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RB Cam Skattebo, NYG (5 Viewers)

Reads like exactly what I saw last night. Tracy was doing just fine before his injury.
And say what you want about Cam's speed, he isn't Tracy. I thought last night was the start of a true 50/50 split between two different type of backs.

I also think there is validity to any concerns of him holding up. Fact is, this isn't college football. He plays physical. It's awesome.
But is it sustainable?
Well the bolded part of your post is still far cry from this take of yours...
Jordan Ranaan on NYG RBs: “It’s 100% Tyrone Tracy… there is no competition”


For all the Skattebo hype, Tracy has quietly been putting up a solid camp: Russ’ #2 most targeted player and getting the lion’s share of starter reps.

This piece is a Skattebo feature but it still notes:

Tyrone Tracy looks like a different player entering his second season - more confident, tremendous fluidity and burst…
Daboll said something similar last week and in yesterday’s presser

I don't even think Skattebo is RB2. I still think that belongs to Singletary.
The fact a 4th round rookie RB who in your view was the RB3 to start the season is getting a 50/50 split already by week 3 with Tracy, despite you saying Tracy is the better back feels noteworthy does it not?

And unless you have a magic 8 ball that can predict injuries, it feels like a fools errand. The community as a whole can barely predict injuries from players who've already accrued multiple injuries in their career. But several here seem very comfortable predicting them for a 23 year old without much of a history of them at all. Just because he's a RB who doesn't avoid contact lol. Ultimately the "is it sustainable" question is answered, it is until it isn't. And no one knows when that will be, or even if it will be.
What are you even talking about? You grabbed a quote from weeks ago and compared it to what I said recently?
Have you literally been holding on to that waiting for this moment?

And it wasn't just me saying it. He literally was the RB3 at the time. Also, am I not allowed to change my opinion after the first few weeks of the season?

There are debates constantly on this page, but this one is just odd.
Don't make it personal bud and also don't fill in blanks that aren't there with things I didn't say. I didn't say you can't change your mind, and I didn't challenge the fact that you were wrong that he was RB3 at that point. He was injured through most of camp and didn't get to even work with the team, feels obvious that's where he'd be as a rookie. I'm saying that he went from a rookie 4th round pick who missed a good chunk of camp and was 3rd on the depth chart and in just three weeks he went to a 50% share situation. Quoted you on it as we both seem to be saying the same things, yet while I'm saying it's a significant thing for Skat, you seem to be waiving it off as nothing. And you said a few times you think Tracy is the more talented guy. This in the face of (yes, small sample size) Skat doing more with his opportunities than Tracy. So it feels like if anything, it should have even more of an impression on you than people like me who thought Skat is more talented and has a higher ceiling than Tracy. Trying to make sense of that. Not have some gotcha moment...
 
Skat is a really fun player to watch. What a baller, but making a living by breaking tackles in the NFL probly isn’t sustainable as a feature back. He’s got a little juice, but I can’t see him ever shaking loose of a RBBC (unless there’s an injury).

Long-term, I think Skat has a chance to make for some nice depth. You’ll always have to watch out for him getting replaced by a more dynamic player, though. I didn’t see Skat as a 1st round rookie talent for that reason. He’s more like a typical mid-late 2nd, IMO.
Imo he’s a very dynamic player, he just doesn’t have breakaway speed. I don’t have “easily replaceable plodder risk” as a major concern
I wouldn't call Skat easily replaceable or a plodder, and he does have a little juice, but he'll be at risk of being replaced (theoretically) every draft. Most all the top RBs are pretty dynamic...or at least more dynamic than Skat. Skateboo is a wrecking ball and has to make his living breaking tackles.

