ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
What's even crazier about McCaffrey breaking Barry Sanders' record at Stanford is that he basically beat out the guy's own son, a hyped recruit in his own right, in order to do it.
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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (3 Viewers)
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
That's a cool fact. I remember reading about Barry's son in high school and being excited about following him in college but then never really hearing about him much since. Now I know why.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He made the kid transfer (to his father's school, but still). Sanders Jr. was drafted in some devy drafts I saw, as a freshman I think, and McCaffrey ended up being the real prize.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It's not necessarily a lot to gain for a 20 year old though.
LeSean McCoy is 10lbs heavier than his combine weight. DeMarco Murray 7lbs heavier. Chris Johnson 8lbs heavier. These are all guys who were around the same size as him at the combine.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I remember really liking his high school clips! He looked really good back then.
The one thing that I think often gets lost in all of our analysis is that DRIVE of an athlete, something you just cannot measure. That's the true separation between who makes it and who doesn't. Who becomes a pro-bowler and who doesn't. HOF vs not... All these guys are good/great athletes and the most elite athletes from a metrics perspective don't always become elite players, obviously. Those who do turn out to be the Michael Jordans and Barry Sanders of the world.
I think McCaffrey's metrics are extremely high-end, not elite, but very very good. We can't measure his WILL but we do know he produced at the highest level in college football at a very young age (19 - a young 19 at that). And when I say produced, I mean he broke Barry Sanders' NCAA single-season record for all-purpose yardage with over 3,800 yards. THIRTY-EIGHT HUNDRED YARDS. AT AGE 19. He also appears to thrive on the big stage dominating his sophomore year bowl game as well as the combine. By all accounts he works harder than anyone else. There's that quote from an earlier poster about the coach that couldn't break him on a drill that's designed to break your will.
I'm sure I'm a broken record by now, but I think this is one of the most obvious no-brainer type picks in dynasty and NFL and I'm bothered that everyone is hesitant because of various reasons, including the color of his skin. The ONLY negatives are his weight and bench press but I and many others have explained the insignificance of both. I have the number 1 pick in one of my dynasty leagues and I've already decided it's going to be McCaffrey. Last week it was Davis but today I'm going with McCaffrey who I think has the most upside of any player in the draft (non-QB).
tombonneau
Footballguy
If he puts on a few pounds without losing a step I can see him as Bell 2.0. Kind of the inverse of Bell who looked average as a rookie bulked up to 245 but then at 220-225 became best back in NFL.
Will be all about situation for him though. The wrong team he's a RB3; the right team he can be top 5.
Will be all about situation for him though. The wrong team he's a RB3; the right team he can be top 5.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Arguing over 8 lbs....no one worried about fournette gaining 8lbs or cook being 9% sparq athlete, not enough to drop them below mcaff anyway. As a 1.02 owner I've been trying to drop back a couple spots and get Davis or mcaff, but I may just stay put and take one there. There is something to be said about drive. Sometimes I think guys at some bigger football schools get treated very special, and it's easy to get distracted, feel entitled (to special treatment and playing time), and think you're the freakin best because everyone is always pumping you up. I could even see a coach recruiting with the "you'll be a star here, big man on campus" angle. I imagine what it would be like being fournette, having this boss season and everyone is like "next Peterson" "sure bet first rounder" and everyone on campus treating you like you're already a hall of famer. Seems like it would be easy to sit back and enjoy the ride rather than grind out conditioning and study play books. USC wr syndrome maybe. Guys with family history in the pros is a plus, they likely have been taught how to prepare from a younger age, mcaffery and zay jones are those guys this year.
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
- Dalvin Cook had a pretty mediocre combine which is causing GMs to reevaluate him as the combine performance did not match his tape at all. I think he likely added weight for the combine which zapped his explosion numbers.
- Shady McCoy had the flu at his combine and DNP in anything other than bench. His playing weight has always been around 210 or better. That is where his body naturally is, not what he was trying to achieve.
