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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (5 Viewers)

To flip him for future draft capital in the middle of the season. I don't have draft capital this year and I have plenty of cap space to also go after the young scraps in free agency after the rookie draft. I can do them both. The main reason I can't compete this year is because of my RBs and current draft capital.
Exactly why I mentioned the flip. One of the contenders might pay you with quality draft capital/young upside to win this season. You’d take on the risk CMC is still a stud (which I believe he is) until you pull the trigger. Adding a top 5 RB mid season is very attractive.

do you think around $15 sounds like a good number? I feel it is safe given the risk, possible payout and my current cap situation. I don't want to waste too much cap space as I can turn extra cap space this offseason into extra waiver bucks during the season and extra cap space next year. I've been trying to look at past seasons to get an idea of how people would bid on him, but I haven't found anything similar to him, even though I thought I would find something easily.
 
To flip him for future draft capital in the middle of the season. I don't have draft capital this year and I have plenty of cap space to also go after the young scraps in free agency after the rookie draft. I can do them both. The main reason I can't compete this year is because of my RBs and current draft capital.
Exactly why I mentioned the flip. One of the contenders might pay you with quality draft capital/young upside to win this season. You’d take on the risk CMC is still a stud (which I believe he is) until you pull the trigger. Adding a top 5 RB mid season is very attractive.

do you think around $15 sounds like a good number? I feel it is safe given the risk, possible payout and my current cap situation. I don't want to waste too much cap space as I can turn extra cap space this offseason into extra waiver bucks during the season and extra cap space next year. I've been trying to look at past seasons to get an idea of how people would bid on him, but I haven't found anything similar to him, even though I thought I would find something easily.
You know better than me if that’s a good buy low price for a 29 year old stud RB. Just don’t over pay. Not worth chasing when you are buying to flip.
 
To flip him for future draft capital in the middle of the season. I don't have draft capital this year and I have plenty of cap space to also go after the young scraps in free agency after the rookie draft. I can do them both. The main reason I can't compete this year is because of my RBs and current draft capital.
Exactly why I mentioned the flip. One of the contenders might pay you with quality draft capital/young upside to win this season. You’d take on the risk CMC is still a stud (which I believe he is) until you pull the trigger. Adding a top 5 RB mid season is very attractive.

do you think around $15 sounds like a good number? I feel it is safe given the risk, possible payout and my current cap situation. I don't want to waste too much cap space as I can turn extra cap space this offseason into extra waiver bucks during the season and extra cap space next year. I've been trying to look at past seasons to get an idea of how people would bid on him, but I haven't found anything similar to him, even though I thought I would find something easily.
You know better than me if that’s a good buy low price for a 29 year old stud RB. Just don’t over pay. Not worth chasing when you are buying to flip.
I just realized that I 1. messed up replying to the guy who had replied directly to my original comment, 2. you are not that guy hehe

$15 would put him at the #5 highest RB contract ($30 is the highest). but there are a few RBs that I expect to go over that. there are a couple of restricted free agents that should go over that and Henry in regular free agency. So that would put it at about the 8th highest RB contract going into the season. I can sign him for just one year to limit my risk, and even that of the next owner. $11 would be around the 12th highest or so, but I don't think I would get him for that.
 
Jeanty or CMC for 2025?
Would happily roll the dice with Jeanty over CMC.
Same. If you told me CMC plays at least 15 games this season, there’s a good chance he’s the overall RB1.

I just have little confidence that’s actually going to happen.
I have to think that Shanahan will scale back his work load at least a touch, that would only make sense not to drive him into the ground. History does not say that he will, but common sense does. At the usual clip I have very little confidence that he makes it through the season and would easily take Jeanty over him.
 
I have to think that Shanahan will scale back his work load at least a touch
Just one? I wouldn't be worried about that.

HAHAHA. I'M SO FUNNY.
Anyone who thinks Kyle will limit CMCs workload is delusional. Full speed ahead!
Sadly I think you are probably right. Kyle is going to be Kyle, which means at some point CMC’s wheels will most likely go flat.
Oh, I’m right.

Watch CMC when he is actually out for a series. Standing on the sideline and chomping at the bit to go back in.

Love them both but bad combination for CMC getting a reduced workload.
 
