RB D’Andre Swift, CHI (1 Viewer)

[Pip's Invitation]

As I've been saying:

(FantasyPros) The Eagles have listed all four RBs as starters on their final depth chart. Analysis: What the Eagles are planning on doing at the RB position has been a big question mark all offseason, and it looks like we aren't going to get much clarity before the season begins. The team is listing all four RBs on the active roster as starters, which probably means we'll see a committee approach as opposed to someone having a bellcow role. For fantasy purposes, this makes all of these guys, most notably D'Andre Swift and Rashaad Penny, risky options to start until we figure out how this backfield will shake out.

 

[JAA]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

 

[Big Nate]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

 

[JAA]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

 

[eighsse2]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

That is my hope.

 

[Big Nate]

I think I read the Eagles listed all 4 as starters. Good luck this year everyone rostering Eagle RBs. 2-way committee we could probably figure out but if all 4 are starting this is a mess.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am predicting this is one of the weeks you have to start him. He breaks off a monster gain. 123 total yards and a touchdown, maybe a second one if the Pats keep it close.

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

 

[Wildcat]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

 

[eighsse2]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

I don't know about blocks, but "grit" definitely sounds like something that they perceived him to lack. We all know the kind of guys Dan Campbell wants.

 

[msudaisy26]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

During hard knocks last year there was the coaches yelling at him for not going for what was blocked and constantly trying to bounce everything outside.

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

Just from watching almost every play since 2020. Gets yanked after every missed block or bad run decision. He’s better at slow developing runs which is good for Philly. Not sure he will be used much in the 4 minute offense but we’ll see.

 

[pollardsvision]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

Yeah, I'm okay being wrong by sitting this situation out.

Miles Sanders bucked the Philly RB trend and had 250 carries last year. Absolutely fantastic season. Even somehow got double digit TD's in the tush-push era. Still, in a little over half his games, he essentially gave you nothing.
And GB you if you could have figured out which games those were going to be.
Sanders managers probably lost more games chasing the good ones than they won with the good ones.

I don't discount the narrative that Sanders was just such a horrible pass catcher and that's why Jalen didnt throw to RB's. And so they seek out Swift and boom, Jalen starts throwing to RB's. Maybe that's it. Although, Doug Pederson isn't an idiot and he threw to Sanders. He didn't have Brown, Smith, and a running QB either, which brings us back to square one.

Philly is in the same boat as NE with me. Just not doing it. I won a title the year Belichick lost his mind and let Corey Dillon run wild. He never did it again (tempting folks with Rhamondre this year just to bring in Zeke for fun).

Godspeed Swifty's. I wish you the best. I just don't have the stones to be one of you.

 

[eighsse2]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

Just from watching almost every play since 2020. Gets yanked after every missed block or bad run decision. He’s better at slow developing runs which is good for Philly. Not sure he will be used much in the 4 minute offense but we’ll see.

Yeah I didn't watch hard knocks but I remember debates on this board about "he totally missed the hole" vs "but he got 17 yards" vs "but he missed the hole".

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

Just from watching almost every play since 2020. Gets yanked after every missed block or bad run decision. He’s better at slow developing runs which is good for Philly. Not sure he will be used much in the 4 minute offense but we’ll see.

Yeah I didn't watch hard knocks but I remember debates on this board about "he totally missed the hole" vs "but he got 17 yards" vs "but he missed the hole".

A golfer can bomb a drive, hit a tree and end up in the fairway, yet no one with knowledge of the sport would say it’s a good shot

 

[eighsse2]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

Just from watching almost every play since 2020. Gets yanked after every missed block or bad run decision. He’s better at slow developing runs which is good for Philly. Not sure he will be used much in the 4 minute offense but we’ll see.

Yeah I didn't watch hard knocks but I remember debates on this board about "he totally missed the hole" vs "but he got 17 yards" vs "but he missed the hole".

