RB Bucky Irving, TB (1 Viewer)

[The General]

Why is he returning kickoffs? Pretty dumb.

We need you, Bucky. Get that hip treatment.

Especially as that's something they could be (and were once) using Tucker for.

Seriously. Or the 4th WR or something. Don't have the most dynamic player on the squad running into a wall.

 

[eighsse2]

Why is he returning kickoffs? Pretty dumb.

We need you, Bucky. Get that hip treatment.

Especially as that's something they could be (and were once) using Tucker for.

This might age poorly.

 

[Grahamburn]

Why is he returning kickoffs? Pretty dumb.

We need you, Bucky. Get that hip treatment.

Todd Bowles.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

So why is Rachaad in for OT if he is no brainer? He carries them, yet not trusted at the end?

Eta...venting...lost by 5 and likely lost bye so watching Rachaad in OT doubly annoying

I am not 100% sure, but I saw on another message board someone posted that Bucky's hip was wrapped and he did not play in OT.

He apparently got hurt on a kickoff return and was "laboring to walk to the locker room" at end of game. Something to watch.

Of course smh

 

[Faust]

Bucky Irving explodes as Bucs rally for OT win vs. Panthers

 

[Grahamburn]

So why is Rachaad in for OT if he is no brainer? He carries them, yet not trusted at the end?

Eta...venting...lost by 5 and likely lost bye so watching Rachaad in OT doubly annoying

I am not 100% sure, but I saw on another message board someone posted that Bucky's hip was wrapped and he did not play in OT.

He apparently got hurt on a kickoff return and was "laboring to walk to the locker room" at end of game. Something to watch.

Of course smh

He hurt it at the end of the first half and continued to play.

 

[Faust]

Jacob Gibbs
Bucky Irving gained positive yardage on 26 of 28 touches in Week 13.

185 scrimmage yards. That's back-to-back games with 150+ scrimmage yards for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers rookie RB.

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[The General]

So why is Rachaad in for OT if he is no brainer? He carries them, yet not trusted at the end?

Eta...venting...lost by 5 and likely lost bye so watching Rachaad in OT doubly annoying

I am not 100% sure, but I saw on another message board someone posted that Bucky's hip was wrapped and he did not play in OT.

He apparently got hurt on a kickoff return and was "laboring to walk to the locker room" at end of game. Something to watch.

Of course smh

He hurt it at the end of the first half and continued to play.

Yep. Just something to keep an eye on this week. And, probably time to not put him out there to take shots on kickoffs!

 

[Faust]

Rich Hribar
Bucky Irving has 256 yards rushing when contacted at or behind the line of scrimmage per TruMedia.

Only Saquon has more (257).

Irving has those yards on 40 fewer attempts than Barkley when hit at or behind the line.

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Irving is averaging a league-high 4.0 YPC when hit at or behind the line.

The average for Running Backs this season is 1.6 yards per rush.

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[packer_junkie]

With CMC down-- I need Bucky to be keep being bucky or I am done

 

[-OZ-]

Jacob Gibbs
Bucky Irving gained positive yardage on 26 of 28 touches in Week 13.

185 scrimmage yards. That's back-to-back games with 150+ scrimmage yards for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers rookie RB.

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RoY!
Ok, no. But still he looks like a real RB1.

 

[Buckna]

No practice today?

 

[The General]

No bueno. He didn’t practice much on another injury early this season IIRC and played.

That he wasn’t in on last three drives last week is troubling.

 

[jobarules]

No bueno. He didn’t practice much on another injury early this season IIRC and played.

That he wasn’t in on last three drives last week is troubling.

It's Wednesday. I wouldn't be concerned yet.

 

[Faust]

Jacob Gibbs
Bucky Irving

1st in yards per route run
1st in yards after contact per rush

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[The General]

DNP today per the peeps on twitter.

 

[Pietaster2]

DNP today per the peeps on twitter.

Pick up Tucker if you have a bench slot, just in case.

 

[The General]

Seeing a quote where Bucky was asked about not practicing today and he says he’s fine FWTW.

 

[sho nuff]

Ugh. Need him…JT on bye and Walker also nursing injuries.