I have to think that Shanahan will scale back his work load at least a touch
Just one? I wouldn't be worried about that.

HAHAHA. I'M SO FUNNY.
Anyone who thinks Kyle will limit CMCs workload is delusional. Full speed ahead!
Sadly I think you are probably right. Kyle is going to be Kyle, which means at some point CMC’s wheels will most likely go flat.
Oh, I’m right.

Watch CMC when he is actually out for a series. Standing on the sideline and chomping at the bit to go back in.

Love them both but bad combination for CMC getting a reduced workload.
I don't think that's a bad thing. If I'm a fantasy owner, I want my guy as busy as possible. I don't really care (much) about injury history.
 
I have to think that Shanahan will scale back his work load at least a touch
Just one? I wouldn't be worried about that.

HAHAHA. I'M SO FUNNY.
Anyone who thinks Kyle will limit CMCs workload is delusional. Full speed ahead!
Sadly I think you are probably right. Kyle is going to be Kyle, which means at some point CMC’s wheels will most likely go flat.
Oh, I’m right.

Watch CMC when he is actually out for a series. Standing on the sideline and chomping at the bit to go back in.

Love them both but bad combination for CMC getting a reduced workload.
I don't think that's a bad thing. If I'm a fantasy owner, I want my guy as busy as possible. I don't really care (much) about injury history.
Agree. The negative is from a real football standpoint.
 
Not spending a first round pick on a 29 year old RB who's played less than 8 games 3 of the last 5 seasons; even if he was guaranteed to be RB1 if he played the full thing. IMO the increase in odds he gives my roster of winning a championship should he stay healthy, do not outweigh the decrease in odds of me winning should he get hurt and only play 5-6 games. IOW, him hitting doesn't guarantee I'll win my league, but him catching another season like 20/21/24 pretty much does guarantee I won't win. At least in competitive leagues where you can't walk away from a draft with some huge advantage, or swindle people in bad trades during the season.
 
I think I roll the dice on the upside. He is healthy right now. He's played at least 16 games in 5 of his 8 seasons including 2 of the last 3. He has 5 seasons where he has averaged over 20 ppr ppg. If he gets hurt, you can play someone else.

Scenario A: CMC gives you 10 healthy games and you have to use a bench player for the other 6 games.
CMC scores 22 ppg, your replacement gives you 11 (this is like RB 32 production). This gives you 286 points.

Scenario B: You wait for a steadier RB who gives you 16 ppg and stays healthy all year: 256 points.

Now of course the chances that Scenario B RB gets hurt and misses time is pretty good because that's life as a RB. It's also possible if you have CMC's handcuff or are a little craftier on the waiver wire that the replacement in scenario B is scoring more like 14 PPG. But from a simpe math perspective, I think if CMC plays 9-10 games you are getting a return on value even at pick 1. Those 286 points come out to 17.8 a game which would have been RB6 last year.
 
I think I roll the dice on the upside. He is healthy right now. He's played at least 16 games in 5 of his 8 seasons including 2 of the last 3. He has 5 seasons where he has averaged over 20 ppr ppg. If he gets hurt, you can play someone else.

Scenario A: CMC gives you 10 healthy games and you have to use a bench player for the other 6 games.
CMC scores 22 ppg, your replacement gives you 11 (this is like RB 32 production). This gives you 286 points.

Scenario B: You wait for a steadier RB who gives you 16 ppg and stays healthy all year: 256 points.

Now of course the chances that Scenario B RB gets hurt and misses time is pretty good because that's life as a RB. It's also possible if you have CMC's handcuff or are a little craftier on the waiver wire that the replacement in scenario B is scoring more like 14 PPG. But from a simpe math perspective, I think if CMC plays 9-10 games you are getting a return on value even at pick 1. Those 286 points come out to 17.8 a game which would have been RB6 last year.
Not gonna pick apart your post line by line, but I largely disagree. Suffice to say there are way too many "Ifs" and using the ideal/rosiest view projections for me. But the reason his ADP is mid to late 1st round is because the majority of people agree with you not me haha. So from that angle, I get what you're saying.