A golfer can bomb a drive, hit a tree and end up in the fairway, yet no one with knowledge of the sport would say it’s a good shot

True, not a bad analogy, but I feel it's a bit different when Swift is the one weaving around to make it a great play, while the golf shot uses total blind luck.

 

[GibbsFreeEnergy]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

Just from watching almost every play since 2020. Gets yanked after every missed block or bad run decision. He’s better at slow developing runs which is good for Philly. Not sure he will be used much in the 4 minute offense but we’ll see.

Yeah I didn't watch hard knocks but I remember debates on this board about "he totally missed the hole" vs "but he got 17 yards" vs "but he missed the hole".

A golfer can bomb a drive, hit a tree and end up in the fairway, yet no one with knowledge of the sport would say it’s a good shot

True, not a bad analogy, but I feel it's a bit different when Swift is the one weaving around to make it a great play, while the golf shot uses total blind luck.

I remember more of Swifts 4 yard runs that should have been 15 or housed.

 

[eighsse2]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

Just from watching almost every play since 2020. Gets yanked after every missed block or bad run decision. He’s better at slow developing runs which is good for Philly. Not sure he will be used much in the 4 minute offense but we’ll see.

Yeah I didn't watch hard knocks but I remember debates on this board about "he totally missed the hole" vs "but he got 17 yards" vs "but he missed the hole".

A golfer can bomb a drive, hit a tree and end up in the fairway, yet no one with knowledge of the sport would say it’s a good shot

True, not a bad analogy, but I feel it's a bit different when Swift is the one weaving around to make it a great play, while the golf shot uses total blind luck.

I remember more of Swifts 4 yard runs that should have been 15 or housed.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that, as I don't really have "football eyes" or x's and o's IQ.

 

[Banger]

I have no idea how this backfield will end up but this offense is so good that I want to get a piece of it. I think it’s most likely that this will be a committee backfield when guys prob won’t get you a zero but the big days will rotate.

 

[jon_mx]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

During hard knocks last year there was the coaches yelling at him for not going for what was blocked and constantly trying to bounce everything outside.

And there was evidence when he was healthy, Jamaal was still the work horse and Swift was barely used.

 

[unckeyherb]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

Just food for thought, last years carries:

Sanders-259
Scott-54
Gainwell-53

 

[eighsse2]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

Just food for thought, last years carries:

Sanders-259
Scott-54
Gainwell-53

Please, unckeyherb, don't disturb our echo chamber.

 

[unckeyherb]

Im a big swift fan. I think our iggles are just what the dr ordered for his season with sharing the load. I like 700/700 with 12 total TDs.

the problem is that these numbers will come in bunches. I hope I’m wrong, but no way will we get any sort of consistency from Swift. Too many options and mouths to feed in the Philly offense.

I believe swift is an excellent talent. His issue is staying healthy. Im optimistic with him being spelled he will come out on top. I do get your point though.

His biggest issue is missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things detail orientated coaches like Dan Campbell like to see. He’ll fit in well in a zone read offense, but then his durability and consistency will eventually get on Siriannis nerves

Do you have any evidence of the "missing assignments and blocks, grit, and things"? An article or two? There is evidence of his missing time due to injuries, but I have not heard of the other items you listed as knocks against him.

During hard knocks last year there was the coaches yelling at him for not going for what was blocked and constantly trying to bounce everything outside.

Fwiw that plays to the strength of this Oline and what they want to do. They like dipping Kelce under the tackle and getting him in front of the RB as he can get up the field quickly. Mailata and Johnson are very athletic and can get downfield as well.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

Just food for thought, last years carries:

Sanders-259
Scott-54
Gainwell-53

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

Playoff carries:
Sanders-35
Scott-15
Gainwell-33

The Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice last season and are trying to get him more involved in the gameplan this year. I think he'll easily double his output from last season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

Just food for thought, last years carries:

Sanders-259
Scott-54
Gainwell-53

Please, unckeyherb, don't disturb our echo chamber.

