RB Cam Skattebo, NYG (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

Sounds like Tracy may be back tomorrow night.

I think this is a 50/50 thunder and lightning split going forward.

Maybe going forward forward

I still don't think Tracy is dead. It was his first game back. He wasn't even the second RB into the game.
Yes it's pretty clear Cam is the #1, but I still think Tracy will become more involved. Game scripts may dictate that as well.

I agree Tracy is not dead, and will have a more-involved role. I don't see it becoming close to 50/50, barring the injury wishcasting being granted, and save for situations where they decide they don't need to run Cam to try to win, in the gamescript angle you mentioned. But you said basically the same in a different way with Cam the clear #1 now.

 

[Faust]

The 33rd Team
Cam Skattebo gained positive yards on all 19 of his carries on TNF

He's the first back this season to record 18+ carries without a 0/negative yard rush

https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1976653112653054158?s=61

 

[Chemical X]

glad i rested him this week in favour of hassan chop.

oh no... oh no

i figured tracy was back, game script would be negative and hassan would chop the phins. really need a 20 pointer from hassan to offset this over thinking.

 

[Insein]

The way Dabol looked at and interacted with both players on the sideline was telling. Most coaches rarely reveal this type of admiration and love for players let alone ROOKiES. He is in love with these two and it’s fun to see. They are saving his job.

They literally are saving his job. Any boss that knew that would be loving their guys like that too. The desperation from Daboll checking on Dart in the tent is real. He knows Wilson will lead to his walking papers.

 

[menobrown]

I think he's getting overrated as a real life player and don't mind sticking my neck out saying that, which usually does not go over well on a fantasy message board after a 30 burger.

He's a good short yardage runner who can wear on a defense, especially a tired one on short week with their best run defender out and he's got some decent pass catching skills. These are good traits for fantasy and as long as he gets this kind of volume he's a good fantasy player, which is what most of us care about in the short term.

And he's fun and brings a lot of energy to his team.

I don't think the NFL was really wrong to let him go to rd 4 though. Suppose if every team that drafted a RB ahead of him could have a do over the only team that would likely take it is the Steelers. Well put another way the Steelers would do a do over I'm sure, but they might prefer someone else.

Also I'm curious at all the people calling this a "statement win" for the Giants. Just 4 days before Denver went into Philly, beat them and everyone was crowing about it being Paytons first "statement win" in Denver. If two teams beat the same team in a 4 day span, does that really qualify as statement wins or are they just catching a team that's down right now?

 

[Insein]

I think he's getting overrated as a real life player and don't mind sticking my neck out saying that, which usually does not go over well on a fantasy message board after a 30 burger.

He's a good short yardage runner who can wear on a defense, especially a tired one on short week with their best run defender out and he's got some decent pass catching skills. These are good traits for fantasy and as long as he gets this kind of volume he's a good fantasy player, which is what most of us care about in the short term.

And he's fun and brings a lot of energy to his team.

I don't think the NFL was really wrong to let him go to rd 4 though. Suppose if every team that drafted a RB ahead of him could have a do over the only team that would likely take it is the Steelers. Well put another way the Steelers would do a do over I'm sure, but they might prefer someone else.

Also I'm curious at all the people calling this a "statement win" for the Giants. Just 4 days before Denver went into Philly, beat them and everyone was crowing about it being Paytons first "statement win" in Denver. If two teams beat the same team in a 4 day span, does that really qualify as statement wins or are they just catching a team that's down right now?

They're the defending champs. Every win against them is a statement win. Jacksonvilles win over KC was a "statement" win because KC won 2 of the last 3 super bowls. Doesn't matter that the team is down now. The prestige is all the media cares about.

 

[menobrown]

I think he's getting overrated as a real life player and don't mind sticking my neck out saying that, which usually does not go over well on a fantasy message board after a 30 burger.

He's a good short yardage runner who can wear on a defense, especially a tired one on short week with their best run defender out and he's got some decent pass catching skills. These are good traits for fantasy and as long as he gets this kind of volume he's a good fantasy player, which is what most of us care about in the short term.

And he's fun and brings a lot of energy to his team.

I don't think the NFL was really wrong to let him go to rd 4 though. Suppose if every team that drafted a RB ahead of him could have a do over the only team that would likely take it is the Steelers. Well put another way the Steelers would do a do over I'm sure, but they might prefer someone else.