My broader philosophy of fantasy is make the playoffs bc at that point it's largely a crapshoot who wins (IME). I don't NEED to hit on some uber high upside guy to do that like I would if I was playing in some 10k entry DFS tournament where it's impossible to win if you don't have Vick/LT/Faulk the years they exploded. What I can't afford to do is whiff on one of the first two picks I make. So in general, I avoid risk where I can there. To be fair to CMC, part of the equation for me has been mostly avoiding ALL RBs in the first round; so really the flag is already red for me, his injury history/bust potential just make it extra red hah.
 
took him in the 7th round of a best ball PPR dynasty startup. Couldn't be happier with him coming into this season motivated and healthy. Choo Mother Truckin' Choo!!! :drive:
 
I think I roll the dice on the upside. He is healthy right now. He's played at least 16 games in 5 of his 8 seasons including 2 of the last 3. He has 5 seasons where he has averaged over 20 ppr ppg. If he gets hurt, you can play someone else.

Scenario A: CMC gives you 10 healthy games and you have to use a bench player for the other 6 games.
CMC scores 22 ppg, your replacement gives you 11 (this is like RB 32 production). This gives you 286 points.

Scenario B: You wait for a steadier RB who gives you 16 ppg and stays healthy all year: 256 points.

Now of course the chances that Scenario B RB gets hurt and misses time is pretty good because that's life as a RB. It's also possible if you have CMC's handcuff or are a little craftier on the waiver wire that the replacement in scenario B is scoring more like 14 PPG. But from a simpe math perspective, I think if CMC plays 9-10 games you are getting a return on value even at pick 1. Those 286 points come out to 17.8 a game which would have been RB6 last year.
Not gonna pick apart your post line by line, but I largely disagree. Suffice to say there are way too many "Ifs" and using the ideal/rosiest view projections for me. But the reason his ADP is mid to late 1st round is because the majority of people agree with you not me haha. So from that angle, I get what you're saying.

My broader philosophy of fantasy is make the playoffs bc at that point it's largely a crapshoot who wins (IME). I don't NEED to hit on some uber high upside guy to do that like I would if I was playing in some 10k entry DFS tournament where it's impossible to win if you don't have Vick/LT/Faulk the years they exploded. What I can't afford to do is whiff on one of the first two picks I make. So in general, I avoid risk where I can there. To be fair to CMC, part of the equation for me has been mostly avoiding ALL RBs in the first round; so really the flag is already red for me, his injury history/bust potential just make it extra red hah.
I get the philosophy of avoiding landmines early and targeting WR in PPR. I don't think it's a bad play. I agree that if you can just make the playoffs, anything can happen. You know what will really help my team make the playoffs, a RB averaging 20+ ppg. I think with Aiyuk hurt, Deebo gone and the defense slipping quality we may see CMC get an increased focus on the offense and his receptions and TDs could be pushing career best. In this current environment, I think 25 ppg is very doable. I am willing to roll the dice on that.
 
I think I roll the dice on the upside. He is healthy right now. He's played at least 16 games in 5 of his 8 seasons including 2 of the last 3. He has 5 seasons where he has averaged over 20 ppr ppg. If he gets hurt, you can play someone else.

Scenario A: CMC gives you 10 healthy games and you have to use a bench player for the other 6 games.
CMC scores 22 ppg, your replacement gives you 11 (this is like RB 32 production). This gives you 286 points.

Scenario B: You wait for a steadier RB who gives you 16 ppg and stays healthy all year: 256 points.

Now of course the chances that Scenario B RB gets hurt and misses time is pretty good because that's life as a RB. It's also possible if you have CMC's handcuff or are a little craftier on the waiver wire that the replacement in scenario B is scoring more like 14 PPG. But from a simpe math perspective, I think if CMC plays 9-10 games you are getting a return on value even at pick 1. Those 286 points come out to 17.8 a game which would have been RB6 last year.
Not gonna pick apart your post line by line, but I largely disagree. Suffice to say there are way too many "Ifs" and using the ideal/rosiest view projections for me. But the reason his ADP is mid to late 1st round is because the majority of people agree with you not me haha. So from that angle, I get what you're saying.

