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I changed it to I was offered an early 2nd for( Damien Williams + a late 2nd) but turned it down. Hopefully your head feels better.That sentence hurts my head.
I changed it to I was offered an early 2nd for( Damien Williams + a late 2nd) but turned it down. Hopefully your head feels better.That sentence hurts my head.
Which I said twice yet you continue lecturing. You weren't referring to typical dynasty leagues, you specifically quoted me discussing my leagues (twice). There are no insignificant investments in these leagues. Our FAAB is used year-round and carried over for RFA the following year. Missing on a bunch of min bid fliers is a good way to lose the ability to retain Robert Woods or Tarik Cohen when their contracts expire.If Darrel was a FA in your league it would require a big investment?
I have no idea what kind of league you’re in, but as I’ve stated numerous times, I’m only referring to typical dynasty leagues.
Get over yourself.Which I said twice yet you continue lecturing. You weren't referring to typical dynasty leagues, you specifically quoted me discussing my leagues (twice). There are no insignificant investments in these leagues. Our FAAB is used year-round and carried over for RFA the following year. Missing on a bunch of min bid fliers is a good way to lose the ability to retain Robert Woods or Tarik Cohen when their contracts expire.
If hill misses time its not good for anyone but sammy watkins and the current wr3 for kcLet's get back on track.
If hill misses time, is it good or bad for williams? Good in the sense that they will need a pass catching rb on the field more and will probably increase his targets, bad in the sense that the whole offense works better when the d has to worry about hill scoring on any play.
I agree with this. Mahommes would lose the most from Hill being out.Losing Hill would be a pretty sizable blow to their offense. Mahomes would take the biggest hit.
I don’t see how it could be good for an average talent back like Williams. Williams won me two leagues last season so I’m not trying to downplay him but he obviously benefits from situation.Let's get back on track.
If hill misses time, is it good or bad for williams? Good in the sense that they will need a pass catching rb on the field more and will probably increase his targets, bad in the sense that the whole offense works better when the d has to worry about hill scoring on any play.
Thank you. Guys, please keep this 100% on track discussing Football. And not taking shots at each other. Thanks.Let's get back on track.
If hill misses time, is it good or bad for williams? Good in the sense that they will need a pass catching rb on the field more and will probably increase his targets, bad in the sense that the whole offense works better when the d has to worry about hill scoring on any play.
I traded him for the 2.02 in one 12 team PPR league where my team is already very strong. Normally I put his value at late 1st.Damien is a really tough buy/sell. His owners are very likely going to want more than he's worth on paper because of the upside & buyers will be leery in general.
I'd be interested to see any deals involving him.
Yeah, I think that's about right (late-1st/early-2nd) as far as straight value.I traded him for the 2.02 in one 12 team PPR league where my team is already very strong. Normally I put his value at late 1st.
I think there are very good prospects that will be available in the early to mid-2nd. Like one of the 3 TEs (Fant, Hockenson, and Smith), Harris, Deebo Samuel, Marquise Brown, Arcega-Whiteside, both QBs (Haskins and Murray), and Rodney Anderson if the injuries don't scare you.Yeah, I think that's about right (late-1st/early-2nd) as far as straight value.
That said, I don't like the 2019 class. I'm kinda surprised you moved Damien for 2.2.
Do you have a specific plan for 2.2 or were you simply pretty confident he'll bust & you wanted your "money" now?
Gotcha.I think there is very good prospects that will be available in the early to mid-2nd.
Personally, I think his chances of being the guy for his team, are every bit as good as Ingram's. I would be a little surprised if KC took a RB very highly, they basically need everything on defense. I think they could easily just go with Williams/Hyde/Darryl Williams or late day 3 rookie.JamieMurphy said:So I'm in an early $77 ffpc draft and I passed on Williams for Ingram. I may regret it, but I think KC is going to draft a RB and Williams won't be the heir apparent and I could see Ingram getting a TON of work especially goal line this year. You guys really think Williams is going to be they guy in KC?
You took the percentage play. Ingram was a 1st round talent (vs. UDFA), has a long history of very good play (vs. half a season of good play and several seasons of meh), and is getting paid like 3X what Williams is getting paid. I'd say current competition is about equal (Hyde vs. Edwards/Dixon) and both situations are very RB friendly. KC is the team more likely to add RB in the draft, although they have a lot of other needs so it is not a guarantee.JamieMurphy said:So I'm in an early $77 ffpc draft and I passed on Williams for Ingram. I may regret it, but I think KC is going to draft a RB and Williams won't be the heir apparent and I could see Ingram getting a TON of work especially goal line this year. You guys really think Williams is going to be they guy in KC?
JamieMurphy said:So I'm in an early $77 ffpc draft and I passed on Williams for Ingram. I may regret it, but I think KC is going to draft a RB and Williams won't be the heir apparent and I could see Ingram getting a TON of work especially goal line this year. You guys really think Williams is going to be they guy in KC?
Ingram has the higher floor, Williams the higher ceiling. It comes down to your comfort with risk. Williams could realistically end up in RB1 territory. He could also be a part time, committee style back, perhaps between the 30-40th spot. Both of those outcomes are within the range of possibilities. Ingram is solid, likely a back end RB2. Don't see the potential for an RB1 finish given Jackson and the other backs on the Ravens.JamieMurphy said:So I'm in an early $77 ffpc draft and I passed on Williams for Ingram. I may regret it, but I think KC is going to draft a RB and Williams won't be the heir apparent and I could see Ingram getting a TON of work especially goal line this year. You guys really think Williams is going to be they guy in KC?
