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I can't speak for everybody else--but I play in four leagues. Three of them are ppr (2 ffpc and 1 through yahoo)--and 1 is standard (a cbs league)--and Martin was on the bench in all four of them. I'm sure there are a decent amount of owners that played him--but my best guess is that he was probably on the benches for over half of his owners. You certainly weren't alone in not starting him.
So you expect us to believe that you had a bad feeling about Martin this whole time, but drafted him in all four of your leagues? Crap is getting deep in here.
lol..no worries. I don't have any shares of Martin this season. I create positional tiers for my draft--and the tier that I had Martin in would have put him 3+ rounds later than where he ended up going in my drafts.
I'm in the same boat as you. I absolutely avoided him his whole career (never had faith in Schiano) but felt he'd reached a good value this year. As of 9/7/15, the FBG aggregate ADP for him was RB26 which seemed right at or below my anticipated floor for him in Dirk Koetter's offense, even with a rookie QB. Yet trolls will complain that his consistency isn't up to par (while not defining what par is that late in the RB player pool).
They just utilized him more when he was in the game. He does cede snaps to Sims when they are losing (has been almost 50/50 split in losses, but he outsnapped Sims 39-27 in the one W) and yesterday was no exception as it was 38-39 in favor of Sims. But yesterday they gave him a carry or target on 66% of his snaps. Previous three games = 49.5%. FWIW, Sims' utilization is 31%.
You are correct--yesterday the tides shifted and it was the perfect storm for Martin shine---and he did. Jameis was nothing short of horrid yesterday. He threw 4 ints (1 was an early pick 6) that really put his team out of the game very early. At halftime--Doug had a decent line (something to the effect of 10 carries, 35 yards). Carolina goes up 31-10 in the third--and the Bucs kept riding Doug--which has not been something they have done before. If this trend continues--this could be huge for Doug--because the way Jameis looked--this team will be behind in lots of games. If you look at his final line--I think he finished with 106 yards--and some receiving yards too--so the majority of his production did come in this extended period of garbage time. The answer to your question is the key to determining Martins ROS outlook. If the Bucs are committed to him even when games get out of hand--his stock rises big time. I don't know think anybody here (including myself) knows the answer to that question. My thoughts on Martin have always been that he's a tough guy to own because he's "uncomfortable" to start. The situation in Tampa Bay has been turbulent at best over the past few years--and I still see it as being as turbulent this season. For me--turbulent/unstable situations generally lead to unstable fantasy production--which has been the case for Martin over the last 20 games that he has played in. With that being said--if Jameis is really as bad as he played yesterday--there is a chance that Tampa decides to really focus on the run and take the ball out of his hands as much as possible. If they do that--they are also more or less abandoning Evans--so it's tough to see what Tampa does from here.
I think he has more fantasy points than anyone on that list other than Ivory Randle and Blount.
IMO, I'd hold...Darryl Talley said:
shadyridr said:
This may sound stupid but I thought outside of the interceptions, Winston didnt play all that bad. He throws a nice ball. Should become a pretty decent qb in the league.
They should have taken Mariota. Or traded down. They could have drafted a lineman and gotten a number one this year. I bet the Jets would have done that.
They could have taken Mariotta, but you don't walk out of that draft with your team a train wreck and not at least take a shot at a franchise QB. Trading down would not have been the move.
I made the same call. Thought that the Eagles would score more, and Martin was questionable.
This was my take after his good preseason outing. He's always gotten decent volume and always shown flashes. Then he has a bunch of 14 for 40, 15 for 50 type games where he convinces you to bench him. Then he bubbles up to the surface with a good game and tricks you into playing him.
Not to hijack a Martin thread, but I have zero doubt that, if they could know now what they know and could do the draft over, they would take Mariota. So would the other 31 teams. Mariota has been great. Winston throws more to the opposition than to his own team. Horrible decision maker.
Someone upthread posted a link of all the running backs whose ADP was slightly ahead or and slightly being Martin's. The list consisted of 18 running backs. Only four of the 18 have out produced Doug Martin. He's a great value, considering how inconsistent running backs as a whole have been. It sucks figuring when to have him in your lineup or not, but that's no different than owning Carlos Hyde or Alfred Morris or a bunch of other guys drafted ahead of him.
little too early to judge that, Ryan Leaf was 2-0 in his first two game , while Peyton was 0-2, lets not freak out here
So if you drafted Martin, you likely got him in Round 4 area...