That's really not a sustainable way for feature backs to thrive. Skat is a spot starter, IMO. Next week looks good with Tracy's injury. When Tracy is healthy, it depends on opponent, how the offense is looking, etc. He still can be valuable as a spot starter.
This is just demonstrably wrong though. He was one of the best receiving backs in the class, he was one of the most elusive backs in the class with forcing missed tackles, he not only played all three downs in college but excelled in all game scripts and situations. Hell, he could even pass the ball competently in flickers and trick plays. He's about as dynamic as they come except he doesn't have breakaway speed. Which again, doesn't matter if you can still churn out chunk plays. He had more than a dozen 30+ yard runs in college last year, and 4-5 60+ yard runs. That's all you need to be a starter in the NFL, the ability to turn the field over. Even the fastest backs in the league don't get house calls often because of the way defenses in the league are now built. LBs and safeties are preferred smaller and faster to take away one play scores in favor of giving up smaller gains underneath. Hence why I keep saying, breakaway speed is overrated; it's a nice to have but not a need as the opportunities to use it come maybe 2-3 times an entire season, if that.

Ultimately, as much as I like Cam he needs to prove it on the field which he hasn't done yet. But I don't get people automatically writing off his POTENTIAL to be a feature back in spite of what evidence we DO have clearly showing it's completely within the realm of possibility. Much more so than a number of other backs people ascribe that potential to.

Someone earlier mentioned trying to trade Cam for Henderson which I think is a long shot at best in redraft or dynasty. I don't think many, if any, owner is straight up swapping a guy they drafted in redraft in the 4th/5th for a guy taken in the 8th/9th or later based solely on what we've seen so far. Even less of a shot in dynasty, again because of initial investment and an incredibly small sample size. But looking at that small sample size, so far Cam has shown in a game and a half more of being a feature back than Henderson has. That's just the reality of the tape. Again, I think I've been the biggest Cam guy around since February; but even I figured he wouldn't be getting work till late this season. So what he's done so far on a garbage team behind a garbage line in spite of poor draft capital, missing camp, and being behind an entrenched starter who performed great last year should be noted by anyone who wants to win in fantasy. Feels wild this even has to be a debate tbh, especially jumping from this thread to one like JCMs lol.
 
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I almost always come back and take my whupping if I didn't believe in a guy and wrote about it. So wow. That was just something Sunday night. I'm looking at all these stats and they either tell you he's amazing or they tell you he's still below average.

I don't know how to evaluate this dude. I'm no scout nor pro. I wish I didn't roster Tracy because then I could really enjoy this guy while he flashes, dazzles, burns bright forever? I don't know. You name it. He looked good the other night.

I was very skeptical after his pro day, but that was due to long speed and his forty time. He looks like his jumps indicate. His vertical was 2nd and his broad jump 3rd among all running backs at the 2025 Combine. I mean, that's awesome. Tuten is the only guy to beat him at both, and Judkins is in there for the broad jump.

There are two reasons that his testing isn't determinative of his professional responsibility, future accolades, and fantasy football prowess. The first is that the forty is the only thing he was bad at, and that simply tests long speed. Even then, sprint technique gets involved and being bad at that portion can lead to a time that doesn't capture the athleticism of the person. The second is that testing itself isn't an absolute death knell no matter how bad the numbers. Kyren Williams is one guy who had wretched measurements and has dominated for two straight years now, even though I think that's a McVay/pass blocking/intelligence/vision thing. Bucky Irving is the guy that really seems to blow up the testing thing. He looks good and passes almost any eye test like Skattebo does.

Skattebo looks good to my eyes. He's got a bunch of missed and "forced missed" tackles per PFF. His grade is, I think, over an 85 there. I'm not going to do the negative because who needs it?

Bravo to all those who drafted him and believed from watching college Saturdays. You guys get the spoils. Awesome.
 
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Cam Skattebo also seems to have very reckless tendency to lower their head (have you seen this guy). More susceptible to head injury, but hard to get hyped about Devin Singletary and Eric Gray- i might say stash Tyrone or trade for them while they are deemed low value is a sharp move. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nd8NPE5fF-I

Not wishing injury, its just like dang this guy is reckless runner. It might be a short ride as RB1. Sell high?!
 
Cam Skattebo also seems to have very reckless tendency to lower their head (have you seen this guy). More susceptible to head injury, but hard to get hyped about Devin Singletary and Eric Gray- i might say stash Tyrone or trade for them while they are deemed low value is a sharp move. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nd8NPE5fF-I

Not wishing injury, its just like dang this guy is reckless runner. It might be a short ride as RB1. Sell high?!