I’ve found those that are ignorant about Swift wear it as a badge of pride and won’t back down even when presented with factual evidence.

 

[unckeyherb]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

Just food for thought, last years carries:

Sanders-259
Scott-54
Gainwell-53

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

Playoff carries:
Sanders-35
Scott-15
Gainwell-33

The Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice last season and are trying to get him more involved in the gameplan this year. I think he'll easily double his output from last season.

Not ignoring anything. I think they finally came to the realization that Sanders just wasn't that great-as evidenced by them letting him walk in FA. My point was that during the regular season they absolutely were not a RBBC and historically the Eagles have leaned on one RB (think Shady and B-West). And sure, Gainwell could/should double his output, but that would still only be 106 carries. I just think that Swift is a substantially better runner and certainly a better receiver. I like Gainwell, but he doesn't do anything that Swift can't do and Swift is way more electric.

No one has a crystal ball. In Indy, Sirriani ran Mack more than double the next guy in 2018, in 2019, Mack had 247 carries to Hines' 52 and in 2020, Taylor ran 232 times compared to Hines' 89 carries. Again, I just don't see any historical data that suggests the Eagles or Sirriani want to go RBBC. I could certainly be wrong, but I think its Swift that will be out there the bulk of time.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo

Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.

The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.

This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs. Last year they used Sanders and Gainwell AND Scott.

This year probably more of the same with Penny, Gainwell, Swift and Scott. If all 4 are healthy it could be a mess week to week. I think all 4 are talented and can bring their own unique talents but will they be useable week in and week out? Not sure.

Just food for thought, last years carries:

Sanders-259
Scott-54
Gainwell-53

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

Playoff carries:
Sanders-35
Scott-15
Gainwell-33

The Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice last season and are trying to get him more involved in the gameplan this year. I think he'll easily double his output from last season.

Not ignoring anything. I think they finally came to the realization that Sanders just wasn't that great-as evidenced by them letting him walk in FA. My point was that during the regular season they absolutely were not a RBBC and historically the Eagles have leaned on one RB (think Shady and B-West). And sure, Gainwell could/should double his output, but that would still only be 106 carries. I just think that Swift is a substantially better runner and certainly a better receiver. I like Gainwell, but he doesn't do anything that Swift can't do and Swift is way more electric.

No one has a crystal ball. In Indy, Sirriani ran Mack more than double the next guy in 2018, in 2019, Mack had 247 carries to Hines' 52 and in 2020, Taylor ran 232 times compared to Hines' 89 carries. Again, I just don't see any historical data that suggests the Eagles or Sirriani want to go RBBC. I could certainly be wrong, but I think its Swift that will be out there the bulk of time.

The problem with the entire Eagles running back room is that none of them have ever carried the ball much. Swift career high carries is 151, Penny is 119, Scott is 87, and Gainwell is 68. I don't disagree with you that IMO, Swift appears to be the most talented, versatile back of the bunch. He also, can't stay healthy enough to be a bell cow. I said this in the Penny thread about his health, I'll say the same thing here. When a guy shows you who he is, you should believe him. Swift has shown you that he can't stay healthy.

My educated guess on the season will be, they'll use Swift a bunch early with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up. They'll then dress Penny in place of Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Penny get dinged up. Then they'll go with Gainwell with Boston Scott sprinkled in until Swift is ready again. Then they'll go back to Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up again. It will be an endless cycle of Swift and Penny getting dinged up with Gainwell being sprinkled in and sometimes used as the lead.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I still believe they acquired both Swift and Penny with the thinking that between them, they would get one player's worth of games. And if they got lucky, both available for the playoffs.

 

[Chaka]

I think you are bang on with your last sentence. Eagles have always been RBBC and I think it stays true this year. The frustrating part is they will use all 3 backs.

I see this refrain a lot.

Last year Sanders had 285 rushes+targets, Scott & Gainwell had 142. That's 67% of the RB opportunities for Sanders.

It wasn't an RBBC at all.

