically. And I don't get it. The dude looked special his rookie year before the injury. Then got back into his groove last year and looked like the prince that was promised except for the bad O-line and stacked boxes.

But now he looks like a one hit wonder or something.

I don't know what I'm trying to say here. I own him in nearly every league, even dynasty. And I think, if you're not panicking, you're probably ignoring the situation or something.

There's really no excuse whatsoever for this coaching staff to not go full-blown RBBC to the point where I could easily see a situation where Allen is the guy on first and second downs and Breece becoming a passing down specialist. And I'm not exaggerating. That's what the eye test tells me. These coaches are fighting for their jobs this year. They're not going to look at Breece and shrug their shoulders and just go down with the ship.

They will make changes if they are not winning... and they're not winning.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

10 carries 4 yds, just own it
Was Top 5 entering this game, wouldn't let it guide you on his outlook week to week

 

[Banger]

Don't own Breece this year and this was just a down game. He'll continue to perform but Allen isn't going away. A big part of Breece's appeal was that he was going to be a target magnet but now with Allen that likely won't be the case. Even if he gives us 40% of the touches he should still be a top back given the RB landscape.

From the sounds of this thread though it seems like I should send out a couple offers for Breece.

 

[Judge Smails]

Breece, Bijan and Aiyuk owners all shaken a bit.

 

[chad in Indy]

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All 10 of his carries from yesterday. My takeaway watching them for the second time is the same. The blocking was non existent, but he also went down way too easily on a lot of those.

Just watched these. On some of them, he was seeing 8 (and sometimes 9) in the box or on their own GL, so I understand those. But his lack of vision on several of the others was pretty bad. He had really open cutback lanes and missed them. On the goal line carries, he walks in if he takes one sidestep to the right. Second carry, he easily could have bounced to the outside to walk in. His lineman/TE had the edge sealed. Overall, vision looked bad. Reminded me of watching Christine Michael play. Head and body weight leaning so far forward that he trips easily.

 

[menobrown]

Breece, Bijan and Aiyuk owners all shaken a bit.

You could go a lot longer with that list.

Big thought in my head was I did a big FFPC Main Event draft on the Saturday before the opener. I did 6 such leagues and did want to be overly heavy on any first round players. This was my last of those 6 drafts and I picked 1.1.

I had been uneasy about CMC and that morning just made the decision I was not going to pick him.

I had already chosen Lamb on two team in that contest and did not want to be overly heavy on any first round pick. were I'd just be to down if something went awry with them. I already had Barkley on a team, got him in round 2 so just did not want to spend 1.1 on him.

So I boiled it down to Tyreek, Bijan or Breece.

I went Bijan and still would relative to those options but that's what you call between a rock and a hard place and gets to my bigger point that in the leagues I play the consensus top 5 were CMC, Tyreek, Bijan, Breece and Lamb and really none of them have been close to worth it.

Jefferson, Chase and ASRB usually went next none of them have been bad, strong confidence in all of them for ROS, but so far JJ is only one who has performed like what you expect from a first round pick.

Then AJB usually went next followed by Wilson.

So really my big big point here is all I'm seeing in all these threads today is so much bellyaching and anger. Almost everyone is dealing with it with their first round picks this year. They've long said leagues are not won in round one. That's the case this year more then ever and personally I love it. This is not directed at you in the least but all the anger and overreaction I'm seeing today is annoying to me. Buck up folks. If you don't like your first round pick don't beat yourself up over it, you probably would have not liked your alternative options you thought of drafting in round one either. Find solutions to the challenge, dealing with it and trying to work out the adversity is one of the many things I enjoy about this hobby.

 

[Uncle Leo]

We are treating Breece like he’s Rachaad White. This is not White/Irving thing. Breece is an excellent runner and a receiver. Allen is a rookie that will get his opportunities, but he’s not replacing Breece.

 

[ohio#1eaglesfan]

It was hard watching Hall fail from 1 yard out twice. Allen would have crashed that pile forward for a td

 

[mrfrood]

He looked like he was running a little timid. Maybe he was scared of the field conditions due to his ACL injury 2 years ago?

 

[dickey moe]

Busssssst

 

[Uncle Leo]

Yeah. He is someone that was my number 1 target this year. Yes, even over CMC. Not sure what went wrong, but it is not what most of us expected.

 

[need2know]

The offense is so bad. Not sure why he was forecasted to be such a high redraft pick

 

[dipandglide]

The Allen usage concerns me more than Hall's meh production

 

[chad in Indy]

The Allen usage concerns me more than Hall's meh production

Why? He didn't do anything either. Right now it's 95% system failure and 5% player.

