DropKick
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He's white! As in Caucasian? I gotta redo my draft board!
What are the odds the Pats will convert him to a WR?
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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (4 Viewers)
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What are the odds the Pats will convert him to a WR?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
What are the odds that you regular posters here are also big Tim Tebow fans? Just curious but I'd bet more than one of you is......I know one is FOR SURE by a quick look at the tebow "fan page", which lets me know just how serious to take his opinion..... 
bostonfred
Footballguy
Seattle has prosise for exactly that reason and Carroll talked about it when they made the pick.
Ideal nfl fit for him imo is Kansas city. Tyreek hill kind of fills that role now but he can focus on being a receiver and gadget plays, mccaffrey can be the versatile player who replaces most of Jamaal Charles role, and ware can be the banger.
The one I would worry about is San Francisco taking him at the top of the second to be the Freeman to Hyde's Tevin Coleman. That's a real possibility.
San Diego would be a good fit for him for that same reason, basically replace woodhead although with a slower younger guy.
Patriots got a lot of chatter early but they already have 3 of him and don't have 1.32 anymore.
The redskins might like to pair him with fat Rob. Not a bad fit.
Jaguars and broncos would be the other two who might consider taking him, they wouldn't be great fits but it makes some sense. Green Bay, indy, Carolina seem like the best fantasy landing spots though for sure
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Hill's ST kind of removes that part of McCaffrey, so I'm passing on him in KC's options. IIRC, Ware & West are signed to affordable deals as well.
Gandalf
Footballguy
I see in the mixon thread you are hoping the eagles draft him. How come you prefer mixon?
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I just posted my thoughts on Fournette in the Fournette thread. But in addition to my dislike for Fournette and post in his thread, I wanted to post here since I just did a back-to-back tape watching session between Fournette and McCaffrey. It only reiterated my position on each... that Fournette is NOT special and McCaffrey IS special. It's not even close and it's a shame that his pale Irish skin is so severely skewing the obvious.
Watch the 'tape', folks. McCaffrey can make something out of nothing and consistently churns out chunks of yardage running up the gut. He's elite in every way except top end speed (combine 40) but I'd argue his game speed is elite. He has elite vision, instincts and patience and has more power than people give him credit for. He's my top ranked rookie for dynasty without question.
Watch the 'tape', folks. McCaffrey can make something out of nothing and consistently churns out chunks of yardage running up the gut. He's elite in every way except top end speed (combine 40) but I'd argue his game speed is elite. He has elite vision, instincts and patience and has more power than people give him credit for. He's my top ranked rookie for dynasty without question.
Skill wise I think he's the top RB in this class. Elite RB size and speed, catches the ball well. I'm not worried that he'll be a problem child.
CabinFever
Footballguy
If you watch the 2015 LSU vs Alabama it is hard to come away without at least some concern about Fournette. Yes that Alabama D is amazing, but that's what he will face on Sundays starting this fall. Did McCaffrey ever play vs Alabama during his career?
Borden
Footballguy
Can we get over this skin color thing? My goodness. Why is he being projected more as a WR? Because he runs like a WR in traffic. He has a horrible habit of only keeping one arm on the ball. In traffic/through a messy gap he hops around and swats/pushes/pulls defenders. He looks like a WR on a screen pass. He's a great athlete and it shows on his runs. He runs decent routes but has bad drops on those quick fast underneath routes. The comments on him being a slot are because that's a closer route scheme to a RB than a wide out.
I'm not trying to bash him, I like McCaffery but let's get over this skin color thing.
I'm not trying to bash him, I like McCaffery but let's get over this skin color thing.
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
He has the lowest/best fumble rate of all the top RB prospects this year.Borden said:
No, because he's small and weak. Has bust written all over him. He's going to be a third down back. I'd love him in the third and wouldn't be too upset if they got him in the3 second. But no way I risk a first rounder on a 200 pound guy who only got ten reps with 225. He's going to get destroyed if any team tries giving him 20 carries a game.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Wrong. Weight isn't a reliable factor in determining success. LeSean McCoy and Tiki Barber were both 200 lbs coming out of college. I doubt you would say they were busts. Bench press isn't a reliable measurement either. The 3 cone drill seems to be the most reliable measurement and CM posted an excellent time.JuniorNB said:
Borden
Footballguy
I like how he keeps his hands down until the ball gets there. Seems to track the ball well too. But it's a bit different with a DB on you and maybe a Safety lining you up in the trolley tracks.
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
"McCaffrey’s goal Thursday was to deliver a message to the 50 or so NFL scouts and coaches in attendance at his Stanford pro day that he can do as much if not more damage as a receiver than he can as a runner".....
