Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't have an exact spot, it's just that if I am in a position to get a RB and it is the Guice, Collins, Drake, Henry, McCoy, Ajayi tier than I take Guice. I am just kind of lukewarm to cold on the other guys.
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RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (2 Viewers)
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As you said, the pick you have will determine if you have a chance on him. His current ADP is 3.8, and I think it may creep up a few more spots before draft day. If you have an early pick, you better be all in on him. And no, I would not draft him over Jordan Howard or Joe Mixon either.
matuski
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not impressed with a lot that draft to be honest.
Ideally of course it would be better to get Guice in Round 4 then Round 3, but if you really want him you may have to "reach" - in fact FF Calculator has his ADP at 3.05.
As some one that drafts based off of my projections, I don't mind getting the guy I deem to be the most worthy of taking when I'm OTC - especially when I have no idea if he'll make it back. In fact I don't see a ton of difference between the 3rd Round WRs like Thielen, Diggs, Hill and Hilton and the 4th Round WRs like Cooper, Smith-Shuster, Tate and Thomas - so for me it may make sense to take the "best" RB available when I'm OTC in Round 3.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You take guys like Tarik Cohen, Randall Cobb, Marlon Mack, Jordy Nelson and Marquise Goodman before Aaron Rodgers because it's so uncool to be the first one to take a QB.
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Assuming Dez doesn't sign in Cleveland and there is no bad news on him, do you include Josh Gordon in that group of 4th round receivers?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Wrong. In FPC drafts he is a third round pick. What "expert" drafts are you looking at?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's talking about this one: http://www67.myfantasyleague.com/2018/options?L=54962&O=17
There's a thread on it here.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Ignore the depth chart crap, Gruden said today he had no input on it and joked that the team's PR guy put it together. Guice is crushing camp and catching the ball really well.
ponchsox
Footballguy
I'm not touching Barkley in the first. But I would draft him in the 2nd. He has the 2nd highest draft grade given to a RB in the last 20 years, just behind Adrian Peterson. That's some elite company. The other 10 players on that list are :Lynch, Fournette, Zeke, Gurley, Richardson (bleh), and McCaffrey. That's some elite company.
Most scouts actually have him rated higher than Zeke coming out of college. He steps into an offense with possible the best WR in the league taking pressure off boxes and a likely hall of fame QB to help him out. Barkley also has proven elite-level skills in both pass protection and receiving out of the backfield. There is no concern whatsoever that he will be able to handle all three downs (which is a huge precursor to bellcow-level touches).
I don't think there's much of a comparison between these two players. Guice has a lot more question marks as far as 3rd down role, proven ability in college, off-the-field issues, and surrounding talent.
Don't get me wrong man, I'm coming around to him given all the praise and potential ability. But I'm going to have to see some good preseason work to spend a 3rd rounder on him. It's not like he can go much higher. If he blows up the preseason like Cook did, he's only going to raise a little bit in the rankings (maybe ~3.02).
steelers1080
Footballguy
Hot Take - Guice will be the #1 fantasy RB from the rookie class this year in non-PPR.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I don't draft just off my projections, but it something I certainly consider when comparing players at ADP and which one actually gives me the most VBD and where tiers drop before making that decision.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
To be clear, yes there’s other factors then just my projections such as the ones you mentioned - I just meant that while ADP plays a factor I’m not going to risk losing guy if I think I can make up any lost value in the next round anyway.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
For me as far as considering Guice in round 3 as is his current ADP it would mostly depend on which WR were still left in round 3 when I am making the pick.
If I am in round 3 and Fitzgerald and Guice are both there at my pick, I am likely taking Fitzgerald as I don't think I can get him as late this year. It is scenarios like this, where both players I would like to have will be gone before it comes back to me, so in that case I just take who I think is going to be the best player for this season in the league format.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I go one better: I ignore people who bring up the depth chart before the first preseason game.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Starting to come around to taking Guice in the early 3rd.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
didn't look too good, was at the end of a long run
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Per Skins fans on Twitter he’s fine. Walking around on the sideline watching the game.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
so him walking on the sideline, and smiling means nothing? after being examined for a potential knee injury?
imo it means a lot. him with a grimace on his face going to the locker room is much worse than walking and smiling.
unless hes happy he is hurt terribly bad and is trying to make it worse by using it.
Didn't see anything about him smiling in the original post. KiJana Carter was walking around on the sideline too.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess that’s true but it means they didn’t send him to the locker room for an x-Ray, further examination or treatment. But sure guys have walked on tears before but usually just to leave the field / they don’t stand around. Hopefully it’s nothing.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
watched the play where he was injured. was a sick run. watched it over and over. didn't see anything on the run that was terribly bad. he had a slight hyper extension and possibly some knee valgus. not a good combination. it was very slight but that combo is never a good thing. hard to really tell from that angle.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
wish I could import a picture. got a decent freeze frame on that video at 11 seconds that shows where he might be showing slight hyper with slight valgus as hes getting hit. I could speculate on what it could be, but people tend to get on my case for that
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Bummer - he was a dude getting a lot of hype. Hopefully he’s dodged anything major.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Well at least his ADP ascension should be blunted by this news. I also kind of forgot about Byron Marshall and how he'd be a serviceable pass catching back if Thompson were to go down again.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
hearing MRI is precautionary only
(HULK)
(Smash)
Wasn't great for a long time before Portis either... I still own a Trung Candidate jersey
ffldrew
Footballguy
Also looks like his left leg gives under the loose astroturf as he makes the cut/spin at the 8 second mark around the 38 yard line - he could have tweaked it there.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Elevencents
Footballguy
They’ll know pretty soon it’s just a matter of when they decide to let the public know.
[Rapoport]#Redskins RB Derrius Guice, who injured his knee last night, received an initial diagnosis of a sprained MCL, source said. He’ll have an MRI to confirm.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1027936443073736705
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1027936443073736705
Sebowski
Footballguy
In the locker room whilst sucking on a lollipop with his classic light up the room smile, Guice said he felt it hyper extend just a bit during his stiff arm.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
Based on everything I read, I see no reason he won't start week 1. Jordan Farmar (old Laker guard) once sprained an MCL (confirmed by MRI) and played in a game just days after the MRI.
That said, I could see the Skins shutting Guice down for the rest of the preseason games (which is a bummer, because I want to see him play)
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Aside from the injury, his outing wasn't impressive. I thought Rob Kelley wore number 29 at first and wondered when I'd get to see Guice play.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
As a dynasty owner and some one that is targeting him in redraft, I'm cool with him being shut down for the preseason.
steelers1080
Footballguy
So he had 1 big run, and several ok ones. Kinda like Barkley? 1 run for 39 yards, and 4 runs for 4 yards.
Also, if it's a sprained MCL he could be good to go for next week if they needed him (which they don't in preseason). It depends on the severity of the sprain and if there's any tears. Here's hoping he's healthy enough to get some reps in 2 weeks, in the "most important" preseason game.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Having a sprained MCL is annoying because it tells you nothing of the severity of it. Could be perfectly fine by next week or could be less than 100% for a month.