My broader philosophy of fantasy is make the playoffs bc at that point it's largely a crapshoot who wins (IME). I don't NEED to hit on some uber high upside guy to do that like I would if I was playing in some 10k entry DFS tournament where it's impossible to win if you don't have Vick/LT/Faulk the years they exploded. What I can't afford to do is whiff on one of the first two picks I make. So in general, I avoid risk where I can there. To be fair to CMC, part of the equation for me has been mostly avoiding ALL RBs in the first round; so really the flag is already red for me, his injury history/bust potential just make it extra red hah.
I get the philosophy of avoiding landmines early and targeting WR in PPR. I don't think it's a bad play. I agree that if you can just make the playoffs, anything can happen. You know what will really help my team make the playoffs, a RB averaging 20+ ppg. I think with Aiyuk hurt, Deebo gone and the defense slipping quality we may see CMC get an increased focus on the offense and his receptions and TDs could be pushing career best. In this current environment, I think 25 ppg is very doable. I am willing to roll the dice on that.
I'm a biased Pearsall owner who's still fantasizing a lot of that production goes his way, but I won't derail the CMC thread with those pipe dreams :ROFLMAO:
 
Scenario A: CMC gives you 10 healthy games and you have to use a bench player for the other 6 games.
CMC scores 22 ppg, your replacement gives you 11 (this is like RB 32 production). This gives you 286 points.
Going wit CMC just means you have to put a priority on Guerrendo (or whoever you think the backup will be). Guerrendo showed that he can be a fantasy starter when he has the reigns. Ensuring you get him by reaching a round or two is the answer here. Elite production from that spot. Now Guerrendo hasn't shown to be the most healthy guy either but anyone can get injured.

I don't go with CMC in the top half of the first round but definitely in the 2nd half and then just ensure I get the handcuff.
 
I think I roll the dice on the upside. He is healthy right now. He's played at least 16 games in 5 of his 8 seasons including 2 of the last 3. He has 5 seasons where he has averaged over 20 ppr ppg. If he gets hurt, you can play someone else.

Scenario A: CMC gives you 10 healthy games and you have to use a bench player for the other 6 games.
CMC scores 22 ppg, your replacement gives you 11 (this is like RB 32 production). This gives you 286 points.

Scenario B: You wait for a steadier RB who gives you 16 ppg and stays healthy all year: 256 points.

Now of course the chances that Scenario B RB gets hurt and misses time is pretty good because that's life as a RB. It's also possible if you have CMC's handcuff or are a little craftier on the waiver wire that the replacement in scenario B is scoring more like 14 PPG. But from a simpe math perspective, I think if CMC plays 9-10 games you are getting a return on value even at pick 1. Those 286 points come out to 17.8 a game which would have been RB6 last year.
Not gonna pick apart your post line by line, but I largely disagree. Suffice to say there are way too many "Ifs" and using the ideal/rosiest view projections for me. But the reason his ADP is mid to late 1st round is because the majority of people agree with you not me haha. So from that angle, I get what you're saying.

My broader philosophy of fantasy is make the playoffs bc at that point it's largely a crapshoot who wins (IME). I don't NEED to hit on some uber high upside guy to do that like I would if I was playing in some 10k entry DFS tournament where it's impossible to win if you don't have Vick/LT/Faulk the years they exploded. What I can't afford to do is whiff on one of the first two picks I make. So in general, I avoid risk where I can there. To be fair to CMC, part of the equation for me has been mostly avoiding ALL RBs in the first round; so really the flag is already red for me, his injury history/bust potential just make it extra red hah.
I get the philosophy of avoiding landmines early and targeting WR in PPR. I don't think it's a bad play. I agree that if you can just make the playoffs, anything can happen. You know what will really help my team make the playoffs, a RB averaging 20+ ppg. I think with Aiyuk hurt, Deebo gone and the defense slipping quality we may see CMC get an increased focus on the offense and his receptions and TDs could be pushing career best. In this current environment, I think 25 ppg is very doable. I am willing to roll the dice on that.
I'm a biased Pearsall owner who's still fantasizing a lot of that production goes his way, but I won't derail the CMC thread with those pipe dreams :ROFLMAO:
Pearsall also needs to show he can get and stay on the field. Has missed all the summer work so far.
 
Where’s that “best shape of his life SZN” topic when you need it?

