Insein
Footballguy
He did in mine as well. He was very highly rated last year. Didn't work out.
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RB D’Andre Swift, CHI (2 Viewers)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah, but he’s not a Lion anymore. That’s a huge blow to his ego.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That’s surprising. He went in Round 3 in my 14 team league last year - didn’t think he was sniffing round 1, but guess my recollection is off and all leagues are different
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Vikings that won the division last season?
7-1 without him...7-4 with him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not sure he directly made them worse, but I guess it’s factual.
Swift is not a bad play this year. It is a contract year, so if he wants a big payday he needs to have a big year. He is in a great situation and maybe the change of scenery and second chance will help.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Anyway, back to Swift. Very curious how this Philly backfield shakes out, not least as I do have Swift on my one team this year. Is it Gainwell with Swift more a third down type of back? Who get's used at the goalline? Penny? Bit of a mystery but I like the idea of teams being afraid of Hurts and Swift taking dump offs 40 yards.
eighsse2
Footballguy
It is very odd to think of Gainwell taking the primary work and another (Swift) taking the receiving job, since Gainwell was touted as a receiving back coming into the league. Things are probably not nearly as black-and-white as they sound. I hear of a rookie coming out of college being talked up as a "receiving back" and my ears hear Kamara or Sproles. Ability and usage can be very different things.
Insein
Footballguy
People thought he'd be a PPR monster.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I think it's a committee while all 3 are healthy with Penny receiving the fewest snaps.
The money will be made when one comes down with an injury. Then there is real opportunity for 15-20 touchers for a single back and in that instance I like Swift because of his big play ability, but really any of these three backs getting a large volume of touches are a fantasy RB2 IMHO and maybe a RB 1 depending on circumstances.
The money will be made when one comes down with an injury. Then there is real opportunity for 15-20 touchers for a single back and in that instance I like Swift because of his big play ability, but really any of these three backs getting a large volume of touches are a fantasy RB2 IMHO and maybe a RB 1 depending on circumstances.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I went zero RB strategy in my main draft and got both Swift and Gainwell, so I’m on board for this group think.
I still believe swift is an Uber talent if he can be unleashed and stay healthy, and everyone could be sleeping on his ADP if I’m right about that.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Uber capitalized ... I hope he doesn't have to become an Uber talent anytime soon ...
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Crowded backfield with a mobile QB, not a swift and easy path.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Thanks for throwing in your two pennys, we can gain well from everyone's input. BOSTON SCOTT.
Chaka
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You also don't want to swiftly step over dollars to pick up penny's do you?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Swift and Penny will make a fantastic combo. Gainwell will be sprinkled in as a clear third IMO. He is a poor man's Swift in term's of skillset. He has nothing on Penny's role IMO. We'll see what's what next few weeks, but ultimately, it'll be hit or miss with even the top two thanks to Jalen Hurtsing the rush TDs.
I have a share of Penny for a penny and will give it a few weeks to sort out. Or maybe one week if you guys are proven correct and Penny is actually behind Gainwell when the real begins.
I have a share of Penny for a penny and will give it a few weeks to sort out. Or maybe one week if you guys are proven correct and Penny is actually behind Gainwell when the real begins.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I tried to sell myself on Gainwell and couldn't do it.
If Swift and Penny do simultaneously land on the injury report, then i think Philly starts looking at bringing in additional bodies at RB but Gainwell cannot handle even a half load on the ground although he is a decent receiver out of the backfield for them.
Chaka
Footballguy
I agree for the most part and it's unlikely that both of them remain on my roster. But at the beginning of the season, while we're still watching things unfold, it's not a bad idea to stake a modest investment in a potentially high scoring backfield .
eighsse2
Footballguy
I'm not good at finding the more intricate fantasy-related stats. I feel like, just based on perception, "career PPR points per opportunity (i.e., rush attempts + targets)" is a number that might be tremenous for Swift among RB's. Like top 5 among active RB's with at least a decent sample size, maybe? But like I said, I don't really know where to access a list like that.
I truly believe health and usage are the only things keeping him from being a monster.
The guy has missed 3 games each season. That is not actually all that impactful. It's the games that he starts and gets 4 carries and 2 targets because he's not 100% that hurt more. And I still don't know what to believe about the games that went like that last year. Possible reasons include:
- Coach staff worried that too much work would pose too much injury risk
- Swift would take himself out of the game due to pain or complain about getting too much work (this is the one that was apparently suggested by Staley that I just have trouble believing)
- "Halfway in the doghouse" with the coaching staff, for any number of unknown reasons
My optimistic outlook is that the latter was the primary reason, that a fresh start with a fresh team and a fresh coaching staff will go more smoothly. They will try all the backs early on. Swift's performance will repeated blow people away. They'll say "we're idiots if we don't use this guy 15 times a game minimum".
If this isn't the year, I'm probably finally selling.
I truly believe health and usage are the only things keeping him from being a monster.
The guy has missed 3 games each season. That is not actually all that impactful. It's the games that he starts and gets 4 carries and 2 targets because he's not 100% that hurt more. And I still don't know what to believe about the games that went like that last year. Possible reasons include:
- Coach staff worried that too much work would pose too much injury risk
- Swift would take himself out of the game due to pain or complain about getting too much work (this is the one that was apparently suggested by Staley that I just have trouble believing)
- "Halfway in the doghouse" with the coaching staff, for any number of unknown reasons
My optimistic outlook is that the latter was the primary reason, that a fresh start with a fresh team and a fresh coaching staff will go more smoothly. They will try all the backs early on. Swift's performance will repeated blow people away. They'll say "we're idiots if we don't use this guy 15 times a game minimum".
