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RB Cam Skattebo, NYG (5 Viewers)
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Drake Hater
Footballguy
Contact balance is incredible and he loves to play the game. Lots of fun to watch. An actual passing attack would help him so much.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
YYYYYYYeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
YYYYYYYeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Well, Tracy is better in all phases.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Cam looked better last night than Tracy has yet this season IMO. So I'd disagree on that "better in all phases" take.
Insein
Footballguy
Not sure what Dart has to offer but Wilson can't have too much time left.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Tracy got hurt early, last night was the first game where they had Andrew Thomas back and KC was giving NY the run. The rightly took away the deep shots from Russ. If Skatteboo wasn't so slow he might have done more with what he was given.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Translation..."Cam Skattebo isn't fast and can't hit homeruns"
WHO CARES! The guy has a heart of a lion and runs THROUGH people! Give me Skat over Tracy all day.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm a giants fan as much as a fantasy player. I own plenty of Skatteboo
But I dont see running through people as a plus, its going to lessen everything about him, there was a sideline run and instead of sliding out of bounds, he slams his helmet into the helmet of the defender. Now he had help over the top, he wasn't breaking one, he just ran to contact.
Concussion waiting to happen. He will find and get all the contact he needs without seeking it out.
What I don't get is, 1st and goal from the 5, he doesn't see the ball. Is that telling me what the team sees in him? Should't that be Skat for 4 downs?
georg013
Footballguy
In redraft leagues we only need him for one year. Long term, I believe that part of his game will be phased out with maturity. Just like quarterbacks who had to learn to slide. There have been plenty of power backs in the league who turned it on when they had to. Killa Cam is no different. Right now he is trying to prove himself and build an identity. It is working.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
His low center of gravity and instinct on contact is something he uses to his advantage. Injuries can happen to any player so maybe he gets hurt, maybe not. Just enjoy the ride.
TripItUp
Footballguy
premature victory lap
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Last Giant Rookie RB to do that after a TD was David Wilson... oh the horror
TripItUp
Footballguy
He's all testosterone and built like a bowling ball.
I think this is a fair concern long term though.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I don't know man that reads like trying to rewrite the narrative and more of a scorned Tracy owner than anything... but not worth arguing about. An opinion is what it is.
I already made my arguments about Skattebo's speed and how I think people grossly overrate the trait for RBs in general months ago.
Also his physicality being used as a negative seems like bad process to me. He's not a QB, he's a RB. And realistically, if he truly was just trying to smash into defenders on every play he wouldn't have finished 2nd in missed tackles forced per attempt among all NCAA RBs last year (only behind Jeanty), nor would he have the gaudy YAC numbers he had on both rushing and receiving attempts. And small of a glimpse as it was; he showed the same elusiveness and contact balance in this last game for the Giants.
When he's on concussion number 3 and missing games because of it, I think anyone lodging the "playstyle" complaint will have some traction. Till then it's basically pearl clutching IMO.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I dont think he plays the last 14 games myself, so there is a long term of this season to consider.
I wish he'd wear the neck roll though just for effect
LawFitz
Footballguy
You seem to be wish-casting. I won't deny Cam's style very obviously carries increased injury risk. But still, your posts in the last 24 hours read like someone who is upset for whatever reason that Cam looks better than Tracy. That's no knock on Tracy, who is a fine RB in his own right, but ironically enough may actually carry more injury risk given he's a converted WR who got concussed last season after getting featured, and is already dinged up this season after less than three games.
Bottom line for me is both backs are good, but Cam looks like a man-child, and now that he's broken out, you aren't going to stuff him back into the bottle. At best for Tracy, this is an RBBC from here out when both are healthy - at worst, Cam's energy infects the team and he becomes one of their heart-and-soul players. Dood exudes ALPHA and NFL locker rooms love and follow these types of warriors.
And he is NOT slow. He has plenty enough NFL-level short-area burst and elusiveness, which is what matters for an RB. You lose me everytime you state otherwise.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Agree. Hard not to attribute it to sour grapes Tracy owners and/or take lock from the talent deniers pre-draft.
Was probably the boards loudest Cam banner waiver this off season and even I'm impressed. I really didn't think he'd even start getting meaningful work till late in the season. The 11 attempts last week pre Tracy injury were a surprise to me. But Tracy was looking pedestrian weeks 1 and 2 and Daboll is coaching for his job so hindsight it makes sense. Now the bigger question is when they smash the Dart button. Wilson lengthened his noose with that stellar game against the Cowboys last week, but I think it will still be sooner than later. Even if Dart doesn't immediately improve the passing game a ton, I think he will be a fantasy boon to Cam with the short/check down passing game.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
He's not pulling away from anyone in the NFL. If we are to trust his short burst speed, ability and agility, again I wonder why the team didn't on 1st and goal. Because as best I can tell, when the chiefs needed it, he pinned their ears back.