- Chris Johnson scored a 10 on the wonderlic, ran a 4.24, 35" vert, 10'10" broad jump. (it doesn't take a jeenyus to play RB)
If you start comparing McCaffrey to other 202 lb performers at the combine alone, including WRs and DBs, you will see pretty quickly that he is an average athlete for someone who is 5'11/202. We have to be honest about this guy. There is nothing elite about a 202 lb player at any position running high 4.4s or low 4.5s. This is not college. He will not run through arm tackles at this level, LBs are not going to flinch at a 202 lb RB coming into their AO and will likely tee off on the guy, most NFL DBs can easily cover 4.5 speed and he's not tall enough to go up and win jump balls. When he takes the field as a RB Defensive Coordinators can open their entire playbook and can easily use nickle or more exotic packages because he will pose no threat to pound the ball between the tackles. He will never wear down a defense as a runner. He poses no real home-run threat in the NFL. At 4.5 or worse speed in pads, he can be run down by every single DB on the field and likely a handful of LBs.
There is a place for the guy in the NFL, but it isn't as a featured ball carrier. If I buy McCaffrey, I'm hoping for 5 or so carries and a half dozen targets per game after he settles into the offense. One thing he is not, is matchup proof. He doesn't have J Charles/Jahvid Best/Chris Johnson type speed at his height weight. Those guys didn't enjoy running between the tackles very often either but they had home-run speed and were the fastest guy on the field nearly every time they stepped foot on it. McCaffrey just is not that.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Great call! Always great to see an expurt busting out the facts and nowlij.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lesean-mccoy?id=79607
LeSean McCoy ()
HT: 5'10" WT: 198LBS.
POSITION: RB
SCHOOL: Pittsburgh
And I especially like the thought that a RB won't be able to beat the DB that is assigned to cover him on defense. You just can't get enough if this kind of incredible insight!
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
Shady had the flu leading up to the combine, lost weight because of that fact......He plays at 210+ and has since his 2nd year in the league. What are your questions? Sure seems like you are really attached to a 202 lb RB who runs 4.5....good luck with that.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Via trade I will have the choice of Davis, Mixon, and CM. I'm leaning towards Davis but not totally ruling out CM or Mixon but right now Davis is #1 and is probably the safest pick out of the three.
Tex
Ilov80s
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I'm really in love with Davis as a prospect and I do see a little of TO in his game after the catch but I see a younger version of Jordy Nelson.
Then there's Mixon who great in all phases of the game but he comes at a high risk.
Lastly, CM who put up Donkey Kong type numbers. Is it live or is it Memorex? The guy is a player but how will he be used?!?!?
To me it doesn't matter where Davis goes he's going to produce but the other two, yes it definitely matters.
Tex
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Hey, like I said, you are the expurt busting out the fax on us.
McCoy must have had a really bad flu. The 2009 combine weigh in was on Feb 20th +/-. Here are the results from his pro day:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70862&draftyear=2009&genpos=RB
Dates: 03/17/09 Height: 5103Weight: 198
I guess McCaffrey won't be able to put on any weight from this point foward. What a shame. I guess he'll just be stuck as a gadget player who will always be covered by DBs.
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Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
The illness caused McCoy to lose 10 pounds -- he weighed in at 198 at the combine -- and likely will prevent him from taking part in the 225-pound bench-press drill because he feels so weak. But he said he wants to compete in all the other drills when the running backs work out with the quarterbacks and wide receivers tomorrow at Lucas Oil Stadium.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/2009/02/21/NFL-Scouting-Combine-Former-Pitt-star-McCoy-sick-at-wrong-time-wrong-place/stories/200902210111
Google is your friend....
BTW, draft scout is not the most reliable source out there, but hey...whatever.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
The illness caused McCoy to lose 10 pounds -- he weighed in at 198 at the combine -- and likely will prevent him from taking part in the 225-pound bench-press drill because he feels so weak. But he said he wants to compete in all the other drills when the running backs work out with the quarterbacks and wide receivers tomorrow at Lucas Oil Stadium.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/2009/02/21/NFL-Scouting-Combine-Former-Pitt-star-McCoy-sick-at-wrong-time-wrong-place/stories/200902210111
Google is your friend....