 

[Chaka]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

 

[unckeyherb]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

I honestly think this is the biggest reason that everyone is so high on Gainwell. Talking to people here in Philly, anytime someone talks up Gainwell they specifically point to that game as evidence of how good he can be.

 

[Chaka]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I think you're reading way too much into the playoffs.

Gainwell had one good game (a game where Sanders was also excellent), immediately turned into a pumpkin the following week and then the RBs were mostly abandoned in the Super Bowl.

You can call it a playoff timeshare but it also looked a lot like changing gameplans.

For a guy who was being raved about all year it simply didn't translate to the field.

 

[Chaka]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

I honestly think this is the biggest reason that everyone is so high on Gainwell. Talking to people here in Philly, anytime someone talks up Gainwell they specifically point to that game as evidence of how good he can be.

I believe it.

And Sanders went 17-90 (5.3 ypc) in the same game. It simply looked like the Eagles recognized they were dominating the Loss and didn't want to risk giving Sanders 30 touches.

 

[Chaka]

To be fair, Gainwell seems to be getting a ton of positive press this off season and we really have no idea what to expect from the Eagles RBs this season.

I think the plan is for Swift to be the lead back but would not be at all surprised if his share was a lot closer to 50% instead of the 67% Sanders got last year.

Swift seems like the kind of back that needs to be on a snap count.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I think you're reading way too much into the playoffs.

Gainwell had one good game (a game where Sanders was also excellent), immediately turned into a pumpkin the following week and then the RBs were mostly abandoned in the Super Bowl.

You can call it a playoff timeshare but it also looked a lot like changing gameplans.

For a guy who was being raved about all year it simply didn't translate to the field.

Here's some more information for you then. The Eagles have been using Gainwell with the first team offense in camp for 3rd downs and goal line packages. They have every intention to use him in their game plan this season.

 

[unckeyherb]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I don't know man. Picking up at the end of the season...(italicized games, Hurts was out so presumably they'd be relying on the run game MORE).

Week 15 vs Chicago-Miles: 11 carries, Gainwell-3 carries
Week 16 vs Dallas-Miles: 21 carries, Gainwell: 4 carries
Week 17 vs NO-Miles: 16 carries, Gainwell: 0 carries
Week 18 vs Giants-Miles: 11 carries, Gainwell 5 carries

So in the last four games of the year, 3 of which, Minshew was the starter, Sanders carried 59 times versus Gainwell carrying 12 times.

Divisional Round against Giants-Miles: 17 carries, Gainwell: 12 carries. This game was over at halftime with the Eagles up 28-0. Gainwell had only 3 carries in the first half. Miles only had 2 in the first drive of the third quarter and then 2 in the first drive of the fourth.

Conference Championship against SF: Miles 14 carries, Gainwell: 14 carries. This game was also clearly over early. Gainwell had 1 carry for 0 yards in the first quarter and 2 carries in the second quarter. He didn't touch the ball again until SF was forced to put Brock Purdy back in the game and in the fourth quarter, with SF sporting McCaffery at QB Gainwell carried the ball 8 times in a row.

Super Bowl: Miles: 7 carries, Gainwell: 7 carries. This is the only outlier game where Gainwell got some meaningful work alongside Miles, but don't forget, Miles fumbled out of bounds on the second play of the game and they barely ran the ball trying to keep up with KC.

This myth that the coaching staff suddenly became enamored with Gainwell is totally false. The game logs show it. He got almost no meaningful carries in the last seven games of the season and I don't see it changing this year with a BETTER RB than last year starting ahead of him.

 

[Chaka]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I think you're reading way too much into the playoffs.

Gainwell had one good game (a game where Sanders was also excellent), immediately turned into a pumpkin the following week and then the RBs were mostly abandoned in the Super Bowl.

You can call it a playoff timeshare but it also looked a lot like changing gameplans.

For a guy who was being raved about all year it simply didn't translate to the field.