Oh, that was in a post that I didn't hit "Post Reply" on and erased. I personally do think that the way he runs is probably an issue and maybe a big one. I was saying that in the game thread. Running like he does can lead either to injury and if not injury then it likely leads to enough pain and soreness to slow one down. Maybe.

But perhaps Cam is a unicorn of some sort. He does seem to just roll off hits. But yeah, I think it's a well-founded observation. I'm just not sure that it will definitely lead to his downfall. Who knows?
 
Definitely understand the sentiment. I would say that 'breakaway' speed is the most overrated skill for an RB, IMO. I mean Bijan's longest career run is 39 yards. I'm not saying it's not great to have, but it's not a death knell by any stretch.
breakaway speed is overrated.

Exactly right. There is such a fixation on 40 times with RBs that doesn’t serve FFers well. We’ve seen it over and over again where “slow” RBs become very successful in the NFL.

When I’m evaluating RBs, I’m looking for 5 major characteristics: Vision, footwork, patience, explosiveness/acceleration and decisiveness. A guy doesn’t have to be elite in any of these, but they need to have all 5. Patience and decisiveness can be learned with experience, the other 3 not so much.

After that, I like guys who can manipulate through trash, have contact balance, can get skinny at the line, can shift lanes without giving up speed and can string moves together once they get past the first level. These can separate great backs from good backs.

Raw speed is way down the line. You just don’t see many runs in the NFL that are open runways that lead to a straight path in the second and third level. That stuff looks great on highlights but is just rare. 4.5 speed is more than adequate for great RBs, and I’d much rather see that when the guy actually runs better in pads than the guys who blaze at the combine and show substandard stuff when the pads go on.
 
Skat is a really fun player to watch. What a baller, but making a living by breaking tackles in the NFL probly isn’t sustainable as a feature back. He’s got a little juice, but I can’t see him ever shaking loose of a RBBC (unless there’s an injury).

Long-term, I think Skat has a chance to make for some nice depth. You’ll always have to watch out for him getting replaced by a more dynamic player, though. I didn’t see Skat as a 1st round rookie talent for that reason. He’s more like a typical mid-late 2nd, IMO.
Imo he’s a very dynamic player, he just doesn’t have breakaway speed. I don’t have “easily replaceable plodder risk” as a major concern
I wouldn't call Skat easily replaceable or a plodder, and he does have a little juice, but he'll be at risk of being replaced (theoretically) every draft. Most all the top RBs are pretty dynamic...or at least more dynamic than Skat. Skateboo is a wrecking ball and has to make his living breaking tackles.

That's really not a sustainable way for feature backs to thrive. Skat is a spot starter, IMO. Next week looks good with Tracy's injury. When Tracy is healthy, it depends on opponent, how the offense is looking, etc. He still can be valuable as a spot starter.
This is just demonstrably wrong though. He was one of the best receiving backs in the class, he was one of the most elusive backs in the class with forcing missed tackles, he not only played all three downs in college but excelled in all game scripts and situations. Hell, he could even pass the ball competently in flickers and trick plays. He's about as dynamic as they come except he doesn't have breakaway speed. Which again, doesn't matter if you can still churn out chunk plays. He had more than a dozen 30+ yard runs in college last year, and 4-5 60+ yard runs. That's all you need to be a starter in the NFL, the ability to turn the field over. Even the fastest backs in the league don't get house calls often because of the way defenses in the league are now built. LBs and safeties are preferred smaller and faster to take away one play scores in favor of giving up smaller gains underneath. Hence why I keep saying, breakaway speed is overrated; it's a nice to have but not a need as the opportunities to use it come maybe 2-3 times an entire season, if that.

Ultimately, as much as I like Cam he needs to prove it on the field which he hasn't done yet. But I don't get people automatically writing off his POTENTIAL to be a feature back in spite of what evidence we DO have clearly showing it's completely within the realm of possibility. Much more so than a number of other backs people ascribe that potential to.

