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RB D’Andre Swift, CHI (1 Viewer)

When I saw Hard Knocks last year, I got the distinct impression he kind of didn’t give a f. I’m beginning to think I was right, Det knew it, punted him to Philly, and now they’ve discovered it too.

Say it with me: Bum.
 
Proteus said:
When I saw Hard Knocks last year, I got the distinct impression he kind of didn’t give a f. I’m beginning to think I was right, Det knew it, punted him to Philly, and now they’ve discovered it too.

Say it with me: Bum.
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I'm releuctantly beginning to lean that way. Beginning to. Keeping the faith, but he must prove something, and soon.
 
D’Andre Swift rushed one time for three yards in the Eagles’ Week 1 win over the Patriots, adding one reception for zero yards.

Swift wasn’t involved much in the game plan to many of our surprises. The Eagles went with Kenneth Gainwell in a move likely tied to who knows the offense most. For now, Swift should remain on your fantasy team’s bench.
- Rotoworld
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Kind of forced to start him unless WW works out for me. Hoping a knee jerk turn around on the short week. Though I expect Penny to be active and get 2nd half carries this week. Especially if they're ahead.
 
Trying to think positive here. First off, Gainwell has injured ribs, has not practiced the last 2 days and they play on Thursday this week. Jeff Mans mentioned something today that seemed to be a thing last year with coaching decisions and playing time. RB usage can really differ the games prior to playing on Thursday the following week. Could the extreme low usage of Swift last week be related to this and be part of "a" plan?
 
dmac37 said:
Trying to think positive here. First off, Gainwell has injured ribs, has not practiced the last 2 days and they play on Thursday this week. Jeff Mans mentioned something today that seemed to be a thing last year with coaching decisions and playing time. RB usage can really differ the games prior to playing on Thursday the following week. Could the extreme low usage of Swift last week be related to this and be part of "a" plan?
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I thought I was the Super Swifter around here. Seriously though, I hope you're right. Been a believer a long time, but week 1 was a shock to the system.
 
eighsse2 said:
dmac37 said:
Trying to think positive here. First off, Gainwell has injured ribs, has not practiced the last 2 days and they play on Thursday this week. Jeff Mans mentioned something today that seemed to be a thing last year with coaching decisions and playing time. RB usage can really differ the games prior to playing on Thursday the following week. Could the extreme low usage of Swift last week be related to this and be part of "a" plan?
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I thought I was the Super Swifter around here. Seriously though, I hope you're right. Been a believer a long time, but week 1 was a shock to the system.
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See, now I am going to feel bad benching him and watching him go off on Thursday
 
eighsse2 said:
zoonation said:
I think it is more likely that Penny comes in and dominates touches than Swift getting them. And I’m a Swift owner.
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That's what I think. Which will be really irritating, but that is honestly what I see happening.
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Swift isn’t a horse. Never has been. And without the receptions, which aren’t really part of the Philly game plan, what value does he have? They aren’t handing the ball to him 10+ times on Thursday. That will be Penny if Gainwell can’t go. In fact, I bet Scott gets more touches.
 
zoonation said:
eighsse2 said:
zoonation said:
I think it is more likely that Penny comes in and dominates touches than Swift getting them. And I’m a Swift owner.
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That's what I think. Which will be really irritating, but that is honestly what I see happening.
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Swift isn’t a horse. Never has been. And without the receptions, which aren’t really part of the Philly game plan, what value does he have? They aren’t handing the ball to him 10+ times on Thursday. That will be Penny if Gainwell can’t go. In fact, I bet Scott gets more touches.
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Not convinced that he can't be a workhorse. But I understand why that narrative exists. And it very well could be accurate. But sometimes trends are random.
 
I have no problem with the narrative that Swift isn't a workhorse. Where it breaks down for me is when it is cached in the framework that Penny somehow is.
 
Games played:
Swift 41 of 66 (64%)
Penny 42 of 87 (48%)

Career snaps played:
Swift - 1,351 (not including 19 last Sunday)
Penny - 792

Career touches:
Swift - 520
Penny - 364

Again, I am perfectly fine with saying Swift isn't built for a feature role but Penny is even less suited to that role.
 
Chaka said:
Games played:
Swift 41 of 66 (64%)
Penny 42 of 87 (48%)

Career snaps played:
Swift - 1,351 (not including 19 last Sunday)
Penny - 792

Career touches:
Swift - 520
Penny - 364

Again, I am perfectly fine with saying Swift isn't built for a feature role but Penny is even less suited to that role.
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will say this though, when Penny gets hurt - it's a doozy....so there's not a few questionable status weeks, it's he's in or he's done.
 