AP in his prime would struggle to get 50 yards rushing with this offense right now.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Hughes] The #Jets running game continues to be non-existent. That is a problem. Going into the season I was told by multiple team sources their goal was to be a run-first team. The #Jets ran 14 times against the #Vikings for 36 yards. That's an average of 2.6 per carry.

 

[Smack Tripper]

[Hughes] The #Jets running game continues to be non-existent. That is a problem. Going into the season I was told by multiple team sources their goal was to be a run-first team. The #Jets ran 14 times against the #Vikings for 36 yards. That's an average of 2.6 per carry.

Line is awful,, bucks constantly met in the backfield

 

[BlackCrowes]

The offense is so bad. Not sure why he was forecasted to be such a high redraft pick

because the offense was forecasted to be better

 

[chad in Indy]

[Hughes] The #Jets running game continues to be non-existent. That is a problem. Going into the season I was told by multiple team sources their goal was to be a run-first team. The #Jets ran 14 times against the #Vikings for 36 yards. That's an average of 2.6 per carry.

Line is awful,, bucks constantly met in the backfield

The Jets (either Center or Rodgers) did not identify and account for run blitzing LBs multiple times. I want to go back and watch, but I also don't recall any guards pulling or any creativity to get blocks on the second level. It was vanilla run schemes into "blank" gap and hope the LBs aren't there.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

[Hughes] The #Jets running game continues to be non-existent. That is a problem. Going into the season I was told by multiple team sources their goal was to be a run-first team. The #Jets ran 14 times against the #Vikings for 36 yards. That's an average of 2.6 per carry.

Line is awful,, bucks constantly met in the backfield

The Jets (either Center or Rodgers) did not identify and account for run blitzing LBs multiple times. I want to go back and watch, but I also don't recall any guards pulling or any creativity to get blocks on the second level. It was vanilla run schemes into "blank" gap and hope the LBs aren't there.

Hackett…….one of the worst OCs in recent NFL history…..

 

[BlackCrowes]

[Hughes] The #Jets running game continues to be non-existent. That is a problem. Going into the season I was told by multiple team sources their goal was to be a run-first team. The #Jets ran 14 times against the #Vikings for 36 yards. That's an average of 2.6 per carry.

Line is awful,, bucks constantly met in the backfield

The Jets (either Center or Rodgers) did not identify and account for run blitzing LBs multiple times. I want to go back and watch, but I also don't recall any guards pulling or any creativity to get blocks on the second level. It was vanilla run schemes into "blank" gap and hope the LBs aren't there.

Hackett…….one of the worst OCs in recent NFL history…..

Amen.

 

[Faust]

Ian Hartitz
Breece Hall yards gained on 19 rush attempts in Weeks 4-5 from least to most:

-5, -2, -2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 6, 7, 10

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[BobbyLayne]

Hall gained 23 yards on 9 carries Week 5

He gained 28 yards after contact

On his two longest runs - 7 and 10 yards - he had 18 yards after contact

The O line graded out excellent in pass protection

The run blocking grades were significantly lower

POS - Overall - RBLK - PBLK
LT - 68.0 - 46.6 - 81
LG - 70.9 - 61.2 - 82.2
C - 66.0 - 70.3 - 57.9
RG - 79.3 - 86.3 - 66.6
RT - 57.6 - 61.2 - 52.2

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Hall gained 23 yards on 9 carries Week 5

He gained 28 yards after contact

On his two longest runs - 7 and 10 yards - he had 18 yards after contact

The O line graded out excellent in pass protection

The run blocking grades were significantly lower

POS - Overall - RBLK - PBLK
LT - 68.0 - 46.6 - 81
LG - 70.9 - 61.2 - 82.2
C - 66.0 - 70.3 - 57.9
RG - 79.3 - 86.3 - 66.6
RT - 57.6 - 61.2 - 52.2

Until they get a real OC, it will be rough.

Never would have thought Z Wilson would be better for B Hall than ARod.

I’ve gotta bench this guy until he shows some signs of life. That might sound absurd, but Montgomery, BRob and Rhamondre have simply been better most weeks.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Hall gained 23 yards on 9 carries Week 5

He gained 28 yards after contact

On his two longest runs - 7 and 10 yards - he had 18 yards after contact

The O line graded out excellent in pass protection

The run blocking grades were significantly lower

POS - Overall - RBLK - PBLK
LT - 68.0 - 46.6 - 81
LG - 70.9 - 61.2 - 82.2
C - 66.0 - 70.3 - 57.9
RG - 79.3 - 86.3 - 66.6
RT - 57.6 - 61.2 - 52.2

Until they get a real OC, it will be rough.