The nature of his injury is such that no matter how good he looks, no matter if he comes out of the gate with 20+ touches and RB1 profile, on any given carry (or trip to the grocery store, or stepping out of the shower, or working out, etc) he could aggravate it in one, the other, or both Achilles.

Bilateral Achilles tendonitis. It’s very typically a chronic injury, especially in athletes.

I’m staying far, far away in FF. I put the O/U at 7 games, and that may be generous.
 
Where’s that “best shape of his life SZN” topic when you need it?

The nature of his injury is such that no matter how good he looks, no matter if he comes out of the gate with 20+ touches and RB1 profile, on any given carry (or trip to the grocery store, or stepping out of the shower, or working out, etc) he could aggravate it in one, the other, or both Achilles.

Bilateral Achilles tendonitis. It’s very typically a chronic injury, especially in athletes.

I’m staying far, far away in FF. I put the O/U at 7 games, and that may be generous.

This is what worries me. It's not a typical "Injury prone" debate. His specific injuries seem to have a much higher chance to recur. I know some of these expert sites (possibly FBG included) have sports doctors on staff. I'd like to hear their opinion on his history.
 
I know some of these expert sites (possibly FBG included) have sports doctors on staff. I'd like to hear their opinion on his history.
There is quite a bit of info on the injury if you search around. It’s a fairly well understood condition.

It is technically possible to cure it but from what I’ve read that’s in randos - the ones who have chronic issues are athletes because it’s an injury from overuse. And no one overuses their Achilles like running backs.

It also matters where the injury is, and from what I’ve come to understand it’s in the calf area, which is even more problematic.

But again, this is all from stuff I’ve read, and I am not a doctor. Maybe none of this applies to CMC. He did go to Europe to get a PRP injection to help speed his healing last year, and he lasted all of what, 3 quarters of a game?

Yeah. I’m not holding my breath for the dude to return to top 3 RB form for an extended period, though I concede that it’s possible.
 
Where’s that “best shape of his life SZN” topic when you need it?

The nature of his injury is such that no matter how good he looks, no matter if he comes out of the gate with 20+ touches and RB1 profile, on any given carry (or trip to the grocery store, or stepping out of the shower, or working out, etc) he could aggravate it in one, the other, or both Achilles.

Bilateral Achilles tendonitis. It’s very typically a chronic injury, especially in athletes.

I’m staying far, far away in FF. I put the O/U at 7 games, and that may be generous.
George Kittle had the same injury, if I'm not mistaken, and has come back over the past few years. I'm all-in on CMC this year.
 
George Kittle had the same injury, if I'm not mistaken, and has come back over the past few years. I'm all-in on CMC this year
Pretty sure he did not. He had a strained calf. He did not have Achilles tendinitis.

He had numerous other injuries, but not the same one CMC has.

https://x.com/jmthrivept/status/1917419968842588393

George Kittle dealt with bilateral Achilles tendinitis (tracked back to sometime between 2020-2023) and sought stem cell treatment. Hasn’t had issues since.Christian McCaffrey did the same in 2024, and is fully healthy again (also healthy from the PCL sprain).Wheels up.
 
George Kittle had the same injury, if I'm not mistaken, and has come back over the past few years. I'm all-in on CMC this year
Pretty sure he did not. He had a strained calf. He did not have Achilles tendinitis.

He had numerous other injuries, but not the same one CMC has.

https://x.com/jmthrivept/status/1917419968842588393

George Kittle dealt with bilateral Achilles tendinitis (tracked back to sometime between 2020-2023) and sought stem cell treatment. Hasn’t had issues since.Christian McCaffrey did the same in 2024, and is fully healthy again (also healthy from the PCL sprain).Wheels up.
Whoa - I stand corrected. Weird, I’d never seen that before.

Ok, well good luck with CMC then. I’m staying far away.
 
Just be sure to draft Isaiah G.....either way will get a top 10 play with upside.
That's what people likely thought last year who rostered CMC and Mitchell.

At whatever rate I'm not as certain that Guerendo is the guy if CMC goes down.
Nobody thought Mitchell would be healthy last year.
You don't speak for everyone.
He got hurt early in training camp last year and was placed on IR before the season started. After missing 6 games the year before. If you thought he was going to be the primary backup, you either drafted really early or you weren't paying attention.
 