Largent said:
Chaka said:
Games played:
Swift 41 of 66 (64%)
Penny 42 of 87 (48%)

Career snaps played:
Swift - 1,351 (not including 19 last Sunday)
Penny - 792

Career touches:
Swift - 520
Penny - 364

Again, I am perfectly fine with saying Swift isn't built for a feature role but Penny is even less suited to that role.
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will say this though, when Penny gets hurt - it's a doozy....so there's not a few questionable status weeks, it's he's in or he's done.
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"On the plus side, his injuries are season ending."

:lmao:
 
Snotbubbles said:
Think Swift gets the lion share of touches on Thursday. Gainwell conveniently has rib issues so Penny will probably be active.
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I've been seeing alot of this, why would Swift just get all those carries and not Penny? Just curious. I feel like if Gainwell is out, Penny would be inserted and be the lead back with Swift staying in his receiver/scat/whatever Week 1 was with maybe a few more touches.
 
Gottabesweet said:
Snotbubbles said:
Think Swift gets the lion share of touches on Thursday. Gainwell conveniently has rib issues so Penny will probably be active.
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I've been seeing alot of this, why would Swift just get all those carries and not Penny? Just curious. I feel like if Gainwell is out, Penny would be inserted and be the lead back with Swift staying in his receiver/scat/whatever Week 1 was with maybe a few more touches.
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You should go read maybe the last 5 pages or so of the Penny thread. He's been discussed ad nauseum there.

Penny is a one-dimensional runner. He is zero threat out of the backfield to catch a pass. I can produce multiple quotes from Eagles coaches over the last few months about their desire to have backs who play a complete game where they can run them or throw to them to make it more difficult on defenses to disguise when they are going to run and when they are going to pass. Whatever plan the Eagles had for Gainwelll in the 2 minute offense, the 4 minute offense, goal line, 3rd and long should now go to Swift since he is a closer (and I think much more dynamic) representation of Gainwell's skill set. Throughout training camp, Gainwell and Swift were getting the majority of carries with the #1. Penny was working mostly with the 2s and 3s. Penny is a between the 20s, 1st and 2nd down runner. I find it hard to believe that with 3 days in between games, and only 2 practices, the Eagles would elevate Penny from running with the 2s and 3s all camp then being inactive in week 1, to getting a majority of the carries with the 1s when he hasn't done it all camp and Swift has and is available.

Post game, Sirianni said this about Swift: "I never want to come out of a game where D'Andre Swift has two touches."

This is what he said about Penny: "Who?" (This was just a joke, but I think you get the point)
 
Proteus said:
When I saw Hard Knocks last year, I got the distinct impression he kind of didn’t give a f. I’m beginning to think I was right, Det knew it, punted him to Philly, and now they’ve discovered it too.

Say it with me: Bum.
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um he had one target and one carry in week 1
 
Snotbubbles said:
Gottabesweet said:
Snotbubbles said:
Think Swift gets the lion share of touches on Thursday. Gainwell conveniently has rib issues so Penny will probably be active.
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I've been seeing alot of this, why would Swift just get all those carries and not Penny? Just curious. I feel like if Gainwell is out, Penny would be inserted and be the lead back with Swift staying in his receiver/scat/whatever Week 1 was with maybe a few more touches.
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You should go read maybe the last 5 pages or so of the Penny thread. He's been discussed ad nauseum there.

Penny is a one-dimensional runner. He is zero threat out of the backfield to catch a pass. I can produce multiple quotes from Eagles coaches over the last few months about their desire to have backs who play a complete game where they can run them or throw to them to make it more difficult on defenses to disguise when they are going to run and when they are going to pass. Whatever plan the Eagles had for Gainwelll in the 2 minute offense, the 4 minute offense, goal line, 3rd and long should now go to Swift since he is a closer (and I think much more dynamic) representation of Gainwell's skill set. Throughout training camp, Gainwell and Swift were getting the majority of carries with the #1. Penny was working mostly with the 2s and 3s. Penny is a between the 20s, 1st and 2nd down runner. I find it hard to believe that with 3 days in between games, and only 2 practices, the Eagles would elevate Penny from running with the 2s and 3s all camp then being inactive in week 1, to getting a majority of the carries with the 1s when he hasn't done it all camp and Swift has and is available.

Post game, Sirianni said this about Swift: "I never want to come out of a game where D'Andre Swift has two touches."

This is what he said about Penny: "Who?" (This was just a joke, but I think you get the point)
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You should listen to this guy @Gottabesweet , he's Pre-med.
 
Chaka said:
Snotbubbles said:
Gottabesweet said:
Snotbubbles said:
Think Swift gets the lion share of touches on Thursday. Gainwell conveniently has rib issues so Penny will probably be active.
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I've been seeing alot of this, why would Swift just get all those carries and not Penny? Just curious. I feel like if Gainwell is out, Penny would be inserted and be the lead back with Swift staying in his receiver/scat/whatever Week 1 was with maybe a few more touches.
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You should go read maybe the last 5 pages or so of the Penny thread. He's been discussed ad nauseum there.