Also I'm curious at all the people calling this a "statement win" for the Giants. Just 4 days before Denver went into Philly, beat them and everyone was crowing about it being Paytons first "statement win" in Denver. If two teams beat the same team in a 4 day span, does that really qualify as statement wins or are they just catching a team that's down right now?

They're the defending champs. Every win against them is a statement win. Jacksonvilles win over KC was a "statement" win because KC won 2 of the last 3 super bowls. Doesn't matter that the team is down now. The prestige is all the media cares about.

Ok, just not how I see it. Last year was last year. When Denver beat Philly I was ok with it being a statement win. When you see how bad they were a few days later that takes away it being a statement win for both teams IMO. Felt good in the moment, but not what it's cracked up to be. Just solid wins.

 

[pinkstapler]

I think he's getting overrated as a real life player and don't mind sticking my neck out saying that, which usually does not go over well on a fantasy message board after a 30 burger.

He's a good short yardage runner who can wear on a defense, especially a tired one on short week with their best run defender out and he's got some decent pass catching skills. These are good traits for fantasy and as long as he gets this kind of volume he's a good fantasy player, which is what most of us care about in the short term.

And he's fun and brings a lot of energy to his team.

I don't think the NFL was really wrong to let him go to rd 4 though. Suppose if every team that drafted a RB ahead of him could have a do over the only team that would likely take it is the Steelers. Well put another way the Steelers would do a do over I'm sure, but they might prefer someone else.

Also I'm curious at all the people calling this a "statement win" for the Giants. Just 4 days before Denver went into Philly, beat them and everyone was crowing about it being Paytons first "statement win" in Denver. If two teams beat the same team in a 4 day span, does that really qualify as statement wins or are they just catching a team that's down right now?

They're the defending champs. Every win against them is a statement win. Jacksonvilles win over KC was a "statement" win because KC won 2 of the last 3 super bowls. Doesn't matter that the team is down now. The prestige is all the media cares about.

Ok, just not how I see it. Last year was last year. When Denver beat Philly I was ok with it being a statement win. When you see how bad they were a few days later that takes away it being a statement win for both teams IMO. Felt good in the moment, but not what it's cracked up to be. Just solid wins.

Statement win is kind of like generational player (to a lesser degree) in the media IMO. Gets thrown around so much it loses it's meaning; or at the very least there are wide breadth of definitions.

I do think it was a big win for the Giants because Philly, despite their struggles, were still 4-1 coming into the week. But also because the Giants just haven't looked that good this season either. So it was kind of the combination of them beating the Eagles, but also them looking like a more competent team than I would have guessed in rookie Dart's 3rd ever start. A guy who I liked, but I was also saying most of the off season that he should sit and learn for most of this year. I'm still cautious about trying to project his fantasy future tbh (though the rushing upside is obv intriguing), but if I was a Giants fan I'd be ecstatic haha. Playing relatively mistake free football and bouncing back from a meh performance against the Saints felt big for him, and the team.

 

[georg013]

Some people just don’t like him and that’s ok. He’s the starter on the Giants, they’re moving the ball, and he is a top 10 fantasy scorer in PPR. That’s all that matters to most.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Scatteboo, Scatteboo
Will you do the Fandango?

Ii sure seems like it.

 

[DocHolliday]

Some people just don’t like him and that’s ok. He’s the starter on the Giants, they’re moving the ball, and he is a top 10 fantasy scorer in PPR. That’s all that matters to most.

And he was a steal for the Giants in the real draft.

 

[Terpman22]

Of course I trade this guy right before he goes off in a dynasty.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Too slow to be tackled I guess…

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Fun to watch but the way the Giants are using him and the way this guy runs I'd be surprised if he makes it to the end of the season. Also, is he always shaking his head or is he always concussed? Seemed like he was constantly shaking off a big hit after every play.

 

[menobrown]

Some people just don’t like him and that’s ok. He’s the starter on the Giants, they’re moving the ball, and he is a top 10 fantasy scorer in PPR. That’s all that matters to most.

And he was a steal for the Giants in the real draft.

I think he was drafted where he should have drafted.

 

[DocHolliday]

Some people just don’t like him and that’s ok. He’s the starter on the Giants, they’re moving the ball, and he is a top 10 fantasy scorer in PPR. That’s all that matters to most.

And he was a steal for the Giants in the real draft.

I think he was drafted where he should have drafted.