Never would have thought Z Wilson would be better for B Hall than ARod.

I’ve gotta bench this guy until he shows some signs of life. That might sound absurd, but Montgomery, BRob and Rhamondre have simply been better most weeks.

it's rough in redraft - pretty hard to package him in a deal, and can't be trusted to just keep rolling him out there because that's my stud first round pick

 

[zamboni]

If Allen weren't there, I'd say Breece is a big time buy low, but it's hard to see the upside with the kid playing so well and Saleh not afraid to liberally sprinkle him in.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

It's gross. I have a dynasty team with Breece, Bijan and a bunch of other "studs" and I'm 1-4

 

[Biabreakable]

The Allen usage concerns me more than Hall's meh production

Why? He didn't do anything either. Right now it's 95% system failure and 5% player.

AP in his prime would struggle to get 50 yards rushing with this offense right now.

Naw.

Peterson almost set the rushing record playing with Christian Ponder.

He was their whole offense. Stacked boxes all the time.

 

[SayWhat?]

Saleh fired. Hopefully Hackett isn’t far behind. Free this man!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Saleh fired. Hopefully Hackett isn’t far behind. Free this man!

Nah. Hackett is there because of ARod. Saleh is gone because of ARod. Anyone can be a scapegoat except ARod’s people.

 

[chad in Indy]

The Allen usage concerns me more than Hall's meh production

Why? He didn't do anything either. Right now it's 95% system failure and 5% player.

AP in his prime would struggle to get 50 yards rushing with this offense right now.

Naw.

Peterson almost set the rushing record playing with Christian Ponder.

He was their whole offense. Stacked boxes all the time.

I was partly being facetious, but it's not all about seeing a stacked box. It's about no creativity in the run game and play calling.

I'm really suprised the OC was not fired along with the HC today

 

[SayWhat?]

Saleh fired. Hopefully Hackett isn’t far behind. Free this man!

Nah. Hackett is there because of ARod. Sales is gone because of ARod. Anyone can be a scapegoat except ARod’s people.

Sure, Hackett is there because of / to get ARod there. That ship had sailed. ARod is there. If the offense continues to perform like it has, Hackett is next man overboard. It would be just one more thing for Aaron to whine about.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Saleh fired. Hopefully Hackett isn’t far behind. Free this man!

Nah. Hackett is there because of ARod. Sales is gone because of ARod. Anyone can be a scapegoat except ARod’s people.

Sure, Hackett is there because of / to get ARod there. That ship had sailed. ARod is there. If the offense continues to perform like it has, Hackett is next man overboard. It would be just one more thing for Aaron to whine about.

It wouldn’t shock me at all if Saleh wanted Hackett fired and ARod said no.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Saleh fired. Hopefully Hackett isn’t far behind. Free this man!

Nah. Hackett is there because of ARod. Sales is gone because of ARod. Anyone can be a scapegoat except ARod’s people.

Sure, Hackett is there because of / to get ARod there. That ship had sailed. ARod is there. If the offense continues to perform like it has, Hackett is next man overboard. It would be just one more thing for Aaron to whine about.

It wouldn’t shock me at all if Saleh wanted Hackett fired and ARod said no.

And lo and behold, this is exactly what happened based on reports this afternoon….

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Hall gained 23 yards on 9 carries Week 5

He gained 28 yards after contact

On his two longest runs - 7 and 10 yards - he had 18 yards after contact

The O line graded out excellent in pass protection

The run blocking grades were significantly lower

POS - Overall - RBLK - PBLK
LT - 68.0 - 46.6 - 81
LG - 70.9 - 61.2 - 82.2
C - 66.0 - 70.3 - 57.9
RG - 79.3 - 86.3 - 66.6
RT - 57.6 - 61.2 - 52.2

Until they get a real OC, it will be rough.

Never would have thought Z Wilson would be better for B Hall than ARod.

I’ve gotta bench this guy until he shows some signs of life. That might sound absurd, but Montgomery, BRob and Rhamondre have simply been better most weeks.

it's rough in redraft - pretty hard to package him in a deal, and can't be trusted to just keep rolling him out there because that's my stud first round pick

I just want one boom game so I can sell.

 

[menobrown]

Saleh fired. Hopefully Hackett isn’t far behind. Free this man!

Nah. Hackett is there because of ARod. Sales is gone because of ARod. Anyone can be a scapegoat except ARod’s people.

Sure, Hackett is there because of / to get ARod there. That ship had sailed. ARod is there. If the offense continues to perform like it has, Hackett is next man overboard. It would be just one more thing for Aaron to whine about.

