JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sorry about that
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RB D’Andre Swift, CHI (1 Viewer)
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This is what I see. All three RBs could have some value, but none are likely to carry you in fantasy, nor are any of the three likely to be comfortable every week starters for you. Philly is gonna spread the ball around between them (barring injuries obviously....if Penny broke and Gainwell were hobbled he could quickly become a must start...same for any of the three really)
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair point - Swift could be one the ultimate high ceiling/low floor guys out there. Draft accordingly.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I’d be more concerned by the lack of dump-offs where Hurts scrambles instead of looking for a RB to dump off to.
That, IMO, hurts Swift’s value in this landing spot more than GL vultures.
There will be some designed RB receptions - shareholders just have to hope there are enough of them. Probably used on sweeps and stretch plays as well.
The Eagles could well be a quagmire week to week. There’s a lot of talent there. Utilization will be the key to whether any of these RB can be truly FF relevant, much less dominant.
Penny’s health is likely a big part of whether Swift has value. Watch this be the year Penny starts 16 games. lol
I was thinking the day the made the trade watch this be the season Swift and Penny both stay healthy. And if they the NFL should both give the assistant coach of the year award to their lead trainer and secondly order random drug tests for all the Eagles.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@CoopAFiasco
The bottom three teams in RB targets last year were:
Philadelphia Eagles: 61
Chicago Bears: 62
Baltimore Ravens: 63
What do those teams have in common?
The bottom three teams in RB targets last year were:
Philadelphia Eagles: 61
Chicago Bears: 62
Baltimore Ravens: 63
What do those teams have in common?
eighsse2
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
I'm excited for swift though. Could be huge as your rb2
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hurts, Fields, and Jackson :sigh:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Could not be huge also. lol
This is actually a low key Johnathan Taylor message.
We will see what Swift does from a fantasy angle but I 100% agreed with this portion of this article from Joe Banner(ex-Eagles president):
Deep-Rooted, Fearless Approach Has Turned Eagles Into Unfailing Winner
The Eagles believe we live in an era where aggressiveness wins. The question is how do you become aggressive as an organization or a general manager? Well, you saw it over the weekend.
The Eagles offered a fourth-round pick in 2025 for Swift, which is more like a fifth or sixth in this year’s draft, and Detroit took it. That begs the simple question: Where were the other 30 general managers?
Not to pick on the New York Giants, but they moved up one spot in the first round for a player (cornerback Deonte Banks) who, in all likelihood, would’ve been there if they hadn’t budged. I mention that because it cost them a fifth-rounder they could‘ve used to acquire Swift.
As it turned out, they used their fifth-rounder on Oklahoma RB Eric Gray, which is fine. But they missed a chance to have short-term (Swift) and long-term (Gray) solutions to rest Saquon Barkley, reduce his chances of getting hurt and still have a standout running back on the field.
What about the Dallas Cowboys? Tony Pollard is coming off an injury, is making tag money and may or may not be able to stay healthy. Wouldn’t Swift have been a good addition for a fourth-round pick in two years? Multiple teams would’ve enhanced their chances of reaching this year’s Super Bowl if they added Swift.
Yet, the Eagles got him for next to nothing, just as they got Darius Slay for next to nothing in 2020. Everyone knew teams were trying to move these players, so it wasn’t talent evaluation that separated the Eagles from everyone else. They were just sitting there with an aggressive mindset, flushing out every opportunity to move forward, which is how they also acquired C.J. Gardner-Johnson last year.
Now, they come back and do the same thing with Swift.
These are not hard evaluations. Everyone knew Swift was available for trade. So, is there no general manager who thought he was worth more than a fourth-round choice in two years? What are they thinking? I think it’s clear: They don’t have the same mindset as the Eagles. They’re not approaching this with an aggressive mentality and looking for every opportunity to improve themselves.
It reminds me of 2009 when we knew the Buffalo Bills and Jason Peters were having contentious contract negotiations. So we called the Bills and acquired the best left tackle in football for the next decade for the 27th draft pick and a fourth-rounder.
How? We knew the Bills weren’t willing to pay him. When you’re calling people constantly and are aware of every opportunity, people know you’re aggressive. What happens is sometimes they start calling you.