Here's some more information for you then. The Eagles have been using Gainwell with the first team offense in camp for 3rd downs and goal line packages. They have every intention to use him in their game plan this season.

Oh I, have heard and commented as much.

To be fair, Gainwell seems to be getting a ton of positive press this off season and we really have no idea what to expect from the Eagles RBs this season.

I think the plan is for Swift to be the lead back but would not be at all surprised if his share was a lot closer to 50% instead of the 67% Sanders got last year.

Swift seems like the kind of back that needs to be on a snap count.

But, to this point I think it is reasonable to say that Swift has shown worlds more as an NFL player than Gainwell. And the Eagles seem eager to have him on the roster considering they were willing to trade for him rather than lose him to another team.

Swift doesn't seem built to be a 285 touch guy so I am certain Gainwell and Scott & Penny will factor in to the offense. But, isn't the smart money on Swift to lead this backfield (obviously while healthy)?

What do you predict Gainwell's usage to be per game? 10 opportunities? More? Would you draft him ahead of Swift?

 

[LawFitz]

I've heard Gainwell is the 2-min and 4-min offense back, and that is when he was featured in camp with the ones.

Same beat said he expected Swift to be featured on passing downs and Penny at the goal line - otherwise he was expecting a hot-hand situation between those two in other phases.

Take or leave, but the above sounded way more sensical to me than anything else. We'll see what's what soon enough.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I don't know man. Picking up at the end of the season...(italicized games, Hurts was out so presumably they'd be relying on the run game MORE).

Week 15 vs Chicago-Miles: 11 carries, Gainwell-3 carries
Week 16 vs Dallas-Miles: 21 carries, Gainwell: 4 carries
Week 17 vs NO-Miles: 16 carries, Gainwell: 0 carries
Week 18 vs Giants-Miles: 11 carries, Gainwell 5 carries

So in the last four games of the year, 3 of which, Minshew was the starter, Sanders carried 59 times versus Gainwell carrying 12 times.

Divisional Round against Giants-Miles: 17 carries, Gainwell: 12 carries. This game was over at halftime with the Eagles up 28-0. Gainwell had only 3 carries in the first half. Miles only had 2 in the first drive of the third quarter and then 2 in the first drive of the fourth.

Conference Championship against SF: Miles 14 carries, Gainwell: 14 carries. This game was also clearly over early. Gainwell had 1 carry for 0 yards in the first quarter and 2 carries in the second quarter. He didn't touch the ball again until SF was forced to put Brock Purdy back in the game and in the fourth quarter, with SF sporting McCaffery at QB Gainwell carried the ball 8 times in a row.

Super Bowl: Miles: 7 carries, Gainwell: 7 carries. This is the only outlier game where Gainwell got some meaningful work alongside Miles, but don't forget, Miles fumbled out of bounds on the second play of the game and they barely ran the ball trying to keep up with KC.

This myth that the coaching staff suddenly became enamored with Gainwell is totally false. The game logs show it. He got almost no meaningful carries in the last seven games of the season and I don't see it changing this year with a BETTER RB than last year starting ahead of him.

You aren't reading anything I wrote, You're just running with some myth and arguing just to argue. I wrote that the Eagles coaches loved what Gainwell was doing in practice and then in the playoffs gave him the same amount of carries as Sanders which he did well with. Now, in camp they have him working with the 1s on specialty groups like 3rd down and goal line. I already posted what I believe is going to happen with the Eagles above these posts. Swift will get carries with Gainwell sprinkled in until Swift gets hurt and then Penny will get the carries with Gainwell sprinkled in until Penny gets hurt. Then Gainwell will get the carries with Scott sprinkled in until Swift can carry the load again. I will be shocked if any Eagles running back gets 200 carries this season. I also thing Gainwell will at a minimum double his carry total from last season.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I think you're reading way too much into the playoffs.

Gainwell had one good game (a game where Sanders was also excellent), immediately turned into a pumpkin the following week and then the RBs were mostly abandoned in the Super Bowl.