Someone earlier mentioned trying to trade Cam for Henderson which I think is a long shot at best in redraft or dynasty. I don't think many, if any, owner is straight up swapping a guy they drafted in redraft in the 4th/5th for a guy taken in the 8th/9th or later based solely on what we've seen so far. Even less of a shot in dynasty, again because of initial investment and an incredibly small sample size. But looking at that small sample size, so far Cam has shown in a game and a half more of being a feature back than Henderson has. That's just the reality of the tape. Again, I think I've been the biggest Cam guy around since February; but even I figured he wouldn't be getting work till late this season. So what he's done so far on a garbage team behind a garbage line in spite of poor draft capital, missing camp, and being behind an entrenched starter who performed great last year should be noted by anyone who wants to win in fantasy. Feels wild this even has to be a debate tbh, especially jumping from this thread to one like JCMs lol.
Nah, no take is demonstrably wrong yet. Skat has pretty good athletic ability for his size, but he's far from being truly dynamic. The backflip is nice, though.

I like to remind people my takes are almost always with a focus on dynasty. Skat will be at risk every single draft of having a more dynamic RB come in to take touches if not become their feature back. Things have changed since the wrecking balls could dominate. He's looking pretty good in redraft this year, but long-term, as any kind of a lasting feature back (like over the course of several seasons)...no.

Is Skat fun to watch? Yes, I love him, but his upside is Thunder in a RBBC (unless he's got no competition due to injury). I'm not saying he can't help FF teams...not suggesting anything remotely close to that, but his ceiling is capped in FF. Skat could very well have a nice NFL career, though.
 
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Skat is a really fun player to watch. What a baller, but making a living by breaking tackles in the NFL probly isn’t sustainable as a feature back. He’s got a little juice, but I can’t see him ever shaking loose of a RBBC (unless there’s an injury).

Long-term, I think Skat has a chance to make for some nice depth. You’ll always have to watch out for him getting replaced by a more dynamic player, though. I didn’t see Skat as a 1st round rookie talent for that reason. He’s more like a typical mid-late 2nd, IMO.
Imo he’s a very dynamic player, he just doesn’t have breakaway speed. I don’t have “easily replaceable plodder risk” as a major concern
I wouldn't call Skat easily replaceable or a plodder, and he does have a little juice, but he'll be at risk of being replaced (theoretically) every draft. Most all the top RBs are pretty dynamic...or at least more dynamic than Skat. Skateboo is a wrecking ball and has to make his living breaking tackles.

That's really not a sustainable way for feature backs to thrive. Skat is a spot starter, IMO. Next week looks good with Tracy's injury. When Tracy is healthy, it depends on opponent, how the offense is looking, etc. He still can be valuable as a spot starter.
This is just demonstrably wrong though. He was one of the best receiving backs in the class, he was one of the most elusive backs in the class with forcing missed tackles, he not only played all three downs in college but excelled in all game scripts and situations. Hell, he could even pass the ball competently in flickers and trick plays. He's about as dynamic as they come except he doesn't have breakaway speed. Which again, doesn't matter if you can still churn out chunk plays. He had more than a dozen 30+ yard runs in college last year, and 4-5 60+ yard runs. That's all you need to be a starter in the NFL, the ability to turn the field over. Even the fastest backs in the league don't get house calls often because of the way defenses in the league are now built. LBs and safeties are preferred smaller and faster to take away one play scores in favor of giving up smaller gains underneath. Hence why I keep saying, breakaway speed is overrated; it's a nice to have but not a need as the opportunities to use it come maybe 2-3 times an entire season, if that.

Ultimately, as much as I like Cam he needs to prove it on the field which he hasn't done yet. But I don't get people automatically writing off his POTENTIAL to be a feature back in spite of what evidence we DO have clearly showing it's completely within the realm of possibility. Much more so than a number of other backs people ascribe that potential to.

Someone earlier mentioned trying to trade Cam for Henderson which I think is a long shot at best in redraft or dynasty. I don't think many, if any, owner is straight up swapping a guy they drafted in redraft in the 4th/5th for a guy taken in the 8th/9th or later based solely on what we've seen so far. Even less of a shot in dynasty, again because of initial investment and an incredibly small sample size. But looking at that small sample size, so far Cam has shown in a game and a half more of being a feature back than Henderson has. That's just the reality of the tape. Again, I think I've been the biggest Cam guy around since February; but even I figured he wouldn't be getting work till late this season. So what he's done so far on a garbage team behind a garbage line in spite of poor draft capital, missing camp, and being behind an entrenched starter who performed great last year should be noted by anyone who wants to win in fantasy. Feels wild this even has to be a debate tbh, especially jumping from this thread to one like JCMs lol.
Nah, no take is demonstrably wrong yet. Skat has pretty good athletic ability for his size, but he's far from being truly dynamic. The backflip is nice, though.

