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Based on what? Two points:
A while back Joe said something about staffers not seeing value in shark pool posting because of the hostility they encountered when doing so.this is going to be a fun schtick throughout the preseason... how do I justify my bogus Penny rookie ranking? I know I subtly talk about Carson in the offseason and then I’ll still have a 50/50 shot Penny fails. You going to head over to the Burkhead thread and praise him next? How about Samaje Perine? Still some life to be had over there. Maybe pump up Carlos Hyde while we’re busy making suggestions rookies won’t live up to their draft positions based on OTA’s and own personal prejudices. Your ranking of Penny was the worst and most egregious thing I’ve seen this entire offseason. Even if he fails that line of thinking that you’re so good you can put a first round RB in the second round of a rookie draft rankings is laughable. Literally no reputable source agreed with you. The best fantasy, daily and best ball minds all had Penny in their top 4. It makes FBG’s look like a joke.
Did you ever think of switching to decaffeinated?
Folks said the same thing when I had Sankey so low in my rookie rankings. I might be wrong, but Im going to post my actual rankings instead of changing them to agree with everyone else. Seattle had the worst running game in the league. Im not sure Penny is that much better than Carson. Because of the consensus rankings you referred to, im pretty sure dynasty players knew about where they would have to take Penny to get him. I ranked him where i would feel comfortable taking him.
based on watching Penny be the worst pass blocking running back in this class. Really, watch any of Penny's game and see how much of an adventure some of his pass blocking snaps are. he has acknowledged his deficiency there and the team is emphasizing that in his work. I agree that Carson had a very limited sample size, so I said "probably".
Do you ever go back and compare your off season rankings after the season?
Not to pile on @Bojang0301 too much (but gonna) those are exactly the type of posts that hurt forums.
Sorry, but that's a singularly unhelpful post. What was your point? Blasting someone's opinion with "the best fantasy minds say you're wrong!" is pointless. We can all look at expert consensus rankings -- so please add something to the conversation or don't bother. We know that the Seahawks spent a first round pick on Penny and that, especially at RB, teams aren't drafting developmental players on Day 1. If you're comfortable with Penny, spend an early 1st round pick on him, be happy, and move on.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23661519/nfl-draft-2018-early-impressions-all-32-first-round-picks-otas-practices
What, so they retreat to the friendly confines of Twitter?
He knows how much water he carries. My demeanor may be insulting but so is the ranking, this continuous pointing to Carson on this board, on twitter and we’ll see it 20 more times through camp to justify his position which was weak and tedious at the start. Correct experts get it wrong, correct that people are allowed to have their own take but this is pure eyeball, gut check, I’m right, you’re wrong scouting that him and Waldman profess. Penny matches several metrics you want in a back and was a first rounder to boot. To put that in perspective he has a 47% chance of producing one top 24 season per rotoworld. As opposed to 31% for a 2nd rounder and 7% for someone drafted after round 3. Draft capital alone shouldn’t have Penny out of round one but the ranking was a pure and simple look at me troll to show how good he is at scouting. We shall see. The continued bias is clear as is his own trolling. He immediately took to Twitter after this : https://mobile.twitter.com/sigmundbloom/status/1004077038255460353
Who is it insulting to, Rashaad Penny?
You are defending a losing position. Disagreeing is what hobbies like magic football are all about, we encourage it, we love it, we need it! We cannot control the actions of others we can only control our response. Being a good person while disagreeing is a choice as is choosing to respond with aggression and personal attacks.
Have you ever looked at the Rookie Scouting Portfolio? It's not an eyeball test and all the work and back-up is there to see. Its not as if he had Rashaad Penny ranked like chopped liver in it.
Personally, I'd much rather see someone take a contrarian viewpoint and defend it. If you want groupthink, there are a million sources for that. I'm betting almost everyone here at least glances at other sources for FF info besides FBG - the Penny love is out there. I like it when someone zigs where everyone else is zagging. If you disagree, so be it, but I like to see both sides of a coin.
I easily get riled up. Guess this is one of those sweet spots for me. I do like that I get twenty people calling me an ### hole for emphatically stating I think a staff member is way off base in his rankings and contrived narrative that the backup is better. We’re not seeing this in the Perine/Chris Thompson thread, we’re not seeing this in the Carlos Hyde thread or the Rex Burkhead thread or even the Ameer Abdullah/Blount threads. Sorry that I think there is a reason why.
It's not that you are calling out a staffer for disagreeing with a ranking. It's that you were being kind of a jerk about it.
I really don’t think being #125 out of 130 at pass blocking gives Carson much of a situational edge over Penny, even if he is #131. Sure, maybe it gives him 3-5 more snaps per game... pass blocking snaps.
Yeah that was a very interesting analysis and your posts on the topic really changed my perspective.