You can call it a playoff timeshare but it also looked a lot like changing gameplans.

For a guy who was being raved about all year it simply didn't translate to the field.

Here's some more information for you then. The Eagles have been using Gainwell with the first team offense in camp for 3rd downs and goal line packages. They have every intention to use him in their game plan this season.

Oh I, have heard and commented as much.

To be fair, Gainwell seems to be getting a ton of positive press this off season and we really have no idea what to expect from the Eagles RBs this season.

I think the plan is for Swift to be the lead back but would not be at all surprised if his share was a lot closer to 50% instead of the 67% Sanders got last year.

Swift seems like the kind of back that needs to be on a snap count.

But, to this point I think it is reasonable to say that Swift has shown worlds more as an NFL player than Gainwell. And the Eagles seem eager to have him on the roster considering they were willing to trade for him rather than lose him to another team.

Swift doesn't seem built to be a 285 touch guy so I am certain Gainwell and Scott & Penny will factor in to the offense. But, isn't the smart money on Swift to lead this backfield (obviously while healthy)?

What do you predict Gainwell's usage to be per game? 10 opportunities? More? Would you draft him ahead of Swift?

I posted above:

My educated guess on the season will be, they'll use Swift a bunch early with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up. They'll then dress Penny in place of Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Penny get dinged up. Then they'll go with Gainwell with Boston Scott sprinkled in until Swift is ready again. Then they'll go back to Swift with Gainwell sprinkled in. Swift will get dinged up again. It will be an endless cycle of Swift and Penny getting dinged up with Gainwell being sprinkled in and sometimes used as the lead.

If I had to guess on distribution I'd think something like this:

Swift: 150-175 carries, 50-55 receptions
Gainwell: 100-125 carries and 30-35 receptions.
Penny: 75-100 carries and 5 receptions
Scott: 50 carries and 5 receptions

 

[unckeyherb]

Your post ignores the fact that Gainwell came on strong at the end of the year and was splitting carries with Sanders by the end.

He was?

In the last 6 games of the regular season Gainwell averaged 2.5 carries & 2.3 targets.

Sanders had 13.7 & 1.3.

Gainwell had an amazing game vs the Giants in the playoffs with 112 yards on 12 carries. He was the best RB that game. He followed that up with 67 yards on 21 carries over the next two games.

He was literally a non factor in 19 of 20 games.

Yes. Throughout the year, local beat writers kept saying that the Eagles coaches were raving about Gainwell in practice. Then, by the playoffs, he was splitting carries with Sanders. So his coming on isn't a stat thing that you can see, it's a work habits, doing good things in practice thing.

I don't know man. Picking up at the end of the season...(italicized games, Hurts was out so presumably they'd be relying on the run game MORE).

Week 15 vs Chicago-Miles: 11 carries, Gainwell-3 carries
Week 16 vs Dallas-Miles: 21 carries, Gainwell: 4 carries
Week 17 vs NO-Miles: 16 carries, Gainwell: 0 carries
Week 18 vs Giants-Miles: 11 carries, Gainwell 5 carries

So in the last four games of the year, 3 of which, Minshew was the starter, Sanders carried 59 times versus Gainwell carrying 12 times.

Divisional Round against Giants-Miles: 17 carries, Gainwell: 12 carries. This game was over at halftime with the Eagles up 28-0. Gainwell had only 3 carries in the first half. Miles only had 2 in the first drive of the third quarter and then 2 in the first drive of the fourth.

Conference Championship against SF: Miles 14 carries, Gainwell: 14 carries. This game was also clearly over early. Gainwell had 1 carry for 0 yards in the first quarter and 2 carries in the second quarter. He didn't touch the ball again until SF was forced to put Brock Purdy back in the game and in the fourth quarter, with SF sporting McCaffery at QB Gainwell carried the ball 8 times in a row.

