RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (2 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

Is he just doing his due diligence, or is it teams are reluctant to sign him? Or both.

 

[Weebs210]

Is he just doing his due diligence, or is it teams are reluctant to sign him? Or both.

I think it's more he's looking for a big role and a good amount of money which from the looks of it no one is willing to offer him

 

[Dez]

Is he just doing his due diligence, or is it teams are reluctant to sign him? Or both.

I think it's more he's looking for a big role and a good amount of money which from the looks of it no one is willing to offer him

IF he wanted a big role he could have taken a pay cut and stayed in Minnesota. Clearly he thinks he is worth more. If he wanted a big role Miami looks like the place and he didn't take their offer.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Yea Dalvin Cook and Josh Jacobs situations are getting old this off season with all those best ball drafts. Atleast Cook is a cheaper option

 

[Chaka]

Is he just doing his due diligence, or is it teams are reluctant to sign him? Or both.

I think it's more he's looking for a big role and a good amount of money which from the looks of it no one is willing to offer him

IF he wanted a big role he could have taken a pay cut and stayed in Minnesota. Clearly he thinks he is worth more. If he wanted a big role Miami looks like the place and he didn't take their offer.

I think he is taking a calculated risk that some, potentially contending, team will have an injury that raises his single year value.

Not sure if the math adds up but it seems plausible that is what he is looking for.

For example if Jeff Wilson &/or Mostert goes down (distinct possibilities) wouldn't Miami be a very motivated buyer?

 

[Anarchy99]

I don't ever really buy the talk that PLAYER X is looking for a chance at a huge workload or wants to play for a contender. The huge majority of players are looking for the best paying multi-year contract with the most guaranteed money. They would likely prefer a huge contact with LESS playing time. Those other elements creep in as diversions to cover up that no one is offering them a big contract. The only time it may not be about the money is when it involves a player that already has had multiple contracts, had a ton of endorsement deals, and has made more money than he could realistically spend in a lifetime. Those guys may only choose to keep playing to chase a ring, but not many players fall in that category. Cook has made $32 million over his 6-year career. That's a ton of money to regular people, but that's not a ton of money in career earnings in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers just reworked his deal and reduced his contract by more than that.

We should start seeing guys like Cook, Elliott, Hunt, and Fournette sign soon, probably this week or next week at the latest. They won't want to stay unsigned when teams have their giant roster cuts to go from 90 to 53 players. That would add even more RBs to the market and would devalue RBs even more. Similarly, once teams start cutting and adding players, whatever cap space teams have will quickly start evaporating.

I would guess that the guys still on the market will have to take prove it deals, with 50%+ of the contract tied to active game day bonuses and performance incentives. The alternative to that is for teams to wait until after the season starts and THEN sign someone for the rest of the season . . . when none of the contract is guaranteed (unless negotiated and stated in the contract). No matter what these guys may want for a contract, it doesn't appear that there are any takers looking to give them anywhere near what they want.

 

[Weebs210]

Is he just doing his due diligence, or is it teams are reluctant to sign him? Or both.

I think it's more he's looking for a big role and a good amount of money which from the looks of it no one is willing to offer him

IF he wanted a big role he could have taken a pay cut and stayed in Minnesota. Clearly he thinks he is worth more. If he wanted a big role Miami looks like the place and he didn't take their offer.

I said both not one or the other.

 

[Chaka]

The huge majority of players are looking for the best paying multi-year contract with the most guaranteed money.

Absolutely agree. My feeling is this value will come from a team that truly believes they are a contender and suffers an injury at the position.

But, as you point out, a guy like Dalvin could easily price himself out of a job when guys like Hunt and Fournette are also available.

 

[Anarchy99]

The huge majority of players are looking for the best paying multi-year contract with the most guaranteed money.

Absolutely agree. My feeling is this value will come from a team that truly believes they are a contender and suffers an injury at the position.

But, as you point out, a guy like Dalvin could easily price himself out of a job when guys like Hunt and Fournette are also available.