 

[EBF]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

 

[beef]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

You get way too caught up on college weight and act like that won't ever change. These young guys are still growing and are now in an NFL weight lifting and training program.

 

[Grahamburn]

Highest missed tackle rate on outside rushes by any RB since 2016.

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[sheerterror]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

Jamal Charles, Devon Achane and Jamyr Gibbs are a few more in this size bracket.

Agreed it's not ideal size, but the days of the bellcow are mostly over. These smaller, hyper efficient per touch guys that can make people miss will probably begin to populate the 'starting' RB pool as much as the prototype 5'10 225lber does.

 

[Mitchie]

(Rotowire) Irving (hip) is practicing Friday, Greg Auman of Fox Sports reports. Analysis: Reporters saw Irving at Thursday's practice, but he ultimately was listed as a non-participant for the second straight day. It sounds like he's doing more Friday and has a shot to play this Sunday against Las Vegas.

 

[Mitchie]

(Rotowire) Irving (hip) was a limited practice participant Friday and is listed as questionable for Sunday's game against the Raiders, Brianna Dix of the Buccaneers' official site reports. Analysis: A return to practice at the end of the week improves Irving's chances of playing, but the Buccaneers aren't ready to commit to it two days before the game. A 1:00 p.m. ET kickoff is good news for Irving's fantasy managers, leaving plenty of replacement options if he's declared inactive or reports suggest his role will be scaled back. Any lost work for Irving figures to go to Rachaad White and Sean Tucker, with the former in particular making for a strong fantasy start in the event Irving is inactive.

 

[EBF]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

You get way too caught up on college weight and act like that won't ever change. These young guys are still growing and are now in an NFL weight lifting and training program.

By that logic, all the linebackers, safeties, DEs, and corners are also getting bigger/faster, as is everyone else.

It doesn't really hold up as an argument.

FWIW, Oregon is a huge CFB program. Not like he was out in the boonies at D3 school with no weight program.

 

[EBF]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

Jamal Charles, Devon Achane and Jamyr Gibbs are a few more in this size bracket.

Agreed it's not ideal size, but the days of the bellcow are mostly over. These smaller, hyper efficient per touch guys that can make people miss will probably begin to populate the 'starting' RB pool as much as the prototype 5'10 225lber does.

Days of the bellcow are not ending as long as guys like Henry, Saquon, and Jacobs exist. Look at this year's top FF backs.

Charles, Achane, and Gibbs have elite track speed. Same for Chris Johnson. Irving ran a 4.55 at the combine. I don't feel as comfortable betting on a likely low volume back if his underlying explosiveness is not as elite. The possibility to compensate for low volume with chunk plays is not as strong. Irving ranks 28th in the NFL in carries and T-12th in explosive runs, which is moderately impressive, but not necessarily indicative of special big play flair. If he's a 5'9" 192 pound grinder then it's probably not the blueprint for enduring FF dominance. I'd lean towards people like Ekeler, Dunn, and Kyren as being his absolute best-case outcomes.

That's a good ceiling for the entry price, but there's also the possibility that he backslides ala Ameer Abdullah, Gio Bernard, or Julius Jones. There's a tendency when rookie backs flash talent to assume that the arrow always has to keep moving up and that the small sample size will always generalize to the rest of their careers. In reality it's not always that smooth, so if you are locking him in as a bankable dynasty commodity based on half a season of split duty then you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Capella]

He’s playing Sunday.

 

[TDavi118]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

Jamal Charles, Devon Achane and Jamyr Gibbs are a few more in this size bracket.

Agreed it's not ideal size, but the days of the bellcow are mostly over. These smaller, hyper efficient per touch guys that can make people miss will probably begin to populate the 'starting' RB pool as much as the prototype 5'10 225lber does.

Days of the bellcow are not ending as long as guys like Henry, Saquon, and Jacobs exist. Look at this year's top FF backs.

Charles, Achane, and Gibbs have elite track speed. Same for Chris Johnson. Irving ran a 4.55 at the combine. I don't feel as comfortable betting on a likely low volume back if his underlying explosiveness is not as elite. The possibility to compensate for low volume with chunk plays is not as strong. Irving ranks 28th in the NFL in carries and T-12th in explosive runs, which is moderately impressive, but not necessarily indicative of special big play flair. If he's a 5'9" 192 pound grinder then it's probably not the blueprint for enduring FF dominance. I'd lean towards people like Ekeler, Dunn, and Kyren as being his absolute best-case outcomes.