I think he was drafted properly but he is out producing most expectations making him a steal so far. Tough to predict injuries but his running style does seem like it will cause him to miss games most seasons.

 

[menobrown]

Some people just don’t like him and that’s ok. He’s the starter on the Giants, they’re moving the ball, and he is a top 10 fantasy scorer in PPR. That’s all that matters to most.

And he was a steal for the Giants in the real draft.

I think he was drafted where he should have drafted.

I think he was drafted properly but he is out producing most expectations making him a steal so far. Tough to predict injuries but his running style does seem like it will cause him to miss games most seasons.

I can get behind that and I can most certainly get behind he was what this exact team needed, on and off the field.

My comment was just more in line with where he went relative to other RB's. If I was me, based on what I've seen so far, I've move him over one RB that was drafted ahead of him but also under 1* RB drafted after him. That's pretty much what I meant about being drafted about where he should have been.

ETA-I would take two RB's that were drafted after him, but that's in a vacuum. For the Giants, he was the right pick.

 

[Boston]

This kid just reeks of old school (Riggins-esque for us old-timers)...a real throwback and he looks like he is legit crazy (in a good way)...you can already tell there are some defenders that are not in a rush to challenge him...he was absolutely awesome at ASU last year and with his style he had his skeptics (I wasn't one but I fully understood the concerns because they were potentially real) as far as the next level was concerned but it appears his game is translating to the NFL in a nice way...I am now convinced this kid is the real deal...the Giants went from a sinking ship to showing a lot of life with two exciting young players in Dart and Skattebo that have brought a totally different attitude to this team and the fans...fantasy-wise I think he is going to be at least a solid #2 RB with potential to be a #1...the x-factor with him is he is good in the receiving game and guys that play with his hammer-style usually don't have that dynamic or at least to the extent he appears to have it...if you own him in Dynasty (I do in one league) you have to be real fired-up right now...it is turning into best case scenario for him right now.

 

[BespokeJort]

Fun to watch but the way the Giants are using him and the way this guy runs I'd be surprised if he makes it to the end of the season. Also, is he always shaking his head or is he always concussed? Seemed like he was constantly shaking off a big hit after every play.

He always shakes his head. He got interviewed about it in college and I think said something to the effect of it’s him talking to himself

 

[Proteus]

He's Gimli from LOTR, a battle axe personified, and it's an $8 Uber ride from one of his eyes to the other. What's not to love? He's old school and Rigginsish alright. But in a world where social media immediately amplifies everything, he's more than that. He's making a fast push to be the new face of the NFL if they have any real sense about why this game draws so many people. I sincerely hope his body can endure his mode of play.

 

[Boston]

He's Gimli from LOTR, a battle axe personified, and it's an $8 Uber ride from one of his eyes to the other. What's not to love? He's old school and Rigginsish alright. But in a world where social media immediately amplifies everything, he's more than that. He's making a fast push to be the new face of the NFL if they have any real sense about why this game draws so many people. I sincerely hope his body can endure his mode of play.

Could not agree more...this is an NFL wet dream...the Giants went from a totally boring and irrelevant team in the major media market to a cool national team almost overnight...get ready to see a lot of Skattebo and Dart all over every media/social media platform (I bet their jersey sales skyrocket)...these two kids have over the top swag and it seems legit which is what you hope for...add in Carter and the Giants are suddenly a "hot" team...no one saw this coming...no one.

 

[BassNBrew]

He's Gimli from LOTR, a battle axe personified, and it's an $8 Uber ride from one of his eyes to the other. What's not to love? He's old school and Rigginsish alright. But in a world where social media immediately amplifies everything, he's more than that. He's making a fast push to be the new face of the NFL if they have any real sense about why this game draws so many people. I sincerely hope his body can endure his mode of play.

Could not agree more...this is an NFL wet dream...the Giants went from a totally boring and irrelevant team in the major media market to a cool national team almost overnight...get ready to see a lot of Skattebo and Dart all over every media/social media platform (I bet their jersey sales skyrocket)...these two kids have over the top swag and it seems legit which is what you hope for...add in Carter and the Giants are suddenly a "hot" team...no one saw this coming...no one.

Well the Saints certainly saw them coming.

 

[ffmail4me]

Just curious, who would our PPR dynasty owners rather have moving forward, Skattebo (aka John Riggins Jr.) or Croskey-Merritt?

