barackdhouse
Footballguy
To be honest I highly doubt he is available in the vast majority of my leagues. They're not high stakes but still.
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RB Chase Edmonds, TB (3 Viewers)
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Super King
Footballguy
In the league I own Edmonds, I drafted him and held on the whole year. We only have 8 bench spots (those got expanded this year by 2 cuz of Covid). On a side note, my dumb ### is holding on to Chubb after their owner dropped them. And picked up AB last week. Now I'm in a pinch for a flex. Sigh...
rockaction
Footballguy
I can think of no leagues I'm in where Chase Edmonds isn't rostered. That's not one of those superiority statements, it's just that in every league I'm in he was one of the first backup RBs chosen because of exactly this situation.
rockaction
Footballguy
Nope. Jonathan. Undrafted FA out of Central Michigan. 6'0", 200 lbs. I'm not even sure what the shark move is beyond having already had Edmonds as a handcuff. Seems all quite up for grabs and would depend on practice, etc.
Practice? We talkin' bout practice, mang.
zamboni
Footballguy
Curious on your take here, rock, why Edmonds nor Benjamin aren't 3-down back material.
I think we can all agree that the Cards RB spot seems like a potential goldmine. Edmonds has looked good and the coaching staff have touted him as a potential 3-down back. And there was a lot of buzz around Benjamin possibly having that skill set as well. Granted, that can all be coach speak. Don't know anything about Ward, so interested to hear any scouting reports.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ward was one of Waldman's favorites in the UDFA class and he said to stash him at some point if possible and if there was reason. He liked his speed and pass-catching ability. "Ward is an excellent fit for the spread scheme in Arizona, because he's an excellent route runner and pass receiver from the backfield. He has enough speed to break plays, runs with determination, and he fits the mold of a scat back with enough heft to work with. He'll compete for a final roster spot with a good showing this summer/fall." Well, he's off the practice squad and has been for a bit.
As far as why Edmonds and Benjamin don't strike me as three-down guys, I guess I just have a hunch from watching Edmonds and Benjamin's highlights. Waldman was high on Benjamin. I saw a painfully average back, but highlights can be misleading. I may be missing virtues to Benjamin's game that Waldman can see a little more easily. I don't really think he's that fast. According to RotoUnderworld, he ran a 4.57. He posted an above-average 11.22 (71st-percentile) Agility Score, but his 4.57 (56th-percentile) 40-yard dash resulted in a below-average 94.9 (44th-percentile) Speed Score, and his lackluster twelve reps (4th-percentile) on the bench press contributed to his 105.6 (33rd-percentile) SPARQ-x score.
I didn't see a great athlete in Benjamin and this appears to confirm it. Ward ran around a 4.53, according to sources, though nothing concrete can be found. That said, Edmonds ran a 4.55, so they're all clustered around the 205 lb. range with similar speed scores, it would seem. Edmonds had a 95.5 Speed Score with an agility score in the 97th percentile, so it seems like he has more burst than Benjamin. He also benched 7 more reps.
So back to the three-down thing. Call it a hunch. AZ plays a spread offense, so you wouldn't expect its back to be a pounder; rather, you'd expect someone adept at catching the ball and running the read-option, which Edmonds is. But a three-down back? I don't know. I'd expect to see a rotation with the two guys, maybe with Ward rotating in once a game.
Really, I'm just spitballing. Take this information with a grain of salt, really. I roster both Edmonds and Ward in dynasty now (bid went through for a buck tonight) so I'm hoping that one of the two takes it by the throttle in the upcoming year or so.
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zamboni
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Good stuff and well thought out.
Edmonds clearly seems to be the next man up for this year, but that doesn't mean he'll be the workhorse either this year or beyond. The metrics may or may not be emblematic of what these guys can do on the field, but it's all we have right now on Benjamin and Ward.
Definitely a situation to monitor long term, because I doubt Drake is back next year unless he has a late season resurgence like he had last year.
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Is Kingsbury honest about injuries? Genuine question.