I like to remind people my takes are almost always with dynasty at the forefront and with a magic football slant. Skat will be at risk every single draft of having a more dynamic RB come in to take touches if not become their feature back. Things have changed since the wrecking balls could dominate. He's looking pretty good in redraft this year, but long-term, as any kind of a lasting feature back (like over the course of several seasons)...no.

Is Skat fun to watch? Yes, I love him, but his upside is Thunder in a RBBC (unless he's got no competition due to injury). I'm not saying he can't help FF teams...not suggesting anything remotely close to that, but his ceiling is capped in FF. Skat could very well have a nice NFL career, though.
He's not a wrecking ball. But I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that. It just makes my brain twitch every time you continue saying it in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. And I think it is demonstrably wrong because no one knows what he will be. I am not saying he will definitely be a feature back. You seem to be stuck saying he definitely won't be though. And we have no evidence of that. If anything, the evidence points to his potential to achieve just that. Especially because he already was in college. To a very high level. In a good conference. Playing against tough competition. To each their own. Good luck this year.
 
Skat is a really fun player to watch. What a baller, but making a living by breaking tackles in the NFL probly isn’t sustainable as a feature back. He’s got a little juice, but I can’t see him ever shaking loose of a RBBC (unless there’s an injury).

Long-term, I think Skat has a chance to make for some nice depth. You’ll always have to watch out for him getting replaced by a more dynamic player, though. I didn’t see Skat as a 1st round rookie talent for that reason. He’s more like a typical mid-late 2nd, IMO.
Imo he’s a very dynamic player, he just doesn’t have breakaway speed. I don’t have “easily replaceable plodder risk” as a major concern
I wouldn't call Skat easily replaceable or a plodder, and he does have a little juice, but he'll be at risk of being replaced (theoretically) every draft. Most all the top RBs are pretty dynamic...or at least more dynamic than Skat. Skateboo is a wrecking ball and has to make his living breaking tackles.

That's really not a sustainable way for feature backs to thrive. Skat is a spot starter, IMO. Next week looks good with Tracy's injury. When Tracy is healthy, it depends on opponent, how the offense is looking, etc. He still can be valuable as a spot starter.
This is just demonstrably wrong though. He was one of the best receiving backs in the class, he was one of the most elusive backs in the class with forcing missed tackles, he not only played all three downs in college but excelled in all game scripts and situations. Hell, he could even pass the ball competently in flickers and trick plays. He's about as dynamic as they come except he doesn't have breakaway speed. Which again, doesn't matter if you can still churn out chunk plays. He had more than a dozen 30+ yard runs in college last year, and 4-5 60+ yard runs. That's all you need to be a starter in the NFL, the ability to turn the field over. Even the fastest backs in the league don't get house calls often because of the way defenses in the league are now built. LBs and safeties are preferred smaller and faster to take away one play scores in favor of giving up smaller gains underneath. Hence why I keep saying, breakaway speed is overrated; it's a nice to have but not a need as the opportunities to use it come maybe 2-3 times an entire season, if that.

Ultimately, as much as I like Cam he needs to prove it on the field which he hasn't done yet. But I don't get people automatically writing off his POTENTIAL to be a feature back in spite of what evidence we DO have clearly showing it's completely within the realm of possibility. Much more so than a number of other backs people ascribe that potential to.