The reason why I added in the multi-year part, especially at this stage of the game, is most teams don't have the luxury of guaranteeing a one-year contract. By adding a second year, the team could get into some creative cap accounting to push most of the cap charge into the future. A cap strapped contender with a season ending injury to their starter could always sign someone and tack on 4 dummy years to minimize the cap hit. In reality, it would be a one-year contract, but the majority of the cap hit would come due next year instead of this year. I am sure top backs would much rather get $30 million guaranteed than sign a one-year deal (which doesn't really sound like the market will even consider anymore). If Cook was willing to take less to play for a contender, chances are he'd still be on the Vikings.

 

[rockaction]

If Cook was willing to take less to play for a contender, chances are he'd still be on the Vikings.

I was just coming in this thread to post this. This is spot on, IMO.

 

[Chaka]

The huge majority of players are looking for the best paying multi-year contract with the most guaranteed money.

Absolutely agree. My feeling is this value will come from a team that truly believes they are a contender and suffers an injury at the position.

But, as you point out, a guy like Dalvin could easily price himself out of a job when guys like Hunt and Fournette are also available.

The reason why I added in the multi-year part, especially at this stage of the game, is most teams don't have the luxury of guaranteeing a one-year contract. By adding a second year, the team could get into some creative cap accounting to push most of the cap charge into the future. A cap strapped contender with a season ending injury to their starter could always sign someone and tack on 4 dummy years to minimize the cap hit. In reality, it would be a one-year contract, but the majority of the cap hit would come due next year instead of this year. I am sure top backs would much rather get $30 million guaranteed than sign a one-year deal (which doesn't really sound like the market will even consider anymore). If Cook was willing to take less to play for a contender, chances are he'd still be on the Vikings.

Totally get it and didn't want to dismiss it, particularly with the salary cap floor. My point, and I think it's yours as well, is he is simply looking for the most guaranteed dollars regardless of where they come from.

IMO, at this point of the season that the best opportunity to maximize those dollars comes from a contender that suffers an injury.

But that may not happen and waiting for it costs more every day, so you're right that those dominoes (Fournette, Zeke, Cook etc) should start to fall very soon.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Pelissero] Four-time Pro Bowler Dalvin Cook is signing with the #Jets on a one-year deal, sources tell me and @RapSheet. Cook always wanted to land in New York. Now he teams up with former NFC North rival Aaron Rodgers, with all eyes on a Super Bowl.

 

[-jb-]

Third round ADP Dara pretty much out the window with these signings

 

[Dez]

Third round ADP Dara pretty much out the window with these signings

I am currently in 2 underdog drafts at the same time I just fired up I took Hall in the late 3rd in one and Cook in the mid 9th in the other..............

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not gonna lie… Kind of hoping he feels his physical.

-Hatey McHaterson

 

[eighsse2]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

I dunno, it does suck, but I wouldn't be overly worried if I had Hall.

 

[travdogg]

Up to 8.6 million. Yikes, that feels like a huge overpay for 2023 Cook, maybe 2020 Cook was worth that.

Unlike with Stevenson this is an actually threat to Hall, even once he's healed. I'd probably be looking at this being a 50-50 RBBC, with likely neither RB being in my top-20. Probably still prefer Hall though.

 

[rockaction]

Good for the Jets, bad for Hall GMs.

A one-year deal is actually perfect for the Jets. Lets them have Hall insurance.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

Woof, own Breece in all leagues. Struggling in one I just took over, whether to keep him for $33 (RBs are way overvalued in this league) might just throw all the dice back in the tumbler and give her another shake... turn this keeper team into a redraft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

I dunno, it does suck, but I wouldn't be overly worried if I had Hall.

Long-term, no… But short term, my only use for running backs are James Cook, and AJ, Dillon. That’s… Less than ideal.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Good for the Jets, bad for Hall GMs.

A one-year deal is actually perfect for the Jets. Lets them have Hall insurance.

Yes. It surely caps Hall and Cook’s value. As a fan I kind of like the young guys but adding talent to what could be a stacked team isn’t a bad thing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

Woof, own Breece in all leagues. Struggling in one I just took over, whether to keep him for $33 (RBs are way overvalued in this league) might just throw all the dice back in the tumbler and give her another shake... turn this keeper team into a redraft.

Maybe we should start a support group… Hug it out or something.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good for the Jets, bad for Hall GMs.