“I just think I showed some versatility,” McCaffrey said. “I did all my running back stuff at the combine. Today I really wanted to make sure they knew I can run routes from the slot, I can run routes from the outside, and catch kick and punt returns.
“I just wanted to show them that I really believe I can do anything.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/23/stanfords-christian-mccaffrey-shows-off-his-skills-as-a-receiver/
To those of you insisting that McCaffrey will be a RB and not a receiver, you might want to start rethinking that position because McCaffrey has. It probably doesn't hurt that he was asked by more than one team at the combine if he would be open to a position change. Rocked up at 202 lbs, everybody knows he isn't getting any bigger and isn't going to be playing RB in the NFL unless it is for a very scheme-specific team and primarily running routes out of the backfield. I think he'll make a good WR in the NFL so it's nice to see he is open to the change, and the sooner the better so we can gauge what his real fantasy potential will be. Hopefully a team takes him and eventually turns him into the premiere slot WR that he can be.
“I just think I showed some versatility,” McCaffrey said. “I did all my running back stuff at the combine. Today I really wanted to make sure they knew I can run routes from the slot, I can run routes from the outside, and catch kick and punt returns.
“I just wanted to show them that I really believe I can do anything.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/23/stanfords-christian-mccaffrey-shows-off-his-skills-as-a-receiver/
To those of you insisting that McCaffrey will be a RB and not a receiver, you might want to start rethinking that position because McCaffrey has. It probably doesn't hurt that he was asked by more than one team at the combine if he would be open to a position change. Rocked up at 202 lbs, everybody knows he isn't getting any bigger and isn't going to be playing RB in the NFL unless it is for a very scheme-specific team and primarily running routes out of the backfield. I think he'll make a good WR in the NFL so it's nice to see he is open to the change, and the sooner the better so we can gauge what his real fantasy potential will be. Hopefully a team takes him and eventually turns him into the premiere slot WR that he can be.
You are kind of missing the whole point with McCaffrey. Being really good at both means that you can be a matchup player, which makes personnel decisions a nightmare for the defense. Imagine offensive personnel is 2 WR, 2 TEs, and McCaffrey. What does the defense call in response to McCaffrey? A linebacker? McCaffrey moves out to the slot and a linebacker follows, giving him the advantage. A nickel corner? Everyone stays in and blocks, giving the edge to the offense to run the ball.
Now imagine they turn McCaffrey into a slot receiver like Edelman. The above problem evaporates. You play nickel and be done with it.
If a team only has McCaffrey run or only has him receive, they are idiots. He is a matchup player, and a really really good one at that. The better he is at each helps him do the other more effectively.
CalBear
Footballguy
He's probably not an elite receiver. As an RB his upside is Brian Westbrook/Lesean McCoy/Tiki Barber. As a WR his upside is...Ed McCaffrey?
Gandalf
Footballguy
Los Gigantes
Footballguy
Would love him on the giants as the new Tiki Baber.
Borden
Footballguy
His big value is as being able to play both positions. His function is the same regardless of what position he plays. The only difference is the FF position that he gets designated. In your hypothetical situation I'd say he just gets his touch type reversed. Instead of 10 carries and 5 targets he gets 5 carries and 10 targets. He probably ends up washing for yards because a carry is relatively guaranteed yards but targets typically result in higher yards per touch.
The only other aspect would be his utility for FF purposes. If he gets a RB or WR it might change his value to a specific team because of their needs. If he gets a slash tag (RB/WR) then obviously his value would increase due to increased line up flexibility.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Did you miss the "Let's play a hypothetical"? I'm not missing the point of what he is, I've said it a few pages back already where have you been? I simply asked my question because of some teams asking him to play a different position. If that is true and he is designated as a WR on a team, sure they might still use him out of the backfield but he's a WR in the Cobb/Edelman role, not a RB in the Woodhead/Westbrook/Barber/McCoy kind of way. That drastically changes his value in my mind, not in a good way IMO.
This was a good response. If he does end up mostly playing WR and his touches are reversed then do you still take him near the top of the rookie draft or no?
Situation dependent sure, but again this is all a "what happens if..." and what happens if he gets put into that WR role, is I'd rather have roughly 6-8 rookies instead of him.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Okay. So demonstrating substantial versatility is now a detriment in some people's eyes. Got it.
Borden
Footballguy
The "correct" answer popping into my brain is much lower Year 1 value but more long term value probably is probably better.