 

[dickey moe]

it's an $8 Uber ride from one of his eyes to the other.

 

[rockaction]

Just curious, who would our PPR dynasty owners rather have moving forward, Skattebo (aka John Riggins Jr.) or Croskey-Merritt?

They're both totally singular. Croskey-Merritt, when they put a GPS on him at the Shrine Game (I think it was there and not at Big 12 Pro Day) had the best deceleration they'd ever clocked and they'd been doing it for a bunch of years. Ironically, it was Tyrone Tracy that had them agog with deceleration the year before. 4/12/2001 vs. 2/5/2002, so twelve months. Skattebo jumping a hair's breath away from the measurements of guys who have bodies that run 4.35 is ridiculous. This is not a fluke. I don't think we'll ever see Skattebo high step the last ten yards of a seventy-yard house call, but we might see plenty of twenty-yard rumbles at the ends of games.

Bill has less wear, I think.
Skattebo seems to eat wear like it was nothing.

I think I'd go with JCM just watching him, but that's awfully tough. I mean I don't know how to separate team from accomplishment because right now there isn't any bit of rate stat that matters that Bill isn't leading the league in.

YAC/carry

Bill - 4.3
Skattebo - 2.93

Explosive Run %

Bill - 16.28%
Skattebo - 6.10%

I wish I had missed forced tackles but that's generally paywalled - that's the stat and PFF says Skattebo was 2nd in all of the FBS and is still going in the NFL.

Success rate %

Bill - 62.79%
Skattebo - 42.68%

There's more. The thing that Skattebo has going for him is volume and red zone touches, and what you have to ask yourself is that coach-dependent and how stable is the coaching situation? I don't think many coaches wouldn't start Skattebo after watching this, but there's always the danger of a new coach that needs to prove he's boss by looking at a guy like Skattebo, who becomes an unwitting cult hero and fan favorite with a unique style and maybe a limitation or two, and after looking askance at the fan favorite, busts some nuts for the **** of it and proceeds to ride our hero's *** out of town on a rail.

I remember in the NHL when Rick Ley, who had once been called "Mr. Whaler" in Hartford from his WHA (World Hockey Association) days, came back as Hartford's GM and was jokingly introduced to the new "Mr. Whaler," Ron Francis, by the press and it went over . . . not so well. By all accounts by anyone who met him, Ron is just a nice guy and genuine soul who actually liked Hartford (God Bless him) and Ley rewarded our best player, hardest worker, and probably best dude in the community by complaining about his style of hockey, stripping him of the captaincy within a year, and then trading him to Pittsburgh with Ulf Samuelsson and Garth (party on, Wayne!) Jennings for Zarley Zalapski and John Cullen—a trade so disastrous and utterly confounding to everybody that I can't believe, even at the age of 52, that some men make out of the building without . . . well, you know. I mean, Pittsburgh went on to win two Stanley Cups with Mario and Jagr on the first line and Ron and whoever on the second and the Whalers wound up in Carolina less than seven years later. So yeah, coach-dependent and Daboll wanting to play rock-'em sock-'em robots with the guys in the medical tent and even just the med tent itself doesn't bode well for anybody involved.

Anyway, we're gonna find out all about Bill in three-four weeks and i don't think his price ever comes back down to earth again, but neither will Skattebo's and that's about that.

I'll take the guy from March. JCM.

 

[Bad_Mo2]

Fun to watch but the way the Giants are using him and the way this guy runs I'd be surprised if he makes it to the end of the season. Also, is he always shaking his head or is he always concussed? Seemed like he was constantly shaking off a big hit after every play.

He always shakes his head. He got interviewed about it in college and I think said something to the effect of it’s him talking to himself

Or, early onset CTE...

 

[dipandglide]

Just curious, who would our PPR dynasty owners rather have moving forward, Skattebo (aka John Riggins Jr.) or Croskey-Merritt?

Skatt without question in PPR. It's closer in non-PPR.

 

[The Frankman]

Fun to watch but the way the Giants are using him and the way this guy runs I'd be surprised if he makes it to the end of the season. Also, is he always shaking his head or is he always concussed? Seemed like he was constantly shaking off a big hit after every play.

He always shakes his head. He got interviewed about it in college and I think said something to the effect of it’s him talking to himself

Or, early onset CTE...

It's already been said that Cam Skattebo won't get CTE.

CTE will get Cam Skattebo.