It wouldn’t shock me at all if Saleh wanted Hackett fired and ARod said no.

And lo and behold, this is exactly what happened based on reports this afternoon….

I think he just tried to take away play calling and give it to Todd Downing. A demotion, not a firing.

Either way sounds like he though he had the power to challenge Rodgers authority and he played that hand wrong.

 

[rockaction]

So now he's averaging fourteen PPR points a game and people are hollering like he's been this way all year. This amuses me.

18.3, 24.4, 18.3, 3.8, 7.6

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

 

[rockaction]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

Coming into the game this weekend, Buffalo gave up the most fantasy points to RBs in the league. And indeed they're still 32nd according to MFL. That's a matchup that if the Jets can't take advantage of this week, you can forget Breece as a weapon until Hackett/Rodgers are relieved of play calling duties.

I'm also not sure Breece is totally right. He hasn't looked right all year. Something is going on. He's lost his quicks that he definitely had.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

Coming into the game this weekend, Buffalo gave up the most fantasy points to RBs in the league. And indeed they're still 32nd according to MFL. That's a matchup that if the Jets can't take advantage of this week, you can forget Breece as a weapon until Hackett/Rodgers are relieved of play calling duties.

I'm also not sure Breece is totally right. He hasn't looked right all year. Something is going on. He's lost his quicks that he definitely had.

I feel sick when I think about the offers I had for him this offseason in the 16-team league I roster him.

2025 1st + players in one, 2x 1sts in another.

I couldn’t pull the trigger after riding him to a ‘ship. And ARod will be back! Competent QB play at least!

Poop

 

[rockaction]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

Coming into the game this weekend, Buffalo gave up the most fantasy points to RBs in the league. And indeed they're still 32nd according to MFL. That's a matchup that if the Jets can't take advantage of this week, you can forget Breece as a weapon until Hackett/Rodgers are relieved of play calling duties.

I'm also not sure Breece is totally right. He hasn't looked right all year. Something is going on. He's lost his quicks that he definitely had.

I feel sick when I think about the offers I had for him this offseason in the 16-team league I roster him.

2025 1st + players in one, 2x 1sts in another.

I couldn’t pull the trigger after riding him to a ‘ship. And ARod will be back! Competent QB play at least!

Poop

He was worth more than two firsts then. He still is. I wouldn't sell for less.

Two. bad. games. If there's nothing wrong with him then I don't see how he doesn't bust loose from this. He was second to only CMC last year.

 

[TampaMike19]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

Coming into the game this weekend, Buffalo gave up the most fantasy points to RBs in the league. And indeed they're still 32nd according to MFL. That's a matchup that if the Jets can't take advantage of this week, you can forget Breece as a weapon until Hackett/Rodgers are relieved of play calling duties.

I'm also not sure Breece is totally right. He hasn't looked right all year. Something is going on. He's lost his quicks that he definitely had.

He sounds effing sad and demoralized. Rodgers is doing a light version of what Watson is doing to the browns

 

[rockaction]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

Coming into the game this weekend, Buffalo gave up the most fantasy points to RBs in the league. And indeed they're still 32nd according to MFL. That's a matchup that if the Jets can't take advantage of this week, you can forget Breece as a weapon until Hackett/Rodgers are relieved of play calling duties.

I'm also not sure Breece is totally right. He hasn't looked right all year. Something is going on. He's lost his quicks that he definitely had.

He sounds effing sad and demoralized. Rodgers is doing a light version of what Watson is doing to the browns

I haven't heard his quotes. I was up late today. That's troubling. Got a link? (I'm not trying to be a PITA; you might have seen something and remember it.)

 

[TampaMike19]

It's a two-game trend that will reverse itself Monday night.

Considering benching him, so you’re guaranteed to hit this prediction. lol

Coming into the game this weekend, Buffalo gave up the most fantasy points to RBs in the league. And indeed they're still 32nd according to MFL. That's a matchup that if the Jets can't take advantage of this week, you can forget Breece as a weapon until Hackett/Rodgers are relieved of play calling duties.

I'm also not sure Breece is totally right. He hasn't looked right all year. Something is going on. He's lost his quicks that he definitely had.

He sounds effing sad and demoralized. Rodgers is doing a light version of what Watson is doing to the browns

I haven't heard his quotes. I was up late today. That's troubling. Got a link? (I'm not trying to be a PITA; you might have seen something and remember it.)

I just saw it briefly but it's just my opinion of course. It's probably nothing but when I first saw it I thought the body language was poor. They did just lose however.

Breece hall after Jets Vikings