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No sweat. Easy to get messed up when you're reading and typing so much like we do on this site.
Fair enough. If that's how you see it. I see him as early 3rd tops, more likely fourth, so I can split the difference between you and Blackbear. Which leaves him about in the twenties, again, like most mocks have him.
Kareem Hunt and David Johnson were early 3rd round picks. Scarcity and landing spots will dictate where these RBs go. They were both mid to late 1st rd dynasty picks in their respective years. Even if Hubbard goes early 4th, he's a no later than 2.5 this year. If he's 5th, yeah he's garbage fantasy value-wise. I get what you are saying, I'm just not ready to write him off as fantasy irrelevant, which is what 20's typically represents.
I don’t see it, I only watched last years tape and I didn’t see much. If this year is worse I could see round 5.
I dont think he's under valued. There are just 20some guys worth an early-mid 2nd or better. Numbers game says some number of them will fall, just like last year.
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Chuba Hubbard runs a 4.36️
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Official results for @CowboyFB pro-day Part II:
RB Chuba Hubbard
HT 6000
WT 210
Hand 9
Arm 32
Wing 75 3/4
40-yd 4.50/4.48
VJ 36.0
BJ 10-0
SS 4.26
3C 7.24
BP 20x
He sure lost a lot of money by not coming out after his big year in 2019. However, he did fantasy teams a favor because he would have gone top 3 last year. In one of my devy leagues he went 1.3 and I took Waddle at 1.4.
Two totally different playing styles though. Hill had a lot more wiggle and tackle breaking. I am still bummed we never got to see him with even a small role.
That assumes he skips the combine and pro day. If he weighed in last year and ran in the 4.5s he would not have been going ahead of Swift or Akers IMO.
That's still my point though. If Hill produced at OkSt. and still didn't get drafted until the 4th(?) round and wasn't good enough to play a decent role for the Ravens - then is Hubbard any better? Or is it just a RB friendly system in a RB friendly conference?
The Ok State offense is definitely a friendly one for compiling stats in a friendly conference. The pattern is actually pretty interesting. Hill would have been better suited to come out a year earlier than he was able to. His freshman year he stole the lead job from the older Chris Carson. Hill's 2nd year he was the feature back and had a 1600 yard 16 TD season. However, his junior year he fell back into a committee as the younger Chuba ate up a ton of Hill's touches (both guys had 900/9). Then of course Chuba had the 2000 yard season. The pattern played out again as Chuba lost about half of his touches to the younger Dezmon Jackson in 2020. What this all means? I don't know but the special attraction with Chuba was always the sprinter speed in a potentially 210 pound back. That appears to have been a myth.
I can't say I have seen every touch in the NFL or anything but I've thought he looked fine. His numbers are ok. I don't think he is much more than a JAG but maybe just a JAG with pass catching skills and 4.40 speed. A player like that can have a decent career if he lands in a spot where there are touches available. Hill is in the opposite of that. It was probably the worst landing spot possible for him.
Yeah. I just can't get excited about him. Hoping he goes somewhere in the 3rd round and someone else spends their 2nd on him.
I acquired Hill in dynasty because of his raw skills. He's buried in Baltimore, so he was cheap, cheap, cheap. I'm hoping that he sees a little opportunity this year or the next somewhere. The Ravens don't seem like they believe in him, though, or they wouldn't have drafted Dobbins and continue to bury him as depth.
Yep, the window is so small for these guys. An off game, a GM falling in love with another RB prospect, a poor first impression with a coach and just like that a player can find his window closing on him before he ever really got a shot.
There's a great fantasy running back grader that I've seen. It's at Fantasy Pros and it's a guy named David Zach (or something like that) and his Z score for running backs. He includes running back opportunity into his assessment of where to draft guys. It's positively correlated with success. I'll forward it to you when it comes out in late April or May.
I think he's still going even higher than that. Probably depends on where he gets drafted, or if he does. DLF ADP has him at sixteen right now.
Living in OK...Sooners had players practicing when it seemed like they shouldn't (but were allowed) and they were ready to roll.
Yep. Was Chuba one of the players that was vocal about the coach's politics as well? It seems like a lot Ok State players aren't big fans of the Gundy.
Chuba was indeed vocal about his coach wearing an OAN shirt. Said he wasn't going to play for him or something. They purportedly smoothed things over when Gundy actually apologized to the team (which is a rare concession from these college FB coaches) for wearing it, claiming he didn't know about the network and that the shirt was given to him.
Not really concerned with the political angle of it, just looking at reasons why maybe Chuba didn't feel committed to the season. COVID obviously could be a big factor for a lot of guys. I wonder how many got displaced from their usual routines, gyms were closed and found themselves getting out of shape, losing some interesting in football, experiencing some depression, etc. There have to be prospects who were negatively impacted by the year.
No doubt about COVID. I was just giving the politics as backdrop, since that's inextricable from the story.
Right, just don't want to go down the road of whether Chuba was right or wrong to feel anything. Just that it could along with other world factors contributed to him not having his head or heart fully into the season.