If this isn't the year, I'm probably finally selling.
Largent
Footballguy
Drafted JT in the 5th last week, pre trade deadline. As soon as the Colts announced no trade, was offered Swift straight up. Countered with Swift/Kamara for JT/DHarris. So for now, Swift is my 2B (Javonte 2A).
I've asked a few Eagle diehards I know, and they all say Swift is the RB1 on the team. I think we're all hand wringing over the past. We shall see.
I've asked a few Eagle diehards I know, and they all say Swift is the RB1 on the team. I think we're all hand wringing over the past. We shall see.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Penny was fourth in the preseason snap count pecking order, only edging out Sermon. Gainwell and Swift saw much more action with the first team.
I think Penny is the clear backup to Swift with Gainwell being the change of pace/pass catcher.
Proteus
Footballguy
So, no surprises here, but the target rate to RBs in Philly was low last year.
But is it possible, or has it been reported anywhere, that it's something the team wants to increase? It would make some sense, especially if they want to protect their gazillion dollar signing at QB from getting hammered too much.
No one seems to be speculating in this way, they're just saying "Philly doesn't throw to RBs," devaluing Swift, and moving on.
But is it possible, or has it been reported anywhere, that it's something the team wants to increase? It would make some sense, especially if they want to protect their gazillion dollar signing at QB from getting hammered too much.
No one seems to be speculating in this way, they're just saying "Philly doesn't throw to RBs," devaluing Swift, and moving on.
Insein
Footballguy
The team definitely wants to increase it. The beat writers mentioned several times in camp that they want to get the screen game going again like the McCoy and Westbrook days. The issue was Sanders wasn't a very good catcher. So they just fed him the ball on the ground.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Wouldn't say i'm bullish but i'm definitely optimistic that Swift will pay back the middle round investment.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Yeah. Like I said above. He feels dirt cheap as compared to last year in what could be a similar situation. If for whatever reason he stays healthy and pops for the Eagles, it’s middle round gold.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Just can't put my finger on this RB situation. My gut says Gainwell isn't even worth a roster spot. He just seems like one of those guys we read hype pieces and we hold. We hold. We hold all year and it basically results in a wasted roster spot. Eagles had about 380 rushing attempts for the RB position. I was surprised to see Miles had a super majority of them. His 259 dwarfs the next closest RB with 54. Kinda interesting. I like Penny. I like Swift. Swift is going 30ish RB. Penny is going 40ish RB. I guess if I was head coach knowing history of both back I'd keep Penny to 150 total carries max and give Swift as much as he can handle. Say 15 a game. I think I like Swift at his draft capital and I'd pass on Penny at his. Imo
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Eagles coaches raved about Gainwell in practice all season but he didn't play much. Then in the playoffs he got some garbage time carries and did well with them. Then the next game he got more carries than Sanders. Then in the Superbowl they split carries. So something happened in the playoffs that the coaching staff got comfortable using Gainwell. Then in camp the reports were that he was with the 1s getting most of the specialty group carries. So I'm not projecting Gainwell to get 200 carries, but doubling his carries from last season is probably a safe bet.
The reports are that Swift is being split out as a receiver so I think we may see more screens and formations where Gainwell and Swift are out there at the same time with Swift then being split out. Instead of doing WR screens, they may have Swift getting those out in space.
This is going to be a true RBBC unless one person really shines and just earns the bell cow work or there is an injury.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Historically the Eagles absolutely throw to RBs. Westbrook was a monster in pot leagues as was Shady. Those were under Andy but everything I’ve heard out of TC is that they are running screens much more than the last few years. I think this is more due to the fact that Mikes wasn’t really a good receiver. Swift is a phenomenal receiver and they’ve lining him up in routes, not just bubble screens out of the back field. I said earlier I could see him getting 75+ catches. That’s where his value lies.
this is what I believe. I've quietly added Swift to several of my teams this year. Paying RB2 prices for what I think will be a low end RB1 (don't think he's likely to see a high TD total with Hurts vultering an above average QB share of short yardage TDs)
Downside is a lower end RB2
need2know
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
with that kind of workload we expect Penny to not see many snaps?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Unless the Eagles plan on dressing 4 running backs (doubtful) I'd be surprised if he dresses week 1.
need2know
Footballguy
Penny got alot of preseason run. Which makes me think he's not playing much for real.
Insein
Footballguy
If Penny dresses, I see him as the Blount type of back. Hell grind out the 2nd half if the Eagles are up big.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
If he gets tons of carries that means eagles are blowing them out
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've got Swift as one of the biggest values in FF this year. They traded for him in this RB market. I know I know Howie would trade for anything. I don't believe Gainwell does anything more than he has up to this point in his career. Which is to say he'll get a few touches just like any other team's backup utility back. I feel like he should have been going in the 4th/5th round of drafts at worst this year but he is going 7th/8th and so mostly just calling my shot here. Now that I'm mostly done drafting for the year.
Chaka
Footballguy
Got him at 8.12 in a 12 team SF, PPR as the 34th RB off the board. That feels like value, on paper. But, as is always the case with him, how long will he stay on the field?
It's not the missed games so much as the early exits that concern me.
Insein
Footballguy
I think opposite. If we're blowing them out, Penny will have 12+ carries.
