rockaction
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A lot of sites are now that way. CBS is particularly bad. Yahoo! is probably still the best at free advice.
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RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (4 Viewers)
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A lot of sites are now that way. CBS is particularly bad. Yahoo! is probably still the best at free advice.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Jets have shown to be dumb at times, but under Joe Douglas they haven't been close to being that dumb - teams do not sign players to keep them away from other teams. If the Jets sign him it's because they don't like the depth behind Hall and want to ease him in. Personally I think Carter, Knight and Abanikanda is more than enough to get by - but it's obvious this team is going all in for the next two years so I can't really complain if they add Cook so long as they're not over-paying.
Personally I don't care if he ends up in Miami or Buffalo (he doesn't make either team that much better than what they already have), and I surely don't care if he ends up in New England. I think New England has a better shot at the top pick in the 2024 draft than winning the AFC East.
Isn't this what I said weeks ago and you questioned me?
It's as OBVIOUS today as it was weeks ago that the Jets have concerns with Hall. They are absolutely all in after trading for Rodgers. Signing Cook always made sense for them.
And while maybe teams don't sign players to avoid them going to division rivals, I believe the fact Miami made him an offer increased the urgency with the Jets.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Or the Pats. He's allegedly supposed to meet with them too.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It looks that way now. Rodgers and him also chatted on the sidelines. Rodgers trying to get some guys some rings. I don’t love it as a fan, but I guess I can look at it as “free money” since Rodgers made it possible by kicking something back into the pot.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
When Hall is at full health the offense will be tough to stop - assuming Rodgers is back to form and it looks that way.
Rodgers isn't used to playing in cold weather. He will struggle in the NY winters.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He’s a California guy.
Dalvin Cook back in New York Mon Jul 31, 04:23 AM
Free-agent RB Dalvin Cook (Vikings) visited with the New York Jets Sunday, July 30, taking a physical, meeting with coaches and watching practice.
Free-agent RB Dalvin Cook (Vikings) visited with the New York Jets Sunday, July 30, taking a physical, meeting with coaches and watching practice.
| Footballguys view: It seems like only a matter of time before Cook joins QB Aaron Rodgers. If/when that happens, Cook will be in line to be the no.1 back for the Jets. That means second-year pro Breece Hall will be working in a reserve role when he's healthy. |
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Not sure I agree with the FBG view. I think it would be a true RBBC allowing Hall to work his way back.
zamboni
Footballguy
At this stage, I would say no, but Saleh is probably (and smartly) playing the long game with Breece.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Idk how to put this lightly but hell noooo
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Whoever wrote that probably always sees a parking lot every time they check into their room at a hotel and opens up the window.
He's better than a healthy Bam Knight, Michael Carter, or Israel Abanikanda.
ETA: He's the #2 as soon as Hall is good to go though, Hall is better than Cook at every aspect of the position at this point. Cook is probably east coast David Montgomery in this scenario, where Hall is a much higher ceiling Gibbs.
socrates
Footballguy
Cook >> Knight/Carter/Abanikanda
Cook > David Montgomery
Pre-Injury Hall > 28-year-old Cook
Many fantasy managers seem to have written off Dalvin Cook as washed-up. He is not. He is still a very good RB; however, aging RBs sometimes hit the wall rather abruptly. A fully-recovered Breece Hall is better than a 28-year-old Dalvin Cook, as RB is a young man's position in the NFL, but Hall may not be fully recovered at any point in 2023. One of the elements that made Hall so good for 6.5 games during his rookie season was his explosiveness. We will see how quickly he regains that.
I'd probably say Cook=Montgomery personally.
I will agree that if Hall is hurt worse than we know, or is slower to recover than expected, things could change. But, I still think people are too worried about an ACL injury. Its not THAT big of a deal anymore, a guy like Dobbins was the exception, and I think Cook's possible addition is more of a comment on the depth behind Hall, and the Jets being in a short window following the Rodgers deal.
ETA: I'm not saying an ACL tear is insignificant, but its not some death blow to explosiveness, especially to a guy so young.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
At this point, I’m not sure this is true (at least take away one “>”)- but obviously if they do sign Cook the financial implications and Rodgers trust in him surely moves him past Knight on the depth chart.
socrates
Footballguy
I like Montgomery . . . but the numbers would say otherwise.
David Montgomery . . .
| Year | Team | ATT | YDS | AVG | TD | REC |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | Bears | 201 | 801 | 4.0 | 5 | 34 |
| 2021 | Bears | 225 | 849 | 3.8 | 7 | 42 |
| 2020 | Bears | 247 | 1,070 | 4.3 | 8 | 54 |
| 2019 | Bears | 242 | 889 | 3.7 | 6 | 25 |
vs. Dalvin Cook . . .
| Year | Team | ATT | YDS | AVG | TD | REC |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | Vikings | 264 | 1,173 | 4.4 | 8 | 39 |
| 2021 | Vikings | 249 | 1,159 | 4.7 | 6 | 34 |
| 2020 | Vikings | 312 | 1,557 | 5.0 | 16 | 44 |
| 2019 | Vikings | 250 | 1,135 | 4.5 | 13 | 53 |
As for Hall's recovery, you may be spot on. He could regain his explosiveness in year one following ACL surgery, but I think 2024 is a more likely recovery timetable to get back to his pre-injury form. Time will tell.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
For all of those already putting Cook on the Jets, he left without a signing a contract and is heading to New England.