I don't think any owners are going to offer much after only one real good game. You're better off holding. He wasn't good last week, he was great. 140 total yards. And looked explosive. He also has a 98 yard game. I agree with some of the other issues that are worrisome. Winston is a turnover machine. That greatly reduces the touchdown opportunities. But Martin is averaging 18.5 touches per game. That's a very good amount for a RB2.
He's a hold at worst. What can you get for him? Anyone you're selling to is going to wonder the same things about him that have been pointed out in this thread. Inconsistent. Not a 3 down back. Etc.
And four touchdowns. That's pretty bad. But that's not even the problem. Unless you're playing best ball or total points or something, his stats are bad news. Nobody should want a guy who puts up rb2 numbers. If you start him every week, you get bad numbers. Most people chase points, which is much worse.
I dunno but I'm sure as hell trying to move him this week in my dynasty leagueHe's a hold at worst. What can you get for him? Anyone you're selling to is going to wonder the same things about him that have been pointed out in this thread. Inconsistent. Not a 3 down back. Etc.
Healthy RB's getting 20 touches per game that are also the clear goal-line option are few and far between. He's currently RB19 in my league.
Which is a mid-tier RB2. He's #19 and was usually drafted around RB24. Although that's following a big game. As of this time last week, he was around #30. Overall, at this point, he's been about as good as where he was drafted. If he looks anything like he looked against Carolina, I think you'll see his usage increase even more. He was easily Tampa Bay's best player. But a few mediocre games and they may work Sims in more to decide what they want to do about signing Martin in the offseason or going with Sims.He's a hold at worst. What can you get for him? Anyone you're selling to is going to wonder the same things about him that have been pointed out in this thread. Inconsistent. Not a 3 down back. Etc.
Healthy RB's getting 20 touches per game that are also the clear goal-line option are few and far between. He's currently RB19 in my league.
Most of the guys you mentioned are temps. Of course Deangelo Williams had great numbers. He was playing the Bell role in an explosive offense. Matt Jones only had one good week and has had 38 and 11 yards since. There's not one guy on your list that I'd rather own than Martin. Not in a redraft. In a keeper league, I'd take several of them over Martin.
There are 24 starting running backs in a 12 team league. Top 12 are RB1s. Unless you have a very short bench and there are a lot of plug and play free agents, the #19 is definitely a RB2.
It is at the end of the season, doug martin has not been playing like a #2 Rb and he more than likely won't be come seasons end. Martin has had exactly one good game just like the guys you mentioned above.
I consider the 98 yard game to be good, as well. Touchdowns are a crap shoot. Look at Jeremy Hill. Another lousy 40 yard game this week. But three touchdowns. Looks like he had an awesome game.
If you started Rawls the two games lynch missed, you got 151 yards from him. If you started Doug Martin every game, you got 341 and a td. Right now that's a slight edge to martin, but that's after a good game from martin, and he's your example of a bad temp player. My point isn't that Rawls specifically is good, or that any one of those guys is better than martin. It's that there are a huge number of options which, over the course of the season, will get you similar points to what martin can get you. I named a dozen guys who have already contributed a little and cost you nothing. And there are a bunch more guys who will be higher in ppg, or higher in "functional ppg" (deangelo has played four games, but you'd only have used him while bell was out). Temp players, guys who started out good then got hurt, guys who didn't get a starting job right away, etc.
So what you're saying is, don't draft a RB in the 4th or 5th round. Instead take the sure things in that part of the draft. Andre Johnson, Davante Adams, Golden Tate, Kelce, Graham etc.
That's the problem. I doubt if even 1% of owners started Rawls when he had his good game. Fred Jackson was supposed to be the backup. But I'll bet quite a few did Monday night. Especially when it was announced that Lynch was out. The result? 4.8 points. I don't care about the stats from that first game. That was the bait. And I'll bet a lot of Martin and Hill owners picked him up and started him. And left a ton of points on their bench. Point chasing these free agents is what buries teams.