Super Bowl: Miles: 7 carries, Gainwell: 7 carries. This is the only outlier game where Gainwell got some meaningful work alongside Miles, but don't forget, Miles fumbled out of bounds on the second play of the game and they barely ran the ball trying to keep up with KC.

This myth that the coaching staff suddenly became enamored with Gainwell is totally false. The game logs show it. He got almost no meaningful carries in the last seven games of the season and I don't see it changing this year with a BETTER RB than last year starting ahead of him.

You aren't reading anything I wrote, You're just running with some myth and arguing just to argue. I wrote that the Eagles coaches loved what Gainwell was doing in practice and then in the playoffs gave him the same amount of carries as Sanders which he did well with. Now, in camp they have him working with the 1s on specialty groups like 3rd down and goal line. I already posted what I believe is going to happen with the Eagles above these posts. Swift will get carries with Gainwell sprinkled in until Swift gets hurt and then Penny will get the carries with Gainwell sprinkled in until Penny gets hurt. Then Gainwell will get the carries with Scott sprinkled in until Swift can carry the load again. I will be shocked if any Eagles running back gets 200 carries this season. I also thing Gainwell will at a minimum double his carry total from last season.

I’m not arguing at all. I’m pointing out that what you posted-and what I’ve heard from a lot of people is technically correct but without context. He was not given any meaningful carries until the games were out of hand. That’s not indicative of the coaches loving what he was doing in practice and it translating to anything. It’s indicative of them blowing teams out and giving the ball to the backup so the starter stays fresh in the playoffs, nothing more. If you think his 8 straight carries against SF in the fourth quarter of a blow out is a predictor of good things to come, ok, I disagree. And yes I agree he’ll probably get more work this year than last, but like I said, if he doubles his carries he’s at 100.

We can agree to disagree. My whole point has been to push back on the notion that
A. The Eagles traditionally want a RBBC. They don't.
B. The offense that Sirriani specifically wants to run is a RBBC. It's not.
C. That this staff last year was so impressed with him (Gainwell) in practice that they had him split work with Sanders in some meaningful way. They didn't.

All three of those points are provably incorrect based on past seasons and actually looking at the games.

Totally admit Swift could pull a hammy week one and Gainwell takes the job and never looks back. If everyone remains healthy, Swift, IMO will have his best season to date and Gainwell will touch the ball approximately 20% to that of Swift.

Just my opinion

 

[Chaka]

I wrote that the Eagles coaches loved what Gainwell was doing in practice and then in the playoffs gave him the same amount of carries as Sanders which he did well with

I read what you wrote but with respect to last season only I think you are trying to make the data fit your hypothesis.

The RBs ran the ball 35 times against the Giants because they were incredibly effective and 44 times against the 49ers because the Niners had no offense to speak of and the Eagles were able to control the clock. I think it is realistic to suggest that the workload distribution was based upon controlling those games, which were never in doubt, and they didn't want/need to overuse one RB.

Against the Chiefs the RBs had 18 carries because the Eagles put the ball in Hurts' hands to try and win that game.

I don't think we can make any conclusions about usage/intent based on that while simply ignoring the 17 games that preceded the playoffs.

 

[ericttspikes]

Swift practicing with the wideouts this morning.

https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/1699802347973591320

 

[zamboni]

Swift practicing with the wideouts this morning.

https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/1699802347973591320

Weird seeing him with a number 0 on his uniform. So used to seeing a 32 go down in pain.

 

[eighsse2]

Swift practicing with the wideouts this morning.

https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/1699802347973591320

Always nice to see, but who knows if this is a good sign or means absolutely nothing.

 

[eighsse2]

Swift practicing with the wideouts this morning.

https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/1699802347973591320

Weird seeing him with a number 0 on his uniform. So used to seeing a 32 go down in pain.

That's why he changed. He had 32 injuries each of his first 3 seasons.

 

[need2know]

Would be cool if ended up playing some slot wr

 

[unckeyherb]

Would be cool if ended up playing some slot wr

ESP on 94.1 has said throughout training camp that he has been lining up as a WR often.