That's a good ceiling for the entry price, but there's also the possibility that he backslides ala Ameer Abdullah, Gio Bernard, or Julius Jones. There's a tendency when rookie backs flash talent to assume that the arrow always has to keep moving up and that the small sample size will always generalize to the rest of their careers. In reality it's not always that smooth, so if you are locking him in as a bankable dynasty commodity based on half a season of split duty then you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Excellent post... I had Irving in my flex and ten minutes from game time last night I switched to Monty..... Can you really start a rookie over a vet?

 

[beef]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

You get way too caught up on college weight and act like that won't ever change. These young guys are still growing and are now in an NFL weight lifting and training program.

By that logic, all the linebackers, safeties, DEs, and corners are also getting bigger/faster, as is everyone else.

It doesn't really hold up as an argument.

FWIW, Oregon is a huge CFB program. Not like he was out in the boonies at D3 school with no weight program.

Biology. Look it up.

 

[sheerterror]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

Jamal Charles, Devon Achane and Jamyr Gibbs are a few more in this size bracket.

Agreed it's not ideal size, but the days of the bellcow are mostly over. These smaller, hyper efficient per touch guys that can make people miss will probably begin to populate the 'starting' RB pool as much as the prototype 5'10 225lber does.

Days of the bellcow are not ending as long as guys like Henry, Saquon, and Jacobs exist. Look at this year's top FF backs.

Charles, Achane, and Gibbs have elite track speed. Same for Chris Johnson. Irving ran a 4.55 at the combine. I don't feel as comfortable betting on a likely low volume back if his underlying explosiveness is not as elite. The possibility to compensate for low volume with chunk plays is not as strong. Irving ranks 28th in the NFL in carries and T-12th in explosive runs, which is moderately impressive, but not necessarily indicative of special big play flair. If he's a 5'9" 192 pound grinder then it's probably not the blueprint for enduring FF dominance. I'd lean towards people like Ekeler, Dunn, and Kyren as being his absolute best-case outcomes.

That's a good ceiling for the entry price, but there's also the possibility that he backslides ala Ameer Abdullah, Gio Bernard, or Julius Jones. There's a tendency when rookie backs flash talent to assume that the arrow always has to keep moving up and that the small sample size will always generalize to the rest of their careers. In reality it's not always that smooth, so if you are locking him in as a bankable dynasty commodity based on half a season of split duty then you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

I don't disagree with the majority of your post, but re: true bellcows - 2/3 names on your list are hall of famers. How many guys drafted in the last 4-5 years have been drafted with the intention of making them the true primary back? Breece, Bijan and maybe Najee? Of the prob dozen or so teams in the league that are employing 1 primary back, how many of them actually 'want' to be? I don't think NO or LAR are thrilled they havent been able to take more off the plate of their guys. CMC (another potential HOF) has probably seen his last days as a true bellcow after a season of what looked like an accumulation of overuse finally coming home to roost.

I think the devaluing of the position cap-wise and draft-capital wise has opened up the committee approach for most teams. Add to the the gradual rule changes being made to give the offensive players more space, and its no wonder you are getting some smaller guys at both RB and WR that are able to have a pretty significant impact on games.

As far as Bucky vs the previous 3 names I mentioned - yes he may not have the underwear speed that they do, and that probably won't equate to the amount of 60+ yard runs those guys tend to pop off, but (especially based on your own numbers) I think the efficiency at which he creates explosive runs shows he's "fast enough" and has the vision to find holes consistently to create the chunk plays you're looking for from your "lightning."

Not sure how many took him where he was going with the anticipation of him becoming a bonafide number 1 primary back, but the sample size we have thus far is showing that much like some of his smaller RB compatriots, he may not need that to be a fantasy asset.