4th team in just over 1 calendar year.I think KC is his fourth team in four years, or something like that.
Looking good so far ...Step 1 - Sign player to extension
Step 2 - Finish 2018 season strong
Step 3 - Get by draft focusing on defense and let unsigned free agents walk.
Step 4 -
Thompson is a big Waldman favorite. Waldman has him as a top 7 back I believe.Chiefs selected Dawrin Thompson as the last pick in the sixth round. Profiles as a backup.
Doesn't impact Williams IMO.
True. Williams himself is a charity case though.waldman always has some charity case rb super high.
Does this mean he gets a majority of the snaps as well?Arrowhead Pride ✔ @ArrowheadPride
According to #Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, "Damien Williams is our starter, and we expect him to excel in that role."
12:59 PM - May 30, 2019
Speaking Thursday, Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy insisted that Damien Williams will be the team's starting running back.
"Damien Williams is our starter," Bieniemy said matter of factly. "We expect him to excel in that role." There has been continued skepticism that career bit player Williams will maintain the role he had down the stretch last season, but his added competition is far from daunting. There is Carlos Hyde coming off a lost season and sixth-rounder Darwin Thompson. Second-year UDFA Darrel Williams is the other holdover. Even if a committee emerges, Williams will begin the year leading it.
SOURCE: Brandon Kiley on Twitter
May 30, 2019, 2:18 PM ET
You have to get up a day early to beat Faust to the punch.Damn it faust
Its Spring.https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1134157535437557760?s=09
Damien williams is our starter
- bienemy
What is pennies? I have Williams in a league where I just took over a team and haven't inquired about Hyde. I'm not sure I buy Hyde being better than Williams but I could use a good idea on what Hyde might cost me.Its Spring.
Hyde is available for pennies everywhere I'm shopping, and I'm buying up all of it. If I'm wrong, I lose close to nothing. I'm not paying a premium for a career JAG who shined in a productive system, who now has a superior talent auditioning for reps for the next 3 months. I'll gladly take a minimal risk that the cream will rise to the top,.as it almost always does.
I traded him a month or so ago for a 2020 1st (likely mid). I think that's more his value if you can find an owner in your league who is either a) win now, or b) believes Williams is the KC Starting RB beyond this year.Saw him traded for a likely mid 2020 second rounder, which I thought was very cheap
I think this is a great move...I think the Hyde signing was a little underrated if he can revert back to his SF game play.....Its Spring.
Hyde is available for pennies everywhere I'm shopping, and I'm buying up all of it. If I'm wrong, I lose close to nothing. I'm not paying a premium for a career JAG who shined in a productive system, who now has a superior talent auditioning for reps for the next 3 months. I'll gladly take a minimal risk that the cream will rise to the top,.as it almost always does.
Bad move even for a rebounding team. If he starts the year with a couple 20+ point games, you can easily move him to a contender for a 2020 1st.Saw him traded for a likely mid 2020 second rounder, which I thought was very cheap
Who was HC running the offense in CLE? Who was the QB?Bad move even for a rebounding team. If he starts the year with a couple 20+ point games, you can easily move him to a contender for a 2020 1st.
Hyde beating him out in the pre-season seems like a pipe dream, in my opinion. Williams skillset is a much more favorable for what Reid wants in a running back, and we've already seen him excel in this offense well into the playoffs. Hyde was barely mediocre last year even in Cleveland. The only think keep his value afloat there was touchdowns.
Hyde was even worse in Jacksonville than he was in Cleveland. And he’s not a good receiver. He had one season two years ago where he caught 59 balls, but he needed 88 targets to do it. His receiving average that year was 5.9, oh and he led all RBs in the league that year with 6 drops. Listen, I’m not saying it’s a terrible idea to grab Hyde for peanuts if you don’t believe in Damien’s talent. It’s been abundantly clear that whoever the starting rb in this offense is they’re likely a fantasy goldmine. I’m just of the opinion that, barring injury, that man this year is Damien Williams. He’s much faster than Hyde and as far as receiving goes they’re not even in the same stratosphere. Hyde will likely poach some tds, though.Who was HC running the offense in CLE? Who was the QB?
He's not special, but let's not pretend Williams is either. Hyde has the superior pedigree, the rushing/receiving chops. Folks acting like Williams has this locked down might be due for a crushing disappointment, and those buying Hyde for pennies and nickels are probably wise to do so.
Is Hyde the cream in this example? I think he's expired and all sour now.Its Spring.
Hyde is available for pennies everywhere I'm shopping, and I'm buying up all of it. If I'm wrong, I lose close to nothing. I'm not paying a premium for a career JAG who shined in a productive system, who now has a superior talent auditioning for reps for the next 3 months. I'll gladly take a minimal risk that the cream will rise to the top,.as it almost always does.
Hyde is and always was a pretty bad receiver. He had one volume pumped good year for receptions but his efficiency was horrendous that year. He's a minus in the passing game.Who was HC running the offense in CLE? Who was the QB?
He's not special, but let's not pretend Williams is either. Hyde has the superior pedigree, the rushing/receiving chops. Folks acting like Williams has this locked down might be due for a crushing disappointment, and those buying Hyde for pennies and nickels are probably wise to do so.