Just be sure to draft Isaiah G.....either way will get a top 10 play with upside.
That's what people likely thought last year who rostered CMC and Mitchell.

At whatever rate I'm not as certain that Guerendo is the guy if CMC goes down.
Nobody thought Mitchell would be healthy last year.
You don't speak for everyone.
He got hurt early in training camp last year and was placed on IR before the season started. After missing 6 games the year before. If you thought he was going to be the primary backup, you either drafted really early or you weren't paying attention.
Drafted in May when he was the primary backup, like he was beyond this point in the calendar year last year, and I don't pre-scribe to the injury prone myth.
 
Just be sure to draft Isaiah G.....either way will get a top 10 play with upside.
That's what people likely thought last year who rostered CMC and Mitchell.

At whatever rate I'm not as certain that Guerendo is the guy if CMC goes down.
Nobody thought Mitchell would be healthy last year.
You don't speak for everyone.
He got hurt early in training camp last year and was placed on IR before the season started. After missing 6 games the year before. If you thought he was going to be the primary backup, you either drafted really early or you weren't paying attention.
Drafted in May when he was the primary backup, like he was beyond this point in the calendar year last year, and I don't pre-scribe to the injury prone myth.
Definitely not a myth as applied to Mitchell as you found out.
 
Just be sure to draft Isaiah G.....either way will get a top 10 play with upside.
That's what people likely thought last year who rostered CMC and Mitchell.

At whatever rate I'm not as certain that Guerendo is the guy if CMC goes down.
Nobody thought Mitchell would be healthy last year.
You don't speak for everyone.
He got hurt early in training camp last year and was placed on IR before the season started. After missing 6 games the year before. If you thought he was going to be the primary backup, you either drafted really early or you weren't paying attention.
Drafted in May when he was the primary backup, like he was beyond this point in the calendar year last year, and I don't pre-scribe to the injury prone myth.
The process is sound. Mitchell likely would have been the guy if he was healthy. He was not so it went to Mason. He dominated until he got hurt then it went to Gurrendo who played very well. Point is that having the SF RB that is playing is a profitable player to have......until they get hurt. It seems more and more it's the system that is injury prone to players. High risk and high reward.
 
Just be sure to draft Isaiah G.....either way will get a top 10 play with upside.
That's what people likely thought last year who rostered CMC and Mitchell.

At whatever rate I'm not as certain that Guerendo is the guy if CMC goes down.
If I can only roster 1 in redraft due to bench size, it has to be Guerendo over James at the moment, right?
Yes, that's fair to say.
If I could only roster one it would be Guerendo. He has a dynamic skill set that fits Shanny’s offense, and moreover he’s already learned the system, and some trust.

I don’t see James leapfrogging him without an injury.

That said, they still have Patrick Taylor & Izzy on the roster. Abanikanda is a dude who had some juice when he was drafted by the worst possible team.

“My abanikanda don’t want none” 🎶
 
Just be sure to draft Isaiah G.....either way will get a top 10 play with upside.
That's what people likely thought last year who rostered CMC and Mitchell.

At whatever rate I'm not as certain that Guerendo is the guy if CMC goes down.
Nobody thought Mitchell would be healthy last year.
You don't speak for everyone.
He got hurt early in training camp last year and was placed on IR before the season started. After missing 6 games the year before. If you thought he was going to be the primary backup, you either drafted really early or you weren't paying attention.
Drafted in May when he was the primary backup, like he was beyond this point in the calendar year last year, and I don't pre-scribe to the injury prone myth.
Definitely not a myth as applied to Mitchell as you found out.
What a load of nonsense your whole spiel is.

Today is July 14th. July 14th of last year everyone was drafting Mitchell as the RB2 in SF so as I said if you thought you secured the SF backfield you did not.

And Guerendo did not even make it to 100 touches before he got hurt which only reinforces my point that drafting both of them guarantees you nothing.
 
I don’t see James leapfrogging him without an injury.
I can.

I'd side with Gurendo as I stated but very easy for me to see James usurping even if healthy. Totally different players and styles but I think whereas Guerendo bring more explosive ability I think James will prove to be a more reliable and steady player. I think he's a more polished RB.
It’s possible - I’m a little skeptical. I have both, so I’m fairly agnostic here.
 

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