Someone earlier mentioned trying to trade Cam for Henderson which I think is a long shot at best in redraft or dynasty. I don't think many, if any, owner is straight up swapping a guy they drafted in redraft in the 4th/5th for a guy taken in the 8th/9th or later based solely on what we've seen so far. Even less of a shot in dynasty, again because of initial investment and an incredibly small sample size. But looking at that small sample size, so far Cam has shown in a game and a half more of being a feature back than Henderson has. That's just the reality of the tape. Again, I think I've been the biggest Cam guy around since February; but even I figured he wouldn't be getting work till late this season. So what he's done so far on a garbage team behind a garbage line in spite of poor draft capital, missing camp, and being behind an entrenched starter who performed great last year should be noted by anyone who wants to win in fantasy. Feels wild this even has to be a debate tbh, especially jumping from this thread to one like JCMs lol.
Nah, no take is demonstrably wrong yet. Skat has pretty good athletic ability for his size, but he's far from being truly dynamic. The backflip is nice, though.

I like to remind people my takes are almost always with dynasty at the forefront and with a magic football slant. Skat will be at risk every single draft of having a more dynamic RB come in to take touches if not become their feature back. Things have changed since the wrecking balls could dominate. He's looking pretty good in redraft this year, but long-term, as any kind of a lasting feature back (like over the course of several seasons)...no.

Is Skat fun to watch? Yes, I love him, but his upside is Thunder in a RBBC (unless he's got no competition due to injury). I'm not saying he can't help FF teams...not suggesting anything remotely close to that, but his ceiling is capped in FF. Skat could very well have a nice NFL career, though.
He's not a wrecking ball. But I'm obviously not going to change your mind on that. It just makes my brain twitch every time you continue saying it in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. To each their own. Good luck this year.
If Skat isn't a wrecking ball, he's doing a fine job of impersonating one, lol.

Anyway, this is what we do here...we both have takes. Nobody is right or wrong until they are. This one will have to play out.

Good luck with Skat. He's fun to watch.
 
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I have to admit that my first instinct in dynasty is to throw out some sell high offers to teams that could use rb help. The guy who lucked into Tetairoa at 1.7 and didn't seem that excited about it came calling for Cam and Kincaid in August, but only offering a 2nd. I would expect to be turned down if I offer both for T-Mac, but he needs a RB and I have been surprised before.

With that said, I think there's an inherent assumption that this guy could be a mainstay on the injury report based on the rugged playing style and the preseason hamstring injury. I'm not sure that this assumption is entirely fair. He ran pretty clean throughout college, missing one game against UCF in Nov 2024 from what I can gather.

If he can hang around for a few years as a top fantasy RB3 option with receiving and goalline duties on an offense that can find its way to competent, he's exactly what I need.
 
Definitely understand the sentiment. I would say that 'breakaway' speed is the most overrated skill for an RB, IMO. I mean Bijan's longest career run is 39 yards. I'm not saying it's not great to have, but it's not a death knell by any stretch.
breakaway speed is overrated.

Exactly right. There is such a fixation on 40 times with RBs that doesn’t serve FFers well. We’ve seen it over and over again where “slow” RBs become very successful in the NFL.

When I’m evaluating RBs, I’m looking for 5 major characteristics: Vision, footwork, patience, explosiveness/acceleration and decisiveness. A guy doesn’t have to be elite in any of these, but they need to have all 5. Patience and decisiveness can be learned with experience, the other 3 not so much.

After that, I like guys who can manipulate through trash, have contact balance, can get skinny at the line, can shift lanes without giving up speed and can string moves together once they get past the first level. These can separate great backs from good backs.

Raw speed is way down the line. You just don’t see many runs in the NFL that are open runways that lead to a straight path in the second and third level. That stuff looks great on highlights but is just rare. 4.5 speed is more than adequate for great RBs, and I’d much rather see that when the guy actually runs better in pads than the guys who blaze at the combine and show substandard stuff when the pads go on.
honestly, I'd like to see them run the 40 with full pads and cleats on a grass field.

how they run on a track isnt the same as how they run on a field with pads and cleats. Id argue that is a far better indicator.
 
Definitely understand the sentiment. I would say that 'breakaway' speed is the most overrated skill for an RB, IMO. I mean Bijan's longest career run is 39 yards. I'm not saying it's not great to have, but it's not a death knell by any stretch.
breakaway speed is overrated.

Exactly right. There is such a fixation on 40 times with RBs that doesn’t serve FFers well. We’ve seen it over and over again where “slow” RBs become very successful in the NFL.