Ummmm, yeah. I posted the link you ignored that shows all the results from his pro day, including his weigh in.
Reading is your friend...
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
Believe me, I keep track of results...lol...good luck with your 202 lb. Is that you Eddie? Are you here pimping your son?Ummmm, yeah. I posted the link you ignored that shows all the results from his pro day, including his weigh in.
Reading is your friend...
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
Good luck to your son Eddie. I loved your game when you played with the Broncos. How is that leg anyway? Ouch!
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massraider
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
It seems that most of the skepticism about CM is because of his weight/height. There was a pretty damn good back with similar measurements in the recent past: Tiki Barber.
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CalBear
Footballguy
Tiki's an interesting comp. He went in the top of the second round, which is a possibility for McCaffrey, wound up splitting time with less-talented running backs for most of his career, but wound up with a pretty solid career. Didn't have his first good fantasy season until his fourth year in the league, though.
Another undersized pass-catching guy who came out the same year as Barber was Priest Holmes. Those two guys, along with Marshall Faulk, really helped redefine the RB position in the NFL.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Seriously what's the difference between McCaffrey and Cook based on the combine? 8 pounds lighter and 1 inch taller for McCaffrey and yet Cook can carry a workload, but McCaff can't? It's ridiculous. If (and highly imagine when) an NFL team says "Hey Christian, we want you to play at 210 or something" I can't imagine him being as poor athletically as Cook was. I don't understand why Cook is being touted as a "feature back" but he's smaller and very slightly heavier than McCaffrey is. If anything McCaffrey can grow into that frame at 21 years old by kickoff, and play at a stronger weight. Cook has proven to be a poor athlete at a higher weight so why aren't there questions regarding his ability to carry the load?
It's his weight. You just CANT be a feature back at 202 pounds. Its impossible. Look, I think McCaffrey is a special player, but I just dont see a work-horse back. When I see him play, I see someone like... I dont know... Danny Woodhead. Mostly a pass catching back. Yeah, I think that would work for him. Another alternative for him is to switch to being a slot receiver. Someone like... Julian Edelman! That would be a good route for him. Maybe Danny Amendola, but I think McCaffrey is a better player, and I hope he can stay healthier then Amendola. But yeah, its the weight. Thats it. 100%.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Wrong. Two words: Tiki Barber
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
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Zyphros
Footballguy
So are you in favor of Cook being a feature back? Whats the absolute minimum to be a "feature back" like you so call it?
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
Recently moved up to 1.02 in one league specifically so I can get McCaffrey. Super-high floor due to pass-catching skills, coupled with a high ceiling.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
The big 4 have become the big 5
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
After watching a lot of him recently he really reminds me of Brian Westbrook
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I can see that. Kamara and Ross might be in 2nd grouping a bit below the other 6.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Unless he goes to the Patriots and they cut all their other RBs and enter the season with only McCaffrey at the position, I think you'll be fine.
Borden
Footballguy
I wouldn't worry about that. I'm not saying that flippantly, it's just that WR is usually valued higher in dynasty. Cook and Fournette have pretty big hype. Mixon and Ross could both jump into FF stardom is some analyst "loves this situation for him" the could be vault up draft boards too.
massraider
Footballguy
It's Fournette and McCaffrey for me at the moment.
Cook, I am all set. Injuries, off the field stuff, no thanks. Then test like a TE at the combine.
If I thought Fournette was fine out of the shotgun, it would be easy 1-2. But it really makes me nervous that he seems to need to be in a traditional set.
Cook, I am all set. Injuries, off the field stuff, no thanks. Then test like a TE at the combine.
If I thought Fournette was fine out of the shotgun, it would be easy 1-2. But it really makes me nervous that he seems to need to be in a traditional set.