A slight ligament tear on the right ankle is still the prognosis. If Drake makes it back in two weeks, that means he should be able to cut and plant on that right ankle, in addition to taking all the hits. This isn't an offensive lineman. It's a RB.
A slight ligament tear on the right ankle is still the prognosis. If Drake makes it back in two weeks, that means he should be able to cut and plant on that right ankle, in addition to taking all the hits. This isn't an offensive lineman. It's a RB.
djjosee
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty much my take. It's important to remember that Edmonds role the last few years has been the fun part of the playbook. Counters, sweeps, screen passes, wheel routes. Not too many dives and grinding it out in short {yard}age situations. Smallish guy (205 or so - about the same as Drake when he came out, before bulking up), not really the bell cow type. But super fast and fun to watch out in the open.
Probably see a lot of touches for a week or two in plus matchups. Miami's D has been coming on the last month or so but they haven't faced an offense like the Cardinals during that stretch. Buffalo is middle of the pack versus the run.
After that, I presume Drake goes back to his lead back role, and Edmonds probably remains in his "fun part of the playbook" role. Even on limited touches with Drake around, he's still a good Flex option most weeks. For the next two weeks, you're starting him. Don't overthink it.
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I pretty much agree with all of this, but there's really no reason that Edmonds shouldn't be getting 12-15 touches per week, with Drake in the line-up. They should be damn near a 50-50 split.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Soups not a meal. I’ll get the meal some other time.
I’ve been thinking that for two years, first with DJ and now with Kenyon. The reality is you have to pick your spots and hope he gets 10-12 touches that day. Edmonds can do a lot with a little.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I hope not. If that happens it puts a big cap on his potential. If he is only getting 12-15 then you are banking on a long run or TD. It can happen but it makes him riskier.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Over two next two games I’m expecting 40-50 points in full PPR.
Low expectations beyond that but let’s hope I’m wrong.
Low expectations beyond that but let’s hope I’m wrong.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Happy Chase Edmonds week everybody!
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I’m starting him and would love nothing more than for him to take hold of this job, but I feel like these hype train smash spots almost never work out how you hope.
Well I have no options unless I start CeeDee Lamb. And since Dak left I have no confidence in any DAL players.
Deamon
Footballguy
They gotta keep feeding him. I think they will a lot in the 4th quarter. Probably gets 7 more carries
Truebluey
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Good news for Drake owners based on yesterday ?
shadrap
Footballguy
rschroeder1
Footballguy
Transparency alert: I've had Edmonds stashed all year on both my teams. Time to spread some fake news!
I think I was too optimistic and willing to look past the run blocking problems AZ has had this year. That said, a couple things stuck out to me yesterday:
1. From my own eyes, I thought Edmonds did a pretty good job of gaining yards after first contact. By my anecdotal observations, this seems to be an area Drake struggled with. Edmonds didn't really break any long gains, but he churned out some 4-5 yard runs after being hit in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage. That said, there are advanced stats that will tell us more about his performance once Edmonds has a larger sample size.
2. It's interesting that Edmonds was less involved in the passing game as a full-time starter. Or perhaps concerning would be a better adjective. It's one game, so not enough to call it a trend, but perhaps we're going to learn that Edmonds is actually more effective as a James White-type with good volume.
I think I was too optimistic and willing to look past the run blocking problems AZ has had this year. That said, a couple things stuck out to me yesterday:
1. From my own eyes, I thought Edmonds did a pretty good job of gaining yards after first contact. By my anecdotal observations, this seems to be an area Drake struggled with. Edmonds didn't really break any long gains, but he churned out some 4-5 yard runs after being hit in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage. That said, there are advanced stats that will tell us more about his performance once Edmonds has a larger sample size.
2. It's interesting that Edmonds was less involved in the passing game as a full-time starter. Or perhaps concerning would be a better adjective. It's one game, so not enough to call it a trend, but perhaps we're going to learn that Edmonds is actually more effective as a James White-type with good volume.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, interesting observations. I didn't watch the game closely, but appreciate your thoughts.