I also don't believe for a second that the listed weight of a 22 year old at 192lbs means he's going to be 'undersized' his whole career. You aren't close to physical maturity at 22 years old. Not by a mile. If this guy wants to/its deemed necessary for him to put weight on, he will have 0 problem working his way up to the elusive 200lb mark while having no negative impact on his explosiveness (in fact I'll argue it might even help his speed).

 

[EBF]

Bucky is a perfect example of people paying too much attention to underwear measurements and not actual football skills. Everything we see from him now is what he did in Oregon. Dude has always been a missed tackle stud.

F 'em Buc!

I liked his NCAA clips, but the biggest issue for me was him being 5'9" 192. On some level the measurables do matter. I compared him to Gio Bernard going into the season. Thus far his efficiency is blowing Bernard's first few years away, so it seems like I underestimated how dynamic he could be, but there's still a question of whether he's a complementary type or someone who can handle high volume. 192 is not the weight you want to see in a workhorse type of back.

Him getting banged up immediately after his first game of 15+ carries is perhaps not the victory lap some want it to be.

Now if we want to think of guys who had lasting success in that size bracket, there are some possible good outcomes. Warrick Dunn had a similar build. Ekeler is not much bigger. Chris Johnson was skinny. I'd argue that Ray Rice had a lot more thump than Irving, but on paper 5'8" 200 doesn't look much bulkier than 5'9" 192. I don't think it's impossible for a guy with these dimensions to be long-term relevant, but workload limitations are still a looming threat IMO, even if his talent is legit.

Jamal Charles, Devon Achane and Jamyr Gibbs are a few more in this size bracket.

Agreed it's not ideal size, but the days of the bellcow are mostly over. These smaller, hyper efficient per touch guys that can make people miss will probably begin to populate the 'starting' RB pool as much as the prototype 5'10 225lber does.

Days of the bellcow are not ending as long as guys like Henry, Saquon, and Jacobs exist. Look at this year's top FF backs.

Charles, Achane, and Gibbs have elite track speed. Same for Chris Johnson. Irving ran a 4.55 at the combine. I don't feel as comfortable betting on a likely low volume back if his underlying explosiveness is not as elite. The possibility to compensate for low volume with chunk plays is not as strong. Irving ranks 28th in the NFL in carries and T-12th in explosive runs, which is moderately impressive, but not necessarily indicative of special big play flair. If he's a 5'9" 192 pound grinder then it's probably not the blueprint for enduring FF dominance. I'd lean towards people like Ekeler, Dunn, and Kyren as being his absolute best-case outcomes.

That's a good ceiling for the entry price, but there's also the possibility that he backslides ala Ameer Abdullah, Gio Bernard, or Julius Jones. There's a tendency when rookie backs flash talent to assume that the arrow always has to keep moving up and that the small sample size will always generalize to the rest of their careers. In reality it's not always that smooth, so if you are locking him in as a bankable dynasty commodity based on half a season of split duty then you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

I don't disagree with the majority of your post, but re: true bellcows - 2/3 names on your list are hall of famers. How many guys drafted in the last 4-5 years have been drafted with the intention of making them the true primary back? Breece, Bijan and maybe Najee? Of the prob dozen or so teams in the league that are employing 1 primary back, how many of them actually 'want' to be? I don't think NO or LAR are thrilled they havent been able to take more off the plate of their guys. CMC (another potential HOF) has probably seen his last days as a true bellcow after a season of what looked like an accumulation of overuse finally coming home to roost.

I think the devaluing of the position cap-wise and draft-capital wise has opened up the committee approach for most teams. Add to the the gradual rule changes being made to give the offensive players more space, and its no wonder you are getting some smaller guys at both RB and WR that are able to have a pretty significant impact on games.

As far as Bucky vs the previous 3 names I mentioned - yes he may not have the underwear speed that they do, and that probably won't equate to the amount of 60+ yard runs those guys tend to pop off, but (especially based on your own numbers) I think the efficiency at which he creates explosive runs shows he's "fast enough" and has the vision to find holes consistently to create the chunk plays you're looking for from your "lightning."

Not sure how many took him where he was going with the anticipation of him becoming a bonafide number 1 primary back, but the sample size we have thus far is showing that much like some of his smaller RB compatriots, he may not need that to be a fantasy asset.