When I’m evaluating RBs, I’m looking for 5 major characteristics: Vision, footwork, patience, explosiveness/acceleration and decisiveness. A guy doesn’t have to be elite in any of these, but they need to have all 5. Patience and decisiveness can be learned with experience, the other 3 not so much.

After that, I like guys who can manipulate through trash, have contact balance, can get skinny at the line, can shift lanes without giving up speed and can string moves together once they get past the first level. These can separate great backs from good backs.

Raw speed is way down the line. You just don’t see many runs in the NFL that are open runways that lead to a straight path in the second and third level. That stuff looks great on highlights but is just rare. 4.5 speed is more than adequate for great RBs, and I’d much rather see that when the guy actually runs better in pads than the guys who blaze at the combine and show substandard stuff when the pads go on.
honestly, I'd like to see them run the 40 with full pads and cleats on a grass field.

how they run on a track isnt the same as how they run on a field with pads and cleats. Id argue that is a far better indicator.

I agree 100%
 
What a great player to watch, admire, and have on your team, real or imagined.

Unfortunately now that he's firmly in the mix on this offense, his coaching staff now has the time and focus to screw him all up just like they do with every skill player they've had since Eli Manning and Victor Cruz.
 
What a great player to watch, admire, and have on your team, real or imagined.

Unfortunately now that he's firmly in the mix on this offense, his coaching staff now has the time and focus to screw him all up just like they do with every skill player they've had since Eli Manning and Victor Cruz.
Thats what the bad teams do..... screw up their prospects to the point where they cannot play.

Yay New York!
 

I figured I wouldn't answer and get into the weeds but I decided to. This is actually how important a sub-4.7 forty time is when evaluating running backs. Skattebo ran what I understood at the time to be a 4.65 on his pro day. Some reported 4.57 (I think this was the initial report that wasn't correct) and that it hit 4.65. Now, you might say that a 4.65 is under a 4.7 for sure, but his pro day was hand-timed. Most places add at least .03-.07 to a forty time to make it comparable to the Combine's machine-timed mechanism. Anyway, this was what I meant when I took a third of a page to describe why I thought he was sort of going to have problems in the NFL. As the article below will describe, since 1994 there had been 151 players to rush for over 750 yards in a year just once in their career (a generous standard to be considered a "hit" for the cause) and that also were timed in the forty. Of those, only 4.6% ran a 4.7 forty or slower. That's pretty meaningful and significant. That said, there are those that do, and they tend to have both explosiveness and burst, as discussed in the first article.

The first article draws no conclusions but merely is here as a citation backing up the 4.6% claim. The second article isn't awesome, but gives you an idea of what sort of traits an RB should have if not a fast forty time (an elite score based upon a formula that takes into account the player's ten-yard split time in the forty and also his vertical jump). The last article describes RAS and how having an elite RAS (above an 8.00) allows an evaluator to discern that it becomes (not an impermeable one) a bit of a floor for RB achievement.



 
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Is he fun to watch? Yes.
Is he a feature back in the NFL? My opinion has not changed after yesterday....no.
I think Tracy will have a role when healthy. Honestly, I think they complement each other very well.

Unfortunately, it isn't going to matter with Nabers.
 
Hes slow and his running style is going to get him killed. Now with nabors out giants need weapons in the passing game. Im holding Tracy.
 
Cam Skattebo rushed 15 times for 59 yards in a Week 5 loss to the Giants, adding 45 receiving yards on six catches.

In a surprise to nobody, the Giants turned to Skattebo often with Malik Nabers (knee) out for the season. The rookie continued to run for hard yards, but he had a crucial mistake at the beginning of the fourth quarter. With the Giants in the red zone and driving to take the lead, Skattebo was stripped at the 12-yard line, and the Saints picked up the ball and returned it the other way for a score. Skattebo later caught a pass with the Giants out of timeouts and decided to turn upfield to try and run over a defender rather than get out of bounds to stop the clock. The rookie figures to get enough volume to have fantasy value, but he’s not overly efficient with his touches and is more of a FLEX play against the Eagles next week.

- Rotoworld
 

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