I’m guilty of being an ### and getting into it with people on the boards. I need to take a step back sometimes. I don’t like the narrative pushing though. It correlates with his ranking. I think it’s intellectually dishonest unless we’re going to have the same hype about those backs I previously mentioned (Burkhead, Blount, Thompson, etc.) running with the ones. Draft stock is huge whether we like the prospect or not it means they will get an opportunity to succeed/fail and most of the time that comes immediately.
"Pimping his guy"? To what end? Having to admit he was wrong? Big deal.
That's not the part of the post I was pointing to...
Nothing wrong in my book with calling out someone on their rankings. Some of the better staff interactions last season were posters calling out staffers on ranks when the staffers would actually come in and explain themselves (not all of them did). If Bojang thinks Bloom is way off base and wants to say so, and why, that's still constructive dialogue. His first post crossed way over the line into mocking the person and ridiculing his past misses. (What does Bloom's view of Perine last year have to do with anything in the Carson thread?) Later posts got better in the signal to noise with valid points on why it might be reasonable to rank Penny differently. There is constructive dialogue to be had, and strong disagreement doesn't seem like the sort of thing Bloom shies away from when it's on topic.
By what ways was Penny better than Pumphrey?
Pumphrey was a great college RB, the incumbent and didn't do anything to lose the job. He had, probably, his best season in 2014 when Penny arrived and then followed that up with back-to-back MWC Offensive Player of the Year honors (an honor some, even many, may scoff at).
I am giant fan of PFF but their FF side is a bit weak. This article is good example. Long post below...
Is the reason that Guice, Chub, Michel, and Johnson are a tier above Penny in talent?
Michel and Johnson are definitely in a realm, athletically and production wise, below Penny. I’m sure your vast scouting acumen, eye balls and gut tells you otherwise though.
Pass pro varies wildly year to year too. Everyone’s favorite pass blocker Jamaal Williams sucked at it in college. Penny level bad but graded highly in the pros last year. Things like that suggest it’s very much a learned trait and not an inherent skill. I’ve been dismissive of it for sometime despite always hearing the contrary. Recently though these articles keep cropping up and new metrics to measure it. If a player can run routes and catch the ball I feel pretty confident in saying you can be dismissive of it too. It’s the Blounts and Jordan Howard’s of the world that better be damn good pass blockers or else they’re losing snaps on passing downs. I suppose it could be argued that it’s yet to be seen if Penny is a good to great pass catcher but I’m willing to take the risk given his collegiate target share, body of work and examples of him catching the ball like the Senior Bowl. Penny is a bad pass blocker if that’s what people want me to say. I just don’t really care. It’s correctable if he’s willing and a learner.
I drafted Penny at 8, and I hope he blows up, but pre-draft I did not like him, and to be honest it's because of SDS. It's hard to take his stats seriously when guys who are bums in the NFL have put up monster numbers there (Pumphrey). I'm baffled that he was drafted so high, but as good as Carson looked last year, a 1st round pick will be the starter, and given every chance to prove his draft position.
I wouldn't call Pumphrey a bum exactly, he's just really small. Not many 5'9", 180lb feature backs in the NFL.
That was good!! Actually he continued to get more total yards from scrimmage every year, so I am not sure why you think 2014 was his best season?
He didn't have many opportunities at all in 2015. 61 rushing attempts 8 receptions. I suppose you are inferring the yards per carry and yards per reception on the small sample size?
Huh above you said that some people scoff at the awards you are citing. However your tone changes when those awards are going to Penny Strange.
If Penny was measurable 'better' than Pumphrey than how come he couldn't win the starting job?
Not to me.
There is clearly a view of NFL front offices that is biased against smaller RB. That is evident in the difference between their draft position.
Lots to dissect there @Biabreakable but a couple that jump out are: I said people may scoff at a MWC OPOY but you can't scoff at being an All-American.
Actually he continued to get more total yards from scrimmage every year, so I am not sure why you think 2014 was his best season?
He didn't have many opportunities at all in 2015. 61 rushing attempts 8 receptions. I suppose you are inferring the yards per carry and yards per reception on the small sample size?
In 2016 Penny did more than 2015 but his use was still dwarfed by Pumphrey.
He clearly didn't do more than Pumphrey did.
Huh above you said that some people scoff at the awards you are citing. However your tone changes when those awards are going to Penny Strange.
If Penny was measurable 'better' than Pumphrey than how come he couldn't win the starting job?
Not to me.
There is clearly a view of NFL front offices that is biased against smaller RB. That is evident in the difference between their draft position.
To say his game didn't translate to the college level is obviously not true. He may not get the chance to show if his game will translate to the NFL. However small players such as Warrick Dunn have translated before. It takes a coach and front office willing to give such a player a chance though.
No biggie. I just disagree with your statement that Penny was better than Pumphrey in college, when it seems pretty clear that he wasn't.
His efficiency on the same team was unquestionably better. But I did already concede that significantly may have been too strong a word because Pumphrey was amazing too.