I also don't believe for a second that the listed weight of a 22 year old at 192lbs means he's going to be 'undersized' his whole career. You aren't close to physical maturity at 22 years old. Not by a mile. If this guy wants to/its deemed necessary for him to put weight on, he will have 0 problem working his way up to the elusive 200lb mark while having no negative impact on his explosiveness (in fact I'll argue it might even help his speed).

I agree with most of this and can see him having some good seasons. He looks like a good pick both IRL and where he would've been taken in FF drafts. I've been using him a lot in DFS this season. I just think there are some likely limits on his long-term ceiling. I'd say the range of outcomes is roughly between Bernard and Ekeler. The high end of that is still a good ceiling.

However, I don't agree on the weight point. Weight gain is not just about effort. No amount of weight training is going to turn Randy Moss into TO or Jamaal Charles into Saquon Barkley. Body type is a lot more deterministic than that. By the time a player is old enough to arrive in the NFL after several years of high level college football, he probably is who he is from a physical standpoint. Thus Irving being on the low end of the weight/speed scale strikes me as a legitimate limitation rather than something to be brushed aside.

 

[kwille]

I got him as Mr. irrelevant, pick 36 in my rookie draft. I'm pretty satisfied and I'm keeping realistic expectations. So far the guy stands out as one of the better players on the field every time I watch a Bucs game.

 

[Grahamburn]

Why do we care about his weight? Durability? Or just bell cow potential? Those days are mostly gone and I don’t think there’s much of a correlation with weight and durability in general.

 

[LawFitz]

5.5 YPC with plenty of displayed contact balance, shiftiness, vision and burst. Will he plow thru piles? No. Does he need to?

 

[ATB]

Can we talk about what really matters: Is he actually playing this week?

And if not, could we be staring down the barrel at a multi-week absence to get his body right?

Which leads me to my next question: Sean Tucker?!

 

[Uncle Leo]

Seems like he get on the injury list and misses a few days and then winds up playing.

 

[Pietaster2]

Can we talk about what really matters: Is he actually playing this week?

And if not, could we be staring down the barrel at a multi-week absence to get his body right?

Which leads me to my next question: Sean Tucker?!

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Playing. Hot off the presses update.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

We are screwed

 

[elguapo07]

Did he get hurt?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Did he get hurt?

He got up being over at the waist after that nice 15 yard grab. Would be he reinjujred it

 

[jobarules]

Questionable to return with back.

 

[The General]

Should have benched him. Didn’t like this situation at all.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

awesome

 

[kface]

@packer_junkie

Irving 4 carries for 3 yds in the 1st Half, Top 10 nominee this week for most sites on their projections, Top 15 across the board
What does White have so far? 8/50 rush and 10/70/TD overall

Lot of football left today, wouldn't surprise me if Irving bust a few chunk plays 2nd Half
Irving has been owning it lately, thought this debate was settled and maybe it is but White seems to be prevailing today when investors need Irving the most Week 14

I believe Irving is hurt

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@packer_junkie

Irving 4 carries for 3 yds in the 1st Half, Top 10 nominee this week for most sites on their projections, Top 15 across the board
What does White have so far? 8/50 rush and 10/70/TD overall

Lot of football left today, wouldn't surprise me if Irving bust a few chunk plays 2nd Half
Irving has been owning it lately, thought this debate was settled and maybe it is but White seems to be prevailing today when investors need Irving the most Week 14

I believe Irving is hurt

I did not know that, quickly erased, maybe you'd be kind and do likewise?
Packer and I have just been going back and forth with each other, nothing above a mild voice raise
He's been respectful, I had no idea

 

[Mitchie]

well that su****, supposedly fine for next week per Jay Glazer, guess will have to decide if want to roll the dice again.

 

[Grahamburn]

Should have benched him. Didn’t like this situation at all.

Bucs should have as well and got Tucker ready to play. This was a new injury though (back).

 

[jobarules]

Should have benched him. Didn’t like this situation at all.

Bucs should have as well and got Tucker ready to play. This was a new injury though (back).

He was listed as Questionable all week with hip/back injuries.

 

[steelcityman]

Not starting Bucky next week unless I have no other options. White did well enough to not have to push Bucky next week.