Looking at the game summary....I'm shocked that Arizona ran the ball so much. Seemed like they should have continued to pass the ball and let Murray run wild when he needed to.
rschroeder1
Footballguy
How are folks feeling about Edmonds tonight? I have the luxury of not needing to start him for once (I have Aaron Jones, Mike Davis and Kalen Ballage in my lineup this week) but feel unsure as usual.
I think the big sticking point for me is that the odds of Edmonds scoring a rushing touchdown is extremely low. Murray is going to get most of the rushing TDs, and Drake is getting the spare carries inside the 10. In two straight competitive games - Miami and Buffalo - Edmonds didn't get the receiving volume that would make me confident heading into tonight's game. That said, I would expect an uptick in receiving work tonight.
I think the big sticking point for me is that the odds of Edmonds scoring a rushing touchdown is extremely low. Murray is going to get most of the rushing TDs, and Drake is getting the spare carries inside the 10. In two straight competitive games - Miami and Buffalo - Edmonds didn't get the receiving volume that would make me confident heading into tonight's game. That said, I would expect an uptick in receiving work tonight.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Like most, hard for me to know if I should start Edmonds or the bunch of PPR WRs I have (Cooks, Moore, Jefferson) in the flex.
Have Jacobs and RoJo and don't think I can sit RoJo despite the tough matchup against the Rams.
So it's a flex nightmare as I don't have a good bead on who has most upside here -- kind of seeing their point tally net out the same.
Have Jacobs and RoJo and don't think I can sit RoJo despite the tough matchup against the Rams.
So it's a flex nightmare as I don't have a good bead on who has most upside here -- kind of seeing their point tally net out the same.
rockaction
Footballguy
Got return yardage from him in my league tonight. That was a nice bonus.
12.90 Half PPR, 15.40 in my league, which is Half PPR for RBs also.
All in all, another steady FLEX showing, but it's unsustainable without goal line touches, of which he got one tonight on that TD pass and catch. But Drake is out there when they want to run the football down there.
He is, though, on the field when Arizona is in hurry-up mode or in obvious passing situations.
12.90 Half PPR, 15.40 in my league, which is Half PPR for RBs also.
All in all, another steady FLEX showing, but it's unsustainable without goal line touches, of which he got one tonight on that TD pass and catch. But Drake is out there when they want to run the football down there.
He is, though, on the field when Arizona is in hurry-up mode or in obvious passing situations.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Love that you have return yardage in your league -- I instituted that in my league a few years ago and while it was announced and pointed out how it works, I don't think anyone really paid it a lot of attention.
But I sure as heck do.
We have a 2/3rd point PPR, and Edmonds went just over 20 points tonight.
On my bench.
You are totally right that his value really is TD dependent but in leagues like ours it's such a super solid floor. It really makes it difficult to sit him but I did it yet again in the hopes that Cooks had better output. I don't think that happens this week.
The Frankman
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I wonder if Edmonds got hurt doing a backflip in the victory formation last week. No really.
The Checkdown
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Chase Edmonds hit that victory formation backflip@ChaseEdmonds22 @AZCardinals pic.twitter.com/sxYo3qWMSX
12/13/20, 3:18 PM
turkishkamel
Footballguy
I'd feel a lot better rolling Drake out there with Chase taking the day off. Make a lot of my game day decision a bit easier.
Drake is top 5 0.5 PPR since week 11 apparently. Add 5 catches perhaps on top of that? Yowza.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
CBS..
turkishkamel
Footballguy
I was all set to go with Drake, this makes me second guess that. Now I'll just flip flop between him, Robby Anderson, and Landry for the next 24 hrs.Buck Bradcanon said:
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Drake has been a top 5 RB since week 10 with Edmonds IN the line-up. His usage is elite.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
And Landry is catch dependent, which never seems to be guaranteed! Ha! Robby Anderson isn't a terrible alternative based on potential upside. But, Drake can produce multiple TDs in a game (Eagles give up a ton of touchdowns to RBs).