The thing with McCaffery is that I don't expect him to ever completely bust (sans a freak injury). He should be coming into the league with a full understanding of what he needs to do. Both in season and the offseason. He doesn't have the elite size or speed. He's not tiny and he's not slow but he isn't DJax or Julio either. I would say his floor (if expanding our made up situation to ONLY playing as a receiver) is Cole Beasley. "Quarterback friendly." As Jason Garrett calls it. CMC's combine numbers aren't that much better than Beasleys pro day. Granted McCaffery is bigger. His ceiling? Reggie Wayne maybe. There's A LOT to learn to be an NFL WR though. As I mentioned he should have a lot of help because of his dad and that's probably the biggest reason he might achieve that ceiling.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Speaking of ideal fits:
1. Colts- there poor line and the ineptitude of the staff are worries, but if the ghost of Frank Gore can rack up 1300 and 8, I feel safe McCaffrey could be an RB1 there.
2. KC- If there is any coach that would know how to use a player like CMc, it's Andy Reid.
3. Raiders- potent offense, great line, good young QB and just a couple undrafted/late rd RBs on the depth chart
1. Colts- there poor line and the ineptitude of the staff are worries, but if the ghost of Frank Gore can rack up 1300 and 8, I feel safe McCaffrey could be an RB1 there.
2. KC- If there is any coach that would know how to use a player like CMc, it's Andy Reid.
3. Raiders- potent offense, great line, good young QB and just a couple undrafted/late rd RBs on the depth chart
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I covered that. He's small and he's weak. Not a good combo. I think he's going to be a 10 touch a game player. Max. I also said that I would be okay if the Eagles drafted him in the second round. I think he would be a good weapon on third downs and in the return game. The successor to Darren Sproles. But I wouldn't want him in the first round. I would take Fournette there, but I'd much rather have a corner if he's already gone.Ilov80s said:
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
As a RB, I would agree with you. 5-ish carries per game and 5-7 targets in passing game. This is why I hope he transitions to the position he will likely end up playing, WR. He'll always have that ability to run a handful of times per game throughout his career if called upon, but his real value to a team and its offense is going to be working those underneath routes and using those lateral quicks to churn out a few extra yards after the catch in space.
And really, his pocketbook will be better off the sooner he makes the commitment to playing WR. Longer career expectancy and higher potential contracts. It's a no brainer to me if he can be effective as a WR.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Where in the 7 Hells is the transition to WR coming from? Because he caught passes in a tryout? Yeah, just switching positions at the NFL level is really simple. Hey, maybe if he throws a few passes he can switch to QB.
Geez. Come on guys. If you want to be taken seriously then act like it.
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
The guy was working with Brandon Stokley this past couple of months for a reason....
Wouldnt be a huge transition for him to run 7 yard routes like an Edelman. Small and quick with good hands. Edelman was a QB in college, by the way.
Where in the 7 Hells is the transition to WR coming from? Because he caught passes in a tryout? Yeah, just switching positions at the NFL level is really simple. Hey, maybe if he throws a few passes he can switch to QB.
Geez. Come on guys. If you want to be taken seriously then act like it.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
How many part-time/3rd-down RBs have been taken in the 1st round in the past 5-7 years vs how many WRs? The thing with McCaffrey is that he will be taken as a "weapon" and likely in the 1st round, mistake or not, but it is in HIS best interest in terms of initial draft position and contract to do exactly what he is doing; Be versatile and show flexibility in position. His chances of being an every down RB in the NFL are slim, and he knows it. His chances of making bank playing slot WR for the next 10 years are pretty decent.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He'll be a multi dimensional weapon as you said. He'll carry the ball, he'll line up in the slot, return kicks etc. He wont be a slot wide receiver. Nobody is taking a player they hope can transition into a slot wide receiver in the 1st round. Those guys are taken in the 7th.
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I've already argued that he's not worth a first-round pick. So that doesn't factor into my statement about him being an Edelman type if the team wants to convert him. I think he's going to be more of a Danny Woodhead/Darren Sproles type, personally.
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
You don't take a punt and kick returner in the 1st either, at least good teams don't.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
McCaffery not in the First...I get it. McCaffery in the First?..I'm thinking.....Tavon Austin.....and I didn't get Tavon Austin in the First.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Come now. Austin was 5'8" 170 and still think in the right offense he would have been a weapon.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't think a guy who needs the "right offense" should be drafted that high. Same with McCaffery.
I guess I must have imagined Edelman and Pryor switching front QB to WR.
Where in the 7 Hells is the transition to WR coming from? Because he caught passes in a tryout? Yeah, just switching positions at the NFL level is really simple. Hey, maybe if he throws a few passes he can switch to QB.
Geez. Come on guys. If you want to be taken seriously then act like it.