A one-year deal is actually perfect for the Jets. Lets them have Hall insurance.

Yes. It surely caps Hall and Cook’s value. As a fan I kind of like the young guys but adding talent to what could be a stacked team isn’t a bad thing.

Jets are definitely going for it. If Aaron Rodgers can find a little spark again that’s going to be a really dangerous team.

 

[rockaction]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

 

[rockaction]

Up to 8.6 million. Yikes, that feels like a huge overpay for 2023 Cook, maybe 2020 Cook was worth that.

The "up to" wording makes me think it's an incentive-laden deal. I'll bet he got a little more than Zeke did. Probably 5-6 million guaranteed. The problem then becomes if it's incentive-laden, what do they do with a potentially disgruntled Cook when Hall returns and needs playing time?

 

[rockaction]

Bam Knight

 

[menobrown]

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50

Not sure if you saw or heard it but Dianna Russini was on the Pat McCafee show about 10 days and was strongly suggesting the reason the Jets and Dalvin had hit and impasse was over roles, that the Jet's view Breece as their main guy and Dalvin was struggling with that as he does not see himself as a secondary RB.

My guess is the the Jets have not changed their tune, money probably changed Dalvin's.

This caps both of their upsides for sure, but I always felt it was going to be a lot like a RBBC because of how Hackett has used his RB's. But I think when Breece is up and running he'll be the main guy by at least a little.

 

[nelly29]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

Gonna agree….. but often a RB is not himself the 1st year after an ACL so we may not see 100% Hall this season…. But yes a 100% Hall is the lead back on this team .

 

[JohnnyU]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

Both Carter and Knight lose in this. I know Knight is now ww material and Carter may be as well.

 

[eighsse2]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

I dunno, it does suck, but I wouldn't be overly worried if I had Hall.

Long-term, no… But short term, my only use for running backs are James Cook, and AJ, Dillon. That’s… Less than ideal.

Oh, yeah ... That could get rough for this season.

 

[need2know]

Man if only the jets had an oline

 

[rockaction]

Not sure if you saw or heard it but Dianna Russini was on the Pat McCafee show about 10 days and was strongly suggesting the reason the Jets and Dalvin had hit and impasse was over roles, that the Jet's view Breece as their main guy and Dalvin was struggling with that as he does not see himself as a secondary RB.

I did. I wonder what changed. You might be right that it's money.

 

[menobrown]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

Both Carter and Knight lose in this. I know Knight is now ww material and Carter may be as well.

Actually one of them is probably getting cut or traded and that actually turn into a win for one of them. I know I'd rather have the one set free then the one trapped in NY.

 

[menobrown]

Not sure if you saw or heard it but Dianna Russini was on the Pat McCafee show about 10 days and was strongly suggesting the reason the Jets and Dalvin had hit and impasse was over roles, that the Jet's view Breece as their main guy and Dalvin was struggling with that as he does not see himself as a secondary RB.

I did. I wonder what changed. You might be right that it's money.

I would guess money and losing NE as one of his main suitors.

 

[JohnnyU]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

Both Carter and Knight lose in this. I know Knight is now ww material and Carter may be as well.

Actually one of them is probably getting cut or traded and that actually turn into a win for one of them. I know I'd rather have the one set free then the one trapped in NY.

A win for getting cut isn't a guarantee, but you know that.

 

[Chemical X]

i hate having to root for a domestic violence perp. but if i start getting picky about NFL players i’ll wind up rooting for like only 7 of them.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

Both Carter and Knight lose in this. I know Knight is now ww material and Carter may be as well.

Actually one of them is probably getting cut or traded and that actually turn into a win for one of them. I know I'd rather have the one set free then the one trapped in NY.

A win for getting cut isn't a guarantee, but you know that.

But his point, that you’d prefer that risk to being stuck behind Hall, Cook and maybe even Abikanda. Odds are the next landing spot would be better.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Bam Knight

This makes more sense really. Carter can be a third down back. Knight would be more redundant.

 

[JohnnyU]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

Both Carter and Knight lose in this. I know Knight is now ww material and Carter may be as well.

Actually one of them is probably getting cut or traded and that actually turn into a win for one of them. I know I'd rather have the one set free then the one trapped in NY.