I don't know that many people have written him off as washed-up, but I also don't think he is still a very good RB. His overall numbers were good last year but a lot of that is because he managed to play in every game, which is at least 3 more than any other season of his career. Most of his per game and per carry numbers dropped, and his advanced metrics took a nosedive. The trend is certainly down, and while it's not impossible to level off (possibly even point back up a touch), it seems much more likely to continue downward at age 28.
I think a pre-injury Hall>>>>28 year-old Cook, but agree that we don't know what a 1st-year-back Hall will look like.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
fantasy needs Cook in MIA
The Dolphins are just sending him on a series of reconnaissance missions before signing him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I do think that’s where he ends up ultimately.
Weebs210
Footballguy
You absolutely love to see it.
Weird. I really did think he'd sign there, He even sat watching practices.... unless that's what Bill asked him to do
What's his hurry? The RB position is evolving every day. A better opportunity may open up. Or, his value may go up.
Why sign today when a star could get injured at any moment opening up a better, more profitable possibility.
Besides, I don't see how this makes feeling good about Hall better. It's obvious the Jets want Cook for a reason.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Does anyone have an idea what Cook is asking for? How many years?
How much guaranteed money?
I really don't know and the numbers in my head might not match up with what Cook wants.
CMC gets $16M, Henry $12.5M but in his last year
Kamara gets $15M, and he's going 7th Rd in redraft? WoW!
Chubb $12M, Jones $11.5M, Pollard, Jacobs, Barkley all getting $10M this year
Mikes Sanders $6M...
@Joe Bryant, maybe the RBs are getting fair market mostly for the really good ones but i think all rookies might need to trim these deals back to 3 years, that's enough time to know if a change of scenery is needed for many of these guys. Look what happened to Elijah Moore and he's lucky he was traded or sent to another team while he still has time to prove he's an NFL star of the future.
How much guaranteed money?
I really don't know and the numbers in my head might not match up with what Cook wants.
CMC gets $16M, Henry $12.5M but in his last year
Kamara gets $15M, and he's going 7th Rd in redraft? WoW!
Chubb $12M, Jones $11.5M, Pollard, Jacobs, Barkley all getting $10M this year
Mikes Sanders $6M...
@Joe Bryant, maybe the RBs are getting fair market mostly for the really good ones but i think all rookies might need to trim these deals back to 3 years, that's enough time to know if a change of scenery is needed for many of these guys. Look what happened to Elijah Moore and he's lucky he was traded or sent to another team while he still has time to prove he's an NFL star of the future.
I heard at first he was looking for $9-10M and preferred two years.
I always thought he'd settle on being able to beat or get on par with what Miles and Montgomery got, which is $6-6.5, except on a one year deal. I don't think the market is quite there yet but he might be able to get it.
A lot harder being a FA in July/August then in March, especially one with some other players at your position still sitting around.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He does have the advantage that many teams probably still consider him an elite RB. Some teams will be smart, see the advanced stats, etc. But we know there are some old school teams who will look at the name and the production/highlights to think that Cook is special. Now they still know that at his age and with his injury history his value is limited but I would suspect some teams greatly prefer him short term to Money and Miles.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Kevrunner
Footballguy
Lansdowne
Footballguy
That meme is the gift that keeps on giving.
For the uninitiated:
zamboni
Footballguy
Soon it’s going to be that Bernie Sanders with a scarf meme from a few years ago.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
oh well. he was supposed to visit the Pats.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Whatever Cook ends up getting for a contract, MIN will pay the first $2M of it. He doesn’t get to double dip. If he can’t get a deal for more than $2M (unlikely), then Cook will get $2M total between MIN and his new team. At least that’s what I read (that there is offset language in his old contract).
Kevrunner
Footballguy
I’m pretty sure the Vikings will only owe Cook any $$$ if he signs for less than $2 million. The Vikings would be obligated to make up the difference. For example if Cook signs with the Jets for $1.5 million, the Vikings would have to pay Cook $500 thousand to make up the difference. In all likelihood Vikings won’t have to pay any $$$ to Cook, no way in the world he will sign a contract for less than $2 million.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
if a team has included offset language in the contract, that club can save some money if and when the player signs with a new team. For example, if that player who had $4 million in guaranteed money left on his contract signs with a new club on a $1 million deal, his old team would only be on the hook for $3 million, with the new team making up the difference. If there’s no offset language on that first deal, the old team would continue to be on the hook for the full $4 million, and the player would simply earn an additional $1 million from his new club.
DJackson10
Footballguy
For those who have cook how are you going about all of this. I got a 10 man keeper team I got James Cook Etienne and Pierce with Zach Mosd as my others. I’d rather not keep him if not signed though