I hope he's a fine player, nice TD run.
I think we are getting a little fools goldly looking at this guy on national TV though, Spags played a two high shell on steroids I assume due to Nabers getting so few targets and nothing be available in Russ's normal wheelhouse down field. Good coaching, not suprisinng, probably the best DC in the NFL.
The offshoot of that is, you're gonna have space to do what Skatteboo did last night, pick up some underneath chunks, and credit to him for doing it. But he did as designed, it was a bend don't break philosophy because they knew he couldn't beat them. Not in the way Tracy could have in terms of turning 8 yard runs into 20 yard runs.
I'm just trying to put this game in perspective, they got Thomas back, who when you look at this splits with and without him for the giants running game, are stark. If Thomas can stay healthy this year, thats great, I hope he can but he's been very injury prone in his career.
My Skatteboo feelings may be more giants colored than anything so take that with a grain of salt. They're 0-3 and the town is excited because this aardvark did a backflip
100%. All that stupid "he's a FB" stuff was just uninformed nonsense, and honestly disrespectful.
This is an NFL RB, and a starting caliber one, who had much more in common with the likes of David Montgomery, Kareem Hunt, and James Conner than he did with some random non-CMC white RB, or FB.
I'll still stand by what I said in April. I thought he was the 3rd best RB in this class, and better than either Ohio State guy. He should have been drafted 2 rounds earlier than he was.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I don't have any Skatteboo in any home leagues, just ffpc, so no trades. But if I had him, off everyone seeing him last night, I'd be shopping him for Treyveon Henderson.
If that Pats game was on national tv, he'd be getting the hype train based on the New England fumbles.
Giants have a terrible schedule and are staring down a QB change which could be good but will likely be filled with growing pains.
If that Pats game was on national tv, he'd be getting the hype train based on the New England fumbles.
Giants have a terrible schedule and are staring down a QB change which could be good but will likely be filled with growing pains.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Skat is a really fun player to watch. What a baller, but making a living by breaking tackles in the NFL probly isn’t sustainable as a feature back. He’s got a little juice, but I can’t see him ever shaking loose of a RBBC (unless there’s an injury).
Long-term, I think Skat has a chance to make for some nice depth. You’ll always have to watch out for him getting replaced by a more dynamic player, though. I didn’t see Skat as a 1st round rookie talent for that reason. He’s more like a typical mid-late 2nd, IMO.
Long-term, I think Skat has a chance to make for some nice depth. You’ll always have to watch out for him getting replaced by a more dynamic player, though. I didn’t see Skat as a 1st round rookie talent for that reason. He’s more like a typical mid-late 2nd, IMO.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Definitely understand the sentiment. I would say that 'breakaway' speed is the most overrated skill for an RB, IMO. I mean Bijan's longest career run is 39 yards. I'm not saying it's not great to have, but it's not a death knell by any stretch.
What he has shown though so far, and there was a lot of question as to whether this ability would translate at the NFL level, is contact balance.
Is this guy going to be a CMC/Bijan level player? Not likely...but as a legitimate piece to an NFL run game...sure.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Agreed on the not likely part. But that is true for every rookie RB, even those who flash, as Cam now has. That said, he has the tools - health permitting - to be a 3-down back who can make impact plays in both the run and passing game. Giants sucking won't do him any favors this year at least - Jax Dart is a total wildcard in that, in either direction. But to my eye, Cam flashes all the tools he displayed in college that made him a STUD RB, including but not limited to elite contact balance, power, elusiveness, blocking and receiving. I'm not limiting his possibilities at this point of becoming a stud in the NFL as well. We shall see. It's WAY too early to crown anyone, but early returns look promising.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Imo he’s a very dynamic player, he just doesn’t have breakaway speed. I don’t have “easily replaceable plodder risk” as a major concern
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Giants RB Tyrone Tracy dislocated his shoulder in the first half of Sunday night's loss to the Chiefs and is expected to miss some time, per sources. He had seven carries for 29 yards prior to injury.
Rookie Cam Skattebo will likely step into a bigger role with Tracy sidelined.
@JordanRaanan
Giants RB Tyrone Tracy dislocated his shoulder in the first half of Sunday night's loss to the Chiefs and is expected to miss some time, per sources. He had seven carries for 29 yards prior to injury.
Rookie Cam Skattebo will likely step into a bigger role with Tracy sidelined.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
It's like John Riggins had a baby and passed on all his traits to him.. And remember, Riggo played until his mid 30s, you CAN be a violent runner and truck over people and still have a long career IF you are built different. Riggo was a rare breed, and I think Skattebo has the same DNA. I don't care for the Giants being a Washington homer, but I'm a HUGE fan of this young man. He's so much fun to watch and cheer for. Can you imagine if everyone in the league loved playing the way he does? Too many Primadonna's and not enough blue collar guys like him.