A win for getting cut isn't a guarantee, but you know that.

But his point, that you’d prefer that risk to being stuck behind Hall, Cook and maybe even Abikanda. Odds are the next landing spot would be better.

Perhaps, but I'm thinking 2023. With that said, you can't ignore the repercussions for Hall this year. I don't think he will be himself until late 2023 or 2024.

 

[rockaction]

This makes more sense really. Carter can be a third down back. Knight would be more redundant.

That was exactly my thought process.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets are definitely going for it.

If they really are, once Hall is healthy it should be nowhere near 50/50. It should be Hall 62, Cook 38, but we know how coaches are with veterans. I'm just saying. . .it would be that way, but it won't be. I hope that doesn't sink the Jets later in the year.

But the Jets open with the Bills, Cowboys, Patriots, Chiefs.

They need to hit the ground running or they'll be 0-4 right quick.

This probably means Michael Carter gets released or maybe Bam Knight. Have to think Abikanda made the team.

Carter is a solid all around back but declined in Year 2.

Both Carter and Knight lose in this. I know Knight is now ww material and Carter may be as well.

Actually one of them is probably getting cut or traded and that actually turn into a win for one of them. I know I'd rather have the one set free then the one trapped in NY.

A win for getting cut isn't a guarantee, but you know that.

But his point, that you’d prefer that risk to being stuck behind Hall, Cook and maybe even Abikanda. Odds are the next landing spot would be better.

Perhaps, but I'm thinking 2023. With that said, you can't ignore the repercussions for Hall this year. I don't think he will be himself until late 2023 or 2024.

I don’t really agree, but I obviously can’t claim I know any better. I think this was more to make Aaron happy since he gave back money and to add to the weapons.

 

[rockaction]

I think this was more to make Aaron happy since he gave back money and to add to the weapons.

That's part of it, but I really think that given their insane schedule to start, this is to give them Cook for those games while Breece ramps up into the season. If Cook needs to ramp up, then this was probably a dumb signing. Well, not really. One always needs depth.

If they manage it right then it was a good signing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

#RIP my 16 team league roster with Hall on it I guess

I dunno, it does suck, but I wouldn't be overly worried if I had Hall.

Long-term, no… But short term, my only use for running backs are James Cook, and AJ, Dillon. That’s… Less than ideal.

Oh, yeah ... That could get rough for this season.

*useful

Voice to text done me wrong. I don’t know why I bother. I’m trying to usher in skynet early I guess.

 

[The Frankman]

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports Jets signed RB Dalvin Cook to a one-year, $8.6 million contract.

Although only a one-year deal, the $8.6 million makes Cook the ninth highest paid running back considering average annual value. Cook joins a retooled Jets roster that also brought in quarterback Aaron Rodgers this offseason, giving him exactly what he was searching for in free agency - to be paid what he feels he’s worth and to join a Super Bowl contender. The Jets now lock up their stopgap and insurance policy while they wait for the return of the electric second-year back Breece Hall. Cook is still recovering from offseason shoulder surgery to address a torn labrum and is also nearing the birth of his first-born child. Schefter went on to say, “So it will be a bit before he is on the field.” It sounds like his new franchise will have to wait until after their third preseason game before they get their first glimpse of Cook on the field in a Jets’ uniform.

- Adam Schefter, Twitter 1, 2

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would guess money and losing NE as one of his main suitors.

At some point that music was gonna stop and there aren’t that many chairs left.

Good decision.

ETA: Wonder where Lenny ends up.

 

[menobrown]

I would guess money and losing NE as one of his main suitors.

At some point that music was gonna stop and there aren’t that many chairs left.

Good decision.

ETA: Wonder where Lenny ends up.

Don't know but read he did not look good when NE brought him in, I believe overweight, sluggish was what was being used to describe his condition.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

sluggish was what was being used to describe his condition.

Him & me both, brother.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I would be excited if i were a NYJ fan
But i root for teams in Florida so I kinda hope the wheels come off this year
I also think he's got plenty in the gas tank and will likely have a pretty good season for the Jets
The Jets have Rodgers at QB, no reason to hold back this year
Boom or Bust