Deep-Rooted, Fearless Approach Has Turned Eagles Into Unfailing Winner
The Eagles believe we live in an era where aggressiveness wins. The question is how do you become aggressive as an organization or a general manager? Well, you saw it over the weekend.
The Eagles offered a fourth-round pick in 2025 for Swift, which is more like a fifth or sixth in this year’s draft, and Detroit took it. That begs the simple question: Where were the other 30 general managers?
Not to pick on the New York Giants, but they moved up one spot in the first round for a player (cornerback Deonte Banks) who, in all likelihood, would’ve been there if they hadn’t budged. I mention that because it cost them a fifth-rounder they could‘ve used to acquire Swift.
As it turned out, they used their fifth-rounder on Oklahoma RB Eric Gray, which is fine. But they missed a chance to have short-term (Swift) and long-term (Gray) solutions to rest Saquon Barkley, reduce his chances of getting hurt and still have a standout running back on the field.
What about the Dallas Cowboys? Tony Pollard is coming off an injury, is making tag money and may or may not be able to stay healthy. Wouldn’t Swift have been a good addition for a fourth-round pick in two years? Multiple teams would’ve enhanced their chances of reaching this year’s Super Bowl if they added Swift.
Yet, the Eagles got him for next to nothing, just as they got Darius Slay for next to nothing in 2020. Everyone knew teams were trying to move these players, so it wasn’t talent evaluation that separated the Eagles from everyone else. They were just sitting there with an aggressive mindset, flushing out every opportunity to move forward, which is how they also acquired C.J. Gardner-Johnson last year.
Now, they come back and do the same thing with Swift.
These are not hard evaluations. Everyone knew Swift was available for trade. So, is there no general manager who thought he was worth more than a fourth-round choice in two years? What are they thinking? I think it’s clear: They don’t have the same mindset as the Eagles. They’re not approaching this with an aggressive mentality and looking for every opportunity to improve themselves.
It reminds me of 2009 when we knew the Buffalo Bills and Jason Peters were having contentious contract negotiations. So we called the Bills and acquired the best left tackle in football for the next decade for the 27th draft pick and a fourth-rounder.
How? We knew the Bills weren’t willing to pay him. When you’re calling people constantly and are aware of every opportunity, people know you’re aggressive. What happens is sometimes they start calling you.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
eighsse2
Footballguy
Even from a Superswifter like myself ... I say likely under.
Surely the Eagles will look to have Hurts rush less and rely on their RBs more... give me the over
eighsse2
Footballguy
From your lips to God's ears. I guess I pessimistically expect Penny to get a lot of the carries, and Swift to get more targets.
I've been pretty under consensus on Swift his entire career, but that feels pretty low to me. Eagles RB's ran for over 1,700 yards last season, I think expecting Swift to get at least 1/3rd of that is pretty much a lock if he can stay healthy.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I would open the discussion more to total yards vs rushing yds. He has 521-617-542 with a career high 5.5 ypc last year
Penny's(biggest threat) track record speaks for itself, it's much worse than Swift.
But Swift leaves a team that wanted him to be the guy and ultimately Dan Campbell did not draft him, think he was brought on year prior.
Campbell is pushing hard this season to have a Playoff level team on both sides, Swift was not part of his plan.
It could work out in Philly, the more people doubt Swift, the better your chances in redrafts
46/878/10 TDs
62/1,069/7 TDs
48/931/8 TDs
-That's his total yds and yes I like to insert the receptions 1st like a WR since it seems to be relevant here.
Say what you want but Swift is the Philly RB1 as they enter camp this year and likely Week 1.
I don't expect him to touch the ball much in preseason
26th currently, that seems like a pretty good deal if you wait on RB
I want to add that he's likely to see a dip in TDs but there's a lot of talent around him which could lead to some easier scores.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think at some point they'll want to limit the pounding on Hurts, similar to what the Bills are starting to focus on for Allen. Just not sure the concern is there yet given Hurts' age and modest pounding thus far.
And stop calling us Shirley...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Swift 5th
Penny in the 10th
10-team Redraft leagues, seems like a decent score or investment to have whichever sky rockets, RB2 fillers, can always cut one of them.