Penny is a one-dimensional runner. He is zero threat out of the backfield to catch a pass. I can produce multiple quotes from Eagles coaches over the last few months about their desire to have backs who play a complete game where they can run them or throw to them to make it more difficult on defenses to disguise when they are going to run and when they are going to pass. Whatever plan the Eagles had for Gainwelll in the 2 minute offense, the 4 minute offense, goal line, 3rd and long should now go to Swift since he is a closer (and I think much more dynamic) representation of Gainwell's skill set. Throughout training camp, Gainwell and Swift were getting the majority of carries with the #1. Penny was working mostly with the 2s and 3s. Penny is a between the 20s, 1st and 2nd down runner. I find it hard to believe that with 3 days in between games, and only 2 practices, the Eagles would elevate Penny from running with the 2s and 3s all camp then being inactive in week 1, to getting a majority of the carries with the 1s when he hasn't done it all camp and Swift has and is available.

Post game, Sirianni said this about Swift: "I never want to come out of a game where D'Andre Swift has two touches."

This is what he said about Penny: "Who?" (This was just a joke, but I think you get the point)
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You should listen to this guy @Gottabesweet , he's Pre-med.
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Ha. I'm just trying to read the tea leaves with the information I have. In week 1, I thought Swift would have been the lead guy with sprinkles of Gainwell. I was thoroughly surprised with the distribution. It's very well possible that they give Penny the carries in week 2, this new OC at this point has me wondering. I guess that's a good thing because now other defenses have to gameplan for multiple styles. I always thought Gainwell was JAG, he doesn't impress me. Swift's second carry of the preseason, I was like, wow, I haven't seen a move like that since Shady.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Chaka said:
Snotbubbles said:
Gottabesweet said:
Snotbubbles said:
Think Swift gets the lion share of touches on Thursday. Gainwell conveniently has rib issues so Penny will probably be active.
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I've been seeing alot of this, why would Swift just get all those carries and not Penny? Just curious. I feel like if Gainwell is out, Penny would be inserted and be the lead back with Swift staying in his receiver/scat/whatever Week 1 was with maybe a few more touches.
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You should go read maybe the last 5 pages or so of the Penny thread. He's been discussed ad nauseum there.

Penny is a one-dimensional runner. He is zero threat out of the backfield to catch a pass. I can produce multiple quotes from Eagles coaches over the last few months about their desire to have backs who play a complete game where they can run them or throw to them to make it more difficult on defenses to disguise when they are going to run and when they are going to pass. Whatever plan the Eagles had for Gainwelll in the 2 minute offense, the 4 minute offense, goal line, 3rd and long should now go to Swift since he is a closer (and I think much more dynamic) representation of Gainwell's skill set. Throughout training camp, Gainwell and Swift were getting the majority of carries with the #1. Penny was working mostly with the 2s and 3s. Penny is a between the 20s, 1st and 2nd down runner. I find it hard to believe that with 3 days in between games, and only 2 practices, the Eagles would elevate Penny from running with the 2s and 3s all camp then being inactive in week 1, to getting a majority of the carries with the 1s when he hasn't done it all camp and Swift has and is available.

Post game, Sirianni said this about Swift: "I never want to come out of a game where D'Andre Swift has two touches."

This is what he said about Penny: "Who?" (This was just a joke, but I think you get the point)
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You should listen to this guy @Gottabesweet , he's Pre-med.
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Ha. I'm just trying to read the tea leaves with the information I have. In week 1, I thought Swift would have been the lead guy with sprinkles of Gainwell. I was thoroughly surprised with the distribution. It's very well possible that they give Penny the carries in week 2, this new OC at this point has me wondering. I guess that's a good thing because now other defenses have to gameplan for multiple styles. I always thought Gainwell was JAG, he doesn't impress me. Swift's second carry of the preseason, I was like, wow, I haven't seen a move like that since Shady.
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Don't be modest. You were well ahead of the curve on Gainwell.
 
Largent said:
Chaka said:
Games played:
Swift 41 of 66 (64%)
Penny 42 of 87 (48%)

Career snaps played:
Swift - 1,351 (not including 19 last Sunday)
Penny - 792

Career touches:
Swift - 520
Penny - 364

Again, I am perfectly fine with saying Swift isn't built for a feature role but Penny is even less suited to that role.
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will say this though, when Penny gets hurt - it's a doozy....so there's not a few questionable status weeks, it's he's in or he's done.
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Decided to check this.

Games played with 5 or fewer touches:
Swift - 4
Penny - 12 (7 after his rookie year)

A lot of us have fond memories of Penny because we were able to capture some part of his moments of glory. But something is very wrong when you miss so much time that you make D'Andre Swift look like Walter Payton* by comparison




*Sweetness holds the record for most consecutive starts by a RB at 170
 
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