He’s totally a Riggins-type player. That said, easier to have longevity with that style in the 70s than it is 50 years later with the size, speed, and physicality that defenders now possess. Not saying Skattebo can’t have staying power, but the violence is tenfold what it used to be.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
That's a good point, but the advancement in sports medicine goes both ways, for both him and defenders. But yeah, with violent runners you just have to hold your breath sometimes, and enjoy it while we got it.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I wouldn't call Skat easily replaceable or a plodder, and he does have a little juice, but he'll be at risk of being replaced (theoretically) every draft. Most all the top RBs are pretty dynamic...or at least more dynamic than Skat. Skateboo is a wrecking ball and has to make his living breaking tackles.
That's really not a sustainable way for feature backs to thrive. Skat is a spot starter, IMO. Next week looks good with Tracy's injury. When Tracy is healthy, it depends on opponent, how the offense is looking, etc. He still can be valuable as a spot starter.
Reads like exactly what I saw last night. Tracy was doing just fine before his injury.
And say what you want about Cam's speed, he isn't Tracy. I thought last night was the start of a true 50/50 split between two different type of backs.
I also think there is validity to any concerns of him holding up. Fact is, this isn't college football. He plays physical. It's awesome.
But is it sustainable?
Agree.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I liked what I saw. Not gonna lie. He had more burst than I thought.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Well the bolded part of your post is still far cry from this take of yours...
The fact a 4th round rookie RB who in your view was the RB3 to start the season is getting a 50/50 split already by week 3 with Tracy, despite you saying Tracy is the better back feels noteworthy does it not?
And unless you have a magic 8 ball that can predict injuries, it feels like a fools errand. The community as a whole can barely predict injuries from players who've already accrued multiple injuries in their career. But several here seem very comfortable predicting them for a 23 year old without much of a history of them at all. Just because he's a RB who doesn't avoid contact lol. Ultimately the "is it sustainable" question is answered, it is until it isn't. And no one knows when that will be, or even if it will be.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
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he was likely an RB4 because he was already hurt in camp, fell a round or 2 over the summer
miqws
Footballguy
John Riggins - Kansas high school two-time indoor track state champ at 60 yards, and two-time state 100 yard dash champ.. Scattebo not in the same neighborhood as Riggins in terms of speed but he is going to freight train NFL tackling.
breakaway speed is overrated.
if the RB doesnt have the abilty to read their blocks and get through the hole, the breakaway speed matters little.
what breakaway speed does is once you hit the hole and get through into the secondary, that breakaway speed can take your 10-12 yard run and turn it into a 30 or 40 + yard run.
I think reading the blocks and hitting the hole are the more important things you need to be successful as a RB. the breakaway speed isnt necessary but is a nice bonus if you have it.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
there’s also a difference, in the short term at least, between winning collisions and losing collisions. If he was trying to ironhead 350lb nose tackles and getting pasted that’d be bad, but I don’t think trucksticking guys you’re capable of trucksticking is all that bad for you, if you’re built for it. Marion barber type shortened career is certainly on the table but it seemingly worked fine for Marshawn (who’s still one of the sharper ex-players conversationally as well)
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I wish Riggins got more national love. He really was amazing, to have that power, that speed, and that durability over his career. Plus he was always HILARIOUS in front of a microphone. He and Clinton Portis are the all time Washington greats when it comes to interviews and one liners.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I just hope the Giants don't get too many Sunday night games. I'm not sure I can handle Collinsworth repeating that name over and over and completely losing his wad on every one of his touches.
HIs QB love is one thing. Being able to say "THIS CAM SKATTEBO IS SOMETHING SPECIAL MIKE. JUST LOOK HOW SKATTEBO JUST SCATS THROUGH THE LINE. THAT POWER. THAT BALANCE. THIS CAM SKATTEBO IS REALLY NEW AND FRESH, PEOPLE" 25 times a game is pure hell waiting.
HIs QB love is one thing. Being able to say "THIS CAM SKATTEBO IS SOMETHING SPECIAL MIKE. JUST LOOK HOW SKATTEBO JUST SCATS THROUGH THE LINE. THAT POWER. THAT BALANCE. THIS CAM SKATTEBO IS REALLY NEW AND FRESH, PEOPLE" 25 times a game is pure hell waiting.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Two honests make a dishonest
What are you even talking about? You grabbed a quote from weeks ago and compared it to what I said recently?
Have you literally been holding on to that waiting for this moment?
And it wasn't just me saying it. He literally was the RB3 at the time. Also, am I not allowed to change my opinion after the first few weeks of the season?
There are debates constantly on this page, but this one is just odd.
Edit: I had to go find my quote you referenced. August 7th and not even in this thread. It was in the Tracy thread.
So you're saying I can't change my opinion after almost 7 weeks??