Penny in the 10th
10-team Redraft leagues, seems like a decent score or investment to have whichever sky rockets, RB2 fillers, can always cut one of them.
Chaka
Footballguy
Considering their injury histories Gainwell/Scott/Sermon will all likely be WW darlings at some point this season.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Why even mess with either of those guys.
Rather do this pairing:
Alvin Kamara 7th
Jamaal Williams 8th
Especially considering the Saints have one of, if not the easiest, schedules in the NFL. They're primed to make a return to the playoffs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
TY Snot, I've been admiring where Kamara is going off the board and I would even be comfortable a Rd or two earlier, Williams is cheap insurance and a proven commodity
Chaka
Footballguy
Jamaal Williams is a great teammate but, as a player he is very pedestrian. He feasted behind a top offensive line and having an OC/HC combo that loved to man up against defenses at the one yard line.
I don't see any reason to believe he will see anywhere near the same style of offense or have a similarly talented offensive line in front of him. In addition Derek Carr has been historically poor inside the 10 so I wouldn't expect nearly as many shots from the one yard line as Detroit had last season.
Love Kamara but I don't see Jamaal as any sort of mandatory backstop for him this year.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
first reply:
If Swift stays healthy, Eagles got an absolute steal, the guy’s a stud.
But also — if my grandma had pedals, she’d be a bicycle.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He’s a crazy talent. His attitude toward injury and/or other things just rubbed the Lions coaching staff the wrong way.
I know all the caveats about Philly RBs but something just tells me he’s in for a huge year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
right up to the point where something else is nagging him.
I'd like for him to workout. I've heard rumors that people in Detroit considered him "soft" but soft was not the word they used. 
The guy is obviously uber talented but based on the draft capital used, the Eagles aren't going to feel obligated to feed this guy.
With that said, it kind of feels like the Eagles made a smart move. Swift averaged 5.5 YPC last season, that works in this league.
However, I have concerns he's going to be relegated to a 3rd down role. Kind of similar to how they used Gainwell the past couple of years.
Love him in bestball. As a bye week filler or RB3, he has some potential, but I certainly wouldn't want to rely on this cat. I think the judgment is made and he never ends up seeing more than 30/40% of the pie anywhere he goes barring injury.
The guy is obviously uber talented but based on the draft capital used, the Eagles aren't going to feel obligated to feed this guy.
With that said, it kind of feels like the Eagles made a smart move. Swift averaged 5.5 YPC last season, that works in this league.
However, I have concerns he's going to be relegated to a 3rd down role. Kind of similar to how they used Gainwell the past couple of years.
Love him in bestball. As a bye week filler or RB3, he has some potential, but I certainly wouldn't want to rely on this cat. I think the judgment is made and he never ends up seeing more than 30/40% of the pie anywhere he goes barring injury.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You could show actual stats to people to show them their perception is wrong a 100 times - but some people just stick to their guns. Not the best way to learn things but it’s their choice.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
This guy went in the first round of my draft last year.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
I drafted him this year. If he can stay healthy on the Eagles offense it feels like a match made in Heaven.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
I drafted him this year. If he can stay healthy on the Eagles offense it feels like a match made in Heaven.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Swift went in round 1 in your league last season?
The Lions moved on from Swift and Hock for very similar reasons. They did not listen to coaching, did not do the little things they were asked, and did not put it all out there on the field. Both have elite talent and can produce, but not guys who buy into team concepts. Could both be great fantasy players assuming they don't get nicked up. Mostly likely they both will have shinning moments where they display great potential, but fail to put together a great season.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
He went in the first round of my 1 keeper league, so equivalent to 2.07. I’d be shocked if someone reached at a legit first round pick for him.
need2know
Footballguy
Hock seems to be doing OK for himself
For himself bring the key words. As a Lions fan, I am ecstactic that the Vikings have him. The Lions were a better team without Hock, the Vikings were a worse team with Hock.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
He did.
I can’t remember, but I’m pretty sure he was a consensus second rounder last year and someone reached for him.
Looked pretty smart after game 1.
